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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1743	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:23:00 - [1] - Quote Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring.
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 194	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:29:00 - [2] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring. Thats why im waiting for hopes of a better change. I had to leave for the same reason. So far nothing is pulling me back in to play dust again. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 100	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:36:00 - [3] - Quote Moments like this make me ponder creative ways to kill others. Landing a gorgon on others, Shotgun heavy fitting, the ever hilarious Jihaad jeep. There's plenty of fun to be had. Why not ask the Amarr on the forums if Tom Cruise is the holy father?
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5068	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:41:00 - [4] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Moments like this make me ponder creative ways to kill others. Landing a gorgon on others, Shotgun heavy fitting, the ever hilarious Jihaad jeep. There's plenty of fun to be had. Why not ask the Amarr on the forums if Tom Cruise is the holy father? Now that's the spirit! Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Miokai Zahou WarRavens Capital Punishment. 446	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:03:00 - [5] - Quote There a re plenty of ways to get back into he fight i.e dropships, LAV or HAV.... Why not use the dropships + CRU combo and help out the team or get a team member to do that if you all cry about BW limitations and no uplinks.... I do that from time-to-time. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1744	Posted - 2015.01.10 07:18:00 - [6] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: There a re plenty of ways to get back into he fight i.e dropships, LAV or HAV.... Why not use the dropships + CRU combo and help out the team or get a team member to do that if you all cry about BW limitations and no uplinks.... I do that from time-to-time. Because running from the abundance of proto AV in a dropship is in no way my idea of fun, I would rather play a FPS aka SHOOT PEOPLE. Even when you do get to shoot people it generally ends up taking a while for them to show back up unless they are in the oh so popular scout suit. Getting rid of equipment spam is whatever but something needs to be done to fix the pace that this game now moves at. Better match making, lower spawn times, smaller maps, and vehicle call in mechanics that actually work are all possibilities to over come the trench that band width has created.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10701	Posted - 2015.01.10 07:23:00 - [7] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Moments like this make me ponder creative ways to kill others. Landing a gorgon on others, Shotgun heavy fitting, the ever hilarious Jihaad jeep. There's plenty of fun to be had. Why not ask the Amarr on the forums if Tom Cruise is the holy father? Doubt the Amarrians would think as such. Tom Cruise is a Scientologist. Amarrians are Catholic. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3034	Posted - 2015.01.10 07:33:00 - [8] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring. The Questions about Bandwidth we have to ask. Did it reduce Lag? No. Did it stop Rooftop camping and infestations of rooftop camping that don't progress a match? Nope. What was Bandwidth for?
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 657	Posted - 2015.01.10 07:49:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring. The Questions about Bandwidth we have to ask. Did it reduce Lag? No. Did it stop Rooftop camping and infestations of rooftop camping that don't progress a match? Nope. What was Bandwidth for? What was it for? So people won't drop 20 links each and then go crazy having unlimited spawn locations. Also, it didn't make dust more boring. It wasn't boring before nor it is now. Eqiup links and go. Focus on killing. If you're playing solo then don't care about objective. Unless you know how to carry whole team. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Honor and Mission over money
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 516	Posted - 2015.01.10 09:38:00 - [10] - Quote Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above)


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 14404	Posted - 2015.01.10 10:15:00 - [11] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 715	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:04:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. Ahhh great! This would make uplink and nanohive distribution easier for our fellow logis. Changes to Damage mods!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1746	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:10:00 - [13] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. Ahhh great! This would make uplink and nanohive distribution easier for our fellow logis. Considering there is little to no explanation of this mechanic in game leaving non forumites and newbies lost I really do not see this helping a whole lot. Over complicated and under explained is a good way to drive people away, which seems to be exactly what is happening with equipment. How is it a good idea to implement a mechanic that can not be easily explained in game?
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 2185	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:12:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. err cough cough Scrambler Lance cough cough... Amarr Omnisoldier: Assault, Commando, Logistics, Scout, Sentinel at V My faith is in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1092	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:15:00 - [15] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible It-¦s like playing marathon man. I-¦m hardly shooting anymore. I seriously don-¦t understand how Rattati & co can not see how big of a role those uplinks play in the game.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3590	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:55:00 - [16] - Quote Bandwidth is an important feature that stops equipment spam, ant's nesting and people playing roles only until they get to a supply depot. Uplinks aren't fit for purpose anyways, nor should they be. We need a shake up, on our transport vehicles, to make the NDS more appropriate, introduce APC's and prehaps as we progress into legion we need to consoder goliath class transports. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 221	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:06:00 - [17] - Quote I personally feel that this whole bandwidth run was a waste of time and solved little to nothing. It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay).
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2973	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:10:00 - [18] - Quote You know what isn't boring no matter what happens, like literally you cannot be bored no matter what type of match you get put in..... Plasma cannon scout, slap on red bottles and damp - drive by plc everybody! Or die trying.... (Usually die trying but its great fun) You have to master the craft of the PLC, Look what this matchmaking has done to me! Damn, CCP. Why cant we have teams set up evenly.... Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 516	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:47:00 - [19] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). Nothing prevents you from equipping your Assault with uplinks today, and carry your team. Unless you mean dropping a shitload of uplinks with a Logi for WP farming, and then switching to Heavy/ Assault for slaying, then yes... You were nerfed.
