Djinn Kujo, hands down, was the most powerful merc in dust history. I realized this when I witnessed him turn enemies into allies not once but 3 times! Now, I don't know if it was Kujo or someone representing for AE. If it wasn't Kujo, then I'd have to change my vote. But if it was Kujo (and not a representative) each time, then he would get my vote.

A very close second would be Cubs, hands down. There was a time where if you wanted something in MH, Cubs was the man to talk to. Not to mention that he commanded one of MH's best corps ever. Retired and came back and commanded one of the best teams ever. To be able to leave and come back like he did is reminiscent of Michael Jordan.

After those two is everyone else, tbh.

Pawns... all of them in a much bigger game.

Depending on which situations you're talking about, I attribute Kane to making certain things happen, not Kujo.

Please do, Im all ears.

If you're going to put Cronos in there then you can't leave out NF

I was referring to when NF helped AE and then when OH and FA helped AE

Because of FA, players like dwater, palatinate, Ken, Jenova, etc became names that you had to respect.

Dude there are literally entire corps of beasts that would command respect at the drop of their name if they hadn't quit because they were languishing in corps bored out of their minds but their respective corps refused or were simply incapable of giving them the content they needed to actually enjoy dust.

So many beasts have quit this game when they should have been more.

And the only thing stopping them was their leadership refusing to enable them to get the content they craved and deserved.

It's a funny paradox..I respect individual players who have loyalty to their tags, and yet have nothing but contempt for leadership that does little to nothing to enable them.

Watching players who fit this description leave dust has been the sickest feeling i've endured while playing dust.

I think Kane deserves more credit personally because I remember reading in the chats so often how Cubs would come in and Kane would smooth his concerns out.

It was just FLABBERGASTING. Inexplicable.

This was the guy that stubbornly said something...and it was done. over. No more questions.

And here was Kane just setting the goals and ironing out the details like Cubs was a child.
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Kane definitely didn't have Cubs on a string. If you remember, he wanted to take a seat back from the logistics. He may not have agreed with all that Kane may have done but if it wasn't a big deal to him, I don't think that he fought it.

*sigh*

Kain Spero

DNSBlack

Zatara Rought

Roman837

Espeon Bons

CHICAGOCUBS4EVER (or whatever his name is)

0.H leadership (Tiberius and Quasar..?)

DJINN Kujo



yeah i legitimately can't think of the 10th person.

Yeah honestly I'd give props to Kane for those.

When NF betrayed FA it was his decision and plan to go to AE from my understanding. Kane approached AE.

This forced us into a position. Man, I already had immense respect for Kujo and -especially- Soul. There were some trash talkers that got on some nerves, but FA always respected AE for being one family, one flag....where NF was whatever best ringer they could hire...that's their team. Such a departure from TP culture of rarely if ever using ringers (unless we were seriously understaffed or wanted to recruit them...see Sponge and Revoltz). I never liked Cubs after the way we parted ways and the antagonistic ego-fueled interactions we had. (not that i'm guilt-less at all, we both **** on any real opportunity to put behind the aftermath of my decision not to return to TP after Reg went to PS4 and I took the guys I had recruited to form FA)

So I feel like Kane more that Kujo was the driver of those decisions. Unless I'm mistaken he was the driving force for allowing AE to hire them. And he was obviously the reason I was put into a position where instead of fighting AE (because they persecuted FA much the same way TP persecuted AE when they created it and because they'd been the 'top dog' since TP and indeed EoN. as a whole left the game) I was left with little choice but to help AE in leaking NF's plans to destroy AE.

The other thing that has to be considered is the situation. Would NF have sided with AE if FA didn't exist? Would AE have sided with NF if NF and FA hadn't been beating the **** out of them?

Whenever there's three powers, inevitably 2 will overpower one.

