DUST Search - Theoretically Win FW 50% Of Time

Ice Royal Glantix wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that you are either fighting for the Caldari or the Amarr. Based of of this assumtion, I can explain why you are experiencing these results.

At the moment, and for the past few months, highly skilled players have been, and still are, squading up and fighting for the Minmatar and/or the Gallente simply because they like the gear in those factions. Due to these squads of elite players playing on the Minmatar and Gallente sides, the Caldari and Amarr players have been stomped over and over again, which is incredibly demoralizing. Now that this has happened repeatedly, most people who play for Caldari or Amarr don't try to win, as they know it is most likely futile. They either afk or spawn in cheap gear to minimize losses; This allows the Minmatar and Gallente players to go all out as they probably will not die much.

It doesn't matter how good you are, the people who play for Amarr and Caldari are almost always useless. There is nothing you can do to help this if you are going to play solo. FW is a game mode for organized squads, so you can't expect you to make a difference all by your self.

If you want to win FW there are two options. Squad up and queue sync, and/or play for Minmatar/Gallente.

*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15446	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:35:00 - [1] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: On a side note, people with rank 10 in there faction should get unlimited consequence free team killing. "BLAM Stop Being terrible blueberries!" ...I both like and dislike this idea XD I'll shoot the stupid out of them. I like the logic. "Where there something scary at the front......put something even scarier at the back!" I would say I want to be that scary thing....but I don't I want a tank the size of a house! *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15446	Posted - 2014.12.04 08:02:00 - [2] - Quote I doubt over the course of my FW career I've won 50% of my matches and lost the remaining. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15452	Posted - 2014.12.04 09:55:00 - [3] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: Clone D wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I should hope you're not at all happy with the results you're getting, given that they're wildly inaccurate. Accurate forecasting and prediction is only doable when you aren't starting from wildly inaccurate predictions. Why would you hope for someone's misfortune and unhappiness. You must be a terribly bitter person and I feel sorry for you. I hope that you get the data you need to achieve the things you want to in life. I hope you can reciprocate that sentiment toward me some day. I would be like that if I was talking to a brick wall with ears , no brain, but with a mouth. Anyway you guys are wasting time obviously you guys aren't going come to a conclusion because well unstoppable force meets immovable object comes to mind . Just accept the fact that something is wrong with fw so a conclusion that anyone should get 50% win rate is wrong , because quite frankly that hardly ever, ever, ever happens with fw and obviously not the case with the OP. Lastly, matchmaking hardly ever guarantees a 50% win rate to begin with like with any game. Personally I don't see it some much as wrong as not fully fleshed out. Dedicated players with personal interests in FW should have the opportunity to maximise their effectiveness in the field by squadding up.....but this does not mean we should force X unsquaded and uninvested players into direct confrontation with them. So how do you let players who just want to farm **** co-exist with players who care? That depends. If you let specific players who cared chose their battle ground you'd undoubtedly find that other organised players would also step up to oppose them while the remaining population could continue to remain randomly distributed around the FW space or to specific low traffic regions of FW space. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15469	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:19:00 - [4] - Quote FW doesn't have a match making process as far as I am aware. It's just the first 16 or so players who Q-Sync and the first opposing groups of players looking for a fight....which is why Q-Syncing is such a powerful strategy. Nor should FW imo really have anything more than player made match making in the form of specific planets and systems to be targeted..... if any player attempts to deploy to one of these FW zones where organised groups are engaging in region specific fighting they are asking to have their asses handed to them because there are literally 70 other systems they could be fighting in. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15471	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:03:00 - [5] - Quote Clone D wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A dev posting in this thread is not going to magically make all sides ever equal. You asked if you could, as a solo player, increase your chance of being assigned to a winning team. Aside from that essentially being a request to be carried all the time, how exactly do you propose this be accomplished? You press X on the queue, and then get thrown into the first match available. How is this conducive to a dev comment helping you get on a team to carry you? These are all your opinions. Why are you insisting that I want the team to carry me? Did you not read the original post? I am an exceptional player who has been assigned to poor teams in FW. Today, I squadded all day long and experienced the same results. I finished top 3 and the teams that I was assigned to lost every single match all day long. I would like to know what is going on behind the scenes, since the FW outcomes are significantly different from pub. What is wrong with asking how something works? What is wrong with asking for data to better understand a problem? Any player that actually says they are an exceptional player instantly inspires doubt in my mind. Likely than not you are just like me. An average, perhaps even sub average depending on who you ask (Arkena and Lorhak), and can roll newbies and players not putting up concerted resistance. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15473	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:10:00 - [6] - Quote Forming up is a natural part of organised gameplay and it doesn't nearly take 20 minutes in FW to do. PC groups nowadays, and even back when I did PC used to form up and hour before battles and just talk tactics, fits, and other junk. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15473	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:17:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Forming up is a natural part of organised gameplay and it doesn't nearly take 20 minutes in FW to do. PC groups nowadays, and even back when I did PC used to form up and hour before battles and just talk tactics, fits, and other junk. That is fine for some. To me it is just a waste of time, so I avoid waiting around on people and listening to the blather. Don't forget, not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, or feels rewarded by the same aspects as you do. Then it is quite simple - do not play a gamemode with a greater emphasis on organisation and teamwork if you want to just play solo. Indeed. You are taking up a spot on a team that would be better suited for a squadded player. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15474	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:26:00 - [8] - Quote Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Forming up is a natural part of organised gameplay and it doesn't nearly take 20 minutes in FW to do. PC groups nowadays, and even back when I did PC used to form up and hour before battles and just talk tactics, fits, and other junk. That is fine for some. To me it is just a waste of time, so I avoid waiting around on people and listening to the blather. Don't forget, not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, or feels rewarded by the same aspects as you do. Then it is quite simple - do not play a gamemode with a greater emphasis on organisation and teamwork if you want to just play solo. Indeed. You are taking up a spot on a team that would be better suited for a squadded player. It's Dust guys. I can do anything I want to all day long. I can request things from Devs. I can sabotage teams. I can send you 500 million ISK. I can do anything I want to all day long. I could join the winning FW factions. I could wait to queue synch. I could run solo. I can do anything I want to all day long. Yes you can...... and it wouldn't matter in Dust 514 if we used a more EVE side model which would suggest that it doesn't matter if you are there or not, or if you jeopardise militia ops, etc. Militia could self regulate. Again this wouldn't matter if organised groups were able to select there planets and regions ultimately taking them out of the standard solo rotations that way you could queue for your 50% Win/Loss Battles and I could go to the places Dusters are actually needed. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15474	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:28:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Princess? You insult me. I am much closer to the queen of the forums. Glory to my truly astounding amazingness, etc. With the authority of the Empress, and considering Arkena is an Amarrian spy, I declare her/him High Royal Princess of Wisecracks and Smart Arse Comments! *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15479	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:18:00 - [10] - Quote Ice Royal Glantix wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that you are either fighting for the Caldari or the Amarr. Based of of this assumtion, I can explain why you are experiencing these results. At the moment, and for the past few months, highly skilled players have been, and still are, squading up and fighting for the Minmatar and/or the Gallente simply because they like the gear in those factions. Due to these squads of elite players playing on the Minmatar and Gallente sides, the Caldari and Amarr players have been stomped over and over again, which is incredibly demoralizing. Now that this has happened repeatedly, most people who play for Caldari or Amarr don't try to win, as they know it is most likely futile. They either afk or spawn in cheap gear to minimize losses; This allows the Minmatar and Gallente players to go all out as they probably will not die much. It doesn't matter how good you are, the people who play for Amarr and Caldari are almost always useless. There is nothing you can do to help this if you are going to play solo. FW is a game mode for organized squads, so you can't expect you to make a difference all by your self. If you want to win FW there are two options. Squad up and queue sync, and/or play for Minmatar/Gallente. Hmmmm that debatable. This is just the nature of FW. A couple of months ago The Amarr were comparatively walking all over the Minmatar. We had more Syncs running, more players active, more LP rolling in. Kaisar gets his channel organised, a couple more corps farming for the Minmatar and bobs your uncle you have a stronger Min FW force. Couple of weeks or months from now you might seen more corps queuing for the Amarr, PCLAS might deploy again and run more Syncs out of our channel, Deezy might open up Amarr 1 to the public again, and bam we have a more powerful force. Just the nature of the game. Tbh right not I am on FW hiatus from Dust and focusing on EVE where the Amarr are about the take the whole warzone. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15480	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:38:00 - [11] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: True Adamance wrote: FW doesn't have a match making process as far as I am aware. It's just the first 16 or so players who Q-Sync and the first opposing groups of players looking for a fight....which is why Q-Syncing is such a powerful strategy. Nor should FW imo really have anything more than player made match making in the form of specific planets and systems to be targeted..... if any player attempts to deploy to one of these FW zones where organised groups are engaging in region specific fighting they are asking to have their asses handed to them because there are literally 70 other systems they could be fighting in. I don't think that's how it works. I will select all factions and sync solo and still end up waiting 3-5 minutes at times. So either the game tries to hamfist squads together and then lets solo players in to fill the gaps (Which I think is what happens) or only 96 people play FW at any given time making me have to wait for a match to end. Which also may very well be the case I suppose... All I want to be able to do is target specific planets and systems my alliance and militia want's plexing bonuses in. If anyone attempts to join us in that system enemy or otherwise they'd better be ******* ready to fight and not start whining later. They had their chance to choose one of 69 other systems to fight in. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.