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Pagl1u M
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Posted - 2015.01.10 19:05:00 -
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The problem with that weapon is that it is too effective for the skill it needs. I mean personal skill, I dont mean SP investment.
I could give the DS3 to a 3 yeas old idiot and he could be a great swarmer, you only need to have one working hand.
While being way too easy to be used it is very rewarding, even the militia Swarm launcher can make a Python run away in fear. I'm not talking about the greatest pylots of the game obviously, I'm sure snugglz or derrith or the other great pylots don't have all these problems but a normal pylot gets his ass destroyed by every idiot embracing a militia swarm launcher.
The problem is the personal skill required. At the same level of skill the swarmer will destroy the poor pylot without any effort. Being so easy the swarm launcher should be way less efficient.
I dont have problems with FG or rail tanks or plasma cannons, they require a little bit of skill to be used so there is a fair fight between the pylot and the other guy. The swarmer only need to be able to press R1.
Is it just me sucking?
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.10 19:19:00 -
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Cheydinhal Guard wrote:The swarmer also needs proper positioning, and he also has to worry about getting ganked by infantry, all while trying not to get killed by the pilot.
What does the pilot have to do?
Turn a corner.
Not that I'm complaining, but swarms aren't the skill-less god-mode AV weapon that some people make them out to be.
I dont know if you are trolling or being serious anyway.
1 proper position: do you mean being able to stand still? Cause that's the proper position you need.
2 has to worry about getting ganked: you just need the incredible skill to stay near your friends.
3 while trying not to get killed by the pilot: land an hit on that pilot and he'll make a damn barrel roll, good luck to him on his try to aim you.
What does the swarmer have to do?
Press R1, stay near friends.
What does the pilot have to do?
Fly the damn dropship, find the swarmer between all the players, aim at you while flying, try to not crash into every wall or into the ground because of your missiles, maybe activate a couple of modules. Seems fine.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.10 19:31:00 -
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DRAKEST HOUR wrote:Ya, because it takes so much skill to fly a dropship around all match and missile snipe infantry. It's a video game....play something else if you don't like it. Or just QQ on a forum.....if that is more fun for you.
Is this the kind of answers we are getting from swarmers? these prove my point that even a brainless ****** can properly use a swarm.
Atiim wrote:I will say that I find it amusing how people complain about SLs not having to aim yet only 3 weapons in which actually require you to aim. I won't even bother writing essays at this point, but I must ask one thing:
If you were to find a 3 year old child and gave him even an Officer SL, do you honestly believe s/he could destroy my tank? If so, how much ISK are you willing to bet?
100mil? 250mil? 350mil? 500mil? 1bil?
I was mostly speaking about dropships, not tanks. If you want to explain your points I'll gladly listen to you.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.10 20:20:00 -
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I have never said I'm a great pilot, I'm an infantry man, but:
1 I'm sure I am more skilled in pyloting than 90% of the swarmers that take me down are at AVing
2 Swarms are way too effective for the relative skill required to use them.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.10 20:28:00 -
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DRAKEST HOUR wrote:also there is no Y in pilot.
Holy **** man can you post 1 thing that is related to the thread? You are here to say 1 you suck 2 I m a pro pilot 3 I disagree but cant prove my points 4 english is not your first language so you are wrong.
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pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.10 20:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
1. Locate Hostile Vehicle
2. Calculate Probability of Winning.[/b]
That's no different than the Forge Gun, Plasma Cannon, or heck even JLAVs. Now when it comes to an engagements against Pilots you need to do the following:
4. Find Cover
5. Evade Pilot's Fire
6. Assess all possible escape routes
7. Predict where the Pilot will go (ie, around a corner).
1 yes, It is not so hard to locate a dropship flying in the sky, for sure it is harder to locate who has a SL while you are flying.
2 I'm sure 99% of the players with a SL dont calculate a ****, they just press R1 and see the weapon doing their job.
3 not found 
4 5 6 if you are the first to hit (and with a SL you are likely to hit first) you are creating Big troubles in the ability of the pilot to aim.
7 is that so hard?
What I want to say is: I'm not talking about competitive levels but, between two average players the swarmer is likely to win because is weapon requires way less skill than using and shooting with an ADS.
When you have to be above average to fight your counterpart that is average or worse, things are not balanced
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.10 23:37:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Vitantur Nothus wrote: Let's buff 'em and make their stomping even easier. I think you're missing the point, OP is saying swarms are too easy to use based on their damage, not that they damage too much
Thank god someone understands.
If we use the formula
Power/skill=number
Number is very high cause Power is not bad at all and skill is very low.
The same formula with the plasma Cannon or the FG give you a smaller "number" cause skill needed is higher.
"Number" should be similare between these 3 weapons.
Ps. When I say "skill" I mean personal skill, personal ability, not SP investment
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Pagl1u M
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Posted - 2015.01.11 12:26:00 -
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It looks like it is not just me...
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