Just jealousy and pride from NF that really tore it up. (They knew we'd have matched AE isk if they'd asked...they were just butthurt about stupid **** like the fact we'd been offered contracts to take out AE for 2 billion and the allure of spiting us was something I never predicted. They can say otherwise but that's honestly how it was perceived. I was plain stupid and didn't think of the consequences of being a little **** concerning my undercutting of their district service. (See where I SERIOUSLY gave them a heart attack because FA offered to give districts away for base cost (like 50-100m) as opposed to their MUCH higher pricing (200% plus).

I know they were mad about how we were extorting them on prices for providing Eve support and then they were mad when we had 2 many fights to accomodate them (they lost to AE a few times when they didn't have Eve support...this being another small reason why I think in the long run some were concerned that helping us defeat AE would spell the end for them...as you saw how the meta rolled out in here (anyone remember Sota's "snakes on a plane" alt?) when AE and FA worked together on a separate contract to beat NF soundly on a defense on the district I gave OH to get them back into PC. (only for them to be prideful and refuse help and get kicked out of PC again for another 3 months)

I've gotten way off topic here, but suffice it to say that when there are 3 powers. 2 will inevitably work to destroy the third.

I think Kane deserves more credit personally because I remember reading in the chats so often how Cubs would come in and Kane would smooth his concerns out.

It was just FLABBERGASTING. Inexplicable.

This was the guy that stubbornly said something...and it was done. over. No more questions.

And here was Kane just setting the goals and ironing out the details like Cubs was a child.

I'm not dissing on Cubs, I'm just giving props to Kane man. The dude's meta was the best.

I never felt like I was fighting Cubs when I was meta'ing against NF...it was Kane and Fiddle and Sota man. and maybe a little Beers but I think Kane was the real deal.

SMH, Kane beat me fair and square in the metagaming.

But it was never personal. When I met Kane at FF we were pals. He bought me breakfast man.

And that made the decision to betray him absolutely gutwrenching. For a long moment I seriously had 2nd thoughts..this isn't something anyone ever knew but maybe Ken and a few others I confided in...but w/e now you all know.

I was on a bus to the airport for the return trip and a friend there with me instructed me to betray DNS. I was so disoriented that morning (for numerous reasons)..but I never really looked back after he told me to attack them.

Wow I am going to get trolled for all the juicy **** I put in here.

Writing posts that give me nostalgia (I'd have never left and FA would never have happened if Imagio and Hightimes and Xero and everyone like the twins hadn't quit ) is like prinkles..once you pop the fun don't stop.

Yeah honestly I'd give props to Kane for those.

When NF betrayed FA it was his decision and plan to go to AE from my understanding. Kane approached AE.

This forced us into a position. Man, I already had immense respect for Kujo and -especially- Soul. There were some trash talkers that got on some nerves, but FA always respected AE for being one family, one flag....where NF was whatever best ringer they could hire...that's their team. Such a departure from TP culture of rarely if ever using ringers (unless we were seriously understaffed or wanted to recruit them...see Sponge and Revoltz). I never liked Cubs after the way we parted ways and the antagonistic ego-fueled interactions we had. (not that i'm guilt-less at all, we both **** on any real opportunity to put behind the aftermath of my decision not to return to TP after Reg went to PS4 and I took the guys I had recruited to form FA)

So I feel like Kane more that Kujo was the driver of those decisions. Unless I'm mistaken he was the driving force for allowing AE to hire them. And he was obviously the reason I was put into a position where instead of fighting AE (because they persecuted FA much the same way TP persecuted AE when they created it and because they'd been the 'top dog' since TP and indeed EoN. as a whole left the game) I was left with little choice but to help AE in leaking NF's plans to destroy AE.

The other thing that has to be considered is the situation. Would NF have sided with AE if FA didn't exist? Would AE have sided with NF if NF and FA hadn't been beating the **** out of them?

Whenever there's three powers, inevitably 2 will overpower one.

Just jealousy and pride from NF that really tore it up. (They knew we'd have matched AE isk if they'd asked...they were just butthurt about stupid **** like the fact we'd been offered contracts to take out AE for 2 billion and the allure of spiting us was something I never predicted. They can say otherwise but that's honestly how it was perceived. I was plain stupid and didn't think of the consequences of being a little **** concerning my undercutting of their district service. (See where I SERIOUSLY gave them a heart attack because FA offered to give districts away for base cost (like 50-100m) as opposed to their MUCH higher pricing (200% plus).

