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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2991	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:30:00 - [1] - Quote I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6045	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? +1 The Breach AR needs a RANGE nerf. Thats all. Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 186	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:38:00 - [3] - Quote I would just put a recoil when using it while scoping.
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 500	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:46:00 - [4] - Quote The RR complaints were legit and so are the BAR complaints.
hfderrtgvcd 1417	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:48:00 - [5] - Quote Its ******* obnoxious how powerful this thing is. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3766	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:50:00 - [6] - Quote I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 514	Posted - 2014.12.02 22:53:00 - [7] - Quote lol it's broken. Only loyal to the republic.
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1604	Posted - 2014.12.02 23:07:00 - [8] - Quote I'm going to spam it with 4 complex damage mods for as long as I can, if I didn't have such a squishy suit it would feel like cheating, sometimes it kind of still does though DUST VIDEOS
Valor Goat 13	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:11:00 - [9] - Quote Range-damage nerf plus putting some goddamn recoil on it and we have a deal. 1EE7
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2400	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:15:00 - [10] - Quote The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :)


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12646	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2994	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:34:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right So will the BrAR be balanced soon...? Its kinda removing the fun in the game having the "One weapon to rule them all". "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6299	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:35:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? +1 The Breach AR needs a RANGE nerf. Thats all. (Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p you are OBVIOUSLY exaggerating XD) Gav would never exaggerate... Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2994	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:37:00 - [14] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2994	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? +1 The Breach AR needs a RANGE nerf. Thats all. (Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p you are OBVIOUSLY exaggerating XD) Gav would never exaggerate... Who, me? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 445	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:45:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Grav - you know that isn't true The CR is arguably the most powerful rifle in the game. After the BrAR gets fixed it will be hands down the most powerful rifle in the game. Exaggerating the case will just get the BrAR NOT fixed.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4160	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:58:00 - [17] - Quote If the BAR gets nerfed then I better see the AScR/ACR/ARR get nerfed. Literally everyone of those weapons is out performing the AR in its intended range. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Frost Kitty Ancient Exiles. 153	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:05:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: If the BAR gets nerfed then I better see the AScR/ACR/ARR get nerfed. Literally everyone of those weapons is out performing the AR in its intended range. OR... or we could just buff the ar slightly. it isn't underperforming by very much, it just needs a small damage increase... probably... Meow
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2999	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:08:00 - [19] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Grav - you know that isn't true The CR is arguably the most powerful rifle in the game. After the BrAR gets fixed it will be hands down the most powerful rifle in the game. Exaggerating the case will just get the BrAR NOT fixed. Not at all. BrAR has 0 kick and perfect hit detection, is full auto, and fires forever. And less than 100 less DPS than the CR fired at max RoF, which is pretty hard to do without a modded controller. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 318	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:11:00 - [20] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Grav - you know that isn't true The CR is arguably the most powerful rifle in the game. After the BrAR gets fixed it will be hands down the most powerful rifle in the game. Exaggerating the case will just get the BrAR NOT fixed. Not at all. BrAR has 0 kick and perfect hit detection, is full auto, and fires forever. And less than 100 less DPS than the CR fired at max RoF, which is pretty hard to do without a modded controller. Not only is it full auto, you can ALSO over tap that BAR to increase it's fire rate. This is a good thing, however the BAR being about 4% too powerful results in TacAR and AR being negated. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.

Tonka Legacy Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 135	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:15:00 - [21] - Quote well, by the sounds of it, they are gonna nerf the gun I waited so long for a buff for. At least buff the regular AR's range a bit, im not too fond of the RR or SCR. Sentinel: I am heavy weapons guy... Commando: I got a RR and a CR, Im so good. Logi: In it 4 the points and points only.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 356	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:23:00 - [22] - Quote Funniest thing is that everyone told Rattati that this 14% increased damage was a bit too much when he first talked about it. But he said it'll just be at the same lvl as the normal AR. Lmao. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Mex-0 180	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:34:00 - [23] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) The CR? I didn't know it was OP.... It feels pretty balanced for me Meh, I give up on FW.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 637	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:00:00 - [24] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Funniest thing is that everyone told Rattati that this 14% increased damage was a bit too much when he first talked about it. But he said it'll just be at the same lvl as the normal AR. Lmao. Problem is I imagine Rattatai didn't account for the god awful hit detection in this game. In reality you lose a lot of DPS everytime the server has to recognize one of your bits of damage. Although dps wise the BAR is on par with the AR, the fact that less shots have to be counted to achieve said amount of damage = less skull freakery from the game engine.
Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 887	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:18:00 - [25] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Range-damage nerf plus putting some goddamn recoil on it and we have a deal. Really, nerf it in every aspect that matters? So we can go back to Gallente rifles being entirely irrelevant again? No deal. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 320	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:24:00 - [26] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Range-damage nerf plus putting some goddamn recoil on it and we have a deal. Really, nerf it in every aspect that matters? So we can go back to Gallente rifles being entirely irrelevant again? No deal. Not nerf all above, just a slight back-adjustment would suffice imho. I don't run stats, I run feel, that BAR feels 4-8% too powerful in damage. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
STABBEY Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 522	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:28:00 - [27] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right So will the BrAR be balanced soon...? Its kinda removing the fun in the game having the "One weapon to rule them all". It's not going to get balanced its gonna get nerfed into the ground like the AR and TACAR did. AR users are a dieing breed when they were nerfed into the ground the first time is when a HUGE chunk of CB vets bailed. Without AR's wtf is the point of an assault suit? Boringgg -ASSAULT AR user since closed beta. The other classes are boring to me. Go ahead and nerf us to hell again we'll just quit for another year until you bring the assaults back again. Gÿú GÖ¦ Gÿñ Gäó © sç+(¬GÇ+¬)sç+ (-éGîú¦Ç_Gîú¦ü)ßòñ Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ-Vet-GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ+¦Gû¼Gû¼ +¬(GùÅ¦«¦âGÇó)¦¦ (GùúGùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ (a+ç'¦Ç-'¦ü)a+ç GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ
Beast gameplay1 jr WarRavens Capital Punishment. 4	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:30:00 - [28] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Grav - you know that isn't true The CR is arguably the most powerful rifle in the game. After the BrAR gets fixed it will be hands down the most powerful rifle in the game. Exaggerating the case will just get the BrAR NOT fixed. There is a lot more powerful weapons than the cr the Bar does need a nerf when I had ceodron breach ar took out some ppl in 6 bullets
Beast gameplay1 jr WarRavens Capital Punishment. 4	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:31:00 - [29] - Quote Beast gameplay1 jr wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Grav - you know that isn't true The CR is arguably the most powerful rifle in the game. After the BrAR gets fixed it will be hands down the most powerful rifle in the game. Exaggerating the case will just get the BrAR NOT fixed. There is a lot more powerful weapons than the cr the Bar does need a nerf when I had ceodron breach ar took out some ppl in 6 bullets But the duvolle should be a bit more powerful and more range
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2404	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:37:00 - [30] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother.

fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 320	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:40:00 - [31] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. You know that the shield and armour damage rates are ONLY placehokders and are actually completly different than what occurs right? Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 637	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:41:00 - [32] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. You know that the shield and armour damage rates are ONLY placehokders and are actually completly different than what occurs right? That would be news to me... pray tell what are they placeholders for?
Koch Rosenzweig Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 109	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:44:00 - [33] - Quote If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR *Slap in your biotic ass.*
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 320	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:49:00 - [34] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR good god, why does this feel like 2013 over buff over nerf cycle? no, slight adjustment to BAR damage is NEEDED, no adjustment on CR is NEEDED. this is outlined throughout the entire OP. Do you get it yet? Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Koch Rosenzweig Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 109	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:56:00 - [35] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR good god, why does this feel like 2013 over buff over nerf cycle? no, slight adjustment to BAR damage is NEEDED, no adjustment on CR is NEEDED. this is outlined throughout the entire OP. Do you get it yet? im just saying, people will start to use the CR and someone will come here talking and crying about how much OP is the CR, thats the cycle. I dont care if BAR is OP or not *Slap in your biotic ass.*
