THis just seems super op. IS the combat rifle 60dam per burst or shot? If so, regular CR is ~90dam per burst. The version you suggested would be 120dam. Its the same for all the ones you suggested. I like the ideas but the stats need major tweaking.

It fires slower. The DPS it roughly the same.


In fact, every weapon I suggested has lower DPS than the variants that already exist. Except the TacCR, but I just mad it so it has about the same DPS as the ScR and TacAR.

Do you understand math?

GÇóBurst Scrambler RifleGÇó
Charges, then fires in extremely fast 7 round bursts. The charge cannot be held. Can overheat, but it takes a bit. Has to be fully charged to fire. Amarr Assault will prevent any overheating. I'll give a +1 to whoever can tell me what this weapon is like.

GÇóDamage: 62
GÇóRoF: 1680
GÇóCharge Time: 0.75 seconds.
GÇóBurst Length: 0.25 Seconds.
GÇóBursts per second: 1
GÇóMax DPS: 434
GÇóMagazine Size: 28 (4 bursts)
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 168 (5+1 Magazines)
GÇóDamage per Magazine: 1736
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 10416
GÇóHeat buildup per burst: 30
GÇóOverheat threshold: 100
GÇóOverheat Damage: 120
GÇóReload Speed: Same
GÇóRange: A few meters longer than CR.
GÇóRecoil: Low recoil per shot, but it adds up in the overall burst.
GÇóCPU: Same
GÇóPG: Same

I would do some RR ideas, but to be honest, I really don't care about the RR. I'll let the ones that do care about it propose their own ideas for the Burst RR and TacRR.

So basically it's the Fusion Rifle from Destiny? That's cool I guess.

I'd rather have an Amarrian laser shotgun based on the Fusion Rifle from Destiny, personally. Mostly because then there would be more than three Amarr guns in the entire game.

But yeah, more variants sounds cool too I guess.

I'm not disagreeing that the Fusion Rifle isn't cool (it's pretty chill, IMO), rather I think that the Fusion Rifle's mechanics are more suited to a shotgun weapon.

And while I did Google the "Phage" weapon in Warframe... it is cool for sure, but I don't think it would really fit with an Amarrian weapon. TBH I'm not sure it would work well in DUST- the Phage weapon seems to have a definite need for time to focus the beams, which is something that is usually lacking in DUST.

A pre-fire charge is one thing, but having your damage start as being heavily dispersed and then focusing seems like it ends up wasting ammunition.

Your Tactical Combat Rifle seems a little too, how do I put this...

horribly thought out?

Minmatar, and especially Amarr weapons are extremely lacking in variety. We need to inject some versatility and different playstyles into their rifles. Rifles specifically, because it seems like a relatively easy thing to do, that will be greatly appreciated by the community.

Here are my ideas, but they are just that. My ideas. You can do whatever you like, but I would greatly appreciate it if the Breach Scrambler was a weapon like that.
I think these weapons would add more variety to the rifles in Dust. Something that is kind of lacking. Right now, the only Rifles that are quirky are the ScR and RR. All the other weapons are sort of stagnant.

GÇóBreach Combat RifleGÇó
Fires in heavy, 2 round bursts. Boom boom.

GÇóDamage:64
GÇóRoF: 525
GÇóMax bursts per second: 4.365
GÇóMax DPS:558.72
GÇóMagazine Size: 24 (30 with Minassault)
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 144 rounds. (5+1 Magazines)
GÇóDamage per Mag: 1536 (1920 with Minassault)
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 9216
GÇóReload Speed: Same as CR.
GÇóRange: Identical to CR.
GÇóKick and Recoil: Higher than CR.
GÇóCPU: Same as CR.
GÇóPG: Same as CR.

GÇóBreach Scrambler RifleGÇó
Semiautomatic. Does not overheat. Strong Headshots. Strongly rewards Precision, Accuracy, and Patience.

GÇóDamage: 80
GÇóHeadshot Multiplier: 350%
GÇóRoF: 425
GÇóMax DPS: 566.67
GÇóMagazine Size: 12
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 96 (7+1 Magazines)
GÇóDamage per Mag: 960
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 7680
GÇóReload Speed: Same as ScR.
GÇóRange: Same as ScR
GÇóRecoil: Higher than ScR
GÇóCPU: Same as ScR
GÇóPG: Same as ScR


GÇóTactical Combat RifleGÇó
Feels like a Scout Rifle or Hand Cannon in Destiny. Lots of Alpha, and it feels really powerful. Rewards patience and good accuracy.

