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Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13582	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:45:00 - [1] - Quote I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 112	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:48:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? I saw a tank like that relatively recently, shield tanked Gunnlogi had a Prof V Minmando Wyrkomi firing at it, a PLC on a Gallmando and an 80GJ Railgun firing at it...it just refused to die...might just have been bad hit detection/hit application server side (we did finally take it down with 3 simultaneous jihad jeeps...and then we called in an OB on where it died...just to be sure) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 994	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote I've seen several of those running around. Try proxies. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2671	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:55:00 - [4] - Quote 2x complex heavy extender and 1x hardener gives about 11k ehp against explosive damage. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Symbioticforks Kinsho Swords Caldari State 970	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:07:00 - [5] - Quote Get IWS on the case, he'll !#@$ that !@#% right up. You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1849	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:08:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? See also: Havel the Rock. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6128	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:11:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Everyday basis: tanker:'' OMG Swarms kill me in 4 volleys Buaaaaah nerf swarms , they are too easy mode TT..TT and they have like UBER homing capabilities Q.Q and kill everything'' Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5395	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:22:00 - [8] - Quote And this is why we need an AV weapon with a laser damage profile. My advice to you, playa...
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 688	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:27:00 - [9] - Quote The tank was strafing... DUAHhhhh... I hear them shields will get heavy batteries soon so make them not strafe as hard to troll you. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Grimmiers 734	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:38:00 - [10] - Quote Passive reps need to be lowered and active reps should have a downside to using them like lower speed, or damage. We need points for vehicle repair back along with functional logi vehicles. Then we can balance av damage including turrets to make tanks more survivable, but with a need to run away, or repair somewhere. I would even let some small arms fire do decent damage to vehicles like breach weapons, or a laser rifle. It's the same thing with a triple rep armor tank vs a plasma cannon where you can't make a dent into it to even scare it off.

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14199	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:43:00 - [11] - Quote 2 Shield Hardeners and 1 Shield Extender. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote What was your suit? Sky whale mating rituals!! Go home Damage Indicator, you're drunk Good, good... let the nanites flow through you
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1528	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:56:00 - [13] - Quote Proof of Caldari vehicle superiority! *I spit at yer Quafe.*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13583	Posted - 2014.12.08 16:04:00 - [14] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: What was your suit? Also, did he have a hardener on? Galmando, damage modded. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2859	Posted - 2014.12.08 16:04:00 - [15] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Proof of Caldari vehicle superiority! Sadly, yes. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 226	Posted - 2014.12.08 16:14:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2681	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:01:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Its funny you say that. I mean swarms are not known for their high anti shield capabilities right. However the plasma cannon is and in FW the other day me and two others were fighting a Gunloggi and my god he took so much punishment! He had myself with a KLA going at him, someone else with another plasma cannon going at him and a 3rd person firing swarms and he took so much punishment over the course of a few mins before he finally died. WHAT IS THIS UNICORN FIT GUNNLOGI PILOTS? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 453	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:16:00 - [18] - Quote lol. One time in FW I was engaging a Gal tank and since I was on my Caldari Rail gun tank the stupid eve pilot from there side called his OB and instead of killing me which He didn't, he killed his friendly tank xD Thank you 75 WP xD This is why you should never call in a OB when two tanks fight. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 173	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:33:00 - [19] - Quote I spent a whole game battling one of these tanks. I'd hit him with the plc, both exo packed grenades, and he would run over the proxies and he would be completely repped before i could reload. He then sent me a mail calling me a scrub. Eh whatever i thanked him for the wp
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4344	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:43:00 - [20] - Quote I've encountered a tank like that a few months ago. It was as if my PLC rounds did nothing to it. Stupid tank... I hate you.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:26:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? It's called two extenders and a hardener coupled with a proto plate. 9-10K EHP with the -20% damage modifier shields natural get plus its 40% shield resistance...... yup I just ignore proto swarms as well, and AV nades, and forges, etc. Oh and did I forget to mention its insane fitting capacity, 168 rep sec after 3-4 seconds, great mobility options, and ability to also fit a proto type turret. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:43:00 - [22] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game. I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free. This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50. However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad. Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher. Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
General John Ripper 26403	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:46:00 - [23] - Quote If only cpm judge was around to fix vehicles. I am an idea.
