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Golden Day You Can Call Me Daddy 177	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:00:00 - [1] - Quote Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Shields mmmmm.....
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 672	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:06:00 - [2] - Quote Super Seniors. They're scared to graduate. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6786	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:07:00 - [3] - Quote Because most people suck to much in either FW or PC so they go to public matches with as much Proto gear as they can with a squad of other similarly minded people to make themselves feel good. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3565	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:15:00 - [4] - Quote Try the hardest to win is fine, bring in proto squad if the enemy is fielding only lower metalevel stuff is not fine. I don't understand too why some people do it. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1191	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:16:00 - [5] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win I have no problem with people running proto gear if they want to, but I realise there are balance issues. Hopefully meta level caps will address this. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm bringing back Contact Nades :P
Nirwanda Vaughns 1163	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:27:00 - [6] - Quote because sadly, for some players having a good KDR and feeling 'superior' over other players is the only good thing they have in their lives. these days i only have 1 or 2 proto fits used for PC and the rest of the time its all BPOs either STD or the APEX/LP store ones. i proposed a self made player event called NoPROvember this past november as all the big corps were tugging di*s claiming they'd still stomp everyone, not suprisingly not one of them would take part haha. i've even been known to kick members from my squad for runnign PRO/OFF gear in pubs Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner*
Patrick57 I Have No Idea What I'm Doing 9544	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:30:00 - [7] - Quote I have 4 proto suits and I'm going to use them dammit! also no PC to use them in and I don't run fw often since you need a whole qsync to win amarr >:\| i fucking hate waffles
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2743	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:31:00 - [8] - Quote Its like listening to tiny Tim: Oh please sir, would you mind putting a little less effort into this game, its not fun for all you know.... Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1193	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:33:00 - [9] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: because sadly, for some players having a good KDR and feeling 'superior' over other players is the only good thing they have in their lives. these days i only have 1 or 2 proto fits used for PC and the rest of the time its all BPOs either STD or the APEX/LP store ones. i proposed a self made player event called NoPROvember this past november as all the big corps were tugging di**s claiming they'd still stomp everyone, not suprisingly not one of them would take part haha. i've even been known to kick members from my squad for runnign PRO/OFF gear in pubs I wouldn't run officer gear in anything but pubs; people TK you for the lolz. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 I'm bringing back Contact Nades :P
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 504	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:35:00 - [10] - Quote because i'll field whatever the fluck i want

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3671	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:38:00 - [11] - Quote fkn heavies in STD suits with 1000hp+ armor with logis vs an exile Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1640	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:55:00 - [12] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I have 4 proto suits and I'm going to use them dammit! also no PC to use them in and I don't run fw often since you need a whole qsync to win amarr >:\| Where's your GOD and Empress nnnnnaaaaaaooooooowwwww ???? Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2704	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:55:00 - [13] - Quote Because we never implemented K/D(r)MM. Daz whye. This is a prototype-level sig. I worked hard for it, and I'm going to use it every time. So, just get used to it.
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:07:00 - [14] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 55	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:24:00 - [15] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I have 4 proto suits and I'm going to use them dammit! also no PC to use them in and I don't run fw often since you need a whole qsync to win amarr >:\| Same thought. I have many proto suits, I grinded them to use them not to watch and save a money that I'll never spend (like many players here do)! I don't like running with a full proto squad, and I rarely do. The only time I use proto is when I see enemies using proto. There, I see no problem in using proto stuffs as well ^^ I don't see what's the problem in trying the hardest to win btw. I think more should do this, challenging battles are rare.. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 293	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:35:00 - [16] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll I have 2 suits at proto and I never use them. I maxed the skills for the bonus, that's all I need. I'm tired of this "I worked for it, therefore I must use it" mentality. Not pointing fingers, but this seems to be one of the ways we rationalize using proto when we don't need to. [38.1m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 2] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 633	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:47:00 - [17] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll I have 2 suits at proto and I never use them. I maxed the skills for the bonus, that's all I need. I'm tired of this "I worked for it, therefore I must use it" mentality. Not pointing fingers, but this seems to be one of the ways we rationalize using proto when we don't need to. Oh they need it for sure! They'd get owned otherwise, and they know it lol! I have 4 proto suits as well, and access to a huge bank. Its no excuse to be running around like a tool in a full proto q sync. "Anybody order chaos?"
