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The leadership in AE was something I had never seen before. It seemed like no one person ever made a decision. There was Soul/Kujo of course but then you had Doc/Steel/Rampy and others that would contribute. Meetings would be so much fun because we would just attack someone for something as simple as a "gg" lol...good stuff. I miss those guys!

Looking back at things I can't help but wonder why certain corps didn't just man up in the whole DNS deal.

FA fought down till the last few districts.

Why did AE just bow to Kane and let him swoop them into DNS?

If I was AE I would have just knuckled under and pushed back.

Unfortunately for FA, this left us in the 2v1 situation which meant we were going to be done at a certain point of time.

Regardless of the history behind it all, the times playing PC against NF and AE were the most fun for me.

Other corps like Nyain, DDB, Pradox, KEQ, etc seemed like practice matches inbetween NF and AE matches at the time.

Looking back at things I can't help but wonder why certain corps didn't just man up in the whole DNS deal.

FA fought down till the last few districts.

Why did AE just bow to Kane and let him swoop them into DNS?

If I was AE I would have just knuckled under and pushed back.

Unfortunately for FA, this left us in the 2v1 situation which meant we were going to be done at a certain point of time.

Regardless of the history behind it all, the times playing PC against NF and AE were the most fun for me.

Other corps like Nyain, DDB, Pradox, KEQ, etc seemed like practice matches inbetween NF and AE matches at the time.

Yeah, AE was always 1337

But I've always truly wondered who would've prevailed in an AE vs. imps fight.

They were both dominant during two different times along DUST's development.

But if you've been around DUST long enough and remember each, experienced each, then who do you think would have won?

2014.03.14 17:39
RA has hired us.
From: XXXX
To: DNSBLACK

I think last time we talked you mentioned you were aligned with RA, which put a damper on the possibility of joint ops.

Well, RA got tired of us taking(and selling) their land, so they have hired us to fight along side them.

While I think this is bad for the health of the game in the medium-term (as we can field the best team, and RA can field the 2nd best team), this will provide targets in Molden Heath since the lesser corps will likely be combining their eve forces to oppose us.

Keep an eye on the skies for small-gang fights from tonight onwards, and I'll feed you any solid information I can get on potential targets.

Dude there are literally entire corps of beasts that would command respect at the drop of their name if they hadn't quit because they were languishing in corps bored out of their minds but their respective corps refused or were simply incapable of giving them the content they needed to actually enjoy dust.

So many beasts have quit this game when they should have been more.

And the only thing stopping them was their leadership refusing to enable them to get the content they craved and deserved.

It's a funny paradox..I respect individual players who have loyalty to their tags, and yet have nothing but contempt for leadership that does little to nothing to enable them.

Watching players who fit this description leave dust has been the sickest feeling i've endured while playing dust.

You have to remember that a good amount o AE came from the Imp/IE group.

But judging from what I perceived, I don't think the Imps had AE's teamwork. But again, it was early in pc where everyone was still learning what's best. Imps' roster was bested by noone in Dust ever. They could have filled 2 squads with 7 KDR players easy. If the Imps would have adapted and learned teamwork to go with their raw talent, Imps would have won that war.

Remember Regnyum, protoman, Reflex, Zitros, Ludvig, Moejoe, G-slick, etc. I'm not even counting the endless players that were competent enough to compete with anyone plus others that I can't even remember their names.

Imps teamwork was awful. So awful I don't think any other team knew how to handle us. If you check our old website with our PC recordings and score - we absolutely dominated and never, ever, used a link. Lol

We held a point - would never die and slaughter all in sight. The teamwork was badly coordinated - but the squads themselves were put in such a way that any group could handle any situation. From reps to revives to support weapons and main slayer weapons. Imps used to get together to talk where they put there SP to better form squads. They lived and breathed being the best in Dust through absolute skill.

I can imagine how awesome the Imps would be if they used current strategies.

You have to remember that a good amount o AE came from the Imp/IE group.

But judging from what I perceived, I don't think the Imps had AE's teamwork. But again, it was early in pc where everyone was still learning what's best. Imps' roster was bested by noone in Dust ever. They could have filled 2 squads with 7 KDR players easy. If the Imps would have adapted and learned teamwork to go with their raw talent, Imps would have won that war.

Remember Regnyum, protoman, Reflex, Zitros, Ludvig, Moejoe, G-slick, etc. I'm not even counting the endless players that were competent enough to compete with anyone plus others that I can't even remember their names.

Agree mostly Dubbs, but I have little doubt who would have been winner in that. We almost beat Imp's A squad with a thrown together team(STB&Friends vs Imps match 3 of the day). Granted, there were a lot of really solid players on that thrown together team, but you would expect a little more from guys of that caliber who had been playing together for a few months. Imps had incredible pure talent for sure, but post-1.4ish AE would have smacked them silly.