Immortal John Ripper 26405	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:46:00 - [24] - Quote If only cpm judge was around to fix vehicles. I am an idea.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13590	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:47:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game. I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free. This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50. However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad. Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher. Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing. I had my swarm launcher because I was mainly hunting a blaster madrugar that was annoying me. That gunnlogi was pinning down my ADS air support, so I tried to at least make him run. He didn't even care. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3854	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:53:00 - [26] - Quote You're used to armor tanks.. That 80/120 quite the difference? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:01:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game. I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free. This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50. However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad. Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher. Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing. I had my swarm launcher because I was mainly hunting a blaster madrugar that was annoying me. That gunnlogi was pinning down my ADS air support, so I tried to at least make him run. He didn't even care. That's about right you are really seeing that 80/120 values vs Shield/Armour and in the current climate of HAV the Shield HAV does everything the old Armour HAV used to be able to do and its own role better. Another part of the reason most Shield HAV wont care is their natural passive regen which is currently too high if we could cut this down to a modifiable value around 24-30 damage applied to shield HAV will stay be more cumulative and require longer absences from the battlefield. Another reason why a lot of interested parties are trying to push for vehicle rebalance and readjustment so that this can be prevented however in order to fix internal problems in the vehicles tree we need infantry to HTFU up for a month or two so we can get Rattati's ear. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2244	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:12:00 - [28] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: And this is why we need an AV weapon with a laser damage profile. Indeed. I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 229	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:30:00 - [29] - Quote Its not even about damage profiles. HAVs are overpowered and AV cannot compete without a ton of AV alpha striking the tank to death before it can move around a corner or duck behind a hill. Meanwhile any infantry including AV can be absolutely slaughtered by a tanker with any brains at all. The "anti vehicle" rail turret absolutely wrecks infantry with a little target practice, and the HP totals make it so stupidly difficult to kill vehicles that the pilot has to be braindead to die. There is no balance to V vs. AV as long as a forge gunner has to hit a tank 4 times to kill even the worst fit tank, and even the worst rail turret around can kill a forge gunner in 2 hits. The reality of the situation is that the Madruger sucks right now (sucks compared to the Gunnlogi, not compared to AV) because its natural turret (blaster) was overnerfed and because armor hardeners got nerfed into the ground. Its still damn near invincible to AV if fitted well, even if it is food for any rail gunnlogi with a halfway decent fit. AV sucks against vehicles, it sucks against infantry. The funniest part is that AV actually has a better chance of killing infantry than it does of killing vehicles, **** is completely backwards. Vehicles are completely dominant over infantry and can still beat the heck out of their in game counter (AV). This is not balanced. Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. Yes if this happens vehicles should cost alot less. Yes it will be so sad that it doesnt take 3+ AV to take down a good tank. But it will be balanced. Meanwhile I will continue to log on to my vehicle alt every few days to play a few games in my gunnlogi with my friends in my small turrets. Its boring to do it every day but it really is fun turning on god mode every now and then and run around one shotting everyone with the proto rail turret while any vehicle that comes against us gets absolutely wrecked by all our damage output and we rack up massive amounts of war points from all the absurd vehicle assists/kill assists/squad commendations system. 2 Enhanced extenders, 1 shield hardener (I think its enhanced), 2 rail turret ammo extensions, 2 adv. railgun turrets, 1 proto railgun turret, Im sure someone could make a better fit, but why bother when it demolishes everything that tries to fight it? We've even beaten double gunnlogis coming at us in a game until they ragequit a few minutes in (I think they werent very good pilots though). Tanks are a bad joke. The whole V vs. AV dynamic needs to be entirely overhauled with a new concept of how disposable vehicles are and how vehicles should be used.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3854	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:33:00 - [30] - Quote Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 517	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:42:00 - [31] - Quote Most of the AV guesswork (Looking at you Atiim ) is flat out wrong. Proto AV swarms will hurt a single hardened gunlogi plenty enough to make them run. If your story is true, there are two possible fits 2 hardener 1 shield extender Never going to break through that. But considering the duration, it was more likely Hardener extender booster Take a couple hits, when your shield goes too far down vs swarms, activate hardener, take a bit more damage, then throw up booster: That way even if you had him at less than half shields, when the booster goes up you are back at square one, and the tanker has more time to escape. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 517	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:48:00 - [32] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. You know where you can shove your "respect." Three XT-1 missiles to kill a heavy/ three forge rounds to kill a dropship. 