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Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1252	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:05:00 - [1] - Quote The problem with that weapon is that it is too effective for the skill it needs. I mean personal skill, I dont mean SP investment. I could give the DS3 to a 3 yeas old idiot and he could be a great swarmer, you only need to have one working hand. While being way too easy to be used it is very rewarding, even the militia Swarm launcher can make a Python run away in fear. I'm not talking about the greatest pylots of the game obviously, I'm sure snugglz or derrith or the other great pylots don't have all these problems but a normal pylot gets his ass destroyed by every idiot embracing a militia swarm launcher. The problem is the personal skill required. At the same level of skill the swarmer will destroy the poor pylot without any effort. Being so easy the swarm launcher should be way less efficient. I dont have problems with FG or rail tanks or plasma cannons, they require a little bit of skill to be used so there is a fair fight between the pylot and the other guy. The swarmer only need to be able to press R1. Is it just me sucking? One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
4lbert Wesker WESKER S.T.A.R.S 29	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:07:00 - [2] - Quote You suck. I punched camel once,and it meowed at me
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1494	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:08:00 - [3] - Quote Uhh oh, you asked for it. The whole community is gonna come here and throw sh*t in your face. You can't just come her and ask to nerf I win buttons for infantry man!! They'll nerf your vehicles!! Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Tectonic Fusion 2299	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:10:00 - [4] - Quote The only skill you need to be a good swarmer is good timing and quick nanohive deploying so yeah... (GIF)
Cheydinhal Guard Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 450	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:10:00 - [5] - Quote The swarmer also needs proper positioning, and he also has to worry about getting ganked by infantry, all while trying not to get killed by the pilot. What does the pilot have to do? Turn a corner. Not that I'm complaining, but swarms aren't the skill-less god-mode AV weapon that some people make them out to be. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1252	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: The swarmer also needs proper positioning, and he also has to worry about getting ganked by infantry, all while trying not to get killed by the pilot. What does the pilot have to do? Turn a corner. Not that I'm complaining, but swarms aren't the skill-less god-mode AV weapon that some people make them out to be. I dont know if you are trolling or being serious anyway. 1 proper position: do you mean being able to stand still? Cause that's the proper position you need. 2 has to worry about getting ganked: you just need the incredible skill to stay near your friends. 3 while trying not to get killed by the pilot: land an hit on that pilot and he'll make a damn barrel roll, good luck to him on his try to aim you. What does the swarmer have to do? Press R1, stay near friends. What does the pilot have to do? Fly the damn dropship, find the swarmer between all the players, aim at you while flying, try to not crash into every wall or into the ground because of your missiles, maybe activate a couple of modules. Seems fine. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1427	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:19:00 - [7] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: The swarmer also needs proper positioning, and he also has to worry about getting ganked by infantry, all while trying not to get killed by the pilot. What does the pilot have to do? Turn a corner. Not that I'm complaining, but swarms aren't the skill-less god-mode AV weapon that some people make them out to be. -_- Pleez... Vehicle: -Watch out for red installations -Hear a swarm (or just get hit by the silent invisible ones)- get to good cover (can't effectively fight back) -Shield booster, hardener, afterburner, nitro injector activation -Vehicles also need proper positioning (ie. cover) Swarmer: -Proper positioning -Getting ganked by infantry (so does all other infantry) -Timing of swarms I don't get it. A swarmer complains that they get killed by infantry, even though willingly doing it just to kill a tank that really can only kill idiots standing still or people that don't have cover (which can still be killed faster with a light weapon). Why is the hate for tanks so god damn high? Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:20:00 - [8] - Quote The play for vehicles nowadays is call in, do as much damage as you can before AV shows up (which can vary depending on the competence of the enemy team), run back to the redline, and depending on how rich you're feeling, either recall your vehicle or continue the rest of the match on a hit-and-run strategy. Redundant usernames FTW Go home Damage Indicator, you're drunk Good, good... let the nanites flow through you
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 605	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:20:00 - [9] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: The problem with that weapon is that it is too effective for the skill it needs. I mean personal skill, I dont mean SP investment. I could give the DS3 to a 3 yeas old idiot and he could be a great swarmer, you only need to have one working hand. While being way too easy to be used it is very rewarding, even the militia Swarm launcher can make a Python run away in fear. I'm not talking about the greatest pylots of the game obviously, I'm sure snugglz or derrith or the other great pylots don't have all these problems but a normal pylot gets his ass destroyed by every idiot embracing a militia swarm launcher. The problem is the personal skill required. At the same level of skill the swarmer will destroy the poor pylot without any effort. Being so easy the swarm launcher should be way less efficient. I dont have problems with FG or rail tanks or plasma cannons, they require a little bit of skill to be used so there is a fair fight between the pylot and the other guy. The swarmer only need to be able to press R1. Is it just me sucking? Would you prefer it to have a combo and a finisher to boot? If its not anime, its not real
DRAKEST HOUR Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:26:00 - [10] - Quote Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you.