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1094	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:56:00 - [20] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). Nothing prevents you from equipping your Assault with uplinks today, and carry your team. Unless you mean dropping a shitload of uplinks with a Logi for WP farming, and then switching to Heavy/ Assault for slaying, then yes... You were nerfed. So a scout should become an assault OR A LOGI just because? What-¦s wrong with you dude and what are you not understanding?

Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1688	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:57:00 - [21] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I personally feel that this whole bandwidth run was a waste of time and solved little to nothing. It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). I disagree. Bandwidth solved equipment spam from a singular person and provided more tactical gameplay. The new Warbarge strikes also helped in reducing equipment spam as well. CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou Kaze's Helpful Links
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1094	Posted - 2015.01.10 13:04:00 - [22] - Quote Also.. When dropping those uplinks you need to be quick & mobile. A scout not a logi.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 823	Posted - 2015.01.10 13:23:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. Nanohives, nanohives and nanohives. Plz 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period. 10100111001
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 714	Posted - 2015.01.10 13:38:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. Or increase the damage on prox... So one kill a tank It's kind of funny that you need like 6 to take out shield tank. Idk tank mines of this day and age take out a tank. War never changes
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 519	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:23:00 - [25] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). Nothing prevents you from equipping your Assault with uplinks today, and carry your team. Unless you mean dropping a shitload of uplinks with a Logi for WP farming, and then switching to Heavy/ Assault for slaying, then yes... You were nerfed. So a scout should become an assault or a logi just because? What-¦s wrong with you dude and what are you not understanding? The uplink has been a role for some of us from day one. I-¦m one of those scouts. So many quality scouts have what it takes and are great in this role. Been there done that. Logi-¦s and Assault gamers have not. We see this clearly as we play now. People running around like monkeys because noone is doing they-¦re job and the uplinks have been nerfed to almost nothing. I only responded to the desire to provide links and slay, which I stated is still possible today. Beginning of match I usually have a scout with uplinks, and then switch to Assault after the initial drop / hack. Since the BW on scouts and assault are similar, I get to keep most (if not all) uplinks I drop. As stated before, I do agree that uplinks tend to "run out" for the team since we can't carry as many, but as CCP Rattati stated the intention is to increase this number. When you can carry more, you can run around the entire game in a scout suite proving support by dropping uplinks at strategic places. When they get destroyed, you drop new ones. If a new hotspot of activity forms you will have the choice of providing a new spawn point and sacrifice another, or let the team slug it out best they can. Choices choices... I only wish we had some form of in-game GUI indication of the available bandwith pool, making it easier to manage and for newer players to understand what is happening.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:30:00 - [26] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). Nothing prevents you from equipping your Assault with uplinks today, and carry your team. Unless you mean dropping a shitload of uplinks with a Logi for WP farming, and then switching to Heavy/ Assault for slaying, then yes... You were nerfed. I always have been using an assault with links, but 2 or 3 links cannot sustain your team. If there are no players on your team placing links and being formidable heavies/assaults pushing the point you were required to do both in order to win. I'm sorry but the assault role does not permit you to slay through multiple heavies.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 224	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:34:00 - [27] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I personally feel that this whole bandwidth run was a waste of time and solved little to nothing. It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). I disagree. Bandwidth solved equipment spam from a singular person and provided more tactical gameplay. The new Warbarge strikes also helped in reducing equipment spam as well. This supposed equipment spam allowed a merc or a small squad to keep their team in the fight, now all we see is dropships taking shifts flying to high ground if not a one sided game. Why did we "solve" this again?
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 508	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:39:00 - [28] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: You know what isn't boring no matter what happens, like literally you cannot be bored no matter what type of match you get put in..... Plasma cannon scout, slap on red bottles and damp - drive by plc everybody! Or die trying.... (Usually die trying but its great fun) You have to master the craft of the PLC, Look what this matchmaking has done to me! Damn, CCP. Why cant we have teams set up evenly.... That was very good. MY DUST 514 VIDEOS I sniper hunt . What about you ?
Bremen van Equis BASTARDS OF BEDLAM 114	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:53:00 - [29] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Also.. When dropping those uplinks you need to be quick & mobile. A scout not a logi. Not alwaysGÇª when you got fat kids setting up a beach head, you're dropping links to bring in reinforcements and repping until they arriveGÇªlogi not scout. Buckle up, boysGÇªthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 520	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:55:00 - [30] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). Nothing prevents you from equipping your Assault with uplinks today, and carry your team. Unless you mean dropping a shitload of uplinks with a Logi for WP farming, and then switching to Heavy/ Assault for slaying, then yes... You were nerfed. I always have been using an assault with links, but 2 or 3 links cannot sustain your team. If there are no players on your team placing links and being formidable heavies/assaults pushing the point you were required to do both in order to win. I'm sorry but the assault role does not permit you to slay through multiple heavies. I do think 2 or 3 links in the right place can indeed sustain a team to victory. The problem is the hotspots move during the battle, so earlier links might be rendered useless. If we can carry more, we can replace those with new ones, where they are needed at the moment. @CCP Rattati: Don't wait with this change until the next release.

iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 578	Posted - 2015.01.10 15:12:00 - [31] - Quote i always carried my team to victory by uplinking, but with current set up i can't even place a hive without my links going pop, so please do tell why would i gimp my assault just to keep one link that maybe will get 5-6 spawns before the enemy would find it.......... and that be the problem with bw it ruined solo'ist like myself being able to contribute (besides slaying) if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 226	Posted - 2015.01.10 15:21:00 - [32] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It definitely nerfed players who attempt to carry the team in pubs (i.e provide links and slay). Nothing prevents you from equipping your Assault with uplinks today, and carry your team. Unless you mean dropping a shitload of uplinks with a Logi for WP farming, and then switching to Heavy/ Assault for slaying, then yes... You were nerfed. I always have been using an assault with links, but 2 or 3 links cannot sustain your team. If there are no players on your team placing links and being formidable heavies/assaults pushing the point you were required to do both in order to win. I'm sorry but the assault role does not permit you to slay through multiple heavies. I do think 2 or 3 links in the right place can indeed sustain a team to victory. The problem is the hotspots move during the battle, so earlier links might be rendered useless. If we can carry more, we can replace those with new ones, where they are needed at the moment. @CCP Rattati: Don't wait with this change until the next release. in the right place? you mean if the enemy infantry and vehicles don't have scanners/passive scans? Hotspots are always relatively on the objective. The problem I'm outlining is that in order to win you needed to place links for your team then do your share (and probably more) slaying/clearing the objective which used to be done in heavy suits or not-gimped-by-uplinks assault suits.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 226	Posted - 2015.01.10 15:34:00 - [33] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: it ruined solo'ist like myself being able to contribute (besides slaying) Even a newbro who just started the game and skilled into assault or heavy as his only role could contribute to the game by running a militia light frame and placing several links then switchig to his assault or heavy if he wanted to contribute to the win
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 521	Posted - 2015.01.10 16:10:00 - [34] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: in the right place? you mean if the enemy infantry and vehicles don't have scanners/passive scans? There always a right place for the moment. They might find and destroy it, resulting in only 5-6 spawns, but that might do all the difference. Plus I believe Proto equipment have lower profile signature, making them harder to detect. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Hotspots are always relatively on the objective. The problem I'm outlining is that in order to win you needed to place links for your team then do your share (and probably more) slaying/clearing the objective which used to be done in heavy suits or not-gimped-by-uplinks assault suits. How do you "gimp" your Assault by equipping a spawn uplink? True, you will not be able to equip a scanner of a nanohive, but that is not "gimping" your suite. You trade one advantage with another. Heavies, that is another story, but they excel in CQC combat. They need to trade this advantage with something else. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Then I or my small squad find ourselves saying "we can't switch to heavies or assaults because we have the only uplinks on the field and the loading screen doesn't tell our bluedots to bring uplinks" Yes, if you are going solo you can't provide links for the team and then switch to a heavy. But that is the entire point of the system. If you find that your team is missing the essential link deployment role, then switch to a logi and fill that role. That is how you carry your team, you fill the role which is missing. If they can't kill for **** either...well then they are missing more than one role. If you are in a small squad, I really don't see the problem. You split the roles between you. If everybody likes doing everything, you take turns beeing the "slayer" and "provider". Hell, you won't loose that much either, as a Logi / Heavy combo is a very potent mix. With that said, I fully agree with you the information (in-game) regarding bandwidth is subpar at best, and needs to be improved.
Green Means Go Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.01.10 16:34:00 - [35] - Quote I stopped playing the day they announced the equipment nerf. Nothing left for me in dust. I did log in a couple weeks ago and dropped my 6 links. Sat the rest of match out on Mcc roof in my thale logi fit. :) Haven't played since. Dust has lost all the glitter it once had. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1155	Posted - 2015.01.10 16:43:00 - [36] - Quote bw was a huge improvement in my opinion. It gives true logis a role and reduced equipment spam a ton. Honestly I hate uplinks, I wish they would get nerfed again in terms of number of units spawned from them. I wish there was more of a focus on vehicle transport and mobile CRUs. This would introduce a whole new role into dust. However there are still too many uplinks for people to care to spawn on mobile CRUs and AV is too strong at the moment for this role to be profitable. My only issue with bw is I wish they added a little gauge on the hud that filled up as you placed equipment so you have some idea of how much bw capacity you have left.