3 remotes and a flux to kill any tank. If only infantry had acess to giant installation with 12 hitpoints with free large turrets and unlimited ammo... really dude, get good. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:54:00 - [33] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Its not even about damage profiles. HAVs are overpowered and AV cannot compete without a ton of AV alpha striking the tank to death before it can move around a corner or duck behind a hill. Meanwhile any infantry including AV can be absolutely slaughtered by a tanker with any brains at all. The "anti vehicle" rail turret absolutely wrecks infantry with a little target practice, and the HP totals make it so stupidly difficult to kill vehicles that the pilot has to be braindead to die. There is no balance to V vs. AV as long as a forge gunner has to hit a tank 4 times to kill even the worst fit tank, and even the worst rail turret around can kill a forge gunner in 2 hits. The reality of the situation is that the Madruger sucks right now (sucks compared to the Gunnlogi, not compared to AV) because its natural turret (blaster) was overnerfed and because armor hardeners got nerfed into the ground. Its still damn near invincible to AV if fitted well, even if it is food for any rail gunnlogi with a halfway decent fit. AV sucks against vehicles, it sucks against infantry. The funniest part is that AV actually has a better chance of killing infantry than it does of killing vehicles, **** is completely backwards. Vehicles are completely dominant over infantry and can still beat the heck out of their in game counter (AV). This is not balanced. Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. Yes if this happens vehicles should cost alot less. Yes it will be so sad that it doesnt take 3+ AV to take down a good tank. But it will be balanced. Meanwhile I will continue to log on to my vehicle alt every few days to play a few games in my gunnlogi with my friends in my small turrets. Its boring to do it every day but it really is fun turning on god mode every now and then and run around one shotting everyone with the proto rail turret while any vehicle that comes against us gets absolutely wrecked by all our damage output and we rack up massive amounts of war points from all the absurd vehicle assists/kill assists/squad commendations system. 2 Enhanced extenders, 1 shield hardener (I think its enhanced), 2 rail turret ammo extensions, 2 adv. railgun turrets, 1 proto railgun turret, Im sure someone could make a better fit, but why bother when it demolishes everything that tries to fight it? We've even beaten double gunnlogis coming at us in a game until they ragequit a few minutes in (I think they werent very good pilots though). Tanks are a bad joke. The whole V vs. AV dynamic needs to be entirely overhauled with a new concept of how disposable vehicles are and how vehicles should be used. As I've said before you are asking for something that cannot or will not happen until Rattati actually sits down and engages pilots and AV.... he said he might be doing this but currently there is no sign of this starting. The trick as I see it is to allow HAV the flexibility and given the a role on the battlefield which allows then to engage other tanks, vehicles, and objectives as their primary focus and with a secondary focus on infantry units if threatened. We also need to know what kinds of skill tree and tiered variations/specialisations of Tank hulls we can expect before we can get to balancing properly. Before we start talking EHP nerfs I'd rather approach HAV rebalancing by standardising mobility values, adjusting and slowing acceleration, adjusting their regenerative capacities (mainly so that damage applied stays applied for longer and so that is) heck even proper barrel sway would be nice. In previous builds AV dealt less damage per shot and HAV had more EHP....yet AV dominated the field I want to find our what it was about the old pre 1.6 model and return to a V vs AV climate like that. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 178	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:55:00 - [34] - Quote Just out of curiosity, how much does one of these tanks cost?
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 229	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:00:00 - [35] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. You know where you can shove your "respect." Three XT-1 missiles to kill a heavy/ three forge rounds to kill a dropship. 3 remotes and a flux to kill any tank. If only infantry had acess to giant installation with 12 hitpoints with free large turrets and unlimited ammo... really dude, get good. Since when are the current large missile turrets anti infantry? You are really going to complain about not being able to kill a heavy unless you hit him 3 times when you have like 9 (or whatever, I dont use large missiles much) more missiles in your clip? And yes I agree forge vs. dropship is much more balanced, but if your dropship is getting killed by 3 shots of anything but a breach forge gun, you need to refit. And are you seriously telling me to get good while you're implying that you regularly get killed by remotes and turret installations? Remotes: Use your ears. No one should ever be able to attach more than one remote to you. The only time a remote should ever kill you is if a jihad jeep rams them into your tank or if there is a bunch of other AV pecking at you and the remote gets the last hit. Installations? I mean wow, you get killed by immobile installations that spawn in the same spot in every match? I dont even. The only time I ever die to either of them is if I'm not paying attention at all. Unlike most tankers I am perfectly comfortable saying it was my fault, not some imbalance in the game, especially since the rest of my game experience both in and out of tanks points directly to the opposite: that tanks are incredibly imbalanced and overpowered. Hell the only time I remember being killed by non-jihad remotes in the past year is when my friend was trolling me by throwing equipment near my tank so I kept moving, until I finally started ignoring it and sure enough some scout came along and got me. Again my mistake because I stopped moving away from equipment drops.