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1379	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:56:00 - [36] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Range-damage nerf plus putting some goddamn recoil on it and we have a deal. so basically you want the gun removed? gtfo AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6265	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:28:00 - [37] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... We should nerf all rifles for good measure and buff all sidearms. That way all weapons will perform equally well in all situations because people who make exaggerated and whiny posts, like this one, will finally have to stop complaining. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 460	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:45:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right i constantly use the breach AR. I can assure you there is no problem with it. sure it destroys people. BUT ONLY WITHN 40M. 50m has decent damage and 60m is next to nothing. please don't change its stats. if people thought the breach AR is bad then why can they react to being attacked by it?. I see assault combat rifles everywhere and they kill my 198 shield and 457 armour or even my proto gall asssult with 198/587. the assault combat's ROF coupled with its high/decent damage per shot can quickly out dps the breach ar. lets not forget the +10/-10 for the ar vs shields and armour. compared to I belive its. -5/+10 for the combat rifle (could be wrong might be -10/+10 with the RR) and lets not get started on the scram rifle. (looking at you charged shot) the charged shot on any scram rifle is more than capable of dropping an opposing ammarr assault/gall assault straight to half armour and can follow up with rapid shots to finish the job. damage profile I belive is +10/-20 (could be wrong also) don't use laser weapons often enough. lets not forget the optimal ranges either. ar has best damage from 0-40. the combat rifle is best at 20-60. scr rifle at 40-80(really should be 60 or 70. the shot isn't even rendered at 80m its dissipitated) and the rr at 60-100. then their damages begin to each falloff. AR has the worst damage falloff and is really only effective at 50m. can kill past 60m but requires large amount of rounds to pull off being close enough not even to bother. the combat rifle has some really good damage falloff. able to deal damage effectively up to 70m without to much damage loss. scr rifle dosnt lose any damage. just disappears at 80m. RR really dosnt need it given its range. still kills at 110-120. so if the breach ar was so bad or the AR in general was so good and ''OP'' then why is the majority of rifles used still combats (slowly becoming assault combats) and scram rifles? maybe their not used to the AR being so effective and useful in its own range?. or perhaps juyst hate to die in a shooter. or as I like to reference dust as a futuristic war simulator. :P still. leave the breach ar alone. cant us gallente have a balanced weapon/varients left as is. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3001	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:01:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Im profiting from the Breach AR being a complete FoTM, and by far the best light weapon because I have skill points invested in it, therefore, don't nerf my weapon, because game balance isn't as important as padding my stats with an overpowered weapon because I need my crutch to be halfway relevant on the battle field. Don't balance your game CCP. I have personal enjoyment to gain by abusing it in its unbalanced state. Fixed. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3001	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:02:00 - [40] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR They already fixed it. It was only OP because of its super damage profile. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3002	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:04:00 - [41] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me. Thats what Im referring to. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3002	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:08:00 - [42] - Quote Frost Kitty wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: If the BAR gets nerfed then I better see the AScR/ACR/ARR get nerfed. Literally everyone of those weapons is out performing the AR in its intended range. OR... or we could just buff the ar slightly. it isn't underperforming by very much, it just needs a small damage increase... probably... Id say increase AR damage per round so that it matches the current BrAR DPS. Then, make the BrAR do 95% of the old AR DPS. Balance. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6267	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:09:00 - [43] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Im profiting from the Breach AR being a complete FoTM, and by far the best light weapon because I have skill points invested in it, therefore, don't nerf my weapon, because game balance isn't as important as padding my stats with an overpowered weapon because I need my crutch to be halfway relevant on the battle field. Don't balance your game CCP. I have personal enjoyment to gain by abusing it in its unbalanced state. Fixed. You are a cocky and ill taught clone to assume such things of my character. I'll have you know that my favorite weapon in the rifle category is the Assault Scrambler Rifle followed by the Combat Rifle which is tied with the Burst AR as my second favorite Rifle. Your assumptions are baseless in truth, lies at best and slanderous at worst. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Izlare Lenix Titans of Phoenix 1148	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:14:00 - [44] - Quote The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 580	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:19:00 - [45] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Right behind you. I had lvl 5 AR, so you can imagine... Loyalty demands a fight to the death, in any way possible.
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 324	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:27:00 - [46] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Right behind you. I had lvl 5 AR, so you can imagine... Handy little tip... How to use the Breach AR 101: Don't use it as a fully auto hold and fire weapon. Spam the **** out of the trigger. End of lesson. You're welcome. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Yonkou Ifrit A.G.E.N.T.S. O.F. S.M.I.T.H. 279	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:34:00 - [47] - Quote I waited many months(i thought a year) with my rifle useless while you was having fun with your OP RR, OP CR and many others OP guns and never cry about, it's just ridiculous how you cry always. ¿Quieres ser un A.G.E.N.T.? Lee la descripción de mi corporación.
dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 76	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:39:00 - [48] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? oh my another assualt issue, hurry lets fix it, make it so those who sunk sp into cr are more powerfull than those who sunk sp into ar. oh and lets give the assualt more BW and kill off the logi, because no one needs them.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 580	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:39:00 - [49] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Right behind you. I had lvl 5 AR, so you can imagine... Handy little tip... How to use the Breach AR 101: Don't use it as a fully auto hold and fire weapon. Spam the ** out of the trigger. End of lesson. You're welcome. I already know this. In fact, it was a week before I ever got wind of the BrAR buff that I picked it up since 1.7, hearing from these forums that it did greater DPS when triggered semi-automatically. However, it doesn't mean that full auto is useless. Public Announcement:** Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 502	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:23:00 - [50] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully intend to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. This. Made 2 fits today: Assault Ak.0 Creo BAR (prof 4, sharpshooter 4) Assault Ak.0 Viziam Scr (prof 4) 2 damage mod's, 2 identical suits primarly used to counter shield users. The BAR: - Strips shields fast - Strips armor faster than the viziam - Doesn't overheat - More max ammo than the Viam - Easier to fit - No kick The Viziam: - Strips shields faster than the BAR - Gets laughed at by armor - Overheats - Tougher to fit - Relatively low ammo - More kick means less accurate over time I was more succesfull with the BAR than with the Viziam even at range. I hate to say it but right now the BAR is OP due to the combination of: - Range - Damage - Not having recoil One of those has to be nerfed. However the Gallente need a weapon that has range, just like my Cal got a CQC ARR now. Let's figure it out..

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 06:35:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right Good. I hated how back before your time devs kept balance changes for major releases that come in a best case scenario after a month. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Charli Chaplin jr F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 23	Posted - 2014.12.03 07:06:00 - [52] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? +1 The Breach AR needs a RANGE nerf. Thats all. (Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p you are OBVIOUSLY exaggerating XD) I say it needs more kick and recoil to make it less accurate. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Charli Chaplin jr F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 23	Posted - 2014.12.03 07:25:00 - [53] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR good god, why does this feel like 2013 over buff over nerf cycle? no, slight adjustment to BAR damage is NEEDED, no adjustment on CR is NEEDED. this is outlined throughout the entire OP. Do you get it yet? im just saying, people will start to use the CR and someone will come here talking and crying about how much OP is the CR, thats the cycle. I dont care if BAR is OP or not +1 i agree, Everything has a counter people just dont want to think about it. If a gal assault uses a breach AR bring out an assault CR on an armor based suit, if he uses a cal scout bring out a SR, its not that hard but people will keep spamming the forums with : "nerf RR its OP" Or "nerf hmgs they're op". People playing this game only play it to show who sucks, not who has the most fun... they're just here to say "GG SCRUB" while they camp a rooftop with a full squad of f a g s protoed up to the teeths but when they play solo they dont send you "GG", they go cry to the forums and threat everything that they dont wanna use or that thay can't use and say its "OP". It will stay like that until this game dies and that those people that were sending "GG" realizes that they waisted their time. then they will find out who is the "Scrub". CLAP ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 363	Posted - 2014.12.03 08:12:00 - [54] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Problem is I imagine Rattati didn't account for the god awful hit detection in this game. In reality you lose a lot of DPS everytime the server has to recognize one of your bits of damage. Although dps wise the BAR is on par with the AR, the fact that less shots have to be counted to achieve said amount of damage = less skull freakery from the game engine. This says it all. It's a known issue (the worst IMO) but for reasons (money?) CCP isn't willing to change these servers. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 90	Posted - 2014.12.03 09:17:00 - [55] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right So will the BrAR be balanced soon...? Its kinda removing the fun in the game having the "One weapon to rule them all". Flaylock Mass Driver Rail Rifle HMG Bolt Pistol Breach AR Something will just take it's place... tbo, I think weapons are widely used now more than ever. Breach ARs aren't overly used compared to anything else really. Study the killfeed, there's quite a mixture as opposed to FoTMs of the past
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 210	Posted - 2014.12.03 10:34:00 - [56] - Quote An incoming BAR nerf doesn't worry me too much. The RR got nerfed (ultra-nerfed according to the forum) but I kept using it and guess what? It still works! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
iWanderer PT-BR 18	Posted - 2014.12.03 10:38:00 - [57] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Something will just take it's place... tbo, I think weapons are widely used now more than ever. Breach ARs aren't overly used compared to anything else really. Study the killfeed, there's quite a mixture as opposed to FoTMs of the past I agree, things look fine the way they are. I personally would like a better performance from the burst and tac AR but I have to use them more and more importantly, know how to use them better. The BAR is a CQC weapon with a lower rate of fire and at the state of the game its natural that its well used for that reason and that-¦s not a bad thing. But there are other like the AR and so. I remember a time of all the complaints of the combat rifle and it-¦s still well used and good. Not many try the ARR. And you have the Scambler. These are the four main weapons, and we cannot continue changing one for the other, every time people use one more than another...
