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Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 147	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:13:00 - [31] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: We got into PC when it started. We fought our way in with the help of our alliance. It started with buying a clone pack and attacking and beating another team -- we took the land. We do have minimum requirements for PC. I'm not at liberty to divulge them in their entirety, but a proto suit with a proto weapon (w/prof 4) are one of the minimums. Newbies are treated with a helping hand, generally. We have a large number of guys, including myself, who try to help them along. Cheers. So I suppose there's definitely Opsec stuff like specific fits? I assume that because you can't tell me specific requirement because that reveal weaknesses and such? Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2959	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:20:00 - [32] - Quote We tend not to get too far into how to fit out the suits. Players know better than the leaders do how they best play. If they have questions, we answer them. We tend to assign roles (and often suggest a gun), but try not to micromanage. For instance, last night we had a battle against Subsonic. We played the 5 point bridge map. One of our more experienced players, Corrosion, wanted to harass the other team in the city...alone. We said fine, and it was up to him to run whatever suit he wanted and to fit it out however he saw fit. Corrosion is an experienced player -- and one of our best slayers -- and we're wise enough to just let him do his thing. Other players, perhaps more inexperienced, require more direction...so it depends on the player and the situation. As for our PC requirements...I'm not sure our minimum requirements are all that valuable, but I'm not willing to share them here. If you have an interest in starting a corp or participating in PC, I'd be happy to share them with you 1:1, as appropriate, but not in this thread.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 358	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:25:00 - [33] - Quote Thank lead, all is well. I think that scenerio where the same 16 play out of 500 kinda sums up the frustration with PC as a whole and Has since I posted this Thread about the first open beta PC. The timer system always creates the gym class line up and pick team scenerio with a lot of people watching from the bleachers. Admit it or not this community in large is the MAG community most of the successful players and corps Have roots there. The community came from a scenerio where picking teams meant grabbing all 33 of your players communicating with 5 other clan to grab there 24-32 and have another team awox the enemy. All of this for a fictional pmc and a meter of your side success of each game mode. No real value, the contract didn't mean anything other than pride. The players who came to this game as a community ready to play tactically on large scale battles compromised with the actual player count but we're hoping to instead get the sandbox of new Eden. I don't think that has happened for the majority in this set up, I think that is why most don't participate. *RED LIGHT*
Viktor's Alt Negative-Impact Back and Forth 30	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:28:00 - [34] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: There is nothing that happens in PC that can not take place in a simple sync against someone you want to fight in factional contracts aside from passive isk. If you really were all about the "good games" you would just call out other corps and sync against them as many times as you like. It's easier in PC. You attack there district it requires them to show up and defend no BS, no excuse on why they did not show up for Q sync. More incentive to win. You win you get paid a reasonable amount of ISK, you lose you get some salvage and that is it. No chance of random noobs getting into you sync and making you do it all over again. EVE Orbitals from corp mates Taking property and kicking down sand castles feels great. you win in FW but in PC you actually take property from your enemy something they worked hard to earn. Not always about the mechanics and numbers. A large part of PC is about the Meta and trying to make the CEO of the other side cry. ~ Played 500+ PC Battle/ PC Field Commander/ On Board of directors for PC Coalition. ))<>(( Back and Forth 4EVA
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 154	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:43:00 - [35] - Quote Given what I know now, I'd honestly like to get into some PC stuff. What should I do to prepare? Are there any people in the PC community I should know about? Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
Viktor's Alt Negative-Impact Back and Forth 31	Posted - 2015.01.22 18:58:00 - [36] - Quote I'm just going to going on about meta. Many people seems to think it is all about the numbers, how people can use exploits to there advantage to make ISK. By all rights of ever mechanic. Right now PC could be fully controlled by 5 corporations and they could be farming Billions of ISK a day and no body can really stop them with current situation in PC. This could easily happen just by a few words back and forth between a few CEO's and a agreement. But that is not happen what is instead happen are people are joined together to take out farms and introduce new corps into PC for free. By all right and logic that should not be happening but is because of the meta game. ~ Played 500+ PC Battle/ PC Field Commander/ On Board of directors for PC Coalition. ))<>(( Back and Forth 4EVA
