Isnt that why you'd use your officer variant, then?

AFAIK, Charge was repurposed to be the single target dropper, what with super high base damage and headshot modifier.

How has this impacted you? Do you still snipe? Do you still make vids?

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

-usually you would never buff something without taking something away, so let's take away the insane headshot damage opening up counterplay for sniper vs sniper, and giving heavies a chance in hell against a headshot. This would also help scale back the militia / STD snipers from being over the top effective / just as good as proto.

Now, to the real heart of the matter:

1. Headshot bonus has effectively killed the existence for tiered sniper rifle skills; if a militia sniper can OHK all but a tanked-out heavy, what's the point in using anything stronger?

2. Almost all of the complaining about snipers essentially breaks down to how ridiculous the Thales was in comparison to all other variants; a well-placed Thales user was immune to everything except a fellow Thales user...who probably wasn't going to risk their own to try and hunt the other one down.

3. The damage bonus offered to Caldari Commandos only encourages the brick-tanked sniper that requires a headshot to kill; otherwise, you're just wasting bullets.

4. The recent changes made to map sockets (i.e. Manus Peak) further reduce the ability of a sniper to actively contribute to his side by playing point defense. Changes were made previously to make nodes less easy to target into, but the new map types have decided to enclose most everything inside of a building, leaving snipers with little else to do aside from try and pick off targets as they run across the map.

Solutions:

1. Reduce the headshot bonus. Implement actual differences between the sniper tiers/types.
Tactical variant--weakest, but with the best zoom, giving you the best chance to land a headshot. High RoF but small clip.
Standard variant--stronger than tactical and with better range, but slower RoF and less powerful zoom
Specialist variant--damage between tactical and standard, but with the furthest range and weakest zoom
Charge variant--highest damage, largest clip but with slowest RoF and shortest range. The Thales would be a faster-charging version
Give them a range of 425, 450, 475 and 400, respectively.

2. See above. The Thales was so overpowered that it killed an entire style of play.

3. Tough one to fix thanks to the inherent damage bonus given to commandos. However, the reduction to headshot bonuses would make it feasible to get close enough to counter.

4. Snipers need to be given the ability to scout and "mark" the opponent on an individual basis. One player at a time could be "tagged" and highlighted on the Tacnet--regardless of profile--with investment in the sniper class resulting in an increased duration of the tag. Snipers would then be rewarded with intel kill assist WP if the target is killed while tagged. This would eliminate the need for the bullet trails to give away a sniper's position as they can be tagged up to 500 meters away, further than any SR can reach. This would allow for a team to coordinate a counter strategy to neutralize the sniper.

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

You can't do this now, not even close.

It's too bad they didn't let people keep pre-nerf variants.

Anyway, you need at least 5 bullets in a clip to make the gun viable.

Switching between multiple targets, you simply will never have enough bullets to multi-task your damage.

I would take the time to reload when there were only 3 bullets in the clip before. Now it starts with that many in the clip. Awful.

For ammo skill +2 ammo per level (10 shots at 5)

Overall for all snipers? scale the headshot bonus with tiers.

For charge rifle? clip to 4 reserve ammo to match same number of full reloads.

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

You don't even snipe STOP IT!

get Zatara in here pronto. ask about Planetary Conquest and Snipers.

Isn't MCC sniping exactly what people were sick of? Maybe if you were closer to your target as CCP attempted to make the charge sniper rifle for you could hit more accurately and not need the extra bullets.

Personally I would not care about MCC sniping if the person was not guarded by the MCC shields 80% of the time.

He does have a point with "scale the headshot bonus with tiers" if the HS modifier is reset to what it used to be then a lot of people will go back to using Sentinels to snipe with which will make counter sniping them impracticable.

I don't hate it; it was just superiorly used well abnormally over standard and tactical variants combined including thales before patch.

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

Take a good look guys this is a classic example of your Typical Redline scrub...i could smell the redline on you even before i clicked on the link. Which confirmed my suspicions.

You want 600M coverage to snipe at all of the objectives from the redline.

You want more shots so you don't have to leave your redline spot.


You want to engage multiple targets? Use a tactical sniper rifle.

You want to cover multiple objectives? You had better get mobile.


If i can manage to get double digit sniper kills outside of the redline, you can too. Grab a kal tac, Gallente scout and do something useful.


To address your signature, its good you don't do it anymore. Dust needs less redline campers.