GÇóDamage: 205.5
GÇóRoF: 200
GÇóDPS: 685
GÇóMagazine size: 5 (6 with Minassault)
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 40 (7+1 Magazines)
GÇóDamage per Mag: 1027.5 (1233 with Minassault)
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 8220
GÇóReload Speed: Same.
GÇóRange: In between ScR and TacAR.
GÇóRecoil: Very High. The barrel should visibly rise an 3-4cm for every shot.
GÇóCPU: Same.
GÇóPG: Same.


GÇóBurst Scrambler RifleGÇó
Charges, then fires in extremely fast 7 round bursts. The charge cannot be held. Can overheat, but it takes a bit. Has to be fully charged to fire. Amarr Assault will prevent any overheating. I'll give a +1 to whoever can tell me what this weapon is like.

GÇóDamage: 62
GÇóRoF: 1680
GÇóCharge Time: 0.75 seconds.
GÇóBurst Length: 0.25 Seconds.
GÇóBursts per second: 1
GÇóMax DPS: 434
GÇóMagazine Size: 28 (4 bursts)
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 168 (5+1 Magazines)
GÇóDamage per Magazine: 1736
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 10416
GÇóHeat buildup per burst: 30
GÇóOverheat threshold: 100
GÇóOverheat Damage: 120
GÇóReload Speed: Same
GÇóRange: A few meters longer than CR.
GÇóRecoil: Low recoil per shot, but it adds up in the overall burst.
GÇóCPU: Same
GÇóPG: Same

I would do some RR ideas, but to be honest, I really don't care about the RR. I'll let the ones that do care about it propose their own ideas for the Burst RR and TacRR.

Uh, care to elaborate? I'd prefer it if you pointed out something I might have missed, so I can correct it.

No no no no your stats are to op

Right on, I thought it would be pretty obvious, though. I apologize.

Anywho, as you may have noticed, when it comes to projectile weapons, the Minmatar are bullet hoses. The Tactical version of weapons trade clip size for more damage and precise shots. However, the damage is insane, and same with the clip size. The AR goes from 60 to 18 (?) So, the CR would go from... forgot the numbers, but let's say 20.

The Tactical version should still be a burst, but with an enforced slow burst rate and pause, I guess. The pause being Burst AR levels, and firing a bit slower within the Burst AR RoF, but deal more damage at further ranges (and increased zoom, of course.

The recoil may be too high, but I suppose that since it keeps the Burst quality as well, it should rise like the Burst AR, but maybe a bit more.

Just my opinion.

Anywho, more clip size, lower damage, and clip than what you were suggesting.

GÇóBurst Scrambler RifleGÇó
Charges, then fires in extremely fast 7 round bursts. The charge cannot be held. Can overheat, but it takes a bit. Has to be fully charged to fire. Amarr Assault will prevent any overheating. I'll give a +1 to whoever can tell me what this weapon is like.

GÇóDamage: 62
GÇóRoF: 1680
GÇóCharge Time: 0.75 seconds.
GÇóBurst Length: 0.25 Seconds.
GÇóBursts per second: 1
GÇóMax DPS: 434
GÇóMagazine Size: 28 (4 bursts)
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 168 (5+1 Magazines)
GÇóDamage per Magazine: 1736
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 10416
GÇóHeat buildup per burst: 30
GÇóOverheat threshold: 100
GÇóOverheat Damage: 120
GÇóReload Speed: Same
GÇóRange: A few meters longer than CR.
GÇóRecoil: Low recoil per shot, but it adds up in the overall burst.
GÇóCPU: Same
GÇóPG: Same

I would do some RR ideas, but to be honest, I really don't care about the RR. I'll let the ones that do care about it propose their own ideas for the Burst RR and TacRR.

GÇóMinmatar ShotgunGÇó
Fires an insanely fast stream spray of bullets. Heavily rewards the ability to track enemies in close quarters. Takes dakkadakka to the most extreme. Essentially a valve that releases solid uranium.

