Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me.

Its not even about damage profiles. HAVs are overpowered and AV cannot compete without a ton of AV alpha striking the tank to death before it can move around a corner or duck behind a hill.

Meanwhile any infantry including AV can be absolutely slaughtered by a tanker with any brains at all. The "anti vehicle" rail turret absolutely wrecks infantry with a little target practice, and the HP totals make it so stupidly difficult to kill vehicles that the pilot has to be braindead to die. There is no balance to V vs. AV as long as a forge gunner has to hit a tank 4 times to kill even the worst fit tank, and even the worst rail turret around can kill a forge gunner in 2 hits.

The reality of the situation is that the Madruger sucks right now (sucks compared to the Gunnlogi, not compared to AV) because its natural turret (blaster) was overnerfed and because armor hardeners got nerfed into the ground. Its still damn near invincible to AV if fitted well, even if it is food for any rail gunnlogi with a halfway decent fit.

AV sucks against vehicles, it sucks against infantry. The funniest part is that AV actually has a better chance of killing infantry than it does of killing vehicles, **** is completely backwards.
Vehicles are completely dominant over infantry and can still beat the heck out of their in game counter (AV).

This is not balanced.

Until tankers start calling for vehicles that can actually be killed by AV as easily as vehicles can kill infantry, they will get zero respect from me. Yes if this happens vehicles should cost alot less. Yes it will be so sad that it doesnt take 3+ AV to take down a good tank. But it will be balanced.

Meanwhile I will continue to log on to my vehicle alt every few days to play a few games in my gunnlogi with my friends in my small turrets. Its boring to do it every day but it really is fun turning on god mode every now and then and run around one shotting everyone with the proto rail turret while any vehicle that comes against us gets absolutely wrecked by all our damage output and we rack up massive amounts of war points from all the absurd vehicle assists/kill assists/squad commendations system.

2 Enhanced extenders, 1 shield hardener (I think its enhanced), 2 rail turret ammo extensions, 2 adv. railgun turrets, 1 proto railgun turret, Im sure someone could make a better fit, but why bother when it demolishes everything that tries to fight it?

We've even beaten double gunnlogis coming at us in a game until they ragequit a few minutes in (I think they werent very good pilots though).

Tanks are a bad joke. The whole V vs. AV dynamic needs to be entirely overhauled with a new concept of how disposable vehicles are and how vehicles should be used.

You know where you can shove your "respect."

Three XT-1 missiles to kill a heavy/ three forge rounds to kill a dropship.

3 remotes and a flux to kill any tank.

If only infantry had acess to giant installation with 12 hitpoints with free large turrets and unlimited ammo...

really dude, get good.

I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP.

It literally did not care.

How the fuck.



Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast?

Just out of curiosity, how much does one of these tanks cost?

I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP.

It literally did not care.

How the fuck.



Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast?

Seriously you guys are going to nerf tanks again? Ffs take tanks out the game and refund the sp.

I for one would hate to see tanks nerfed even in the slightest. It was a refreshing change to come up against a tank that had some real tank.

People saying that AV is underpowered right now are for lack of a better term, fools.

Please dont mistake our awe of a well fit tank as a call to have them nerfed. NO.

was it stoned spy hiding in the redline with a 6644 shield gunnlogi...something stupid like that,
absolute coward.

So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced.

Swarms? Lol

Use the Plasma Cannon.

2 Shield Hardeners and 1 Shield Extender.

More likely than anything it was this fit the tank used. Does infantry have a shield-based AV weapon? Flux grenades count

I have no idea what the dude was running, but I literally unloaded every single swarm I had + swarms in my nanohive and that shield tank ended up with half shield HP.

It literally did not care.

How the fuck.



Anyone has any idea what he was running that he just ate my proto swarms for breakfast?

Galmando, damage modded.

Could've been me.


I have two advanced heavy shield extenders on my tank.
Speccing into shield modules for vehicles is a good bargain, since almost every AV method is effective to armour.
My shield tank has 4600+ HP and I can even get it to reach 5000+ and with this HP even plasma cannons can't really hurt me(At 5k hp it does barely a quarter of damage depending on the plasma cannon tier)

It's actually a good thing, since the majority of AV methods are overpowered(it's also hard to fight infantry with MLT turrets and sometimes because the tank can't look down. If one isn't working, try another.) Plus, vehicles can keep the battle going in terms of distraction/ team defense/ anti- rooftopcamping as you can shoot DS down(good for rooftop camping and otherwise unfair) etc.

lol scrub. So you thought a single damage modded swarm launcher will do any good vs a shield tank? You either take a tripple damage modded calmando or a damage modded minmando. Both have the best damage output for swarms (caldari only cause of 3X damage mods). So you sir are officially a scrub, a hardcore scrub to be precise. Take some dignity and use a plasma cannon on your galmando cause for that you get damage bonus for.

So why should something in this game be virtually immune to its direct counter? The only thing that kills these super gunnlogis these days is other super gunnlogis. Thats straight up imbalanced.

We need more tank variants to not just more AV at least we have proto AV.
I'd like an Amarr tank and AV (Both proto)

As I've said before you are asking for something that cannot or will not happen until Rattati actually sits down and engages pilots and AV.... he said he might be doing this but currently there is no sign of this starting.

The trick as I see it is to allow HAV the flexibility and given the a role on the battlefield which allows then to engage other tanks, vehicles, and objectives as their primary focus and with a secondary focus on infantry units if threatened. We also need to know what kinds of skill tree and tiered variations/specialisations of Tank hulls we can expect before we can get to balancing properly.

Before we start talking EHP nerfs I'd rather approach HAV rebalancing by standardising mobility values, adjusting and slowing acceleration, adjusting their regenerative capacities (mainly so that damage applied stays applied for longer and so that is) heck even proper barrel sway would be nice.

In previous builds AV dealt less damage per shot and HAV had more EHP....yet AV dominated the field I want to find our what it was about the old pre 1.6 model and return to a V vs AV climate like that.

Try a forge mate. Or maybe don't try to solo it from a rooftop? If you were in a lav it wouldn't have time to get outta range now would it?

I saw a tank like that relatively recently, shield tanked Gunnlogi had a Prof V Minmando Wyrkomi firing at it, a PLC on a Gallmando and an 80GJ Railgun firing at it...it just refused to die...might just have been bad hit detection/hit application server side (we did finally take it down with 3 simultaneous jihad jeeps...and then we called in an OB on where it died...just to be sure)