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1155	Posted - 2015.01.10 16:48:00 - [37] - Quote Green Means Go wrote: I stopped playing the day they announced the equipment nerf. Nothing left for me in dust. I did log in a couple weeks ago and dropped my 6 links. Sat the rest of match out on Mcc roof in my thale logi fit. :) Haven't played since. Dust has lost all the glitter it once had. I'll spend my money elsewhere. It wasn't a equipment nerf you herb. If anything it was a logi buff. And all other role nerf. What did you do before? You can still drop equipment you just actually have to think about where you put it instead of spamming it all over the place.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 230	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:37:00 - [38] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: in the right place? you mean if the enemy infantry and vehicles don't have scanners/passive scans? There always a right place for the moment. They might find and destroy it, resulting in only 5-6 spawns, but that might do all the difference. Plus I believe Proto equipment have lower profile signature, making them harder to detect. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Hotspots are always relatively on the objective. The problem I'm outlining is that in order to win you needed to place links for your team then do your share (and probably more) slaying/clearing the objective which used to be done in heavy suits or not-gimped-by-uplinks assault suits. How do you "gimp" your Assault by equipping a spawn uplink? True, you will not be able to equip a scanner of a nanohive, but that is not "gimping" your suite. You trade one advantage with another. Heavies, that is another story, but they excel in CQC combat. They need to trade this advantage with something else. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Then I or my small squad find ourselves saying "we can't switch to heavies or assaults because we have the only uplinks on the field and the loading screen doesn't tell our bluedots to bring uplinks" Yes, if you are going solo you can't provide links for the team and then switch to a heavy. But that is the entire point of the system. If you find that your team is missing the essential link deployment role, then switch to a logi and fill that role. That is how you carry your team, you fill the role which is missing. If they can't kill for **** either...well then they are missing more than one role. If you are in a small squad, I really don't see the problem. You split the roles between you. If everybody likes doing everything, you take turns beeing the "slayer" and "provider". Hell, you won't loose that much either, as a Logi / Heavy combo is a very potent mix. With that said, I fully agree with you the information (in-game) regarding bandwidth is subpar at best, and needs to be improved. Uplinks definitely require you to downgrade several modules to fit one on whatever tier dropsuit. I'm emphasizing that if your team's heavies are clearly an inadequate force to take the objective, you cannot switch roles to do what they can't because you'll redline your team by destroying the only uplinks. Bandwidth was the right idea but was not thought out meticuously, it has done more harm than good - a waste of time.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9168	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:39:00 - [39] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: You know what isn't boring no matter what happens, like literally you cannot be bored no matter what type of match you get put in..... Plasma cannon scout, slap on red bottles and damp - drive by plc everybody! Or die trying.... (Usually die trying but its great fun) You have to master the craft of the PLC, Look what this matchmaking has done to me! Damn, CCP. Why cant we have teams set up evenly.... Even that would still be boring against the Caldari in FW CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 521	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:43:00 - [40] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: My only issue with bw is I wish they added a little gauge on the hud that filled up as you placed equipment so you have some idea of how much bw capacity you have left. Amen +1

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1753	Posted - 2015.01.10 22:37:00 - [41] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: bw was a huge improvement in my opinion. It gives true logis a role and reduced equipment spam a ton. Honestly I hate uplinks, I wish they would get nerfed again in terms of number of units spawned from them. I wish there was more of a focus on vehicle transport and mobile CRUs. This would introduce a whole new role into dust. However there are still too many uplinks for people to care to spawn on mobile CRUs and AV is too strong at the moment for this role to be profitable. My only issue with bw is I wish they added a little gauge on the hud that filled up as you placed equipment so you have some idea of how much bw capacity you have left. I honestly do not understand all this talk of new roles. We only have 16 people per side and out of that a minimum of 3-4 of them are AFK farming. If you add many more roles and lock people into things like bandwidth does matches are going to be decided by the one person on the team that actually goes after an objective.
Middas Betancore Mantodea MC 336	Posted - 2015.01.11 07:32:00 - [42] - Quote I "think" the idea was to make ppl choose, death to omni-soldier 5000 etc No u cannot haz all the links and pwn all the things while sitting in triage hives while the tank pops on yr minefield But with a bit of thought u can do a bit of each Or spread the roles out between ur sqd BW is awesome, requires tactical thought (not included) At a STRETCH of compromise maybe sentinel frames can get 4/6/8? It's a game that thrives on planning and teamwork, BW reinforces this idea "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3058	Posted - 2015.01.11 09:58:00 - [43] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: I "think" the idea was to make ppl choose, death to omni-soldier 5000 etc No u cannot haz all the links and pwn all the things while sitting in triage hives while the tank pops on yr minefield But with a bit of thought u can do a bit of each Or spread the roles out between ur sqd BW is awesome, requires tactical thought (not included) At a STRETCH of compromise maybe sentinel frames can get 4/6/8? It's a game that thrives on planning and teamwork, BW reinforces this idea All Bandwidth does in the big picture of what your saying... Is nerf and limit a player because they are too good... So they should have limitations and be controlled otherwise it will get out of hand. We went from DUST being about building a Sandbox... To Having a game where GM's change names for players and legitimately Scammed ISK get's returned to the victim. Shrugs
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 743	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:08:00 - [44] - Quote I see lots of Drop Uplinks on the field. I do not know what you are tripping on.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 743	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:14:00 - [45] - Quote Nothing stops any of you from using Drop Uplinks anymore. You just can not spam them stupidly. You can still be a Scout that gets quickly out to great spots to drop strategic Uplinks.