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2965	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:00:00 - [37] - Quote Supacharjed wrote: What should I do to prepare? Depends if you want to do it solo, or as part of a corp. If it's solo, you have to build your rep as a go-to ringer. Not easy....unless you have mad skills. if it's joining an existing corp....send in your application and work your way into the rotation. If it's starting a corp and bringing them to pc....you'll need to either learn the hard way (not advised) or get someone who knows what they're doing to either take you under their wing (i.e. join the same alliance and help) or have them join you in your corp. Then it's up to you to get a district....but the good news is that one of several corps is likely to donate a district to you and even show you the ropes....because just about all of us want more people to play and be included. Supacharjed wrote: Are there any people in the PC community I should know about? Yeah, you'll need to be aware of the leaders of each of the corps and alliances. You'll also want to know who the trolls are (mostly in war room) and how to best engage them (or not) such that you don't get attacked for something you say. Also, there's a series of interviews of corp leaders over in the War Room that Silver did -- so if you're interested in starting your own corp I think you'll find it beneficial to listen to them.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:01:00 - [38] - Quote Message me in game. On your main. I will bring you into a pc. I will give you the time of the battle and the opponent. Our rules are those who want in that pc will be out of match and on comms 30mins become the battle begins. And when asked their roles. ..will type it in chat. Out of the 20 to 30 people on comms wanting to get in. 16 will. We then pick about 5 people on stand by. People dc all the time and being down a player for 3 mins is huge. Being on stand bye is hugely important. It shows loyalty and dedication. When somone drops we yell "somone join" that person now has their chance to prove their worth. Good questions and answers. Even tho I know you already know most of the answers. Best way to explain. ..is jumping in with hands on. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 155	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:01:00 - [39] - Quote Viktor's Alt wrote: I'm just going to going on about meta. Many people seems to think it is all about the numbers, how people can use exploits to there advantage to make ISK. By all rights of ever mechanic. Right now PC could be fully controlled by 5 corporations and they could be farming Billions of ISK a day and no body can really stop them with current situation in PC. This could easily happen just by a few words back and forth between a few CEO's and a agreement. But that is not happen what is instead happen are people are joined together to take out farms and introduce new corps into PC for free. By all right and logic that should not be happening but is because of the meta game. ~ Played 500+ PC Battle/ PC Field Commander/ On Board of directors for PC Coalition. You keep talking your meta. It's all relevant discussion. :D Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 155	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:08:00 - [40] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Message me in game. On your main. I will bring you into a pc. I will give you the time of the battle and the opponent. Our rules are those who want in that pc will be out of match and on comms 30mins become the battle begins. And when asked their roles. ..will type it in chat. Out of the 20 to 30 people on comms wanting to get in. 16 will. We then pick about 5 people on stand by. People dc all the time and being down a player for 3 mins is huge. Being on stand bye is hugely important. It shows loyalty and dedication. When somone drops we yell "somone join" that person now has their chance to prove their worth. Good questions and answers. Even tho I know you already know most of the answers. Best way to explain. ..is jumping in with hands on. I appreciate your offer, but I'm hardly good enough myself to jump in the deep end just yet. How are your comms usually handled though? Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.

Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:11:00 - [41] - Quote Supacharjed wrote: Roman837 wrote: Message me in game. On your main. I will bring you into a pc. I will give you the time of the battle and the opponent. Our rules are those who want in that pc will be out of match and on comms 30mins become the battle begins. And when asked their roles. ..will type it in chat. Out of the 20 to 30 people on comms wanting to get in. 16 will. We then pick about 5 people on stand by. People dc all the time and being down a player for 3 mins is huge. Being on stand bye is hugely important. It shows loyalty and dedication. When somone drops we yell "somone join" that person now has their chance to prove their worth. Good questions and answers. Even tho I know you already know most of the answers. Best way to explain. ..is jumping in with hands on. I appreciate your offer, but I'm hardly good enough myself to jump in the deep end just yet. How are your comms usually handled though? You just answered like most new blue Berrys always answer. Not good enough on your own to jump in. Which is why you join a corp that is. Ans we bring 15 vets and you. Put you on an easy objective. Build you up. You get to learn your team mates and voices. ..and eventually...we say yo new guy...go to Charlie and prepare for combat. Do that 10 times and you get better and better.. eventually your a vet. Your kdr goes way down and you lose a lot of isk. But...takes money to make money. What do you mean how are my comms handled? Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2965	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:13:00 - [42] - Quote Most PC teams have private PC chats where they do their communication. MuLa (Roman's corp) and ML both have them, as does virtually every corp.
