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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:06:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Let's say you get a single attribute change. What is it?
Remove sniper sway on tactical entirely so its possible to use it effectively in the 100-200m ranges the weapon is intended to be used in..
Increase scope zoom on charge rifle so its possible to get a head shot without getting lucky in the 300-400m ranges the weapon is intended to be used in.
Also whatever you do please dont make heavy redline snipers immune to death again. Headshots from charge rifles should kill anything, and I dont want to go back to a system that rewarded hp stacking over skill. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:21:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Triple tactical head shot killed most of the heavy snipers in previous builds.
-followed by getting a heavy sniper into armor, with no armor repair left them as an easy target.
-heavy suits offer a bigger hitbox (easier to spot + easier to scan + easier to hit + slow movement)
The tactical was the "head shot counter sniping rifle" You knew when someone was using the Tactical, they had it out for snipers.
Now with 6 bullets in the magazine, you can stick it to any sniper within 350m with them having no chance of survival.
Heavy red line snipers weren't immune to death. They were just immune to bad counter sniping.
If they were too stupid to move after the second shot they deserved to die, and if they weren't near cover they also deserved to die.
If you want to make vehicle driver tier arguments let me clarify: heavy snipers were immune to death UNLESS THEY WERE ********. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:30:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Still.. red line heavy snipers were annoying at best..
Not very effective in general..
If they presented a problem, I would often move out of their line of sight to a different sniping platform and simply ignore them.
I agree they arent very effective in general (most redline sniping isnt), but its just silly that hp stacking was so effective against sniper rifles, and one of the main problems with sniper rifles before the current changes were put into place.
I much prefer the current system where a headshot (at least on the charge rifle) means what you are shooting is dead, no ifs ands or buts. Otherwise everyone just HP stacks their snipers because it was easily the best thing you could do. I dont know about you but I, for one, was tired of all the shitstain heavy snipers sitting silhouetted against the sky, obvious to everyone who looked their way, being nearly immune to being killed unless you got a friend to line up simultaneous headshots which wouldnt always headshot because the old reticles were freaking aweful.
Its just like above where you complain about the commando dmg buff making the cal commando the go to sniper suit, only before it was heavy suits because of hp stacking making it so you had to headshot them consistently over 3-5 seconds of fire and hope they are so braindead they dont move.
And I dont necessarily think the cal commando is the best option if you arent redline sniping, generally when Im sniping in the field without a squad I will use a caldari scout for the scan avoidance, passive scans, and cloak. Sure if you're traveling with a squad and want to contribute some fire support cal commando is better, but then your sniper rifle becomes a secondary weapon since the rail rifle can handle the vast majority of what you will encounter, and do it faster and with less personal risk. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.08 17:57:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:
14/16 headshots resulted in a kill from my video (see original post, or top of page 3)
The tradeoff for 2 bullets and 200m range isn't worth the 2 extra kills you might get in an extraordinary match.
I was hoping you might see that.
If we're talking about PC viability, none of the sniper rifles have ever been up to snuff as long as Ive been playing. If we're talking normal matches, 5 bullets is clearly better, but I think the rifle is still much better off in the current version than the previous.
Symbioticforks wrote:
Heavy suits were not for good snipers in general.. It wasn't a serious problem, just annoying. They didn't even have nano hives.
Many of the best snipers were using Minmitar Assault / Caldari Logi for sniping
Damage Mods / Equipment / Compact Nanohives / Innate Armor Regen / Expanded High Slot Loadouts
The go to suit before wasn't the heavy suit. In reality it was the Frontline - Sniper. That was the most common sniper suit.
And yet when people pulled out their thales, 9/10 times it was a heavy suit using it. And they were very difficult to kill without suicide diving with an HMG.
But if generally usability is what people go for, logi is better, yes. I used to use a Gal Logi myself for redline fit.
And as to the frontline sniper... is that a joke? It may have been the most common fit, but it certainly wasn't the best, quite the opposite. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:07:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Yeah most common, not the best fit.
As for this heavy with a Thale's comment. Keeping in mind it's officer gear it should out peform the other sniper rifles. Allowing the user to be more troublesome. If a tactical sniper rifle wasn't the best counter-sniping solution. Pulling out your own Thale's certainly was.
And it does outperform other sniper rifles. Its just that now you cant put it on a suit that is in practice invincible to retaliation. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.08 20:38:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:I think the consensus was the standard sniper rifle was the best now..
1200 dmg on a headshot.. and enough bullets in a clip to spam fire hoping for one.. and if your inteded target doesn't die from a headshot you can easily kill them with a zero delay follow up body shot..
I thought that just after the patch, but I think the charge is better these days. Not really sure. |
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