Her Nibs G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:06:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? We tested my swarms against the "Shield Tank". Shields up...not much damage, even throwing 2 Lai Dai's did very little. BUT, the minute the shield was down, BOOOM, 2 vollies. I also tried Proxies and they too had little effect on the tank. All you can do is keep hunting and lay in wait for your prey to run out of shield hardeners. BTW I cost the tanker 8000m while I was testing. Glorious. LOL OOPS, I'm sorry. Did I just blow up your Python
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15597	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:07:00 - [37] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Just out of curiosity, how much does one of these tanks cost? My current one? 700,000 ISK But you can make significantly cheaper ones these days. Pre 1.7 each tank was a 1.5-3 Million ISK investment (and that was bad ass!) *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1628	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:26:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? was it stoned spy hiding in the redline with a 6644 shield gunnlogi...something stupid like that, absolute coward. DUST VIDEOS
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2682	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:31:00 - [39] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. I for one would hate to see tanks nerfed even in the slightest. It was a refreshing change to come up against a tank that had some real tank. People saying that AV is underpowered right now are for lack of a better term, fools. Please dont mistake our awe of a well fit tank as a call to have them nerfed. NO. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 229	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:37:00 - [40] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. I for one would hate to see tanks nerfed even in the slightest. It was a refreshing change to come up against a tank that had some real tank. People saying that AV is underpowered right now are for lack of a better term, fools. Please dont mistake our awe of a well fit tank as a call to have them nerfed. NO. So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15597	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:50:00 - [41] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? was it stoned spy hiding in the redline with a 6644 shield gunnlogi...something stupid like that, absolute coward. Y'know someone should tell him that he'd get better EHP values with 2 Complex Extenders and 1 Hardener..... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15597	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:55:00 - [42] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. I for one would hate to see tanks nerfed even in the slightest. It was a refreshing change to come up against a tank that had some real tank. People saying that AV is underpowered right now are for lack of a better term, fools. Please dont mistake our awe of a well fit tank as a call to have them nerfed. NO. So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced. Indeed Gunnlogi's are imbalanced but primarily so because a.) Too few AV options are anti Shield and no current options offer 2000+ damage values like the Forgegun does for armour HAV b.) Passive reps are too effective right now. c.) Their fitting capacity allows them to stack armour if they choose not to roll small turrets. Which is why I am asking Rattati to consider adjusting these values when he starts to look at tanks. You'd be damn wrong to assume that there are pilots out there overlooking how powerful Gunlogi are right now. I want to bring armour HAV back into usability and bring Gunnlogi/ Shield HAV to and equally competitive level which functions differently to armour HAV. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4972	Posted - 2014.12.08 20:58:00 - [43] - Quote Swarms? Lol Use the Plasma Cannon.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15597	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:09:00 - [44] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Swarms? Lol Use the Plasma Cannon. Yeah never get to arrogant with those bloody things. Ceej almost wrecked me the other day in a Scout suit because I underestimated the PLC and how its bonuses somewhat negate Shield hardeners. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 340	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:17:00 - [45] - Quote Atiim wrote: 2 Shield Hardeners and 1 Shield Extender. More likely than anything it was this fit the tank used. Does infantry have a shield-based AV weapon? Flux grenades count 1.10 will kill stealthy scouts time to respec into an assault :D
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15598	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:19:00 - [46] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Atiim wrote: 2 Shield Hardeners and 1 Shield Extender. More likely than anything it was this fit the tank used. Does infantry have a shield-based AV weapon? Flux grenades count Plasma Cannon is essentially the only other Anti Shield AV weapon. Also for reference do Fluxes have their damage affected by shield hardeners or do they ignore them entirely? *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Lloyd Orfay Kinsho Swords Caldari State 260	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:35:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Could've been me. I have two advanced heavy shield extenders on my tank. Speccing into shield modules for vehicles is a good bargain, since almost every AV method is effective to armour. My shield tank has 4600+ HP and I can even get it to reach 5000+ and with this HP even plasma cannons can't really hurt me(At 5k hp it does barely a quarter of damage depending on the plasma cannon tier) It's actually a good thing, since the majority of AV methods are overpowered(it's also hard to fight infantry with MLT turrets and sometimes because the tank can't look down. If one isn't working, try another.) Plus, vehicles can keep the battle going in terms of distraction/ team defense/ anti- rooftopcamping as you can shoot DS down(good for rooftop camping and otherwise unfair) etc. "Scout" An ancient Terran word. In their tounge, this notorious word has the meaning of "useless parasite"
