DUST Search - Who the hell designed this shield tank

Cat Merc wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Vesta Opalus wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP.

It literally did not care.

How the fuck.

Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast?

Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down.

But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity.

My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game.

I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free.

This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50.

However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad.

Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher.

Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing.

I had my swarm launcher because I was mainly hunting a blaster madrugar that was annoying me.
That gunnlogi was pinning down my ADS air support, so I tried to at least make him run.

He didn't even care.

*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

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Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13582	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:45:00 - [1] - Quote I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 112	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:48:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? I saw a tank like that relatively recently, shield tanked Gunnlogi had a Prof V Minmando Wyrkomi firing at it, a PLC on a Gallmando and an 80GJ Railgun firing at it...it just refused to die...might just have been bad hit detection/hit application server side (we did finally take it down with 3 simultaneous jihad jeeps...and then we called in an OB on where it died...just to be sure) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 994	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote I've seen several of those running around. Try proxies. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2671	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:55:00 - [4] - Quote 2x complex heavy extender and 1x hardener gives about 11k ehp against explosive damage. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Symbioticforks Kinsho Swords Caldari State 970	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:07:00 - [5] - Quote Get IWS on the case, he'll !#@$ that !@#% right up. You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1849	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:08:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? See also: Havel the Rock. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6128	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:11:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Everyday basis: tanker:'' OMG Swarms kill me in 4 volleys Buaaaaah nerf swarms , they are too easy mode TT..TT and they have like UBER homing capabilities Q.Q and kill everything'' Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5395	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:22:00 - [8] - Quote And this is why we need an AV weapon with a laser damage profile. My advice to you, playa...
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 688	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:27:00 - [9] - Quote The tank was strafing... DUAHhhhh... I hear them shields will get heavy batteries soon so make them not strafe as hard to troll you. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Grimmiers 734	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:38:00 - [10] - Quote Passive reps need to be lowered and active reps should have a downside to using them like lower speed, or damage. We need points for vehicle repair back along with functional logi vehicles. Then we can balance av damage including turrets to make tanks more survivable, but with a need to run away, or repair somewhere. I would even let some small arms fire do decent damage to vehicles like breach weapons, or a laser rifle. It's the same thing with a triple rep armor tank vs a plasma cannon where you can't make a dent into it to even scare it off.