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1052	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:53:00 - [18] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll I have 2 suits at proto and I never use them. I maxed the skills for the bonus, that's all I need. I'm tired of this "I worked for it, therefore I must use it" mentality. Not pointing fingers, but this seems to be one of the ways we rationalize using proto when we don't need to. Oh they need it for sure! They'd get owned otherwise, and they know it lol! I have 4 proto suits as well, and access to a huge bank. Its no excuse to be running around like a tool in a full proto q sync. I just watched your corp quesync a 50clone ambush last night.. tryhard much? Lol Edit: you still lost... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 37	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:59:00 - [19] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll I have 2 suits at proto and I never use them. I maxed the skills for the bonus, that's all I need. I'm tired of this "I worked for it, therefore I must use it" mentality. Not pointing fingers, but this seems to be one of the ways we rationalize using proto when we don't need to. Oh they need it for sure! They'd get owned otherwise, and they know it lol! I have 4 proto suits as well, and access to a huge bank. Its no excuse to be running around like a tool in a full proto q sync. I just watched your corp quesync a 50clone ambush last night.. tryhard much? Lol Edit: you still lost... Emperor Gucci
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3671	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:06:00 - [20] - Quote [quote=Bradric Banewolf] I have different tiers of proto suits. I use them to fit certain things in them that I can't in the adv suit. Some of them I play with for the fun factor. Like 4 codebreakers on an assault suit, etc, etc. Proto suit doesn't mean "I win automatically". I have adv suit(s) that mofos should cry about more than most of my proto fits. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here

jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 79	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:11:00 - [21] - Quote I just don't know why they do it, Many people hate protostompers because they think they are deliberately trying to make new players feel like crap but how can they be sure> Some people do like making other people feel bad, However most people just do what they want to do without really thinking how other people feel about it, I have no real experience with running squads or PC but if I had a new player on the team I would show them the ropes by playing in pubs, I learnt how to "fly" dropships in pubs, not FW
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 294	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:13:00 - [22] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I have different tiers of proto suits. I use them to fit certain things in them that I can't in the adv suit. Some of them I play with for the fun factor. Like 4 codebreakers on an assault suit, etc, etc. Proto suit doesn't mean "I win automatically". I have adv suit(s) that mofos should cry about more than most of my proto fits. Well yeah, on rare occasion I'll use proto (with STD weapons) just for the slot count. Ex. So I can have a Regulator, Cardiac, Ferroscale, and Repairer simultaneously on my Minmatar Assault. But as we know, most of those who run proto stack HP and use proto weapons. [38.1m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 2] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2429	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:13:00 - [23] - Quote A. Running with friends is fun. B. Intrasquad competition. Bet I can get a better KDR than you this match. C. Helps when going against another proto squad. D. Most aren't really trying that hard. Teamwork is just that good. Honestly, proto stomps are perfectly acceptable to me. If you want to stomp, go for it. Its your ISK, you spend it how you please. My complaint is that there is no other option for new berries other than to face a proto stomp. No highsec mission area where they can play against the computer in relative peace. They are basically thrown into nullsec pvp. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6763	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:16:00 - [24] - Quote Just because i bring proto into a pub does not mean im trying hard. I bring proto into a pub because i have 7 suits at proto and only 30 fitting slots so i don't have room to fit up standard suits. and i don't care enough about losing ISK. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Golden Day You Can Call Me Daddy 326	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:20:00 - [25] - Quote Running against proto stompers in pubs is really annoying Shields mmmmm.....