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

People ability to constantly keep twitching back and forth making long range, high damage precision weaponry functionally useless.

I don't have huge issues with having to lead targets in other games, but in dust people can just keep sliding around non-stop.

My thoughts on snipers

Ppl are too twitchy to hit

Charge rifle constant beeping actually puts me off using it

Ranges seem ok

I has max Calmando, I put a thales on it, kill one guy, 15 secs later im dead as he respawns in his redline and one headshot with std rifle on a sentinelso true

Just doesn't seem right...put me off sniping with max Calmando
Now I just use a C-1 with my Covenant BPO


A suggestion, nerf headshot multiplyer, raise base dmg
Scale dmg/headshot bonus appropriately accross tiers


This would be to affect that if ppl are too twitchy, body shots are still viable
One headshot takedowns are restricted to high tier skilled snipers I liked headshots before the changes to sniping, just change it from 190% to like 220% at most since we received a base damage increase already

Charge Rifle gets 4 round mag, usual sound when charging, but has a double beep when fully charged then silence, fed up of it beeping in my ear as im trying to focus needs 5 but sound is annoying yes

Tac rifle is perfect GG yeah it's pretty good still niche but more doors have opened for it

Scope types are good, if you can do it, variable zoom on charge and std variants one can dream

Much respect to you Symbs for keeping the issues about the Charged SR alive. It's not in a good state and it's my hope that it gets another pass in the future, sooner than later. If I were to change anything, in order of priority, I'd revert the clip size back to 5. Even with a nano hive, you go through ammo pretty quick since the change to 3/18, but the more pressing issue about having 3 shots in the Charge per clip is having to reload. That doesn't fly with this gun and heavily tanked mobile targets. The second thing would be range. I'm sure 600m wouldn't satisfy all these Rifle514 players, so something around 400m+ would be the way to go. It's really limited in what it can cover at 350m for a prototype weapon. In regards to tiering, yes headshot multipliers should be tiered based on SR tier. It just makes sense to make it more rewarding to use a higher tier SR, yet at the same time it's more costly should you get sniped. Also, I'm convinced IWS doesn't snipe enough to know what he's talking about based on the stats you looked up previously lol. I would be at 40K+ snipes had I not stopped playing this game over half a year ago. From one of Uprising's top snipers to another, o7 Symbs. Someday we might be bothered to log back in. I don't imagine anything Legion-related will be ready to be discussed till next Fall (if it's even green lit), but that's where my hope lies for this game.

Look at these useless sniper users...I would be ashamed myself by revealing that I use sniper...

While redline aside, it seems that your a one playstyle sniper user (take that lightly as your may just be another tear farm) that just so happens to follow the flock of that style (COD) and see everything else as red?

What about the MAG sniper that was patient and actually waits for important times to shoot or exact points or areas you want to deny the enemy even walking through?

The game name leaves my head but it was a PS2 game where the sniper class was that literal GLASS CANNON that you shoot you kill but had horrible defense, armor, or vision but in exchange had better "ears", radar, or trap capabilities? THIS was all in one game I swear but forgot the name.

I hope you're one of those meat shields running on the ground that gets shot and says "That damn sniper!" while he laughs at your corpse and shoots twice more for the blatant ignorance of other playstyles than yours.

You can't do this now, not even close.

It's too bad they didn't let people keep pre-nerf variants.

Anyway, you need at least 5 bullets in a clip to make the gun viable.

Switching between multiple targets, you simply will never have enough bullets to multi-task your damage.

I would take the time to reload when there were only 3 bullets in the clip before. Now it starts with that many in the clip. Awful.

And there it is.

"A good player knows they never have to stand still" - who's been saying that for years now? oh wait that's right.. me

This is exactly why clip size 3 is useless. The second you hit someone, because you missed their head or they see the bullet trail, they're flipping around like a fish out of water, good luck with follow up shots. And if your target has their back turned to you especially on heavies they have neck fat scaling up to the middle of their skull protecting against headshots.

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

Triple tactical head shot killed most of the heavy snipers in previous builds.

-followed by getting a heavy sniper into armor, with no armor repair left them as an easy target.
-heavy suits offer a bigger hitbox (easier to spot + easier to scan + easier to hit + slow movement)

The tactical was the "head shot counter sniping rifle" You knew when someone was using the Tactical, they had it out for snipers.