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14979	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:26:00 - [11] - Quote I will say that I find it amusing how people complain about SLs not having to aim yet only 3 weapons in which actually require you to aim. I won't even bother writing essays at this point, but I will ask you one thing: If you were to find a 3 year old child and gave him even an Officer SL, do you honestly believe s/he could destroy my tank? If so, how much ISK are you willing to bet? 100mil? 250mil? 350mil? 500mil? 1bil? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1427	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:27:00 - [12] - Quote DRAKEST HOUR wrote: Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you. Obligatory try it for yourself post Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1427	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:28:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: I will say that I find it amusing how people complain about SLs not having to aim yet only 3 weapons in which actually require you to aim. I won't even bother writing essays at this point, but I will ask you one thing: If you were to find a 3 year old child and gave him even an Officer SL, do you honestly believe s/he could destroy my tank? If so, how much ISK are you willing to bet? 100mil? 250mil? 350mil? 500mil? 1bil? Have you ever heard of a hyperbole? Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14981	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:30:00 - [14] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Have you ever heard of a hyperbole? No, I have never heard of a hyberbole before. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1427	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:31:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: LUGMOS wrote: Have you ever heard of a hyperbole? No, I have never heard of a hyberbole before. Y u make tings so hard Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1256	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:31:00 - [16] - Quote DRAKEST HOUR wrote: Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you. Is this the kind of answers we are getting from swarmers? these prove my point that even a brainless **** can properly use a swarm. Atiim wrote:** I will say that I find it amusing how people complain about SLs not having to aim yet only 3 weapons in which actually require you to aim. I won't even bother writing essays at this point, but I must ask one thing: If you were to find a 3 year old child and gave him even an Officer SL, do you honestly believe s/he could destroy my tank? If so, how much ISK are you willing to bet? 100mil? 250mil? 350mil? 500mil? 1bil? I was mostly speaking about dropships, not tanks. If you want to explain your points I'll gladly listen to you. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Cheydinhal Guard Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 451	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:32:00 - [17] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: The swarmer also needs proper positioning, and he also has to worry about getting ganked by infantry, all while trying not to get killed by the pilot. What does the pilot have to do? Turn a corner. Not that I'm complaining, but swarms aren't the skill-less god-mode AV weapon that some people make them out to be. -_- Pleez... Vehicle: -Watch out for red installations -Hear a swarm (or just get hit by the silent invisible ones)- get to good cover (can't effectively fight back) -Shield booster, hardener, afterburner, nitro injector activation -Vehicles also need proper positioning (ie. cover) Swarmer: -Proper positioning -Getting ganked by infantry (so does all other infantry) -Timing of swarms I don't get it. A swarmer complains that they get killed by infantry, even though willingly doing it just to kill a tank that really can only kill idiots standing still or people that don't have cover (which can still be killed faster with a light weapon). Why is the hate for tanks so god damn high? If I don't pull out AV, 90% of the time nobody else will. My options are to either pull out AV and run the risk of getting killed by infantry, or stay in my current suit and get killed by the vehicle(s). Lol. Don't give me any of that "tanks can only kill idiots" bull. Have you ever gone up against a decent Madrugar, or even worse, a Gunnlogi? How about multiple types of vehicles? Swarms aren't nearly as effective as other types of AV when you're between a fustercluck of vehicles and infantry. Edit: Installations? Seriously? Rocks are more effective, and they can't be destroyed. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
DRAKEST HOUR Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:38:00 - [18] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: DRAKEST HOUR wrote: Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you. Obligatory try it for yourself post I fly an ADS....no complaints. Maybe OP is a bad pilot.