wiseguy12 Sector Combat Solutions and Logistics 93	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:22:00 - [26] - Quote People run what they have limited number of fittings is the problem. Have run proto in pubs just because I died in my standard fit simple solution don't kill people. Another solution is you kill the proto enough, most those guys have upwards of 40mil so kill them a few thousand times. Also you could complain on the forums some more that totally isn't on there every single day. I used to be like you but I got better at the game. Now killing proto is easy. I still have a bad K/D. If you mad at proto stomp then listen here don't feed them kills play skirmish proto squads stick together if there is more than one objective they can't be at all of them. Pro Caldari assault and sentinel. Proto magsec, Forgegun, sniper, HMG, and Rail Rifle Onuoto Uakan
Nirwanda Vaughns 1167	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:30:00 - [27] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll I have 2 suits at proto and I never use them. I maxed the skills for the bonus, that's all I need. I'm tired of this "I worked for it, therefore I must use it" mentality. Not pointing fingers, but this seems to be one of the ways we rationalize using proto when we don't need to. Oh they need it for sure! They'd get owned otherwise, and they know it lol! I have 4 proto suits as well, and access to a huge bank. Its no excuse to be running around like a tool in a full proto q sync. I just watched your corp quesync a 50clone ambush last night.. tryhard much? Lol Edit: you still lost... yeah tbh death card did it earlier and still lost a few while runnign their proto. from what i've seen, constantly running proto is making the bigger corps soft. they're getting to comfortable thinking they're invincible when i've noticed a lot of the time now they're really struggling to win the matches. i love running my BPO stuff, nothing more satisfying taking down a proto heavy with your republic ACR on an assault M-I and then watching him come back with 3 logis on him to kill you makes me feel all special Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
benandjerrys NECROM0NGERS 79	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:32:00 - [28] - Quote If you don't understand the limits or fails you make at proto fits how could you use them in situations that actually somewhat matter?
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 1193	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:36:00 - [29] - Quote It's a game. Who cares? I'm used to it now and newbies will get used to it too. Until something by CCP is done.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 1196	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:39:00 - [30] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: People run what they have limited number of fittings is the problem. Have run proto in pubs just because I died in my standard fit simple solution don't kill people. Another solution is you kill the proto enough, most those guys have upwards of 40mil so kill them a few thousand times. Also you could complain on the forums some more that totally isn't on there every single day. I used to be like you but I got better at the game. Now killing proto is easy. I still have a bad K/D. If you mad at proto stomp then listen here don't feed them kills play skirmish proto squads stick together if there is more than one objective they can't be at all of them. Yeah, Skirmish is more dynamic.

THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1286	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:42:00 - [31] - Quote If you have access to prototype gear, and have the ISK for it but you don't use it, you're letting your team down by not bringing the best you can. /thread Dual tanking is for bad players. Come play a better game.
Michael Arck 6097	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:43:00 - [32] - Quote Because they can't make it in PC? They feel like stomping today? Just because? Drunk and need extra protection? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Golden Day You Can Call Me Daddy 336	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:44:00 - [33] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: If you have access to prototype gear, and have the ISK for it but you don't use it, you're letting your team down by not bringing the best you can. /thread Skilled players use Advanced gear to stomp pubs...... Using proto is eaz mode x100000 Shields mmmmm.....
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1054	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:51:00 - [34] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: If you have access to prototype gear, and have the ISK for it but you don't use it, you're letting your team down by not bringing the best you can. /thread This isn't necassarily true. I do just fine in advanced gear in pubs 9/10 times. Not long ago, I joined a random squad (won't name corp) in a pub. After the match was over (we won) the SL asked if I had proto, I said yes. He said "You have to run it if you want to stay in squad." I said "you going to pay me?" He said "No." So I left the squad. Funny thing is, I was number one on the boards the whole match. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 653	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:57:00 - [35] - Quote Because proto gear = End game. Would you use 20lvl armor on 50lvl character? I don't think so. Would you use std stuff when you have 6 proto suits and you can afford to run them because you earned it? Stop complaining and play/don't play. Ps. When i started to play Dust, i was using Cal assault. Everybody used Duvolle with 3x dmg mods. AR and armor were kings, shields were crap. I/others played without complaining on forums. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1054	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:22:00 - [36] - Quote I have all gal suits proto, and mina is next, then who knows but until they release racial heavy weapons or vehicles Im spamming this gear because I have nothing else to do with it. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2384	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:41:00 - [37] - Quote Because i solo and vast majority of my team are idiots. PSN Sil4ntChaozz/Protofits Silent Chaozz SMGs & Pistole & Knife Im Kawaii pajama wearing scout that wrecks