Middas Betancore Mantodea MC 346	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:15:00 - [46] - Quote Limit a player cos they are too good......ow my brain All u do is hate and gripe "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5429	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:18:00 - [47] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Middas Betancore wrote: I "think" the idea was to make ppl choose, death to omni-soldier 5000 etc No u cannot haz all the links and pwn all the things while sitting in triage hives while the tank pops on yr minefield But with a bit of thought u can do a bit of each Or spread the roles out between ur sqd BW is awesome, requires tactical thought (not included) At a STRETCH of compromise maybe sentinel frames can get 4/6/8? It's a game that thrives on planning and teamwork, BW reinforces this idea All Bandwidth does in the big picture of what your saying... Is nerf and limit a player because they are too good... So they should have limitations and be controlled otherwise it will get out of hand. We went from DUST being about building a Sandbox... To Having a game where GM's change names for players and legitimately Scammed ISK get's returned to the victim. Shrugs Bandwidth isn't a nerf to "good players" lol Since when was equipment spam considered a skill?
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1057	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:28:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. And remotes? I got on Basic Assault suit as I wanted to use Basic remotes. Placed 3 down. First exploded. Looked at BW requirements. Each remote is 3 BW, text says max deploy is 3. Suit BW is...... 8. Wow..... seriously wrong, yes/ Yes. Very most much wrong. Brain hurt wrong. Wrong hurt brain. Wrong Mostest. Wronger than Sentuncez wrytten hear. ikz zoo wrawng, itkz make wryting hward. Whai8 so wra2ng? ette hyurtzz. Plz fyzxe. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 314	Posted - 2015.01.11 18:15:00 - [49] - Quote I'm a proud logibro. I drop proto hives/links allover the field and support my team... but... when enemy start spamming tanks I switch to protoforge sentinel and buffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff... all my shiny hives and link dissapear. That sucks Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro Logibro2
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 277	Posted - 2015.01.11 18:23:00 - [50] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I personally feel that this whole bandwidth run was a waste of time and solved little to nothing. Many players say that even at start of bandwidth discussion. CCP acting like the fixing not the disease, but the try to heal sympthoms.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3060	Posted - 2015.01.11 18:24:00 - [51] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Bethhy wrote: Middas Betancore wrote: I "think" the idea was to make ppl choose, death to omni-soldier 5000 etc No u cannot haz all the links and pwn all the things while sitting in triage hives while the tank pops on yr minefield But with a bit of thought u can do a bit of each Or spread the roles out between ur sqd BW is awesome, requires tactical thought (not included) At a STRETCH of compromise maybe sentinel frames can get 4/6/8? It's a game that thrives on planning and teamwork, BW reinforces this idea All Bandwidth does in the big picture of what your saying... Is nerf and limit a player because they are too good... So they should have limitations and be controlled otherwise it will get out of hand. We went from DUST being about building a Sandbox... To Having a game where GM's change names for players and legitimately Scammed ISK get's returned to the victim. Shrugs Bandwidth isn't a nerf to "good players" lol Since when was equipment spam considered a skill? How is it not a nerf? It is a general nerf to the sandbox gameplay of DUST to then control and limit players abilities they would otherwise have in it. To What? Reduce Lag? Nope..... Stop Rooftop camping that lasts all match and doesn't progress a match? Nope. To allow more tactics? Hell no, that is assbackwards thinking.... There are reasons soldiers carry such big backpacks. Using the phrase "Equipment spam" as if that has any relation to a skilled player using the tools of the game. Is a bit Naiive.. There is equipment spam... But most often it isn't a "Skill" or done by a "Skilled" player. Worse is that Bandwidth hasn't got rid of Equipment spam... There are still equipment infestations at supply depots and roofs just the same. The only sure change is that Solo players can contribute less to the objective of maps, And spawn points are extremely rare except in equipment spammed roofs and Supply depots. Bandwidth is a neat idea... But that is as far as it goes. It's the same as Scanning.... It's a neat concept... But that is as far as it goes... DUST worked far better when everyone could see everyone on the Radar... It took skill to flank.. It was a giant chess match.... Now it's just an abused feature and or one that half the population doesn't understand at all. But Hey? Bandwidth made squads stronger... They obviously weren't strong enough before this change.
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1100	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:11:00 - [52] - Quote It-¦s strange to kill off a whole clan of gamers when nerfing things while trying to make the game better.