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2124	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:40:00 - [19] - Quote If the complaint is that Swarms are only too effective when you compare them to Plasma Cannons, I think the right course of action would be to buff Plasma Cannons, rather than nerf Swarms. Why can't a Plasma Cannon deal upwards of 2000 Damage per shot? If an HAV is oblivious enough to let themselves get hit three times by a Plasma Cannon, they should die, IMO. Home at Last <3
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1428	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:41:00 - [20] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: If I don't pull out AV, 90% of the time nobody else will. My options are to either pull out AV and run the risk of getting killed by infantry, or stay in my current suit and get killed by the vehicle(s). Lol. Don't give me any of that "tanks can only kill idiots" bull. Have you ever gone up against a decent Madrugar, or even worse, a Gunnlogi? How about multiple types of vehicles? Swarms aren't nearly as effective as other types of AV when you're between a fustercluck of vehicles and infantry. If you say you're good at positioning, then how are you getting killed by tanks? Have you tried getting on a elevated surface? Because hills are pretty good cover. So are roofs believe it or not, at least from tanks. And if you are getting killed by multiple vehicles, well you should be. Its like saying "i can't solo three or four guys easily with an AR," because, well, you weren't intended to. I only called people standing still idiots, because it's probably true. And, as I said, people out in the open should get wrecked by a tank, swarmer or not. Also, i'm glad to know that you know that you are sacrificing anti-infantry for AV, which is how it should be. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

Cheydinhal Guard Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:42:00 - [21] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: The swarmer also needs proper positioning, and he also has to worry about getting ganked by infantry, all while trying not to get killed by the pilot. What does the pilot have to do? Turn a corner. Not that I'm complaining, but swarms aren't the skill-less god-mode AV weapon that some people make them out to be. I dont know if you are trolling or being serious anyway. 1 proper position: do you mean being able to stand still? Cause that's the proper position you need. 2 has to worry about getting ganked: you just need the incredible skill to stay near your friends. 3 while trying not to get killed by the pilot: land an hit on that pilot and he'll make a damn barrel roll, good luck to him on his try to aim you. What does the swarmer have to do? Press R1, stay near friends. What does the pilot have to do? Fly the damn dropship, find the swarmer between all the players, aim at you while flying, try to not crash into every wall or into the ground because of your missiles, maybe activate a couple of modules. Seems fine. Stand still.... Nice. Stand still while I'm taking possible fire from an ADS or an HAV. Do you even use swarms? The fact that you think MLT swarms are some type of super-weapon is leading me to believe otherwise. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
DRAKEST HOUR Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:43:00 - [22] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: DRAKEST HOUR wrote: Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you. Is this the kind of answers we are getting from swarmers? these prove my point that even a brainless **** can properly use a swarm. Atiim wrote:** I will say that I find it amusing how people complain about SLs not having to aim yet only 3 weapons in which actually require you to aim. I won't even bother writing essays at this point, but I must ask one thing: If you were to find a 3 year old child and gave him even an Officer SL, do you honestly believe s/he could destroy my tank? If so, how much ISK are you willing to bet? 100mil? 250mil? 350mil? 500mil? 1bil? I was mostly speaking about dropships, not tanks. If you want to explain your points I'll gladly listen to you. As I wrote above, I believe you are just a bad pilot.