Myron Kundera The Generals 122	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:47:00 - [58] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? The QQ is hard on this one. Let me give you a free tip. Ask your buddy Benjamin Ciscko how to use the Proto Boundless CR. I have seen him tear Creo Breach users in his Minmatar Assault with such grace and skill that puts your post to shame. Ask him how to do the circle dance and how to aim while you-¦re at it and you will find that your (LMFAO) UP Boundless CR kills Creo Breach users pretty easily. The Breach AR is fine. AR needs a buff. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2410	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:52:00 - [59] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me. Thats what Im referring to. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it. You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits. Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed.
Mex-0 185	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:49:00 - [60] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me. Thats what Im referring to. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it. You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits. Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue. I'm fairly convinced of this point, having run a few tests, but I'm always open to differing viewpoints. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed. I have the minscout, and once someone starts shooting at you, you're dead, hit detection or not. Meh, I give up on FW.

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 943	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:54:00 - [61] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3012	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:31:00 - [62] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it. You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits. Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue. I'm fairly convinced of this point, having run a few tests, but I'm always open to differing viewpoints. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed. I have the minscout, and once someone starts shooting at you, you're dead, hit detection or not. Good points on both ends. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3012	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:32:00 - [63] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. Saying the Breach AR is fine is like saying sentinel numbers in PC are "fine". "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
STABBEY Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 523	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:28:00 - [64] - Quote Those of you crying about the AR family not having Charge times or overheating are stupid. Assault rifles are not ment to have those debuffs so why would they add them now? If you dont like charge times QUIT USING THE DAMN RR. If you dont like overheating QUIT USING THE DAMN SCRAMBLER RIFLE. But dont ***** about the AR not having that crap. RR and SR came what a year year and a half after? They also have perks that make them BETTER than the AR in certain situations. Most of you probably never even used the AR's before until now, CCP nerfed these weapons SO bad they werent even a viable weapon for MONTHS. Ask any Vet how much more fun this Game was when Assault suits with there AR'S determined if the Frontlines in battles moved forward or got pushed back. AND YES AR's LOOKED OVERPOWERED BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME HAD EVERY SKILL FOR THEM MAXED OUT WITH A DAMAGE MOD OR 2 FOR THE QUICKER KILL. AND It was the ONLY weapon we used. Anytime the AR is balanced its going to be called OP Because Vets like me know how to use them and will DESTROY you. GET USED TO IT OR GO PLAY COD. (I am under the influence so I may have ranted a lil bit) Gÿú GÖ¦ Gÿñ Gäó © sç+(¬GÇ+¬)sç+ (-éGîú¦Ç_Gîú¦ü)ßòñ Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ-Vet-GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ+¦Gû¼Gû¼ +¬(GùÅ¦«¦âGÇó)¦¦ (GùúGùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ (a+ç'¦Ç-'¦ü)a+ç GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 5179	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:00:00 - [65] - Quote This is god damn hilarious My Breach AR is OP hahahahaha Bojo For CPM
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 373	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:25:00 - [66] - Quote What STABBEY said is true too, people who played the game for a long long time (like me and many others) and who didn't use any respec might have the AR maxed out as it was the only weapon available back in the days. Thats also explains why the BAR is so powerful, the +14% damage increase coupled with the majority of players having prof 4-5 on it makes it suddently a VERY powerful weapon. I agree it used to suck and now it's finally usefull. But it's a bit too much, it doesn't need a big nerf, just a 5% damage decrease to start. And what I said before is also a point that we can't forget: servers are terrible and doesn't register all the shots from an AR wheras the BAR has a much slower ROF so every single bullets are registered, and they hit harder! This too explains why it's a bit OP ATM. Change servers (this would fix many more issues) or decrease its damages a little. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Myron Kundera The Generals 125	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:08:00 - [67] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I don-¦t think "usage rates" determine if a weapon is OP or not. Check this link out: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=183031&find=unread "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Myron Kundera The Generals 125	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:12:00 - [68] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. Saying the Breach AR is fine is like saying sentinel numbers in PC are "fine". Which place does the Creo Breach AR have in PC statistics? Is it at par with HMG/Sentinels? Is it at par with other rifles? You can-¦t be serious in comparing the Breach AR in PC to the HMG/Sentinel, you just can-¦t, they-¦re not even close... "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Cat Merc Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 13536	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:13:00 - [69] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? It doesn't outrange the boundless. The boundless has 14m more range. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 13536	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:15:00 - [70] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: [quote=Leadfoot10]Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Oh, so I'm not the only one who noticed this? It feels like shields have more unregistered hits, especially with the CR and RR. Could just be the Cal Scout. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3384	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:56:00 - [71] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: [quote=Leadfoot10]Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Oh, so I'm not the only one who noticed this? It feels like shields have more unregistered hits, especially with the CR and RR. Could just be the Cal Scout. Nope, specially when I'm using my rail on shields. I know it should take a while to melt the shields but it feels like an eternity sometimes. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2179	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:59:00 - [72] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I couldn't find specific light weapon numbers at that link. The nearest I got was for categories of light weapon (i.e. including all variants) as follows (I use 24 November data): Assault rifle - 109,812 Shotgun - 52,991 Combat rifle - 49,417 Rail rifle - 43,891 Sniper rifle - 27,436 Scrambler rifle - 25,138 Swarm launcher - 17,175 Mass driver - 11,836 Laser rifle - 7,734 Plasma cannon - 6,914 This shows that all assault rifle variants combined were 31% of total light weapon sales. Given there are three other variants, the breach is probably <15% of total LW sales.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3384	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:04:00 - [73] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I couldn't find specific light weapon numbers at that link. The nearest I got was for categories of light weapon (i.e. including all variants) as follows (I use 24 November data): Assault rifle - 109,812 Shotgun - 52,991 Combat rifle - 49,417 Rail rifle - 43,891 Sniper rifle - 27,436 Scrambler rifle - 25,138 Swarm launcher - 17,175 Mass driver - 11,836 Laser rifle - 7,734 Plasma cannon - 6,914 This shows that all assault rifle variants combined were 31% of total light weapon sales. Given there are three other variants, the breach is probably <15% of total LW sales. I'm gonna take a wild guess the majority of those are basic assault rifles but just a wild guess. It could definitely represent people jumping into the fotm boat, but that does not prove wether or not a weapon is OP or not. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 979	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:22:00 - [74] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I couldn't find specific light weapon numbers at that link. The nearest I got was for categories of light weapon (i.e. including all variants) as follows (I use 24 November data): Assault rifle - 109,812 Shotgun - 52,991 Combat rifle - 49,417 Rail rifle - 43,891 Sniper rifle - 27,436 Scrambler rifle - 25,138 Swarm launcher - 17,175 Mass driver - 11,836 Laser rifle - 7,734 Plasma cannon - 6,914 This shows that all assault rifle variants combined were 31% of total light weapon sales. Given there are three other variants, the breach is probably <15% of total LW sales. Click the link and scroll down to the Pie Chart labeled "Light Weapons" Edit: Oops! Looks like Thang is having technical difficulties today. Anyhow, the top sellers are currently Std Breach and Adv Breach with combined sales totaling just shy of 30% of all Light Weapon sales.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:59:00 - [75] - Quote I can't see the charts sadly. However I DO see a graph representing weapon sales over the past half year. http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php which may or may not display properly when clicked. Interesting to note that the AR in general has been the most purchased gun (or tied with the RR for most purchased gun) since May. Assuming the data is accurate: 1: Before the BrAR buff ARs were heavily purchased. 2: After buff the average purchase rate went up 10-15%pÇÇabout. But how do you interpret that data. Does it mean more people are buying the AR? Probably. Does that mean that they are killing with it better? Not at all. We would need CCP to release the average k/D at various ranges to know that. One could interpret it as more people switching to AR. But one could ALSO interpret it that more people are DIEING while using ARs and therefore having to purchase more of the gun. (After all, if your gun is super good you die less and therefore buy replacements less.) More context is needed.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4884	Posted - 2014.12.05 03:36:00 - [76] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... ScR does 50 dmg per regular shot towards armor, and can be spammed. Only thing keeping it balanced is the heat management and the kick.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3024	Posted - 2014.12.05 04:12:00 - [77] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? It doesn't outrange the boundless. The boundless has 14m more range. And kick. The BrAR is kind of like a laser beam-there is no issues with its handling, esp. with sharpshooter 5. I have a character with every skill on the AR maxed, and was running the Creo Beach earlier on a min Logi, and HOLY **** THE THING IS OP. It feels like a Rail Rifle with 10x better hit detection, no kick, more damage, no charge, and much, MUCH better hip fire. I have no idea why people are using any other weapon ATM, TBH. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Myron Kundera The Generals 125	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:16:00 - [78] - Quote If you like it so much, well, just stick with it then, if it-¦s so OP as you said it is, just use it as your main weapon in any suit...Oh, but wait, i bet you will just go back to your CR/ACR or what ever rifle you "truly" rely on, because come on, let-¦s face it, you-¦re just butt hurt that you got killed by it at CQ and you were probably shield tanking. I-¦m not taking you seriously from now on, you-¦re just a troll, it-¦s pointless to try and make some sense in what you-¦re saying cause honestly, you make no sense at all. Btw, comparing a medium-long range weapon like the RR with a short-medium range weapon like the Breach AR is just lulz. Would be fun, just for kicks, to see which is the optimal/effective range of a Creo Breach AR and the optimal/effective range of a Kalakiota RR. Adieu! "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 37	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:35:00 - [79] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Its ******* obnoxious how powerful this thing is. I TOTALLY agree.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2528	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:00:00 - [80] - Quote I played around with the Breach AR some last night and the thing is beast. It just straight up chunks people. Here's a match using only the advanced version. Make of it what you will. The kill around 9:20 shows how stupid accurate the gun is for how much damage it does. Follow me on Twitch.tv!