LAVALLOIS Nash 406	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:26:00 - [53] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: and that be the problem with bw it ruined solo'ist like myself being able to contribute (besides slaying) Thats kind of the idea. It infuriates people who have been in squads their entire time to see someone able to make it without seeking out all the help they had to seek. They feel that you should either be in a squad taking orders, or you should be a non impact player on the fringes. It does sort of make sense though. If you spend your entire life with training wheels on your bike, its pretty maddening to see someone new come along and jump onto a bike without training wheels and go. I dont agree at all with the mentality, but I can see where it comes from. Middas Betancore wrote: I "think" the idea was to make ppl choose, death to omni-soldier 5000 etc No u cannot haz all the links and pwn all the things while sitting in triage hives while the tank pops on yr minefield But with a bit of thought u can do a bit of each Or spread the roles out between ur sqd If the idea was to make people choose, why can a Scout still run up to a Supply Depot and switch into a HMG? Why can an assault run up to a Supply Depot and switch to a dual swarm commando? Assaults, Commandos and Scouts can still drop equipment. They are still eating from my logi plate. Also, friendly reminder, not everyone plays in squads. I dont need 5 other people to fight my fights for me. Im a complete player, not 1/6th of one. Middas Betancore wrote: BW is awesome, requires tactical thought (not included) At a STRETCH of compromise maybe sentinel frames can get 4/6/8? It's a game that thrives on planning and teamwork, BW reinforces this idea Not really, it takes away from tactical thought. Tactics is the ability to address rapidly changing situations in the battlefield and to anticipate results enough to plan for the unpredictable. In short, if you have a solid tactic, it holds up to even unknown threats. Removing how much equipment I can drop AND locking me to one type of suit is not tactical. Tactical is an unexpected forgegun shot out of nowhere scaring off that ADS thats been buzzing the team for 5 minutes. Tactical is a enemy blaster tank rolling over mines as it gets ready to rip into the teams rear. Tactical is a dropship or LAV arriving into a combat zone, deploying supplies, and leaving like a bat out of hell. Tactics take preparation and planning. What we have now is not tactical. Because I can only drop so much, the suit has to be expensive, and the same expensive or more expensive logi suit has to be frankensteined into other roles....what happens is the bare minimum. Put the uplinks in the safest, most likely to be trafficked areas, then either switch to my Chrion BPO (which most people cant do), or a grab a sniper and get as far from danger as I can. If the uplinks run out, ill go get a dropship and replace them. If they get destroyed, well, ill probably avoid taking personal losses if its a losing game and say its not my problem. The OP is right, the intensity is not there anymore. If you like to farm numbers, this is a great time, as there are alot of militia suits coming out of fewer, more predictable points. If instead you have fun by trying to carry outmatched teams and beat the establishment, well, yeah its pretty boring now. The oppressive squad majority wins this round.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 267	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:58:00 - [54] - Quote So as a player who's been running an Uplink Scout as my main since closed Beta, the Bandwidth changes have crippled my role. As such I have given the mechanic and it's results on the dynamic a lot of thought. One main thing that has to be admitted right from the start is that Bandwidth was introduced to fix the very nasty problem of Equipment-Spam>Swap, and it has effectively eliminated that problem. Even though BW has crippled my role and led to a number of other issues in the dynamic, I do have to be honest about this upfront: Dust as it is right now, is better than before Bandwidth. With that said, there are a number of new issues that Bandwidth has caused. - Deployable Logi's can no longer swap out of their role to deal with a changing battlefield. - Vets can no longer fix the problem of blueberries who can't/won't/don't-know-how-to deploy uplinks. - The role of Deployable Support is now hard bound to the Logi suit-class, completely eliminating the 3 other suit-classes. - Less Uplinks on the battlefield has made it so it very often takes far longer to get back into combat. I've spent (an honestly unconscionable amount of) time thinking about this issue. I've come to the point where I see two possible "fixes" to Bandwidth that would soften/eliminate most of these problems. Note that both of the solutions are based on differing ideas of what the core issue of "Equipment-Spam>Swap" was (specifically, what the missing cost was) and then applying a fix directly to that. #1: Core Spam>Swap issue: "The problem of players deploying a bunch of equipment and then swapping roles is that it enables a player to bring more power to the battle with no additional fitting cost." Issue explanation: A Logi with deployables out is good. A well fit Slayer is good. A well fit Slayer with deployables out is great! In fact if you are staying in your deployables fit Logi suit after getting your gear in place, or if you are fighting in your well fit Slayer suit without first getting deployables out, you are objectively & mathematically playing sub-par. Solution: Make it so if a player switches to a Slayer suit and they have equipment out that they want to keep, make them "carry the burden of it on their back". Add a module that can be fitted to any suit that increases Bandwidth. Any player in any suit can have a decent amount of equipment out, but they now have to hinder their fit by sacrificing one or more slots and a bunch of CPU/PG to do so. Now you have: A Logi with deployables out is good. A well fit Slayer is good. A sub-par fit Slayer with deployables out is good. The community has been suggesting #1 for a while now. After having thought on this for a long time, I eventually found a second perspective/solution to the situation. #2: Core Spam>Swap issue: "The problem of players deploying a bunch of equipment and then swapping roles is that it enables a player to bring more power to the battle with very little time cost." When you get to the highend of play, and start considering all the in-game resources needed to win fights, you start to realize that more valuable