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Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4940	Posted - 2014.12.06 01:33:00 - [1] - Quote Perhaps biased because I was in TeamPlayers but here goes: Cubs was the most powerful...When I perceived Cubs started letting Kane make the meta decisions (and THAT was crazy for me to watch) then Kane was. I think Mavado was the alliance leader, but when HS attacked EoN. it was Cubs who sent the messages to Kujo. When OH attacked and subsequently learned that their flaylock spam was insufficient...it was Cubs who negotiated them coming into EoN. AE leadership (Kujo indisputably made HS go, but AE was a different animal. Soul and others stepped up and he wasn't the only one steering that ship. I think Sha was a super powerful leader. I think Mavado was a very powerful leader. Back in the day I think Quick was a very powerful leader. I never knew the Zitro's extensively. I only met them after the fact and only squadded with them a handful of times while they played. But my perception is that they managed to keep a bunch of leaders like PDiggy22 together and satisfied. To keep that many leaders and ego's and for it to function? That's some charisma. I think for all my issues with his decision making Radar kept his family together for the most part, and a powerful family it is/was. No one can deny the bonds that tied people like Blitz and Tibs and Guy. When I was forming FA I wanted FA to be between the sizes of TP (small) and AE (larger). I wanted the drive I felt in TP. The expectation that TP embodied. Cubs expected us to show up...and we did. Someone once said "I don't get how you guys can be there every time with such consistency" we literally had like like 10 10 who rotated about 4-5 positions but the same 10 were here every single night in our prime. I remember beating in SyN in the tourney and Mavado being disappointed his best guys chose not to log in. I remember certain TP members refusing to log on for the tourney final for w/e reason and realizing it just wasn't the same. I saw people who formed communities that were so amazingly loyal and inspired loyalty. I'm so grateful for loyalty from people like Skeletor, Ken, Himiko, and so many others like Lags and Devin. In a game that so often watches droves leave STB or KEQ or so may other places...sticking around and forgiving and being humble and growing and being willing to accept imperfect people (especially me) has been such a blessing. Look at RND man. Look at the loyalty leaders like Dubbs inspire. I was never a leader man. I got on dust and had no idea that this game could afford you these types of opportunities if you have the time and will to make it so. it's a fascinating game. It's still surreal sometimes. Like here's a prime comment for me to get trolled about so feel free I'm giving it to you free but think Sure there are others who are much more qualified to be CPM instead of myself, but the fact that I managed to get like 150 people to vote for me among a few other people who absolutely could have been great CPM's (looking at Pokey particularly) and that's just the ones that the system counted if you know how it works. It's actually very humbling. And weird. Because of how intimately i've always relied on others to help me make decisions (Himiko and Black Art at first, Ken and people like Xero, and then people like Skeletor and Lags and Devin still later) I don't think I qualify as being particularly powerful. The only time I felt powerful as a leader was when in my absence ** went to pieces and then I'd come back and feel like the ship got righted and we'd start acting like ourselves again. Thankfully though those days have passed. Loyalty is the most sought after thing in dust. If you can maintain a competitive mindset and yet never consider leaving when your clan gets on...welcome to the club. TP did it, AE did it, FA did it, OH did it..and others before PC was released. It's the ones that ragequit when they start losing that are dissatisfying. And inasmuch as leadership is tied to keeping their troops around when gets hard...props to those leaders. Just my thoughts. Really interesting topic Silver! Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4945	Posted - 2014.12.06 05:29:00 - [2] - Quote Deranged Disaster wrote: Sha Kharn Clone, easy. He convinced me to like ponies. Omg Deranged logged on the forums. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4953	Posted - 2014.12.06 22:33:00 - [3] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Djinn Kujo, hands down, was the most powerful merc in dust history. I realized this when I witnessed him turn enemies into allies not once but 3 times! Now, I don't know if it was Kujo or someone representing for AE. If it wasn't Kujo, then I'd have to change my vote. But if it was Kujo (and not a representative) each time, then he would get my vote. A very close second would be Cubs, hands down. There was a time where if you wanted something in MH, Cubs was the man to talk to. Not to mention that he commanded one of MH's best corps ever. Retired and came back and commanded one of the best teams ever. To be able to leave and come back like he did is reminiscent of Michael Jordan. After those two is everyone else, tbh. Depending on which situations you're talking about, I attribute Kane to making certain things happen, not Kujo. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4955	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:04:00 - [4] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I was referring to when NF helped AE and then when OH and FA helped AE Yeah honestly I'd give props to Kane for those. When NF betrayed FA it was his decision and plan to go to AE from my understanding. Kane approached AE. This forced us into a position. Man, I already had immense respect for Kujo and -especially- Soul. There were some trash talkers that got on some nerves, but FA always respected AE for being one family, one flag....where NF was whatever best ringer they could hire...that's their team. Such a departure from TP culture of rarely if ever using ringers (unless we were seriously understaffed or wanted to recruit them...see Sponge and Revoltz). I never liked Cubs after the way we parted ways and the antagonistic ego-fueled interactions we had. (not that i'm guilt-less at all, we both ** on any real opportunity to put behind the aftermath of my decision not to return to TP after Reg went to PS4 and I took the guys