Ironblade DEMOINC Demonic Cowboys 0	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:45:00 - [81] - Quote the breach Ar needs a Nerf bad, im tried of running my armor bricked amarr assault which has 1136 armor and a breach ar kill me in 3 hits -_- Gave up the hmg in 1.9
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3035	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:07:00 - [82] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: If you like it so much, well, just stick with it then, if it-¦s so OP as you said it is, just use it as your main weapon in any suit...Oh, but wait, i bet you will just go back to your CR/ACR or what ever rifle you "truly" rely on, because come on, let-¦s face it, you-¦re just butt hurt that you got killed by it at CQ and you were probably shield tanking. I-¦m not taking you seriously from now on, you-¦re just a troll, it-¦s pointless to try and make some sense in what you-¦re saying cause honestly, you make no sense at all. Btw, comparing a medium-long range weapon like the RR with a short-medium range weapon like the Breach AR is just lulz. Would be fun, just for kicks, to see which is the optimal/effective range of a Creo Breach AR and the optimal/effective range of a Kalakiota RR. Adieu! Your butthurt is so strong that the blood leaking from your anus is staining my laptop screen. I will be using it, considering it does destroy everything at under 70 meters. Remember, range is just a factor affecting damage. And yes, I do shield tank because Im not a scrub. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4928	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:10:00 - [83] - Quote Let this thread die already! Geez.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1733	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:14:00 - [84] - Quote Spent the last several days playing in cal faction warfare trying to use a rail rifle. It feels very unpleasant to use, especially when playing against all the flavor of the month breach ar & unscannable gallente apex scouts. Took a small break the other day after my FW boosters ran out and played on an alt with a breach ar. This gun is so **ing easy to use it's not funny. I don't understand why the rail rifle has to feel horrible to use because 'hurr it has so much range' to the point of practically being designed so that one cannot play objectives with it, while weapons like the breach AR get to do boatloads of damage, with no kick and just enough dispersion to feel incredibly good. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Jathniel G I A N T 1316	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:12:00 - [85] - Quote I really don't see a problem with the gun. I don't really use it myself, and facing it is really not an issue. Neither in pubs nor fw. As for the effectiveness of the CR, I think this is because it's the only weapon of its kind where its RoF makes its low damage viable. Basically, the regular AR, Burst AR, and Assault Scrambler Rifles simply shoot too slow (sure a damage increase can be considered, but the CR proves that dps CAN trump alpha weapons.... IF the dps is high enough). The BreachAR is working as intended. If we take the regular AR up to 1000 RPM, and the burst AR up to 1200 RPM, they MAY serve as viable anti-shield counterparts to the CR. The Breach AR isn't broken, it's pretty much what a Gallente breach weapon SHOULD be. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:17:00 - [86] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? This weapon rocks if you use it. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Jathniel G I A N T 1316	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:32:00 - [87] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: . . .Btw, comparing a medium-long range weapon like the RR with a short-medium range weapon like the Breach AR is just lulz. Would be fun, just for kicks, to see which is the optimal/effective range of a Creo Breach AR and the optimal/effective range of a Kalakiota RR. Adieu! >_< The Rail Rifle is classified as a "Breach" weapon. (I know it's weird.) The whole world understands 'breach' weapons to be cqc weapons meant to penetrate (breach) heavily fortified infantry positions. But for some reason CCP reinvented the definition to mean 'slow firing and hard hitting weapon'. Don't ask. Proof The Breach AR was meant to be the Gallente's attempt at making a Rail Rifle. That's why the comparison was made. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 50	Posted - 2014.12.07 08:14:00 - [88] - Quote Oh quit your whining! The CR and rr are long overdue for nerfing because they're op. Finally a gallente weapon has the chance* to put you down and your crying that your one gun("boundless CR") doesnt work in every scenario like it did before! They nerfed the snot out of the breach already and does just about the same as the AR. You're ironic man. Get good.