than clones, MCC health, or ISK, is probably the single most precious resource: Time. Players spend time to achieve goals on the battlefield. Killing, healing, hacking, getting from A to B, plaicng equipment,... You spend time to achieve your goals. When you hurt an enemy the main thing you are costing them is thier time. The value in wounding a HAV/ADS is they have to run away and spend time healing. the point of wounding a player is they have to take cover and spend time healing instead of killing/hacking/advancing. Killing an enemy forces them back to the nearest spawn and they have to burn time spawning in and covering territory. Placing uplinks lessens the time cost for your entire army; consistently denying the enemy army good span points will win any any battle since they can't operate at the same time efficiency as your army. Time is an incredibly precious resource to both the individual player and to the team as a whole. The core issue with people quickly spamming a ton of equipment in a Logi suit and then instantly swapping to a Slayer fit was that they were manifesting a buch of Logi power with out paying the usual Logi time cost. Solution: Make it so there is a hindrance to rapidly spamming equipment then swapping. Now some members of the community had already been proposing various mechanics that would target this; limits to how fast deployables can be dropped; limits to how close deployables can be placed to a Supply Depot. But the suggestions kept getting shot down by other players due to those mechanics causing massive other problems. The idea I hit on though was that Bandwidth should no longer limit how much total equipment you can have deployed, but rather how much you can have quickly deployed. The specific mechanic I'd offer for consideration is: what if every piece of deployed equipment gradually took less BW the longer it was out? (For narrative reasons, let's say the MCC and the deployable tuned into each other over time and eventually the specific piece needed less Bandwidth to exist.) This BW cost decrease happens for only one equipment piece at a time. To offer some numbers for discussion, let's say every 10 seconds a deployable is out it costs 1 less BW, eventually ending at zero. So, one uplink will take 40 seconds to decrease to no BW cost. Two uplinks will take 80 seconds.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 267	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:59:00 - [55] - Quote So, lets run some examples: (Note: For easy math, I'm treating all these as: Deployable = 4 BW Slayer fit equals 12 BW) Spammer scenario: Spammer hits a Supply Depot and floods the area with equipment. The fist piece of gear hit the ground basically instantly and about 12 seconds and 8 pieces of gear later, the last piece of gear is out and the spammer swaps to a Slayer fit. The first piece of gear has ticked down from 4 to 3, all the other gear still cost what it did before, all but the first 3 pieces of equipment pop. Same behavior we have today. Logi encountering needed role change scenario: Logi reaches an enemy objective with their squad, places an uplink and a hive, pulls out a Rep-tool and heals the squad as they take the objective. 80 seconds later the 'link and 'hive cost 0 BW. Some time later the team clears the area and takes the objective. Logi reiforces the target by deploying 5 pieaces of equipmet throughtout the area. BW cost for everything now at 20 BW. Squad fights off enemies over the next 140 seconds. Tank rolls up and Logi player is designated AV. Switches to Slayer-AV. Bandwitdth cost of 6 BW easily fits into 12 BW of Slayer; nothing pops. Tank is fended off and runs to heal; player swaps back to Logi fit. Support Scout scenario: Uplink Scout runs towards Charlie, 100m out places a 'link. Hacks cannon. Runs towards city, pauses 150m away from Charlie, turns around and drops a 'link. 30 seconds have passed since first drop; first 'link at 1 BW and second at 4 BW. 20 seconds later, reaches city, cloaks, spends 20 seconds parkouring up pipes to reach a safe-ish point, drops 'link. First at 0 BW, second at 1 BW, third at 4 BW. Out of 'links, Scout fights in city, 10 seconds later is killed (I'm basically narrating me here ;) ). Looks at map, no enemies at Charlie and allies spawnign into city fight; chooses to enemy's natural cannon at Delta. Spawns in as cloase as possible (which is not close at all) and marathons to Delta. 150m out drops a 'link. 40 sec since last drop; first at 0 BW, second at 0 BW, third at 1 BW, forth at 4 BW. Proceds to Delta, hacks it, intantly killed by a spray of bullets lust as the hack finishes. Looks at map, Delta being counter-hacked, Charlie has been hacked by enemy, first uplink destroyed by enemy, city uplink destroyed by enemy, allies spawing off second uplink to retake Charlie. Decide to ignore Delta for now, and rely on teamates to reatake Charlie; maintaining a beachhead at city more important. Spawn at uplink near Delta and turn around and run at city. 100m out place 'link. 20 seconds since last drop; first is dead, second at 0 BW, third is dead, forth at 0 BW, fifth at 4 BW. Enter city, place 'link inside in some out of the way place, find enemy, fight, die. Look at map,.... Process of continually repositioning uplinks as they are popped, and atepting to hack/fight continues rest of match. Heavy with bad team scenario: Heavy spawns in, calls LAV, waits for blueberries to load in, rushes middle of map. Objectives at ceter are captured and defesive fighting ensues for the next few minutes. Eventually the Heavy notices thier allies aren't taking any of the other objectives, checks the map and sees no uplinks out. Realizes this is a losing situation, swaps to an uplink Logi suit and over the next 120 seconds gets 5 uplinks out. Now, the first three 'links are at 0 BW, but the last two are at 4 each; if the player switches back to Heavy now, the first three will remain, but the last two will pop. Player stays in Logi and heals and fights for the next couple minutes. All uplinks now at 0 BW, they switch back to Heavy. Notice how in the four scenarios above, the only one that can't play the way they did before Bandwitdh is the Spammer. Everyone else is able to invest time, ISK, and cunning to help their team just as they used to be able to do before BW was implimented. Notes: #1 has issues with making fitting a bit annoyhing. If player isn't expecting to have to swap between Deployables and other roles, they will have to screw with fits mid-battle. #2 has issues with it being confusing what equipment is costing what Bandwidth. New Bandwidth GUI would largely elivaite this, but it would still exist to some degree. If we implement #2 we can't get rid of the "Max deployed" stat as some have suggested, else we'll have no total cap what so ever, and we get to findout how many of an infite pool of deployables is needed to crash a map.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 267	Posted - 2015.01.11 20:00:00 - [56] - Quote Reserved 3