The Eristic Dust 90210 676	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:43:00 - [38] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Because proto gear = End game. Would you use 20lvl armor on 50lvl character? I don't think so. Would you use std stuff when you have 6 proto suits and only 30 fiting room space? Stop complaining and play/don't play. Ah, but pubs are not end game. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 294	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:46:00 - [39] - Quote Some interesting mentalities I've witnessed over the past couple years. #1 "I earned it, I'm entitled to use it even if I have the skills to succeed without it." You still get the bonuses even if you use a lower tier suit. #2 "Who cares, it's a game. I need an excuse not to be conscientious of others." It's always easier to not care, but it is bringing down the game for many. #3 "If you used proto too, there wouldn't be a problem. Get on my level or don't play." While Dust certainly isn't the casual's game, it doesn't justify overkilling those who aren't on your level yet. I don't intend to villainize anyone or point fingers. Humans, by nature, are greedy and will exploit what they can. My point is that it's important to be aware of those who are lesser, and instead of looking down on them and ruining their enjoyment of New Eden, we should be staying out of their way while they progress to a point where they can experience the game on our level. I'm not only referring to new players, I'm also talking about solo veterans like myself who can't stand up to entire squads of proto veterans. Though I suppose we won't have to worry about all this when we get some proper matchmaking and/or meta level based matches. [38.1m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 2] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
Michael Arck 6100	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:49:00 - [40] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Because i solo and vast majority of my team are idiots. Wu Tang taught us all to protect our necks Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16403	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:50:00 - [41] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Why not. They're bored and they can. I never understood this mentality that suggests that everyone should profit from public matches. I'll do my damnedest o ensure that only my team profits. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 653	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:10:00 - [42] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Because proto gear = End game. Would you use 20lvl armor on 50lvl character? I don't think so. Would you use std stuff when you have 6 proto suits and only 30 fiting room space? Stop complaining and play/don't play. Ah, but pubs are not end game. Pubs are end game for half of Dust playerbase. About proto. I forgot to add. It's easier to profit in proto if you know what you're doing. You'll earn more wp [more isks], you have greater chance to live etc. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 413	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:13:00 - [43] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win its not because i care about winning (which i dont) it just makes the match end quicker meaning im getting more ISK and SP per hour
Henrietta Unknown Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 720	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:15:00 - [44] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: If you have access to prototype gear, and have the ISK for it but you don't use it, you're letting your team down by not bringing the best you can. /thread 1. The 5h1t payouts put us on tight budgets. 2. Why bother to help the team last a minute longer but still fail anyway, and lose ISK? Assuming your berries are in something resembling a "team", and not scurrying all over the map while an organized red team sits all happy on the OBJ. Please buff my Magsex. It doesn't hit hard enough...
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 193	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:30:00 - [45] - Quote People are hearing cursing like kids and saying I will do the hell whatever I want. Sadly no man is an Island, if there are no players on the other team you cant kill yourself. If you make the game unbearable for new players then they all live and the game will be dead, all your effort and money (if you spent any) will go to waste. It would be nice if we had tiers of pubs: milita only gear, standard and below, advanced and below, proto and below. Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 645	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:14:00 - [46] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: [quote=Bradric Banewolf] I have different tiers of proto suits. I use them to fit certain things in them that I can't in the adv suit. Some of them I play with for the fun factor. Like 4 codebreakers on an assault suit, etc, etc. Proto suit doesn't mean "I win automatically". I have adv suit(s) that mofos should cry about more than most of my proto fits. Exactly! I don't get your point here if I clearly stated the adv suits were more to be worried about? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 646	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:19:00 - [47] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Sergeant Sazu wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because they want to use what they worked hard to get? I don't use proto in pubs cause im cheap, but let others use whatever they have. p.s. your such a damn troll I have 2 suits at proto and I never use them. I maxed the skills for the bonus, that's all I need. I'm tired of this "I worked for it, therefore I must use it" mentality. Not pointing fingers, but this seems to be one of the ways we rationalize using proto when we don't need to. Oh they need it for sure! They'd get owned otherwise, and they know it lol! I have 4 proto suits as well, and access to a huge bank. Its no excuse to be running around like a tool in a full proto q sync. I just watched your corp quesync a 50clone ambush last night.. tryhard much? Lol Edit: you still lost... And we've beaten q syncs with 6 guys and newbs. Can't say whether I was there or not, but anyone can tell you that I'm against q syncs. Also, you won't see us running full proto with 12 guys it's ubsurd, and not needed. PC is the only place where we ever run a full team of proto. Attempts to discredit are a pure form of flattery. Thank you, but I'm not running around with guys in full proto in an ambush smh. It's a waste of isk, and bush is too unpredictable. "Anybody order chaos?"