Now with 6 bullets in the magazine, you can stick it to any sniper within 350m with them having no chance of survival.

Heavy red line snipers weren't immune to death. They were just immune to bad counter sniping.

You can't do this now, not even close.

It's too bad they didn't let people keep pre-nerf variants.

Anyway, you need at least 5 bullets in a clip to make the gun viable.

Switching between multiple targets, you simply will never have enough bullets to multi-task your damage.

I would take the time to reload when there were only 3 bullets in the clip before. Now it starts with that many in the clip. Awful.

They did change how the rifle works, but I wouldn't call it an overall nerf. they reduced range and clip size, but also increased zoom and dmg...... In all honesty the charge feels more in line with the other rifles, the only change I would make would be to increase the range which in all fairness need to be the highest and at least 500m

the charge simply should not have 5 rounds in the clip it gives it too much dmg per clip compared to the other rifles and while it was not OP it was way better than the other sniper options

Triple tactical head shot killed most of the heavy snipers in previous builds.

-followed by getting a heavy sniper into armor, with no armor repair left them as an easy target.
-heavy suits offer a bigger hitbox (easier to spot + easier to scan + easier to hit + slow movement)

The tactical was the "head shot counter sniping rifle" You knew when someone was using the Tactical, they had it out for snipers.

Now with 6 bullets in the magazine, you can stick it to any sniper within 350m with them having no chance of survival.

Heavy red line snipers weren't immune to death. They were just immune to bad counter sniping.

anyone with a pulse would move after the 2nd shot, while the tactical was the most effective at counter sniping it was still lacking

lol ... a scrub sobbing because camping from the MCC will not be posible again...

The best monday morning ever ! :D

Still.. red line heavy snipers were annoying at best..

Not very effective in general..

If they presented a problem, I would often move out of their line of sight to a different sniping platform and simply ignore them.

14/16 headshots resulted in a kill from my video (see original post, or top of page 3)

The tradeoff for 2 bullets and 200m range isn't worth the 2 extra kills you might get in an extraordinary match.

I was hoping you might see that.

Heavy suits were not for good snipers in general.. It wasn't a serious problem, just annoying. They didn't even have nano hives.

Many of the best snipers were using Minmitar Assault / Caldari Logi for sniping

Damage Mods / Equipment / Compact Nanohives / Innate Armor Regen / Expanded High Slot Loadouts



The go to suit before wasn't the heavy suit. In reality it was the Frontline - Sniper. That was the most common sniper suit.

Yeah most common, not the best fit.

As for this heavy with a Thale's comment. Keeping in mind it's officer gear it should out peform the other sniper rifles. Allowing the user to be more troublesome. If a tactical sniper rifle wasn't the best counter-sniping solution. Pulling out your own Thale's certainly was.

I think the consensus was the standard sniper rifle was the best now..

1200 dmg on a headshot.. and enough bullets in a clip to spam fire hoping for one.. and if your inteded target doesn't die from a headshot you can easily kill them with a zero delay follow up body shot..

I'd have to actually agree with Tesfa on this one Sclomp Snipers were a problem before this rediculousness you call a buff/fix now it's even more outrageous maybe due to the map layout or just plain laziness from mercs but I still see plenty of redline snipers still.. Especially in the video above.. If this guy is complaining that CSR isn't viable change your playstyle until they fix it. What is this COD style you talk of.. Hh is it the sniping of today where you don't need to spec into SR much or at all and pretty much kill anything with a HS?

I get what Sym is talking about but there does need to be a middle ground as CSR is the one of the strongest SR in-game but this community is getting worse by the day.. I used to be a dedicated sniper and I know the SR was broken before and after buff..

As Joel said a few meters could be added as well as the HS multiplier can be tiered but right now also dmg mods might also be a problem still but that's a whole other story.

And even then I've sniped a bit lately before I specced out of snipers but for me to be forced to get a HS or die isn't my cup of tea I want to have old school sniper battles but not this "let's see who can get HS first"

Like I told you and many others even though my rage and hatred for snipers(or any weapon for that matter) one have to be versatile keep on the move or change to a different variant of weapon if need be.

Charge Rifle gets 4 round mag, usual sound when charging, but has a double beep when fully charged then silence, fed up of it beeping in my ear as im trying to focus needs 5 but sound is annoying yes

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?