AE would lose a lot of good players, doc,Titus, etc. Imps would still have Protoman, Reg, Reflex and many others, as someone who was in AE, not when they were the "top" corp Though, they were no where near the talent of Imps. All in all I would have liked AE more if it would have ended differently. They were a bunch of cool guys but I wouldn't put their talents on par with Imps.

Why did AE just bow to Kane and let him swoop them into DNS?

After that, things spiraled out of control.

Dert describes it as precisely as it needs to be described until that point.

1. We had an alliance dust meeting where a few select corps just spammed 100%!!!1
2. AE launched on PFC claiming 100%!!!1
3. NF launched on Kalante and rampages pet districts claiming 100%....
4. Wheels almost come off(for like the tenth time)
5. Things get smoothed over(AE agrees to let ERA handle PFC, NF agrees to 100% goal)
6. I find myself in a position where I have a ton of clones, the ability to fairly reliably "Lock pick" districts, the ability to launch attacks, and three full teams of players to attack with.
7. 99%. 2007 super bowl all over again.

You forget to say DNSblack was the one that said get 100%, fiddle did a good job getting attacks on those districts that were locked

Dert describes it as precisely as it needs to be described until that point.

1. We had an alliance dust meeting where a few select corps just spammed 100%!!!1
2. AE launched on PFC claiming 100%!!!1
3. NF launched on Kalante and rampages pet districts claiming 100%....
4. Wheels almost come off(for like the tenth time)
5. Things get smoothed over(AE agrees to let ERA handle PFC, NF agrees to 100% goal)
6. I find myself in a position where I have a ton of clones, the ability to fairly reliably "Lock pick" districts, the ability to launch attacks, and three full teams of players to attack with.
7. 99%. 2007 super bowl all over again.

I had the chance to play against them when they were trying to push STB out the first time. We beat a team they sent out in one of the matches. Lo' and behold, the bat signal got sent out and the next match was against their A team. If I was doing the roster for them, I might have replaced 1-2 guys (If the criteria was "Pure Talent"). 10-12 of them had TAC ARs... It was a sight to see. Came down to one tick of armor(It appeared to both sides that imps had no armor left, couldn't have been any closer). The biggest takeaway was that their most talented team almost lost to a ringer squad. Admittedly, it was a pretty talented ringer squad, but if I made the cut, then it was certainly no all-star team... Maybe half an all-star team. We were missing Kono(Who was a big part of our earlier win), but did have quite a few 'best in class' players.

Point being: most of the teams that still play now-a-day would probably wipe the floor with imps as they existed then. They were operationally exceptional and above average in small group tactics, but relied on those advantages too heavily and never developed much strategic depth.

I remember those matches, I was in both of those matches, I believe.

But I remember it was early in the pc days and we were still learning and trying to find our way. I believe that the Imps would have adjusted enough to dominate. I believe this because I look at some of the Imps like Regnyum who dominate pcs in every change of playstyle.

They were never really tested in pc, prior to those first STB battles. They crippled Orion alliance so they must have took it for granted. But I think if they were going hard and wanted to compete, I'm sure they would have made the proper adjustments. Because to be talented as an fps player requires some sort of intelligence. And to have that much talent in their ranks would require on par teamwork to beat most if not all teams on a consistent basis.

I had the chance to play against them when they were trying to push STB out the first time. We beat a team they sent out in one of the matches. Lo' and behold, the bat signal got sent out and the next match was against their A team. If I was doing the roster for them, I might have replaced 1-2 guys (If the criteria was "Pure Talent"). 10-12 of them had TAC ARs... It was a sight to see. Came down to one tick of armor(It appeared to both sides that imps had no armor left, couldn't have been any closer). The biggest takeaway was that their most talented team almost lost to a ringer squad. Admittedly, it was a pretty talented ringer squad, but if I made the cut, then it was certainly no all-star team... Maybe half an all-star team. We were missing Kono(Who was a big part of our earlier win), but did have quite a few 'best in class' players.

Point being: most of the teams that still play now-a-day would probably wipe the floor with imps as they existed then. They were operationally exceptional and above average in small group tactics, but relied on those advantages too heavily and never developed much strategic depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PsL8DWKmI

lol, fast forward to the scoreboard at the end of this game and look at the roster. The worst player on that team was probably Caeli or Markof22. And that says a lot because they both were really good players. From 1-16 were beasts..guys you did not want to come across.

But for you new cats....Calamity and Annie were the beasts that beasts were afraid of. Way before there was a cloak and hit detection to shotgun was improved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4PsL8DWKmI

lol, fast forward to the scoreboard at the end of this game and look at the roster. The worst player on that team was probably Caeli or Markof22. And that says a lot because they both were really good players. From 1-16 were beasts..guys you did not want to come across.

But for you new cats....Calamity and Annie were the beasts that beasts were afraid of. Way before there was a cloak and hit detection to shotgun was improved.