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 350	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:26:00 - [48] - Quote FW is just pubs with lots of waiting and no ISK. I don't have my own district so PC is just pubs for me too, only with extra ISK. If you're not trying hard then why are you even playing? You're just a liability to your teammates if you don't even try.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 646	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:29:00 - [49] - Quote I will say this, and I think it's fair. You can run what you want sure enough, but once they're sniping in the redline.... I mean come on mate? "Anybody order chaos?"
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 1581	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:49:00 - [50] - Quote So what am I supposed to spend my billion isk on? Making the merc quarters pretty? Wooing Jara into my tiny metal bed? I have 9 Proto suits. And a s**tonne of isk. Why am I not going to use them? I do enjoy running BPO only though, I'll run my Templar fit regularly, and still pull good scores. But the rest of the time theyre my fun fits. Besides, I PC pretty much daily, and that barely dents my isk so ive got to use it on something. At the end of the day yes its annoying, yes its a pain to play against, but if you were in my position, im pretty sure you would too. "Why build ontop of foundations that aren't solid?"* Pilot & Assault. Complete twat.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5321	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:55:00 - [51] - Quote Capture the flag would solve all our problems.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1445	Posted - 2015.01.04 06:38:00 - [52] - Quote I assume PRO equipment is immune? Simply because you need a PRO rep tool to compete with a BASIC weapon. Plus,i assume players like being refilled faster and being rezzed with more eHP. And they like more accurate scans and faster spawns amirite? Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
o'o Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 50	Posted - 2015.01.04 07:24:00 - [53] - Quote Because what's the point of unlocking proto and not being able to use it? Not everybody has an opportunity for PC and I doubt they want to be running FW all day. I've got proto damps unlocked.. I can afford to run them whenever I want.. Should I slap on some militia damps instead because I'm in a pub? Ha. Same if I'm running with a squad, if the objective isn't ours and we want to take it back.. We're going to take it back. If my squad mates want to run proto so we can have faster uplinks and needles that don't leave us with little to no health you won't see me complaining. Same goes for the other team. Tldr; it's just proto. There's always proto on both teams. Deal with it. Taking out tanks and heavys, with a set of knives.
Golden Day You Can Call Me Daddy 400	Posted - 2015.01.04 07:28:00 - [54] - Quote o'o wrote: Because what's the point of unlocking proto and not being able to use it? Not everybody has an opportunity for PC and I doubt they want to be running FW all day. I've got proto damps unlocked.. I can afford to run them whenever I want.. Should I slap on some militia damps instead because I'm in a pub? Ha. Same if I'm running with a squad, if the objective isn't ours and we want to take it back.. We're going to take it back. If my squad mates want to run proto so we can have faster uplinks and needles that don't leave us with little to no health you won't see me complaining. Same goes for the other team. Tldr; it's just proto. There's always proto on both teams. Deal with it. Im not going to deal with broken match making and scottys driinking problems Shields mmmmm.....
Nestil SWARMYARD 202	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:50:00 - [55] - Quote the problem is not proto players in general. if I have a match with 3-6 individual proto players, I can hunt them down as easy as every other player. but the assclowns I have to face every god damn day I play are flocking together in 6-10 proto player groups. they have eyes everywhere and scan in all directions (mostly not a problem for me when I run dampeners)...but even when I manage to down 1 or 2 of them the rest of them will just turn around and insta- vaporize me. and if I didn't managed to bleed them out in these very few seconds I have after killing them, they'll just get revived...so resulting that I lost a suit in a suicide mission and them not losing their proto suit which puts me in a worser position..
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1638	Posted - 2015.01.04 09:09:00 - [56] - Quote I fluctuate tiers based on the enemy. If they're terrible I stick to my proto. If I'm solo I run proto. If I'm in a full squad I use proto. If they're really good I use proto. If they're the best players in the game I use proto. If there's a contest for the most kills with a militia sidearm, I use proto. So it varies from situation to situation. Hero of the Amarrinese. Wheeee!