I know they were mad about how we were extorting them on prices for providing Eve support and then they were mad when we had 2 many fights to accomodate them (they lost to AE a few times when they didn't have Eve support...this being another small reason why I think in the long run some were concerned that helping us defeat AE would spell the end for them...as you saw how the meta rolled out in here (anyone remember Sota's "snakes on a plane" alt?) when AE and FA worked together on a separate contract to beat NF soundly on a defense on the district I gave OH to get them back into PC. (only for them to be prideful and refuse help and get kicked out of PC again for another 3 months)

I've gotten way off topic here, but suffice it to say that when there are 3 powers. 2 will inevitably work to destroy the third.

I think Kane deserves more credit personally because I remember reading in the chats so often how Cubs would come in and Kane would smooth his concerns out.

It was just FLABBERGASTING. Inexplicable.

This was the guy that stubbornly said something...and it was done. over. No more questions.

And here was Kane just setting the goals and ironing out the details like Cubs was a child.

I'm not dissing on Cubs, I'm just giving props to Kane man. The dude's meta was the best.

I never felt like I was fighting Cubs when I was meta'ing against NF...it was Kane and Fiddle and Sota man. and maybe a little Beers but I think Kane was the real deal.

SMH, Kane beat me fair and square in the metagaming.

But it was never personal. When I met Kane at FF we were pals. He bought me breakfast man.

And that made the decision to betray him absolutely gutwrenching. For a long moment I seriously had 2nd thoughts..this isn't something anyone ever knew but maybe Ken and a few others I confided in...but w/e now you all know.

I was on a bus to the airport for the return trip and a friend there with me instructed me to betray DNS. I was so disoriented that morning (for numerous reasons)..but I never really looked back after he told me to attack them.

Wow I am going to get trolled for all the juicy **** I put in here.

Writing posts that give me nostalgia (I'd have never left and FA would never have happened if Imagio and Hightimes and Xero and everyone like the twins hadn't quit ) is like prinkles..once you pop the fun don't stop.

Remember DNS black's idea for a tv show??? OMG lmao.

Game of Clones

I'm pretty sure Victor holds all the cards in this games, people just haven't accepted he's the puppeteer behind every major event and power shift.

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I'm mistaken he(Kane) was the driving force for allowing AE to hire them.

Best player I can remember and I mean straight slaying was, lightning..jesus that dude...the day after FF he just left..

Compared to how things are now - I look back on those days as good times.

Kain definitely has a head for the meta. But I would say as an inside source working side by side with Kain and Cubs that it was Cubs who actually had the upper hand in everything.

Everything Kain did was quite literally for Cubs. There would of been no DNS if Cubs hadn't made it a do or die for his participation in NF. Which is why I originally made contact with Tso - but Kain and Tso made things personal and it blew up in my face.

So Kain got DNS support - and we all saw where that went. It wasn't so much Kain having amazing Meta game - then it was that the pieces on the board just came together so well for what NF was trying to accomplish.

Cubs was the real head of Negative-Feedback during ERA's reign, and Kain the face. Kain was also the main decision maker for alliance wide decisions - but Cubs was the reason it all stayed together.

They were a great duo.

Eve support was a HUGE factor in our decision making at the time. Probably priority #1. While Kane did make the AE contract decision on his own, the ultimate goal was to obtain support of our own at some point in the (hopefully near) future. I give Kane a lot of credit: There was a very real chance that we could have been annihilated immediately at that point and he was able to turn it into initiative (There are other people to thank and reasons why things had to be done in a certain way, but I prefer to not get too deep into them).

Ultimately however, the core of the organization followed Cubs and it was up to Kane to convince Cubs for anything really to happen... Even after Cubs quit playing. Nobody else had the respect as a player/FC/manager. I always tried to tread as lightly around the players as possible. No one wants to hear the MD speed build guy try to tell them what to do.