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:13:00 - [43] - Quote Best example of building you up. We found Xdestruction in our STB training corp. We gave him a shot because he always showed up wanting to fight. First few games we held him back and put him on easy points. 2 weeks later he was our corps number one slayer. He just needed the support of fellow players and the leadership and directions of a good fc. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4406	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:23:00 - [44] - Quote I started pc with 9m sp and that was during EoN's collapse. All the comms I've ever been on are loud and abnoxious.. You really don't need all that sp, it helps but you can still do fine without it. DC/lag is all common in pc. Heavy/scout spam for the last year. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 157	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:30:00 - [45] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Best example of building you up. We found Xdestruction in our STB training corp. We gave him a shot because he always showed up wanting to fight. First few games we held him back and put him on easy points. 2 weeks later he was our corps number one slayer. He just needed the support of fellow players and the leadership and directions of a good fc. I suppose I may take you up on your offer at some point in the future. I just need to get a solid foundation first. Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 157	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:32:00 - [46] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: How are your comms usually handled though? Most PC teams have private PC chats where they do their communication. MuLa (Roman's corp) and ML both have them, as does virtually every corp. Our PC players (and our ringers) keep that chat active so they know what's going on -- we use that channel for messages like "we have 3 PCs tonight starting at 9pm, please be here at 8:30 to start squadding" or "mic up for PC now!". When match time comes around, all our players are miced up in that private chat, and that's how we communicate. It takes some serious comms discipline to make that work -- and 16 voices are a lot to process. Which also explains, in part, why FCing is difficult. This is all handled in-game, yeah? Also, you said you'd share your corp skill requirements 1:1, I don't suppose you could message them to me in game? Your continued participation in this discussion is greatly appreciated. :D Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
Aramis Madrigal Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 337	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:45:00 - [47] - Quote Supacharjed wrote: Roman837 wrote: Best example of building you up. We found Xdestruction in our STB training corp. We gave him a shot because he always showed up wanting to fight. First few games we held him back and put him on easy points. 2 weeks later he was our corps number one slayer. He just needed the support of fellow players and the leadership and directions of a good fc. I suppose I may take you up on your offer at some point in the future. I just need to get a solid foundation first. I think you mentioned you were a commando, yes? If you happen to have the minmatar, it will likely be easier to get you into PC. If you have enough gun game to keep yourself (mostly) alive, a min commando with swarms is great for ADS area denial. Regarding Xdestruction, he's a bit of an outlier (exceptional gun game). Your early PC experiences may be a bit more rocky :). -Aramis
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 157	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:59:00 - [48] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: Supacharjed wrote: Roman837 wrote: Best example of building you up. We found Xdestruction in our STB training corp. We gave him a shot because he always showed up wanting to fight. First few games we held him back and put him on easy points. 2 weeks later he was our corps number one slayer. He just needed the support of fellow players and the leadership and directions of a good fc. I suppose I may take you up on your offer at some point in the future. I just need to get a solid foundation first. I think you mentioned you were a commando, yes? If you happen to have the minmatar, it will likely be easier to get you into PC. If you have enough gun game to keep yourself (mostly) alive, a min commando with swarms is great for ADS area denial. Regarding Xdestruction, he's a bit of an outlier (exceptional gun game). Your early PC experiences may be a bit more rocky :). -Aramis I most assuredly have Proto Minmatar Commando. Proto Swarms are a separate matter though. My gun game is about average, better at longer ranges. Hell, the K/D can't get worse. :P Commando CK.0 Proto Combat Rifle Commando MK.0 Proto Rail Rifle
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2967	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:02:00 - [49] - Quote Supacharjed wrote: This is all handled in-game, yeah? Also, you said you'd share your corp skill requirements 1:1, I don't suppose you could message them to me in game? Yes and OK.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. 1166	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:03:00 - [50] - Quote The post says teach me about PC. But what you seem to really want is strategies. A smart strategist does not share such information. As a strategist, I will not share my strategies but I will teach you something about PC There are two major roles in PC and many minor roles. The two major roles are general/admiral and Field Commander. The two are completely separate and mastering one does not make you a master of the other though many have mastered both PC isn't about how to field a team and how to deploy them. That is field commander strategist. What makes PC special as the ability to maintain districts, more importantly clones, and prepare attacks/defenses. I call this general/admiral role. General because you are controlling clone troops and admiral because technically you are using a fleet of warbages/MCCs and placing them in strategic points. While there is no visual representation of this in gm, this is a visual representation of what you are doing. The general/admiral must take into account district timers, infrastructures (cargo hubs, production facilities, etc), clone numbers, clone reinforcement numbers/timers, timer locks, timer defense, timer attacks, stacked timers, re-attacks (also known as re-ups, district location (system, region, etc), transportation costs, transportation penalties, district maps (how many objectives, sockets, bridge or no bridge, etc), clone packs, and large amounts of ISKies, No other game mode provides this mechanic and is what I feel the funnest part of the game. The next major role is field commander. This guy is in charge of the battles themselves. They designate squad leaders, roles (logi, scout, fatties, vehicles, etc). With the information provided by the general/admiral (map # of objective, sockets, bridge or not) they come up with various strategies that will be used to come out victorious in battle. There is more to just requesting roles based on just SP sink, you want disciplined players capable of communicating effectively in battle, that follow orders, dont care about KDR, and do not complain. Proto suits do not win battles, communication does. A good field commander will not just plan one strategy. They will plan various strategies and adapt to what the enemy throws at you. You must keep your cool at all times. There are various types of commanders. Compare me to my CEO Eugene Killmore. Everyone who has fought under both of us will tell you that our ways of commanding are complete opposites, yet we are both effective. By ringing I also got to experience how others command like Derrick, Rampage, Roman, Kardia, Kujo, cubs, and many others that I've had the privilege of fighting for. You get to see there strengths and their weaknesses and adapt them into your style. Unlike a General/Admiral, the only way to become better as a Field Commander is by experience. Everyone has argued who is the best FC. But in my opinion, a good FC is one who can get 16 players who have nevered played with each other and bring them together to win a match against a well organized 16 players from a corp. My favorite match was when our corp was multi stacked and I didnt have anyone from my corp/alliance available because they were in the other battles. I got 15 guys from local (I highly recommend you dont do this) and none PC channels and still won despite everyone expecting us to lose. As to the minor roles.... thats getting into specifics and have various paths you can take. There are so many ways you can squad lead, logi, hack, AV, use vehicles... but you should learn this through public contracts/FW. You shouldnt be learning this in PC. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is

pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:12:00 - [51] - Quote Thanks for the informative thread. Are there known corps who take New er players to PC? AS a test drive oft sorts?
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 359	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:17:00 - [52] - Quote Great thread guys, learned a lot. Conduct on the battlefield is the ultimate measure of a man
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 157	Posted - 2015.01.22 20:19:00 - [53] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: Insert all the good stuff he said here. I really appreciate you putting so much effort into this post. It's nice to know the importance of good Command. Commando CK.0 Proto Combat Rifle Commando MK.0 Proto Rail Rifle
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:40:00 - [54] - Quote pumping up wrote: Thanks for the informative thread. Are there known corps who take New er players to PC? AS a test drive oft sorts? We at ML pride ourselves in including as many of our players in PC as possible. In addition, a lot of PC players have either started in or moved through ML on their way to more competitive/PC-focused corps. More to the point, we have PC battles almost every day, and at few of them every week are training battles with the intent on increasing the number of players who get to PC. You (and anyone else reading this) are free to apply. All we ask is that you have a mic and, if you aspire to PC, meet the PC prerequisites -- and not be an ass. There's also Dust University and Immortal Guides who are more focused on player education than we are, but they don't do PC's (to my knowledge). These two groups are a great place to start if you're new to the game and not ready for (or not interested in) PC.
Bri Bub Eternal Beings General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2015.01.22 21:44:00 - [55] - Quote Go to http://www.isktheguide.com/ and read Vol 3 which contains a section on Planetary Conquest toward the end... Someone linked this recently, I can't recall who but, well, here you are... It doesn't instill the full understanding that you can only achieve via participation in PC but it's a good primer that seems to pretty well reflect the current state of PC... Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2971	Posted - 2015.01.22 22:38:00 - [56] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Supacharjed wrote: This is all handled in-game, yeah? Also, you said you'd share your corp skill requirements 1:1, I don't suppose you could message them to me in game? Yes and OK. Sent.
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 163	Posted - 2015.01.23 04:03:00 - [57] - Quote Nice to see you nerds continued the discussion whilst I was away. q.q Commando CK.0 Proto Combat Rifle Commando MK.0 Proto Rail Rifle
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 97	Posted - 2015.01.23 06:08:00 - [58] - Quote Bri Bub wrote: Go to http://www.isktheguide.com/ Download is broken for me. Tried getting it a fee days ago ;(
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 164	Posted - 2015.01.23 06:15:00 - [59] - Quote pumping up wrote: Bri Bub wrote: Go to http://www.isktheguide.com/ Download is broken for me. Tried getting it a fee days ago ;( Get rid of the slash. www.isktheguide.com Commando CK.0 Proto Combat Rifle Commando MK.0 Proto Rail Rifle
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 97	Posted - 2015.01.23 06:26:00 - [60] - Quote Supacharjed wrote: pumping up wrote: Bri Bub wrote: Go to http://www.isktheguide.com/ Download is broken for me. Tried getting it a fee days ago ;( Get rid of the slash. www.isktheguide.com The actual guide download is broken.



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