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:22:00 - [57] - Quote Proto gear isn't the problem. Proto syncs/squads, is the problem. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3682	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:28:00 - [58] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: [quote=Bradric Banewolf] I have different tiers of proto suits. I use them to fit certain things in them that I can't in the adv suit. Some of them I play with for the fun factor. Like 4 codebreakers on an assault suit, etc, etc. Proto suit doesn't mean "I win automatically". I have adv suit(s) that mofos should cry about more than most of my proto fits. Exactly! I don't get your point here if I clearly stated the adv suits were more to be worried about? It could be that I'm agreeing with you ;) Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
austintrain No Skillz inc. 7	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:33:00 - [59] - Quote personally, i use proto suits (when i can afford to) because i'm terrible at DUST. me in a proto suit, is like your [below] average player in militia gear. OP - i really don't know what a "try hard" is. should i not try? is it not a competitive game? i'm confused.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 655	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:34:00 - [60] - Quote Nestil wrote: the problem is not proto players in general. if I have a match with 3-6 individual proto players, I can hunt them down as easy as every other player. but the assclowns I have to face every god damn day I play are flocking together in 6-10 proto player groups. they have eyes everywhere and scan in all directions (mostly not a problem for me when I run dampeners)...but even when I manage to down 1 or 2 of them the rest of them will just turn around and insta- vaporize me. and if I didn't managed to bleed them out in these very few seconds I have after killing them, they'll just get revived...so resulting that I lost a suit in a suicide mission and them not losing their proto suit which puts me in a worser position.. You're blaming teamwork, you know? If they would be in adv suits, they would still manage to do that. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves

Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 674	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:45:00 - [61] - Quote Pc is crap that's why. There is no orginazed corp battles ( game mode ) So there is 1 or 2 pc every now and then where 16 players can take part and there is ffw where q sinking is a pain And there is pub War never changes
Nestil Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 203	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:25:00 - [62] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Nestil wrote: the problem is not proto players in general. if I have a match with 3-6 individual proto players, I can hunt them down as easy as every other player. but the assclowns I have to face every god damn day I play are flocking together in 6-10 proto player groups. they have eyes everywhere and scan in all directions (mostly not a problem for me when I run dampeners)...but even when I manage to down 1 or 2 of them the rest of them will just turn around and insta- vaporize me. and if I didn't managed to bleed them out in these very few seconds I have after killing them, they'll just get revived...so resulting that I lost a suit in a suicide mission and them not losing their proto suit which puts me in a worser position.. You're blaming teamwork, you know? If they would be in adv suits, they would still manage to do that. that was one of my points. but proto gives them an edge of taking longer to kill and dealing more damage in return. I can kill 4 militia players (not academy noobs) flocking together. I think dust514 needs a mode were ppl can't join with squads and ppl from the same corp will put into different teams.
Duke Noobiam The Dukes of Death 324	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:36:00 - [63] - Quote I brought this up in the features and ideas forums asking for meta level lockout to be a high priority feature. Sadly even the CPM seem to think that protostomping in pubs is acceptable, or at the very least refused to admit that meta lockout would be a step in the right direction. The responses in this thread only substantiate my arguments that this needs to be implemented asap. New player retention has to be addressed if we want this game to last a little longer or if we want to have a chance of it being ported to the PS4. The only item on the roadmap that addresses this is meta level lockout.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 591	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:01:00 - [64] - Quote Because they need proto to win. No. Really. They do. I have been in way too many matches where everyone starts out with MLT, STD and maybe even ADV gear. But as soon as one side starts to loose, they whip out their proto gear. Which is sad. I see many people in the forums saying that "Proto is not OP teamwork is" but you see them always running proto (cuddos to those who don't) This mentality of "I earned it and I will use it" good for you. Now, how does it feel to be steam rolling on New Berries fresh out of the academy that have little to no chance against you even if you were using MLT gear? CCP should take away the KDR stat from the game. Not only does it promote this type of gameplay but also provides more FOTM just so that people keep a positive FOTM. The mentality of "I will use my Proto gear to ensure victory" it speaks for itself. They need their proto gear to stay competitive. I can stay competitive in my STD 'Quafe' Gallente Assault with my 'Exile' Assault rifle, going positive and also doing my darn hardest to capture points, defend areas and make sure my team is not camping any CRU or Uplink. If you feel like you need Proto gear to stay competitive in PUBS then this game is not for you. Only time I will ever use my proto suit is when I want to test out this new build I made or when I go to GFW. Other than that 'Quafe'GalAss with 'Exile' all day long. Changes to Damage mods!