GÇóDamage per bullet: 1. Yep.
GÇóRoF: 36000. Yep again. 600 glorious rounds per second.
GÇóDPS: 600
GÇóMagazine:1200 (1500 with Minassault)
GÇóDamage per Mag: 1200...
GÇóTotal Carried Ammo: 9600(7+1 mags)
GÇóTotal Carried Damage: 9600...
GÇóReload: 2.25 seconds.
GÇóRange: ~7-8m optimal, 15m effective, 25m absolute.
GÇóRecoil: Absolutely none.
GÇóAccuracy: Wretty wide. About like the HMG.
GÇóOther quirks: Cannot aim down the sights, and only hipfiring is possible. Instead of the damage per shot increasing per tier, the RoF increases. A Prototype on will fire at 39600 RpM, or 660 rounds per second.

You own a modded controller dont you?

I like this idea for the most part, though I have some reservations about it.

It makes me think "blunderbuss that fires uranium gravel".

This makes me think that rather than 600 rps, it should be 600 pellets, it also makes me think that you're vastly underestimating the reload time.

I do really like the idea otherwise though.

Ah, I see. You just think it should be completely different.
While I do subsribe to the idea of each race following a general mantra, I think a little bit of diversity would be better. The weapon you described sounds a little too much like the regular CR, and it would heavily cut into the diversity of the CR class if there was no semiautomatic weapons in it.
And while Minmatar weapons are generally fast firing, you really have to look at how each race would approach the question of "how are we going to fill this weapon role?".
The answer I came up with for a " hit and run semiautomatic than needs to be effective at range"? That thing. It has high alpha, so that you can peekaboo heavy armor tankers before taking cover and firing from a different position.
It does break the stereotypical dakkadakka, but I feel that it is how the Minnie's would fill the role.
That and I've noticed that there is no semiautomatic or alpha damage armor rifle. This is the perfect opportunity to fill those shoes.

Do you think it reloads to fast?
Hmm. I suppose that with Minassault, and that fast of a reload, it would be a little too good at killing Heavy frame suits.

I'll bump it up to 3.5 seconds. It would make sense anyway, since the entire barrel is being replaced every time you reload, since the idea is for it to be a stackfire gun.

Ok, so I had started to respond to this yesterday, got distracted and pulled AFK and then forgot to finish it before I shutdown my computer so here goes round two.

First off, please define "stackfire gun" since that determines if I think you really are underestimating the reload time (since I am thinking "How long would it take to reload a blunderbuss that fires uranium gravel")

Secondly, I like the idea of replacing the entire barrel when you reload, it makes me think of the gun as the "Universe's Deadliest Party Popper"

Lastly, a string triggered metal party popper that fires a mix of uranium gravel and tritanium filiment streamers strikes me as a very MacGuyver/Sebiestor thing to throw together (little bit of this, little bit of that, piece them together like this and then lets go kill some slavers!!).

If you can't tell, I really like this idea.

Jeez. Stackfire guns. Alright.

Imagine a lot of barrels. Its more than 1 barrel. Like 20-30 barrels.

And here's the distinctive part. They are not magazine fed, at all. The bullets are already inside the barrels when you reload. Hundreds of them. Dozens in each barrel.Just stacked in there, specially, with caseless ammunition. The bullets are sort of integrated into the barrel, its all very strange.
Anyhow, these bullets aren't ignited in the typical hammer and primer way that most bullets are. They are ignited electronically. And as you can imagine, when you combine literally lightning fast ingnition, multiple barrels, and cut out any rechambering time, the bullets come out at a very fast rate.
Its kind of like a bunch of roman candles. Except faster, and deadlier.

Nearly 10 years ago today even, there were prototypes that could fire 1,000,000 4mm case less rounds per minute.
There are even ones that can fire 30,000 40mm grenades per minute. Its quite insane.

Here's a few things so you can sort of get a decent idea of these weapons.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE The real Metal Storm prototype. Probably the best video that shows these weapons in action.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iflmHVj1dzU. This is the "Typhoon" seen in Crysis 3. While it is a videogame, they did a very good job of making a realistic representation of one. Its worth showing.

I like this idea even more now.

I figured you would after I explained it a little. Its hard not to like like the idea of a weapon that fires that fast really...