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 619	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:41:00 - [48] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Lupus Wolf wrote: What was your suit? Also, did he have a hardener on? Galmando, damage modded. lol scrub. So you thought a single damage modded swarm launcher will do any good vs a shield tank? You either take a tripple damage modded calmando or a damage modded minmando. Both have the best damage output for swarms (caldari only cause of 3X damage mods). So you sir are officially a scrub, a hardcore scrub to be precise. Take some dignity and use a plasma cannon on your galmando cause for that you get damage bonus for. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15598	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:43:00 - [49] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Could've been me. I have two advanced heavy shield extenders on my tank. Speccing into shield modules for vehicles is a good bargain, since almost every AV method is effective to armour. My shield tank has 4600+ HP and I can even get it to reach 5000+ and with this HP even plasma cannons can't really hurt me(At 5k hp it does barely a quarter of damage depending on the plasma cannon tier) It's actually a good thing, since the majority of AV methods are overpowered(it's also hard to fight infantry with MLT turrets and sometimes because the tank can't look down. If one isn't working, try another.) Plus, vehicles can keep the battle going in terms of distraction/ team defense/ anti- rooftopcamping as you can shoot DS down(good for rooftop camping and otherwise unfair) etc. Hardener on it might to a quarter.... I kinda wish PLC did more damage for how tricky they are to use. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 229	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:44:00 - [50] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Lupus Wolf wrote: What was your suit? Also, did he have a hardener on? Galmando, damage modded. lol scrub. So you thought a single damage modded swarm launcher will do any good vs a shield tank? You either take a tripple damage modded calmando or a damage modded minmando. Both have the best damage output for swarms (caldari only cause of 3X damage mods). So you sir are officially a scrub, a hardcore scrub to be precise. Take some dignity and use a plasma cannon on your galmando cause for that you get damage bonus for. Just so everyone knows, this is bullshit. I have triple damage modded caldari commando and Ive used it against this fit of tank, it doesnt do jack. Even if it did, the idea that you have to have the absolute best optimized fit to even have a weapon capable of killing something is a really good indicator that the weapon is dramatically underpowered or what you are using it on is dramatically overpowered. In any case it doesnt actually work, which is an even better indicator. Edited to add: inb4 some jackass claims that you just have to use the MINMITAR commando, THATS the one that works, thats the ticket! Also bullshit.

Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3856	Posted - 2014.12.08 22:06:00 - [51] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. I for one would hate to see tanks nerfed even in the slightest. It was a refreshing change to come up against a tank that had some real tank. People saying that AV is underpowered right now are for lack of a better term, fools. Please dont mistake our awe of a well fit tank as a call to have them nerfed. NO. So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced. Try a forge mate. Or maybe don't try to solo it from a rooftop? If you were in a lav it wouldn't have time to get outta range now would it? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15598	Posted - 2014.12.08 22:07:00 - [52] - Quote I've just compared the Kubo's to the current Allotek...... perhaps Plasma Cannons either need to function more like it with 2 shots, or simply be brought closer to its projectile damage. If I am not wholly mistaken the Kubo's shoots a single projectile for rought 1651 and has a magazine size of 2. With Proficiency and Galmando thats 2089 per shot unmodified, and against shields that's 2235.6 per shot. Vs a 40% Hardener that is 1341.4 per bolt (2682.8 for both) Vs a 30% Hardener that is 1564.9 per bolt (3129.8 for both) The alteration of Shield Hardeners from 40% to the old 30% value would certainly do wonders are reducing Shield HAV TTK but certainly does not resolve the issue completely. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 152	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:06:00 - [53] - Quote I haven't face a tank like that, but I've heard it's something like 1 Extender, 2 Hardeners, and some armor/reps. Even with dual Kubo's, I imagine a fit like that would not fall quickly. HOWEVER, this does NOT call for more vehicle tanks. This fit sounds like the only fit that will provide a real fight to AV users. And I like that. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3857	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:11:00 - [54] - Quote We need more tank variants to not just more AV at least we have proto AV. I'd like an Amarr tank and AV (Both proto) Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15602	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:15:00 - [55] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: We need more tank variants to not just more AV at least we have proto AV. I'd like an Amarr tank and AV (Both proto) Don't ask for that..... they'd cry too hard. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 230	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:42:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Its not even about damage profiles. HAVs are overpowered and AV cannot compete without a ton of AV alpha striking the tank to death before it can move around a corner or duck behind a hill. Meanwhile any infantry including AV can be absolutely slaughtered by a tanker with any brains at all. The "anti vehicle" rail turret absolutely wrecks infantry with a little target practice, and the HP totals make it so stupidly difficult to kill vehicles that the pilot has to be braindead to die. There is no balance to V vs. AV as long as a forge gunner has to hit a tank 4 times to kill even the worst fit tank, and even the worst rail turret around can kill a forge gunner in 2 hits. The reality of the situation is that the Madruger sucks right now (sucks compared to the Gunnlogi, not compared to AV) because its natural turret (blaster) was overnerfed and because armor hardeners got nerfed into the ground. Its still damn near invincible to AV if fitted well, even if it is food for any rail gunnlogi with a halfway decent fit. AV sucks against vehicles, it sucks against infantry. The funniest part is that AV actually has a better chance of killing infantry than it does of killing vehicles, **** is completely backwards. Vehicles are completely dominant over infantry and can still beat the heck out of their in game counter (AV). This is not balanced. Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. Yes if this happens vehicles should cost alot less. Yes it will be so sad that it doesnt take 3+ AV to take down a good tank. But it will be balanced. Meanwhile I will continue to log on to my vehicle alt every few days to play a few games in my gunnlogi with my friends in my small turrets. Its boring to do it every day but it really is fun turning on god mode every now and then and run around one shotting everyone with the proto rail turret while any vehicle that comes against us gets absolutely wrecked by all our damage output and we rack up massive amounts of war points from all the absurd vehicle assists/kill assists/squad commendations system. 2 Enhanced extenders, 1 shield hardener (I think its enhanced), 2 rail turret ammo extensions, 2 adv. railgun turrets, 1 proto railgun turret, Im sure someone could make a better fit, but why bother when it demolishes everything that tries to fight it? We've even beaten double gunnlogis coming at us in a game until they ragequit a few minutes in (I think they werent very good pilots though). Tanks are a bad joke. The whole V vs. AV dynamic needs to be entirely overhauled with a new concept of how disposable vehicles are and how vehicles should be used. As I've said before you are asking for something that cannot or will not happen until Rattati actually sits down and engages pilots and AV.... he said he might be doing this but currently there is no sign of this starting. The trick as I see it is to allow HAV the flexibility and given the a role on the battlefield which allows then to engage other tanks, vehicles, and objectives as their primary focus and with a secondary focus on infantry units if threatened. We also need to know what kinds of skill tree and tiered variations/specialisations of Tank hulls we can expect before we can get to balancing properly. Before we start talking EHP nerfs I'd rather approach HAV rebalancing by standardising mobility values, adjusting and slowing acceleration, adjusting their regenerative capacities (mainly so that damage applied stays applied for longer and so that is) heck even proper barrel sway would be nice. In previous builds AV dealt less damage per shot and HAV had more EHP....yet AV dominated the field I want to find our what it was about the old pre 1.6 model and return to a V vs AV climate like that. Unfortunately I dont think we will have a real balance solution until we give up on the idea that tanks should cost more and should dominate everything. Expanding the frames/modules/functionality would be great but the core problem in vehicles vs. AV is that AV doesnt work and vehicles cant play in a fun way without prohibitive expenses. So lets solve both problems by making tanks cheaper and making AV work. I have alot of faith that the current team making decisions at CCP really wants to get Dust into a more fun state though, so Im not really too grumpy about any of this. Hopefully they will get vehicles right next iteration.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 230	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:44:00 - [57] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. I for one would hate to see tanks nerfed even in the slightest. It was a refreshing change to come up against a tank that had some real tank. People saying that AV is underpowered right now are for lack of a better term, fools. Please dont mistake our awe of a well fit tank as a call to have them nerfed. NO. So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced. Try a forge mate. Or maybe don't try to solo it from a rooftop? If you were in a lav it wouldn't have time to get outta range now would it? I have a forge, and they are not as **** against this kind of fit, but not viable either. If I have to reload 2 times to kill the damn thing, it has enough time to run off any time. In addition if it shoots me ONE TIME Im done. Not balanced. And lol at the LAV. I have to have a vehicle to counter a vehicle, I might as well just run a tank. If a forge gunner rolled up to me in an LAV I would just pop it in two shots and roll away if I felt threatened at all after that.