Mad Kras SVER True Blood 165	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:05:00 - [65] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because people wan't to have fun and winning is always more fun than loosing. Every person with some experience can actually run proto so why complaining? Would you keep your Aston Martin closed in the garage just beacause others can't afford it? Arrogance and sarcasm lvl 5
wiseguy12 Sector Combat Solutions and Logistics 95	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:12:00 - [66] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: I brought this up in the features and ideas forums asking for meta level lockout to be a high priority feature. Sadly even the CPM seem to think that protostomping in pubs is acceptable, or at the very least refused to admit that meta lockout would be a step in the right direction. The responses in this thread only substantiate my arguments that this needs to be implemented asap. New player retention has to be addressed if we want this game to last a little longer or if we want to have a chance of it being ported to the PS4. The only item on the roadmap that addresses this is meta level lockout. You can't base gameplay on meta level. Half the community doesn't even know meta level exist. Proto stomp is a part of the game and I bet half the people here don't run in close squads and everyone adv. Stomps to a new player that is just as bad. If not worse because it is cheap protos risk more. Pro Caldari assault and sentinel. Proto magsec, Forgegun, sniper, HMG, and Rail Rifle Onuoto Uakan
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 591	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:15:00 - [67] - Quote Mad Kras wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because people wan't to have fun and winning is always more fun than loosing. Every person with some experience can actually run proto so why complaining? Would you keep your Aston Martin closed in the garage just beacause others can't afford it? When it starts threatning the population of the area I live in, yeah. Also you would be stupid to own a car like that. It just screams "rob me rob me!" Changes to Damage mods!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1443	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:17:00 - [68] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Ok, so would you rather people only use BPO suits, not squad, and intentionally miss targets, not snipe / use mass drivers & HMGs, no grenades or RE's, not revive, not rep, only throw uplink in exposed areas so that everyone has a shot at you when spawn, randomly place nano hives around the map? I'm just joking with a bit - not messing with you too much. I can understand you asking about meta gear tiers in some pub matches but it's just not really feasible to make a statement about not playing competitively. As they say...you play to win the game. As for proto squads: I can't advocate in any way for not using teamwork. The game for all it's faults has firmly gotten the fact that teamwork I can be the deciding factor in just about every situation. I can see the idea that perhaps Ambush gamemode offers a "no squad" mode...use the no-vehicle mode and add the addendum of no squads as well but I wouldn't take it much further than that at the moment. Using proto gear seams to be your biggest beef and truthfully i don't know what to tell you on this. I absolutely acknowledge that it can be a frustrating experience as a newer player to run into a squad of X corp in full proto gear in a match. I think it's also pretty clear that whether they are running proto gear or not that squad would probably steamroll anyway and the end result and player scores probably wouldn't change that much. My question back to you is why wouldn't some one with 50mil plus SP and maintains 600mil plus ISK in the wallet at all times NOT want to run proto gear whenever they choose? Is it because we want to protect rookie players from the predations of veterans? That's not really reflective in anyway of CCPs New Eden IP or a lot of MMOs for that matter. I can see turning pubs into more a high-sec style area that limits you to ADV gear. FW should stay free for all and in fact they need to add a legitimate team deploy option to FW. Let me be clear though...it won't change the "stomping" nearly as much as you think it will. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2934	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:20:00 - [69] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Its like listening to tiny Tim: Oh please sir, would you mind putting a little less effort into this game, its not fun for all you know.... You and your band of misfits are some of the worst protostmpers I have encounter through the years. I have respect for powerh8er as he uses what ever fits the engagement from what I have seen, but the rest of you throw as much as you have even against clearly new players with no co-ordination, while you work together in a decent squad. Now you are free to do as you please, of course! But dont be surprised when players look at that and think less of you. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 124	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:33:00 - [70] - Quote Mad Kras wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because people wan't to have fun and winning is always more fun than loosing. Every person with some experience can actually run proto so why complaining? Would you keep your Aston Martin closed in the garage just beacause others can't afford it? No they keep it garaged, because of my ZL1.