Genral69 death C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 1	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:15:00 - [89] - Quote The breach assault rifle is not over power. Its great for people about 50 meters away but it cant do **** when people pop out of no where. 1 it has near half the amount of ammo on the clip than a standard assault rifle and 2 I find It useful only on heavys from a distance
Genral69 death C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 1	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:16:00 - [90] - Quote Ironblade DEMOINC wrote: the breach Ar needs a Nerf bad, im tried of running my armor bricked amarr assault which has 1136 armor and a breach ar kill me in 3 hits -_- Well that statements utter #### even a proto creodron breach won't kill you in 3 hits

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1027	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:27:00 - [91] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: You know that the shield and armour damage rates are ONLY placehokders and are actually completly different than what occurs right? That would be news to me... pray tell what are they placeholders for? Hit-detection variability You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 675	Posted - 2014.12.08 07:42:00 - [92] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right i constantly use the breach AR. I can assure you there is no problem with it. sure it destroys people. BUT ONLY WITHN 40M. 50m has decent damage and 60m is next to nothing. please don't change its stats. if people thought the breach AR is bad then why can they react to being attacked by it?. I see assault combat rifles everywhere and they kill my 198 shield and 457 armour or even my proto gall asssult with 198/587. the assault combat's ROF coupled with its high/decent damage per shot can quickly out dps the breach ar. lets not forget the +10/-10 for the ar vs shields and armour. compared to I belive its. -5/+10 for the combat rifle (could be wrong might be -10/+10 with the RR) and lets not get started on the scram rifle. (looking at you charged shot) the charged shot on any scram rifle is more than capable of dropping an opposing ammarr assault/gall assault straight to half armour and can follow up with rapid shots to finish the job. damage profile I belive is +10/-20 (could be wrong also) don't use laser weapons often enough. lets not forget the optimal ranges either. ar has best damage from 0-40. the combat rifle is best at 20-60. scr rifle at 40-80(really should be 60 or 70. the shot isn't even rendered at 80m its dissipitated) and the rr at 60-100. then their damages begin to each falloff. AR has the worst damage falloff and is really only effective at 50m. can kill past 60m but requires large amount of rounds to pull off being close enough not even to bother. the combat rifle has some really good damage falloff. able to deal damage effectively up to 70m without to much damage loss. scr rifle dosnt lose any damage. just disappears at 80m. RR really dosnt need it given its range. still kills at 110-120. so if the breach ar was so bad or the AR in general was so good and ''OP'' then why is the majority of rifles used still combats (slowly becoming assault combats) and scram rifles? maybe their not used to the AR being so effective and useful in its own range?. or perhaps juyst hate to die in a shooter. or as I like to reference dust as a futuristic war simulator. :P still. leave the breach ar alone. cant us gallente have a balanced weapon/varients left as is. How often do you use the scrambler rifle? You do know that it is incredibly difficult to use effectively compared to your Bar or any other full auto weapon, right? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Genral69 death C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 1	Posted - 2014.12.08 08:10:00 - [93] - Quote He has a point I always overheat just as I kill the guy
Ld Collins Titans of Phoenix 176	Posted - 2014.12.08 12:20:00 - [94] - Quote The breach Ar is fine I think the real problem here is that everyone has been enjoying the RR CR and ScR far too long. I think the Burst Ar should get a buff too, not sure if I can recall the last time I killed someone with a burst Ar.
DarK KNigHT007 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.12.08 12:30:00 - [95] - Quote BAR is not much op .... it eats shield fast but it still lacks in eating armour u cud hurt a guy but to finish him u need to be accurate .... so its not an OP but is a bit gud weapon........
DarK KNigHT007 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.12.08 12:31:00 - [96] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: The breach Ar is fine I think the real problem here is that everyone has been enjoying the RR CR and ScR far too long. I think the Burst Ar should get a buff too, not sure if I can recall the last time I killed someone with a burst Ar. Burst AR is way bad man i think it need a small buff


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