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3073	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:47:00 - [58] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? I saw a tank like that relatively recently, shield tanked Gunnlogi had a Prof V Minmando Wyrkomi firing at it, a PLC on a Gallmando and an 80GJ Railgun firing at it...it just refused to die...might just have been bad hit detection/hit application server side (we did finally take it down with 3 simultaneous jihad jeeps...and then we called in an OB on where it died...just to be sure) Overkill is best kill. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3074	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:51:00 - [59] - Quote Did you by chance note your efficiency rating vs the tank? I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 467	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:52:00 - [60] - Quote Swarms are explosive. -20% damage to shields. Shield repper and hardener. so...forgegun or plasma cannon ftw.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6349	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:54:00 - [61] - Quote Flux Grenade. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15614	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:02:00 - [62] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? I saw a tank like that relatively recently, shield tanked Gunnlogi had a Prof V Minmando Wyrkomi firing at it, a PLC on a Gallmando and an 80GJ Railgun firing at it...it just refused to die...might just have been bad hit detection/hit application server side (we did finally take it down with 3 simultaneous jihad jeeps...and then we called in an OB on where it died...just to be sure) Overkill is best kill. Alpha Strike is best Strike! *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:26:00 - [63] - Quote I do check my map to see if there are two tanks working together, There is no point engaging the best case is drive them into their red line for a bit
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17996	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:43:00 - [64] - Quote What makes this fit a bit more difficult to is generally is primarily its high mobility and acceleration almost requiring a scout suit to go after it; and if there are any infantry on the field near the said tank forget about chasing it on foot. Get an LAV and a friend and bail out to ambush the sucker and hope the LAV buys you enough of the HAV's attention to get into proper position. Overall keeping damage on the target is going to be difficult and it easily recovers the lost HP if ever threatened. The second issue is the guy simply pops out and deal with you is generally an hmg heavy if you're working alone and he is aware of you. If you run into that sort of tanker get a hack max fit instead to steal the tank as you play ring around the rosie with him. If you're lucky you can turn around and run him over with his own tank. As for the shield tank itself if you're using swarms you're only supplementary damage. If coordinating with other players position yourself in likely escape routes instead and hope your friends damaged it enough to get the killing shots. The idea is to pressure the sucker to death not to concentrate firepower. Ideally you want the anti infantry to open up and harass it down and force it to blow its modules and mag dump to deal with you and thats when your allied tank can then come into the picture and deal with it. The general point of failure of taking this tank on is that people far too often come at it one at a time and the smart pilots behind the wheel tries to only engage one target at a time and resting between each engagement. Constant pressure and cutting off the chance to recover are the best bets. If we only had a stasis webifier this tank fit wouldn't survive as easily. Flux nades would do quite a bit and time them out instead of blowing them all in the first set of the engagement cook proper and throw to give the tank no room to drive away from the explosion. Also if you're in a squad and the guy you're trying to kill is known for popping out of the tank. Get your decoy to run out there and get him to bail out and then OB his ass or sick your best sniper as back up and hope you can down him before he hops back in. Also REs near exit points work as well (right side exit generally) just most pilots should know not to be stupid enough to get out if RE'ed. Though you do occasionally get them. Another thing pilots love to do if they are RE'ed with even a single RE is run to their red line. This is also another place where you can set up one heck of an ambush if you control this zone. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15614	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:49:00 - [65] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: What makes this fit a bit more difficult to is generally is primarily its high mobility and acceleration almost requiring a scout suit to go after it; and if there are any infantry on the field near the said tank forget about chasing it on foot. Get an LAV and a friend and bail out to ambush the sucker and hope the LAV buys you enough of the HAV's attention to get into proper position. Overall keeping damage on the target is going to be difficult and it easily recovers the lost HP if ever threatened. The second issue is the guy simply pops out and deal with you is generally an hmg heavy if you're working alone and he is aware of you. If you run into that sort of tanker get a hack max fit instead to steal the tank as you play ring around the rosie with him. If you're lucky you can turn around and run him over with his own tank. As for the shield tank itself if you're using swarms you're only supplementary damage. If coordinating with other players position yourself in likely escape routes instead and hope your friends damaged it enough to get the killing shots. The idea is to pressure the sucker to death not to concentrate firepower. Ideally you want the anti infantry to open up and harass it down and force it to blow its modules and mag dump to deal with you and thats when your allied tank can then come into the picture and deal with it. The general point of failure of taking this tank on is that people far too often come at it one at a time and the smart pilots behind the wheel tries to only engage one target at a time and resting between each engagement. Constant pressure and cutting off the chance to recover are the best bets. If we only had a stasis webifier this tank fit wouldn't survive as easily. Flux nades would do quite a bit and time them out instead of blowing them all in the first set of the engagement cook proper and throw to give the tank no room to drive away from the explosion. Also if you're in a squad and the guy you're trying to kill is known for popping out of the tank. Get your decoy to run out there and get him to bail out and then OB his ass or sick your best sniper as back up and hope you can down him before he hops back in. Also REs near exit points work as well (right side exit generally) just most pilots should know not to be stupid enough to get out if RE'ed. Though you do occasionally get them. Another thing pilots love to do if they are RE'ed with even a single RE is run to their red line. This is also another place where you can set up one heck of an ambush if you control this zone. All valid advice but 40% resists on one module is a bit much...... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5499	Posted - 2014.12.09 01:55:00 - [66] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? I should add to Cat's post that at the same time I was shooting said tank with my Level 4 Python with an XT-1 Missile Launcher. He was repping through all the damage BOTH of us were putting on him. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15615	Posted - 2014.12.09 02:00:00 - [67] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? I should add to Cat's post that at the same time I was shooting said tank with my Level 4 Python with an XT-1 Missile Launcher. He was repping through all the damage BOTH of us were putting on him. That is not possible. Mechanics simply don't allow for that. What is possible is that you both reloaded giving him maybe 6 or so seconds and he could actually activate his passive regen. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 526	Posted - 2014.12.09 08:36:00 - [68] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. You know where you can shove your "respect." Three XT-1 missiles to kill a heavy/ three forge rounds to kill a dropship. 3 remotes and a flux to kill any tank. If only infantry had acess to giant installation with 12 hitpoints with free large turrets and unlimited ammo... really dude, get good. Since when are the current large missile turrets anti infantry? You are really going to complain about not being able to kill a heavy unless you hit him 3 times when you have like 9 (or whatever, I dont use large missiles much) more missiles in your clip? And yes I agree forge vs. dropship is much more balanced, but if your dropship is getting killed by 3 shots of anything but a breach forge gun, you need to refit. And are you seriously telling me to get good while you're implying that you regularly get killed by remotes and turret installations? Remotes: Use your ears. No one should ever be able to attach more than one remote to you. The only time a remote should ever kill you is if a jihad jeep rams them into your tank or if there is a bunch of other AV pecking at you and the remote gets the last hit. Installations? I mean wow, you get killed by immobile installations that spawn in the same spot in every match? I dont even. The only time I ever die to either of them is if I'm not paying attention at all. Unlike most tankers I am perfectly comfortable saying it was my fault, not some imbalance in the game, especially since the rest of my game experience both in and out of tanks points directly to the opposite: that tanks are incredibly imbalanced and overpowered. Hell the only time I remember being killed by non-jihad remotes in the past year is when my friend was trolling me by throwing equipment near my tank so I kept moving, until I finally started ignoring it and sure enough some scout came along and got me. Again my mistake because I stopped moving away from equipment drops. I am telling you to get good. Listing ways infantry can be a very real threat to vehicles is not the same as "ahh its dangerous nerf it" in the same vien you are whining about tanks. I don't pretend to be the untouchable 'bwa haha ha kill everything and nothing has never touched me.' If the enemy is any good at AV its going to be a good fight. That means a clever scout will catch me off gaurd, or a redberry will hack blue installations behind me to cut off my transit route. Most guys who say "i only die when..." usually are the first to get dropped by those self same things. Chill, and git gud. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4212	Posted - 2014.12.09 08:43:00 - [69] - Quote Atiim wrote: 2 Shield Hardeners and 1 Shield Extender. I tend to prefer the inverse; less management and nearly as much EHP, though it does take somewhat longer to regenerate after I nova. CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 GÇó CalLogi 5 now what?
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3280	Posted - 2014.12.09 08:48:00 - [70] - Quote So, you are supposed to need a squad with snipers, hackers, AV, and a tank to kill a tank, is that the design goal for vehicles? Seems pretty fail to me. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15624	Posted - 2014.12.09 09:55:00 - [71] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: So, you are supposed to need a squad with snipers, hackers, AV, and a tank to kill a tank, is that the design goal for vehicles? Seems pretty fail to me. That strawmanning and a poor attempt at it. All Tesfa suggest were that these were clever ways to put a tank out of position and off his/her guard not that these things were necessary. Honestly if you struggle to take out an Armour tank these days you DO just suck at AVing..... Shields are a whole other can of beans that I hope Rattati addresses. Lord knows I've badgered him enough to fix them. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 233	Posted - 2014.12.09 15:28:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: So, you are supposed to need a squad with snipers, hackers, AV, and a tank to kill a tank, is that the design goal for vehicles? Seems pretty fail to me. Thats strawmanning and a pretty poor attempt at it. All Tesfa suggest were that these were clever ways to put a tank out of position and off his/her guard not that these things were necessary, although they do all help. Considering that turrets are rather tough to knock out these days hacking one at the enemy redline is a brilliant way to ensure that last shot connects. Honestly if you struggle to take out an Armour tank these days you DO just suck at AVing..... Shields are a whole other can of beans that I hope Rattati addresses. Lord knows I've badgered him enough to fix them. Pretty sure hes responding to IWS
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14226	Posted - 2014.12.09 15:43:00 - [73] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: We need more tank variants to not just more AV at least we have proto AV. I'd like an Amarr tank and AV (Both proto) Don't ask for that..... they'd cry too hard. Only one crying about Amarr Tanks is you. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX Titans of Phoenix 6	Posted - 2014.12.09 16:28:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: We need more tank variants to not just more AV at least we have proto AV. I'd like an Amarr tank and AV (Both proto) Don't ask for that..... they'd cry too hard. Only one crying about Amarr Tanks is you. i want my amarr laser tank and i want it now!


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