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14199	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:43:00 - [11] - Quote 2 Shield Hardeners and 1 Shield Extender. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote What was your suit? Sky whale mating rituals!! Go home Damage Indicator, you're drunk Good, good... let the nanites flow through you
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1528	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:56:00 - [13] - Quote Proof of Caldari vehicle superiority! *I spit at yer Quafe.*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13583	Posted - 2014.12.08 16:04:00 - [14] - Quote Lupus Wolf wrote: What was your suit? Also, did he have a hardener on? Galmando, damage modded. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2859	Posted - 2014.12.08 16:04:00 - [15] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Proof of Caldari vehicle superiority! Sadly, yes. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 226	Posted - 2014.12.08 16:14:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2681	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:01:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Its funny you say that. I mean swarms are not known for their high anti shield capabilities right. However the plasma cannon is and in FW the other day me and two others were fighting a Gunloggi and my god he took so much punishment! He had myself with a KLA going at him, someone else with another plasma cannon going at him and a 3rd person firing swarms and he took so much punishment over the course of a few mins before he finally died. WHAT IS THIS UNICORN FIT GUNNLOGI PILOTS? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 453	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:16:00 - [18] - Quote lol. One time in FW I was engaging a Gal tank and since I was on my Caldari Rail gun tank the stupid eve pilot from there side called his OB and instead of killing me which He didn't, he killed his friendly tank xD Thank you 75 WP xD This is why you should never call in a OB when two tanks fight. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 173	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:33:00 - [19] - Quote I spent a whole game battling one of these tanks. I'd hit him with the plc, both exo packed grenades, and he would run over the proxies and he would be completely repped before i could reload. He then sent me a mail calling me a scrub. Eh whatever i thanked him for the wp
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4344	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:43:00 - [20] - Quote I've encountered a tank like that a few months ago. It was as if my PLC rounds did nothing to it. Stupid tank... I hate you.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:26:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? It's called two extenders and a hardener coupled with a proto plate. 9-10K EHP with the -20% damage modifier shields natural get plus its 40% shield resistance...... yup I just ignore proto swarms as well, and AV nades, and forges, etc. Oh and did I forget to mention its insane fitting capacity, 168 rep sec after 3-4 seconds, great mobility options, and ability to also fit a proto type turret. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:43:00 - [22] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game. I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free. This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50. However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad. Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher. Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
General John Ripper 26403	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:46:00 - [23] - Quote If only cpm judge was around to fix vehicles. I am an idea.
Immortal John Ripper 26405	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:46:00 - [24] - Quote If only cpm judge was around to fix vehicles. I am an idea.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13590	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:47:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game. I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free. This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50. However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad. Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher. Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing. I had my swarm launcher because I was mainly hunting a blaster madrugar that was annoying me. That gunnlogi was pinning down my ADS air support, so I tried to at least make him run. He didn't even care. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3854	Posted - 2014.12.08 18:53:00 - [26] - Quote You're used to armor tanks.. That 80/120 quite the difference? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15595	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:01:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: True Adamance wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP. It literally did not care. How the fuck. Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast? Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down. But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity. My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game. I'm going to stop you there for a minute and point out first and foremost that this is and issue yes, and that the only reason this is an issue is because shield HAV have a natural regenerations of 168 points of shield per second after a 4 second delay which means that they essentially get and Armour repper (but for shields) for free. This was not always the case and I'd be more than happy to see that removed and retuned back to the constant 24 rep/sec it used to be which could only ever be buffed as high as maybe 50. However and I have to point this out to Catmerc...... firstly he was using swarms. That's first mistake number one. I know he has anti shield options and the fact that he was not using the correct option for the HAV is partly why his attempts were bad. Secondly I know he does have Plasma Cannon and a Gal Commando. I will also assume proficiency for his weapon, and a damage module to be safe. This really does add up the like the swarm launcher. Sure currently it IS brain dead easy to play as a vehicle/tank pilot and that's something that tank pilots have been telling CCP and infantry that they HATE about tanking since 1.7 when wolfman did his thing. I had my swarm launcher because I was mainly hunting a blaster madrugar that was annoying me. That gunnlogi was pinning down my ADS air support, so I tried to at least make him run. He didn't even care. That's about right you are really seeing that 80/120 values vs Shield/Armour and in the current climate of HAV the Shield HAV does everything the old Armour HAV used to be able to do and its own role better. Another part of the reason most Shield HAV wont care is their natural passive regen which is currently too high if we could cut this down to a modifiable value around 24-30 damage applied to shield HAV will stay be more cumulative and require longer absences from the battlefield. Another reason why a lot of interested parties are trying to push for vehicle rebalance and readjustment so that this can be prevented however in order to fix internal problems in the vehicles tree we need infantry to HTFU up for a month or two so we can get Rattati's ear. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2244	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:12:00 - [28] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: And this is why we need an AV weapon with a laser damage profile. Indeed. I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 229	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:30:00 - [29] - Quote Its not even about damage profiles. HAVs are overpowered and AV cannot compete without a ton of AV alpha striking the tank to death before it can move around a corner or duck behind a hill. Meanwhile any infantry including AV can be absolutely slaughtered by a tanker with any brains at all. The "anti vehicle" rail turret absolutely wrecks infantry with a little target practice, and the HP totals make it so stupidly difficult to kill vehicles that the pilot has to be braindead to die. There is no balance to V vs. AV as long as a forge gunner has to hit a tank 4 times to kill even the worst fit tank, and even the worst rail turret around can kill a forge gunner in 2 hits. The reality of the situation is that the Madruger sucks right now (sucks compared to the Gunnlogi, not compared to AV) because its natural turret (blaster) was overnerfed and because armor hardeners got nerfed into the ground. Its still damn near invincible to AV if fitted well, even if it is food for any rail gunnlogi with a halfway decent fit. AV sucks against vehicles, it sucks against infantry. The funniest part is that AV actually has a better chance of killing infantry than it does of killing vehicles, **** is completely backwards. Vehicles are completely dominant over infantry and can still beat the heck out of their in game counter (AV). This is not balanced. Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. Yes if this happens vehicles should cost alot less. Yes it will be so sad that it doesnt take 3+ AV to take down a good tank. But it will be balanced. Meanwhile I will continue to log on to my vehicle alt every few days to play a few games in my gunnlogi with my friends in my small turrets. Its boring to do it every day but it really is fun turning on god mode every now and then and run around one shotting everyone with the proto rail turret while any vehicle that comes against us gets absolutely wrecked by all our damage output and we rack up massive amounts of war points from all the absurd vehicle assists/kill assists/squad commendations system. 2 Enhanced extenders, 1 shield hardener (I think its enhanced), 2 rail turret ammo extensions, 2 adv. railgun turrets, 1 proto railgun turret, Im sure someone could make a better fit, but why bother when it demolishes everything that tries to fight it? We've even beaten double gunnlogis coming at us in a game until they ragequit a few minutes in (I think they werent very good pilots though). Tanks are a bad joke. The whole V vs. AV dynamic needs to be entirely overhauled with a new concept of how disposable vehicles are and how vehicles should be used.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3854	Posted - 2014.12.08 19:33:00 - [30] - Quote Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro



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