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1428	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:45:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: If the complaint is that Swarms are only too effective when you compare them to Plasma Cannons, I think the right course of action would be to buff Plasma Cannons, rather than nerf Swarms. Why can't a Plasma Cannon deal upwards of 2000 Damage per shot? If an HAV is oblivious enough to let themselves get hit three times by a Plasma Cannon, they should die, IMO. No, I believe the complaint is that swarms are rediculously effective for the relative skill required to use them. The PLC needs no buff, as the nature of it requires you to be in close range, in which case if one is using it properly, one would likely carry AV nades and possibly REs or proxys. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Cheydinhal Guard Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:54:00 - [24] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: If I don't pull out AV, 90% of the time nobody else will. My options are to either pull out AV and run the risk of getting killed by infantry, or stay in my current suit and get killed by the vehicle(s). Lol. Don't give me any of that "tanks can only kill idiots" bull. Have you ever gone up against a decent Madrugar, or even worse, a Gunnlogi? How about multiple types of vehicles? Swarms aren't nearly as effective as other types of AV when you're between a fustercluck of vehicles and infantry. If you say you're good at positioning, then how are you getting killed by tanks? Have you tried getting on a elevated surface? Because hills are pretty good cover. So are roofs believe it or not, at least from tanks. And if you are getting killed by multiple vehicles, well you should be. Its like saying "i can't solo three or four guys easily with an AR," because, well, you weren't intended to. I only called people standing still idiots, because it's probably true. And, as I said, people out in the open should get wrecked by a tank, swarmer or not. Also, i'm glad to know that you know that you are sacrificing anti-infantry for AV, which is how it should be. It's kind of hard to find a hill or an elevated position in a city, which is where most vehicles will be found. Camping one area with swarms is a terrible tactic. All it takes is for the vehicle to get out of my 175m of range, which is relatively easy btw, and I become useless while Mr. L33t pilot can proceed with his slaughter. Movement is key in a V vs AV battle. As I've stated before, If you aren't out in an open field, swarms are easy to avoid. Turn a corner and watch as the missles smash into a building. Also, I rarely get killed by tanks. 1.7 made me an expert tank dodger Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 310	Posted - 2015.01.10 19:57:00 - [25] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: The problem with that weapon is that it is too effective for the skill it needs. I mean personal skill, I dont mean SP investment. I could give the DS3 to a 3 yeas old idiot and he could be a great swarmer, you only need to have one working hand. While being way too easy to be used it is very rewarding, even the militia Swarm launcher can make a Python run away in fear. I'm not talking about the greatest pylots of the game obviously, I'm sure snugglz or derrith or the other great pylots don't have all these problems but a normal pylot gets his ass destroyed by every idiot embracing a militia swarm launcher. The problem is the personal skill required. At the same level of skill the swarmer will destroy the poor pylot without any effort. Being so easy the swarm launcher should be way less efficient. I dont have problems with FG or rail tanks or plasma cannons, they require a little bit of skill to be used so there is a fair fight between the pylot and the other guy. The swarmer only need to be able to press R1. Is it just me sucking? WEelcome to vehicle world The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1429	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:01:00 - [26] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: It's kind of hard to find a hill or an elevated position in a city, which is where most vehicles will be found. Camping one area with swarms is a terrible tactic. All it takes is for the vehicle to get out of my 175m of range, which is relatively easy btw, and I become useless while Mr. L33t pilot can proceed with his slaughter. Movement is key in a V vs AV battle. As I've stated before, If you aren't out in an open field, swarms are easy to avoid. Turn a corner and watch as the missles smash into a building. Also, I rarely get killed by tanks. 1.7 made me an expert tank dodger In those cases, then, swarms should not be used. AV at that point should then switch over to PLCs, giving them decent Anti-infantry capability wile retaining AV capability. But heck, who am I to say that AV needs to switch fits to best reflect the situation at hand, or dare say that AV must use a weapon that uses skill. Also, how much of a slaughter does Mr. 1337 actually do? 10-1, ending the match with 500-600 WP? Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 849	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:07:00 - [27] - Quote DRAKEST HOUR wrote: Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you. Have you tried it? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
DRAKEST HOUR Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:20:00 - [28] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: DRAKEST HOUR wrote: Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you. Have you tried it? As I posted above, yes I fly an ADS and have no complaints and I also use swarms sometimes and also have no complaints. I think some people just think they should be able to do whatever they want and not die. Then when they die....of course it has nothing to do with any possible errors on their part, assume that whatever killed them is over powered. This is very common on these forums. QQ
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1256	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:20:00 - [29] - Quote I have never said I'm a great pilot, I'm an infantry man, but: 1 I'm sure I am more skilled in pyloting than 90% of the swarmers that take me down are at AVing 2 Swarms are way too effective for the relative skill required to use them. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1429	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:22:00 - [30] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: I have never said I'm a great pilot, I'm an infantry man, but: 1 I'm sure I am more skilled in pyloting than 90% of the swarmers that take me down are at AVing 2 Swarms are way too effective for the relative skill required to use them. Yay Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V



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