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 75	Posted - 2015.01.11 20:54:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. BW for proxy mines makes no sense Please reduce proxy BW to zero. You need six just to kill anything. And if I manage to not get killed by the time it takes to drop proxies they are still a very unreliable form of AV as they can be avoided/blown up
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 75	Posted - 2015.01.11 21:10:00 - [58] - Quote Bethhy wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring. The Questions about Bandwidth we have to ask. Did it reduce Lag? No. Did it stop Rooftop camping and infestations of rooftop camping that don't progress a match? Nope. What was Bandwidth for? Bandwidth was created to make the small sect of logi users feel important. I think they could have imposed certain restrictions on uplink and nanohives and not created a new convoluted "feature" example for uplinks: maximum two uplinks active per player. example for nanohives : maximum one nanohive per player. Exception is logi which can have max three or four active, must stay in logi suit And finally - uplinks and nanohives cannot be deployed near a supply depot up to 15 or 20 meters (or whatever makes sense) This is a much simpler solution that avoids the nonsense of BW on proxy mines
Niuvo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1433	Posted - 2015.01.11 21:33:00 - [59] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring. Switch s*** up or don't play.
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 584	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:45:00 - [60] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: it ruined solo'ist like myself being able to contribute (besides slaying) Even a newbro who just started the game and skilled into assault or heavy as his only role could contribute to the game by running a militia light frame and placing several links then switchig to his assault or heavy if he wanted to contribute to the win yeah he can but you know i run core locus on all my fits and having my hives is way way better than 1 or two uplinks that can be destroyed by a 400 wp strike or a scout 1 minute after i deploy em if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1765	Posted - 2015.01.11 23:06:00 - [61] - Quote Niuvo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Just took another shot at playing, this is like my 4th time since BW introduction, and it is just BORING. Between matchmaking being trash and BW making for very very few uplinks on the field it just makes pace of play terrible. I know I kept saying this would happen when BW was being discussed so it may seem that I am just trying to be right but it is FAR worse than I was expecting. It is great for the logis who do choose to stick to uplinks and stack up WP but for everyone else it is just plain BAD. Either fix matchmaking or make some huge changes to BW. Looking at the changes that have been made it would seem that the game should be in a great place but it is unplayable in the long term sense right now thanks to being out right boring. Switch s*** up or don't play. Lol you were probably one of the people preaching how good band width will be. You also probably love matchmaking don't you? Go back to farming PC districts. Remember its circle to hack the CRU after your red buddy finishes.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2719	Posted - 2015.01.12 01:29:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. Reduce proxies to one? That means no drop and forget AV. Great news for pilots everywhere. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1765	Posted - 2015.01.12 01:44:00 - [63] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: Although I have no major problem with the current BW mechanic (apart from lack of visual GUI in-game), I think the initial idea was to increase the number of carried equipment. This would mean you might only have the bandwith to place 1 uplink, but you can carry 5, and replace the one at strategic times. Now I can agree that the uplinks "run out" too quickly. I also think the "max active units" on each equipment is a bit redundant now with the introduction of BW. If you have the available bandwith, only the "max carried" should limit you (which should be increased as stated above) yes, it's our stated goal to increase carried for all equipment. And reduce proxies to 1 bw. Reduce proxies to one? That means no drop and forget AV. Great news for pilots everywhere. No he said drop proxies to one BW meaning a logi can spam the **** out of them.
Clone D 1305	Posted - 2015.01.13 03:27:00 - [64] - Quote Upon the release of the bandwidth proposal spreadsheet, I revisited all of my fittings and prepped them for bandwidth. I had a plan for how to play each suit and knew which suits were compatible with which strategies. I even included the amount of bandwidth in my suits' names as a reminder during in game selection. I have continued to play all roles since bandwidth hit. I have let go of the old norms of exercising all battle competencies simultaneously. I have even looked for new ways to have fun since the implementation. But I must admit that I find myself feeling the urge to quit out of sheer boredom. Matches are so drab and colorless now. I know that bandwidth will be tweaked over time, but the pinache is gone and the fun has puttered out. Now I feel even more frustration than before. I am still regularly finishing top 5 in pubs, and making ever more ISK since the addition of APEX and daily missions. I used to see proto stomps as a challenge, but now I just roll my eyes as the proto squads wander the maps without resistance. It's like the speed and adrenaline that once was so palpable has vanished. It started when dropship speeds were slowed down to the point that flight became a chore instead of an exciting adventure. Then one after another more nerfs came down, slowing the gameplay, killing the excitement. I was once a huge fan of this game, but now it just seems bland, insipid and vacuous. I'd even give it a meh. Is it all because of bandwidth? I think bandwidth is yet another diminution of player potential. From a standpoint of fun, I am having less of it now.


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