I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP.

It literally did not care.

How the fuck.



Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast?

Congratulations, you've run into one of the super douche tank fits. The ones that take half a minute of sustained fire from AV to take down.

But remember AV is totally overpowered and tankers are a beleaguered, persecuted minority thats totally not constantly agitating to maintain unfair balance conditions so they can farm kills with impunity.

My suggestion is you create a vehicle alt if you havent got one already so you can fully explore just how brain dead easy it is to play as a tank in this game.

I had my swarm launcher because I was mainly hunting a blaster madrugar that was annoying me.
That gunnlogi was pinning down my ADS air support, so I tried to at least make him run.

He didn't even care.

Its not even about damage profiles. HAVs are overpowered and AV cannot compete without a ton of AV alpha striking the tank to death before it can move around a corner or duck behind a hill.

Meanwhile any infantry including AV can be absolutely slaughtered by a tanker with any brains at all. The "anti vehicle" rail turret absolutely wrecks infantry with a little target practice, and the HP totals make it so stupidly difficult to kill vehicles that the pilot has to be braindead to die. There is no balance to V vs. AV as long as a forge gunner has to hit a tank 4 times to kill even the worst fit tank, and even the worst rail turret around can kill a forge gunner in 2 hits.

The reality of the situation is that the Madruger sucks right now (sucks compared to the Gunnlogi, not compared to AV) because its natural turret (blaster) was overnerfed and because armor hardeners got nerfed into the ground. Its still damn near invincible to AV if fitted well, even if it is food for any rail gunnlogi with a halfway decent fit.

AV sucks against vehicles, it sucks against infantry. The funniest part is that AV actually has a better chance of killing infantry than it does of killing vehicles, **** is completely backwards.
Vehicles are completely dominant over infantry and can still beat the heck out of their in game counter (AV).

This is not balanced.

Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. Yes if this happens vehicles should cost alot less. Yes it will be so sad that it doesnt take 3+ AV to take down a good tank. But it will be balanced.

Meanwhile I will continue to log on to my vehicle alt every few days to play a few games in my gunnlogi with my friends in my small turrets. Its boring to do it every day but it really is fun turning on god mode every now and then and run around one shotting everyone with the proto rail turret while any vehicle that comes against us gets absolutely wrecked by all our damage output and we rack up massive amounts of war points from all the absurd vehicle assists/kill assists/squad commendations system.

2 Enhanced extenders, 1 shield hardener (I think its enhanced), 2 rail turret ammo extensions, 2 adv. railgun turrets, 1 proto railgun turret, Im sure someone could make a better fit, but why bother when it demolishes everything that tries to fight it?

We've even beaten double gunnlogis coming at us in a game until they ragequit a few minutes in (I think they werent very good pilots though).

Tanks are a bad joke. The whole V vs. AV dynamic needs to be entirely overhauled with a new concept of how disposable vehicles are and how vehicles should be used.

Just out of curiosity, how much does one of these tanks cost?

was it stoned spy hiding in the redline with a 6644 shield gunnlogi...something stupid like that,
absolute coward.

So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced.

Swarms? Lol

Use the Plasma Cannon.

More likely than anything it was this fit the tank used. Does infantry have a shield-based AV weapon? Flux grenades count

Could've been me.


I have two advanced heavy shield extenders on my tank.
Speccing into shield modules for vehicles is a good bargain, since almost every AV method is effective to armour.
My shield tank has 4600+ HP and I can even get it to reach 5000+ and with this HP even plasma cannons can't really hurt me(At 5k hp it does barely a quarter of damage depending on the plasma cannon tier)

It's actually a good thing, since the majority of AV methods are overpowered(it's also hard to fight infantry with MLT turrets and sometimes because the tank can't look down. If one isn't working, try another.) Plus, vehicles can keep the battle going in terms of distraction/ team defense/ anti- rooftopcamping as you can shoot DS down(good for rooftop camping and otherwise unfair) etc.

We need more tank variants to not just more AV at least we have proto AV.
I'd like an Amarr tank and AV (Both proto)

Overkill is best kill.

What makes this fit a bit more difficult to is generally is primarily its high mobility and acceleration almost requiring a scout suit to go after it; and if there are any infantry on the field near the said tank forget about chasing it on foot. Get an LAV and a friend and bail out to ambush the sucker and hope the LAV buys you enough of the HAV's attention to get into proper position. Overall keeping damage on the target is going to be difficult and it easily recovers the lost HP if ever threatened.

The second issue is the guy simply pops out and deal with you is generally an hmg heavy if you're working alone and he is aware of you. If you run into that sort of tanker get a hack max fit instead to steal the tank as you play ring around the rosie with him. If you're lucky you can turn around and run him over with his own tank.

As for the shield tank itself if you're using swarms you're only supplementary damage. If coordinating with other players position yourself in likely escape routes instead and hope your friends damaged it enough to get the killing shots. The idea is to pressure the sucker to death not to concentrate firepower. Ideally you want the anti infantry to open up and harass it down and force it to blow its modules and mag dump to deal with you and thats when your allied tank can then come into the picture and deal with it.

The general point of failure of taking this tank on is that people far too often come at it one at a time and the smart pilots behind the wheel tries to only engage one target at a time and resting between each engagement. Constant pressure and cutting off the chance to recover are the best bets.

If we only had a stasis webifier this tank fit wouldn't survive as easily.

Flux nades would do quite a bit and time them out instead of blowing them all in the first set of the engagement cook proper and throw to give the tank no room to drive away from the explosion.

Also if you're in a squad and the guy you're trying to kill is known for popping out of the tank.

Get your decoy to run out there and get him to bail out and then OB his ass or sick your best sniper as back up and hope you can down him before he hops back in. Also REs near exit points work as well (right side exit generally) just most pilots should know not to be stupid enough to get out if RE'ed. Though you do occasionally get them.

Another thing pilots love to do if they are RE'ed with even a single RE is run to their red line. This is also another place where you can set up one heck of an ambush if you control this zone.

I should add to Cat's post that at the same time I was shooting said tank with my Level 4 Python with an XT-1 Missile Launcher. He was repping through all the damage BOTH of us were putting on him.

So, you are supposed to need a squad with snipers, hackers, AV, and a tank to kill a tank, is that the design goal for vehicles?

Seems pretty fail to me.