I had recruited to form FA) So I feel like Kane more that Kujo was the driver of those decisions. Unless I'm mistaken he was the driving force for allowing AE to hire them. And he was obviously the reason I was put into a position where instead of fighting AE (because they persecuted FA much the same way TP persecuted AE when they created it and because they'd been the 'top dog' since TP and indeed EoN. as a whole left the game) I was left with little choice but to help AE in leaking NF's plans to destroy AE. The other thing that has to be considered is the situation. Would NF have sided with AE if FA didn't exist? Would AE have sided with NF if NF and FA hadn't been beating the out of them? Whenever there's three powers, inevitably 2 will overpower one. Just jealousy and pride from NF that really tore it up. (They knew we'd have matched AE isk if they'd asked...they were just butthurt about stupid like the fact we'd been offered contracts to take out AE for 2 billion and the allure of spiting us was something I never predicted. They can say otherwise but that's honestly how it was perceived. I was plain stupid and didn't think of the consequences of being a little ** concerning my undercutting of their district service. (See where I SERIOUSLY gave them a heart attack because FA offered to give districts away for base cost (like 50-100m) as opposed to their MUCH higher pricing (200% plus). I know they were mad about how we were extorting them on prices for providing Eve support and then they were mad when we had 2 many fights to accomodate them (they lost to AE a few times when they didn't have Eve support...this being another small reason why I think in the long run some were concerned that helping us defeat AE would spell the end for them...as you saw how the meta rolled out in here (anyone remember Sota's "snakes on a plane" alt?) when AE and FA worked together on a separate contract to beat NF soundly on a defense on the district I gave OH to get them back into PC. (only for them to be prideful and refuse help and get kicked out of PC again for another 3 months) I've gotten way off topic here, but suffice it to say that when there are 3 powers. 2 will inevitably work to destroy the third. I think Kane deserves more credit personally because I remember reading in the chats so often how Cubs would come in and Kane would smooth his concerns out. It was just FLABBERGASTING. Inexplicable. This was the guy that stubbornly said something...and it was done. over. No more questions. And here was Kane just setting the goals and ironing out the details like Cubs was a child. I'm not dissing on Cubs, I'm just giving props to Kane man. The dude's meta was the best. I never felt like I was fighting Cubs when I was meta'ing against NF...it was Kane and Fiddle and Sota man. and maybe a little Beers but I think Kane was the real deal. SMH, Kane beat me fair and square in the metagaming. But it was never personal. When I met Kane at FF we were pals. He bought me breakfast man. And that made the decision to betray him absolutely gutwrenching. For a long moment I seriously had 2nd thoughts..this isn't something anyone ever knew but maybe Ken and a few others I confided in...but w/e now you all know. I was on a bus back to the States and a friend told me to betray DNS. I was so disoriented that morning (for numerous reasons)..but I never really looked back after he told me to attack them. Wow I am going to get trolled for all the juicy ** I put in here. Writing posts that give me nostalgia (I'd have never left and FA would never have happened if Imagio and Hightimes and Xero and everyone like the twins hadn't quit ) is like prinkles..once you pop the fun don't stop. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4955	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:14:00 - [5] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Because of FA, players like dwater, palatinate, Ken, Jenova, etc became names that you had to respect. Dude there are literally entire corps of beasts that would command respect at the drop of their name if they hadn't quit because they were languishing in corps bored out of their minds but their respective corps refused or were simply incapable of giving them the content they needed to actually enjoy dust. So many beasts have quit this game when they should have been more. And the only thing stopping them was their leadership refusing to enable them to get the content they craved and deserved. It's a funny paradox..I respect individual players who have loyalty to their tags, and yet have nothing but contempt for leadership that does little to nothing to enable them. Watching players who fit this description leave dust has been the sickest feeling i've endured while playing dust. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4956	Posted - 2014.12.07 08:23:00 - [6] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Kane definitely didn't have Cubs on a string. If you remember, he wanted to take a seat back from the logistics. He may not have agreed with all that Kane may have done but if it wasn't a big deal to him, I don't think that he fought it. This is where we disagree. I mean take this quote from a chat you were in: [3/14/14 2:27:34 PM] CUBS: there a lots of things that have been at play that neither of us are in the loop on [3/14/14 2:27:36 PM] Zatara Rought: it's not us... [3/14/14 2:27:50 PM] Zatara Rought: it's the ** between Tso's and Kane [3/14/14 2:27:54 PM] CUBS: im aware of some of it, but even I get the feeling there is something else that im not in on. Or messages like this: [3/31/14 12:57:49 PM] CUBS: i dont see that at all [3/31/14 12:58:07 PM] Kane Spero: Cubs you are going to have to trust me on this [3/31/14 1:00:11 PM] CUBS: I DO trust you, but here we are once again with a move leaving many people scratching their heads [3/31/14 1:00:22 PM] CUBS: and THEY are the reason YOU have the power There's like a ton of gems like this....so many times where Kane just made decisions to the ire of Cubs, Fiddle, you, myself...everyone. And no one really ever put the foot down. Remember DNS black's idea for a tv show??? OMG lmao. I gotta stop here, but I can see where you're coming from and you're probably right. I just saw stuff differently, probably biased a bit. Just a little you know? ;D Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution** Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what

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