As someone with pro 5 in snipers I say no.. It's fine where it's at, want to increase the range? Make it so snipers can't shoot from inside their redline. You can still sit in your redline and see the objective in nearly all the Dom maps.

I have pro 5 in a bunch of things I'm not qualified to comment on.

Are you kidding me?

It stands to reason I might be better at sniping than you are at everything else combined in Dust 514.
(considering I've been around forever and have no idea what guns you use, let alone who you are in Dust 514)

I'm not saying that though, not yet at least.

If I'm just "good" with a sniper rifle, I would someday like to be introduced to some of the better snipers in Dust 514. Maybe if I work hard enough at my craft I could even become a dedicated sniper and offer valuable / insightful opinions on the nuances of sniping to others.

The way you said it came off bad then.
All I'm saying is the redline needs fixed before increasing the range, I personally don't think you need more than 3 bullets a clip but I always reload after 1 shot anyways.

Neckbearding a weapon 24/7 does not make anyone more qualified to talk about an issue than anyone else.

Dedicated snipers are not the only people who get to voice their opinions because here are two sides to an engagement. Because of this, the player getting shot also gets a say.

All i'm concerned about is CCP reverting sniper range to what is was before. 350 meters is more than enough to outrange everyone and still find good vantage points and lines of sight. With this range, the sniper would be vulnerable to flankers (so carry a good backup).

600 meter snipers was an issue that I do not want to see return.

Someone working for CCP has a prefered range of engagement hard on. That's the primary reasoning.

Primary reason was called Counter Play.

Funny how counterplay seems more limited than ever.

How?

It's now harder to (counter-)snipe redliners and rooftop campers.

Counter sniping anybody has been easier than it has ever been. You just have to move within range, which isn't difficult at all.

If for some reason you cannot get within range, then redliners and roofers wouldn't be a threat to you anyway. (But I don't see how anybody could fail to get within range)

Counter sniping anybody has been easier than it has ever been. You just have to move within range, which isn't difficult at all.

If for some reason you cannot get within range, then redliners and roofers wouldn't be a threat to you anyway. (But I don't see how anybody could fail to get within range)

i've got one thing although it encompasses several things therein.

Make the sniper rifle actually skill based.

Make the rifle dependent on a light suit variant and the sniper skills to be effective. Make it useless without the skills and weaker without the suit. Take away the mil sniper rifle's inherent ability. Without skills make the scope distance reduced to 100m, RoF reduced and sway increased.

Because if you are within range of the redline sniper, then you yourself are nearly by their redline yourself in the thick of it fighting against not only the sniper you're trying to kill, but the general infantry on the field as well, things like shotgun scouts and heavies that even in a commando you really have zero defense against.

It's like being AV where you don't receive wp for damage dealt, and you need to be a stationary target to use your weapon. It's not a fun, nor rewarding role to play.

First hh?

Second yes I guess ( the hh thing) since haven't been playing but a basic should not in my opinion hs kill any suit above 800 armor. 2 shot for a full spec'd calmando with full trees for SR's with a basic SR. Though my thoughts conflict on a proto sniper taking any suit ehp wise, just rough estimate but, 850-900 armor based.

Three You ran with me most if not all of my clone growth so you and I know the pro cons of sniping and being sniped. (Still miss those 2-man sniper, shotty, nk games we had) Also as you stated and I stated on many posts map design is not one of the pluses CCP has for long range users and mostly thrives on CQC maps with enclosed spaces where most weapons are made for and CQC Scout, point-defense Heavy, assault and equipment/heal logi.

Four May be a personal question but do YOU find d-mods viable anymore because I feel they just take up that extra ehp you have now rather than before where when you fit them on you were out to slay no questions asked.

Five i'm a precision sniper style that runs as a mobile tact sniper style only when countering for those who may bring this up. Which also puts me in your "...keep on the move or change to a different variant of weapon if need be" guidelines. Tell me if i'm wrong though.

I also like the tiered idea too though i'm already maxed and won't get out of snipers at any point in my dust career.

Extra lol'd at the community getting worse by the day thinking "Why doesn't some of the others know this yet?"

Neckbearding a weapon 24/7 does not make anyone more qualified to talk about an issue than anyone else.

Dedicated snipers are not the only people who get to voice their opinions because here are two sides to an engagement. Because of this, the player getting shot also gets a say.

i would do kick to a negative value for laughs.... a gun that kicks down lol

Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?