lol See this is the problem that frustrates everybody.

If you really think PC is as easy as buying a clone pack and "protostomping" then please try it for yourself.

Nobody realizes the time and dedication it takes to be in PC until you've walked a mile in that guys shoes.

That is a bit of PC, but not nearly all of it....

First off, you don't have to buy clone packs. If you own districts, you can xfer clones from the to the district you intend on attacking -- essentially a "free" attack.

Secondly, locking of districts is generally looked down upon and doesn't happen much any more.

Third, the suits used in PCs are much more varied than just scouts and heavies. Heavies are still a mainstay in the city sockets, but we're seeing many more assaults and commandos on the field.

Fourth, the real fun in PC, at least for me, is in the opening move strategies and how your team reacts to what's going on in the field....which is something that doesn't lend itself to a forum post...but is incredibly important in terms of how the battle unfolds. Because it's much more than simply player gun game that wins PCs...it's how your team plays like a team that generally makes the difference between a win and a loss.

If you have any specific questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them. But to me, there is no more satisfying thing than for your 16 guys to go up against another 16 guys with the best team winning, at the highest level of skill/competition that Dust offers.

You're welcome. :)


Your questions & my responses:

What are some of the early battle thought processes?
How many squads will you start with? Who will lead those squads? What type of players do you want in each squad? What suits? What will their initial strategy be? What is your 2nd move? If they do X, how will we respond? How do you expect the battle to unfold? Are we working in enough new players and veterans to both be successful in this battle and going forward with everyone feeling involved and part of the team?

Are there calls for specific suits at certain times?
Absolutely. For instance, we generally have assigned heavies/logis and forge guns/commandos and vehicle pilots. Outside that, I find that giving your better, more experienced players the opportunity run "whateve suit the situation calls for" to be the most productive.

Where does my Commando suit fit in all of this?
The commando is a great overwatch suit. Sitting someplace high, typically with AV in one hand and some type of suppression gun in the other. The role plays two roles -- making sure vehicles don't become a problem and kill anyone who tries to hack their assigned point. We have someone in this role in virtually ever match these days, although a skilled forge gunner can fulfill this role as well.

Is there a thought pattern that goes into choosing a district to attack?
Yes. Is it close enough to your districts that you won't lose an inordinate number of clones in the transfer? How do you stack up against the team you're facing? What are your relations with the other corp? Will your attack start a larger war (i.e. kick the hornet's nest)? Will you need ringers to beat them? Should you even use ringers this battle, or should you give your corp to stand on its own? What will the effect on morale be if you make the wrong decision?

that's the thing.... we shouldnt have to teach you. PC is a game mode that needs to be set up where people can learn on their own....

The fact that you are asking means that such help is unavailable.

If you want to learn PC, open your NEOCOM thingy > HELP > INSTRUCTIONS > STARMAP-Corporations (something like that, cant remember exactly)

Read that. that will explain everything you need to know about PC. Stop being lazy and read. Learn it on your own.

Sometimes GD gets very entertaining

Thanks for this actually useful input.

What are some of the early battle thought processes?

Squads are generally formed around 20 minutes before war barge where the required roles and people are picked up. once squads are formed deployment, strategy and tactics are discussed.

Are there calls for specific suits at certain times?
On city map cargo hub it's generally Scouts and Heavies with a few assaults on the side
On bridge maps cargo hub it is generally a lot of assaults, scouts, vehicles and AV support
On production facility it is generally also lots of faster and mobile suits as it requires a lot of moving around.

Where does my Commando suit fit in all of this?
Roof tops. 1-2 Commando for cargo hub maps, 2-3 for production facilities.

Is there a thought pattern that goes into choosing a district to attack?
What ever guy last told you to f*ck off on the forums.

We got into PC when it started. We fought our way in with the help of our alliance. It started with buying a clone pack and attacking and beating another team -- we took the land.

We do have minimum requirements for PC. I'm not at liberty to divulge them in their entirety, but a proto suit with a proto weapon (w/prof 4) are one of the minimums.

Newbies are treated with a helping hand, generally. We have a large number of guys, including myself, who try to help them along.

I'm just going to going on about meta.


Many people seems to think it is all about the numbers, how people can use exploits to there advantage to make ISK.

By all rights of ever mechanic. Right now PC could be fully controlled by 5 corporations and they could be farming Billions of ISK a day and no body can really stop them with current situation in PC. This could easily happen just by a few words back and forth between a few CEO's and a agreement.

But that is not happen what is instead happen are people are joined together to take out farms and introduce new corps into PC for free. By all right and logic that should not be happening but is because of the meta game.


~ Played 500+ PC Battle/ PC Field Commander/ On Board of directors for PC Coalition.

Message me in game. On your main. I will bring you into a pc. I will give you the time of the battle and the opponent. Our rules are those who want in that pc will be out of match and on comms 30mins become the battle begins. And when asked their roles. ..will type it in chat. Out of the 20 to 30 people on comms wanting to get in. 16 will. We then pick about 5 people on stand by. People dc all the time and being down a player for 3 mins is huge. Being on stand bye is hugely important. It shows loyalty and dedication. When somone drops we yell "somone join" that person now has their chance to prove their worth.

Good questions and answers. Even tho I know you already know most of the answers. Best way to explain. ..is jumping in with hands on.

Best example of building you up. We found Xdestruction in our STB training corp. We gave him a shot because he always showed up wanting to fight. First few games we held him back and put him on easy points. 2 weeks later he was our corps number one slayer. He just needed the support of fellow players and the leadership and directions of a good fc.

How are your comms usually handled though?

Most PC teams have private PC chats where they do their communication. MuLa (Roman's corp) and ML both have them, as does virtually every corp. Our PC players (and our ringers) keep that chat active so they know what's going on -- we use that channel for messages like "we have 3 PCs tonight starting at 9pm, please be here at 8:30 to start squadding" or "mic up for PC now!".

When match time comes around, all our players are miced up in that private chat, and that's how we communicate. It takes some serious comms discipline to make that work -- and 16 voices are a lot to process. Which also explains, in part, why FCing is difficult.

I think you mentioned you were a commando, yes? If you happen to have the minmatar, it will likely be easier to get you into PC. If you have enough gun game to keep yourself (mostly) alive, a min commando with swarms is great for ADS area denial. Regarding Xdestruction, he's a bit of an outlier (exceptional gun game). Your early PC experiences may be a bit more rocky :).

-Aramis

Insert all the good stuff he said here.

Download is broken for me. Tried getting it a fee days ago ;(

After reading I see that one very, very important part of the meta not being mentioned.

Never, ever, ever, ever undervalue tears. They are more precious than ISK, districts and even respect.

If you can keep your tear bucket full (I use to prefer Romans and ML) but any will do these days. lol

As a Dust vet and PC player I can tell you that there is nothing more fun in this game than getting a single tear from your enemy. i'll trade 25-1 with 4k WP for one tear any day :)

All BS aside, being in PC should be your end goal. Like a Little League player. He wants to make MLB not his local softball team.

Lead and Roman are respected in the PC community and will steer you in the right direction. Stay away from guys like myself, Sota Pop and several more. We are bitter vets who are bored/frustrated with the game and have nothing better to do.

Hell, I quit playing in 1.7 to only come back a couple of weeks ago. First night back Roman throws me in a PC against scrubb @ss KEQ(my old corp). I went 1-6 but was #1 in WP lol Good stuff.

Good thread though and I like to see Vets wanting to move up to the end game,

Good luck and remember this; Ancient Exiles. are the only undefeated Corp to ever play PC lol