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2935	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:43:00 - [71] - Quote Mad Kras wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because people wan't to have fun and winning is always more fun than loosing. Every person with some experience can actually run proto so why complaining? Would you keep your Aston Martin closed in the garage just beacause others can't afford it? That has got to be one of the most absurd comparisons I have ever read. Not only are you talking about real life and cars..... using a nice car does not detract from other road users fun does it? If guy A. was to drive around in his Aston, it makes absolutely no difference to guy B. having fun in his first car driving around in a 1.2 litre Ford Fiesta. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 199	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:47:00 - [72] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Mad Kras wrote: Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win Because people wan't to have fun and winning is always more fun than loosing. Every person with some experience can actually run proto so why complaining? Would you keep your Aston Martin closed in the garage just beacause others can't afford it? That has got to be one of the most absurd comparisons I have ever read. Not only are you talking about real life and cars..... using a nice car does not detract from other road users fun does it? If guy A. was to drive around in his Aston, it makes absolutely no difference to guy B. having fun in his first car driving around in a 1.2 litre Ford Fiesta. Haha its more like having a super expensive fog maker in your garage. Yes its expensive and cool but you are making it difficult for any other driver to see Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 237	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:02:00 - [73] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Its not PC or FW I don't understand why you must bring in proto squads and try your hardest to win If you play ambush regulary on the US servers, you should have run into the corp called Carne Corne Papas or something similar: Some of their players feature in the top 20 on the leaderboard... This corp was only set-up to fight in ambush 23.5 hours a day... In an email exchange with one of them recently, he said he hoped to be top of the board by May. These players won't be going away. Switch servers, leave the battle, play another game mode until they sort out match making.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14290	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:18:00 - [74] - Quote I use Proto 24/7 and my wallet keeps growing. If I can afford to run it, why wouldn't it? Give me one good reason why I shouldn't extract maximum tears using the gear I earned? Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2938	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:42:00 - [75] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I use Proto 24/7 and my wallet keeps growing. If I can afford to run it, why wouldn't it? Give me one good reason why I shouldn't extract maximum tears using the gear I earned? Does the overall health of the game and retention of new players count? (In light of the way DUST actually works, not how we wish it works) Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2749	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:51:00 - [76] - Quote @ CommanderBolt LOL "Band of misfits" - best description of TRE I have seen to date. + 1 Anyone half decent can protostomp the plebs, the trick is to "stomp the stompers", which we occationally do very well. And for my own part, except for the very rare occational trolling fit I simply have not run anything but proto since launch. I never have any non proto suits fitted at the ready, they just do not sort of excist in my "vocabulary", so to speak. Maybe one day when I get low on ISK (Mua ha ha ha ha ha) I will consider using adv suits, not very likely I must admit. Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 589	Posted - 2015.01.04 20:20:00 - [77] - Quote i try so hard in my militia gear ^.^ its OP man however if you annoy me ill proto stomp ya o7 happy hunting If its not anime, its not real
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2208	Posted - 2015.01.04 20:27:00 - [78] - Quote Trying to win is the default setting for any team game. It is those that aren't trying to win that owe the rest of us an explanation.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2829	Posted - 2015.01.04 21:33:00 - [79] - Quote "Why are people try hards in Pubs...." I try hard because I like to win. It's just that simple.
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 591	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:26:00 - [80] - Quote the aim of the game is to win, of course people are going to try to win. smh If its not anime, its not real

Golden Day Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 458	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:40:00 - [81] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: the aim of the game is to win, of course people are going to try to win. smh I know i know But when i said try hard i meant try hard try hard......those people who run around with 2 logis armor tanked with a officer weapon.... Shields mmmmm.....
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 592	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:44:00 - [82] - Quote Golden Day wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: the aim of the game is to win, of course people are going to try to win. smh I know i know But when i said try hard i meant try hard try hard......those people who run around with 2 logis armor tanked with a officer weapon.... meh i normally save my officer weapons for cfw coz the other team nearly always wins If its not anime, its not real
Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1118	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:59:00 - [83] - Quote Explain to me how using proto makes people quit playing the game. When I started playing proto was 10x as powerful as it is now and I only had a MLT submachine gun with horrible hit detection (original min logi). It only made me want to get gud more, not to quit. On top, many of the recent (ish) updates have been to shrink the gap between STD and proto gear. I'm gonna use proto gear when I want and wherever I want. You have three options when you run into me. 1. Die like everyone else 2. Get gud and kill me Or 3. Run (back when I was a newbie, when I saw red eyes I'd turn and run the other direction. There's no shame in choosing to engage players of equal skill /gear)
Golden Day Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 458	Posted - 2015.01.04 23:05:00 - [84] - Quote Or i can log off and wait till feb until a new match making thingy is out Shields mmmmm.....


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