DUST Search - Breach AR

Leadfoot10 wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs.

So there, Gav! :)

Eh, CR can't scratch shield.

BrAR annihilates armor.

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CR: -15/+15
&
AR: +10/-10

One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates?

Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother.

I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me.

Thats what Im referring to.

I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it.

You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits.

Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue.

I'm fairly convinced of this point, having run a few tests, but I'm always open to differing viewpoints. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed.

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fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 320	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:40:00 - [31] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. You know that the shield and armour damage rates are ONLY placehokders and are actually completly different than what occurs right? Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 637	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:41:00 - [32] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. You know that the shield and armour damage rates are ONLY placehokders and are actually completly different than what occurs right? That would be news to me... pray tell what are they placeholders for?
Koch Rosenzweig Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 109	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:44:00 - [33] - Quote If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR *Slap in your biotic ass.*
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 320	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:49:00 - [34] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR good god, why does this feel like 2013 over buff over nerf cycle? no, slight adjustment to BAR damage is NEEDED, no adjustment on CR is NEEDED. this is outlined throughout the entire OP. Do you get it yet? Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Koch Rosenzweig Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 109	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:56:00 - [35] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR good god, why does this feel like 2013 over buff over nerf cycle? no, slight adjustment to BAR damage is NEEDED, no adjustment on CR is NEEDED. this is outlined throughout the entire OP. Do you get it yet? im just saying, people will start to use the CR and someone will come here talking and crying about how much OP is the CR, thats the cycle. I dont care if BAR is OP or not *Slap in your biotic ass.*
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1379	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:56:00 - [36] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Range-damage nerf plus putting some goddamn recoil on it and we have a deal. so basically you want the gun removed? gtfo AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6265	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:28:00 - [37] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... We should nerf all rifles for good measure and buff all sidearms. That way all weapons will perform equally well in all situations because people who make exaggerated and whiny posts, like this one, will finally have to stop complaining. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 460	Posted - 2014.12.03 03:45:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right i constantly use the breach AR. I can assure you there is no problem with it. sure it destroys people. BUT ONLY WITHN 40M. 50m has decent damage and 60m is next to nothing. please don't change its stats. if people thought the breach AR is bad then why can they react to being attacked by it?. I see assault combat rifles everywhere and they kill my 198 shield and 457 armour or even my proto gall asssult with 198/587. the assault combat's ROF coupled with its high/decent damage per shot can quickly out dps the breach ar. lets not forget the +10/-10 for the ar vs shields and armour. compared to I belive its. -5/+10 for the combat rifle (could be wrong might be -10/+10 with the RR) and lets not get started on the scram rifle. (looking at you charged shot) the charged shot on any scram rifle is more than capable of dropping an opposing ammarr assault/gall assault straight to half armour and can follow up with rapid shots to finish the job. damage profile I belive is +10/-20 (could be wrong also) don't use laser weapons often enough. lets not forget the optimal ranges either. ar has best damage from 0-40. the combat rifle is best at 20-60. scr rifle at 40-80(really should be 60 or 70. the shot isn't even rendered at 80m its dissipitated) and the rr at 60-100. then their damages begin to each falloff. AR has the worst damage falloff and is really only effective at 50m. can kill past 60m but requires large amount of rounds to pull off being close enough not even to bother. the combat rifle has some really good damage falloff. able to deal damage effectively up to 70m without to much damage loss. scr rifle dosnt lose any damage. just disappears at 80m. RR really dosnt need it given its range. still kills at 110-120. so if the breach ar was so bad or the AR in general was so good and ''OP'' then why is the majority of rifles used still combats (slowly becoming assault combats) and scram rifles? maybe their not used to the AR being so effective and useful in its own range?. or perhaps juyst hate to die in a shooter. or as I like to reference dust as a futuristic war simulator. :P still. leave the breach ar alone. cant us gallente have a balanced weapon/varients left as is. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3001	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:01:00 - [39] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Im profiting from the Breach AR being a complete FoTM, and by far the best light weapon because I have skill points invested in it, therefore, don't nerf my weapon, because game balance isn't as important as padding my stats with an overpowered weapon because I need my crutch to be halfway relevant on the battle field. Don't balance your game CCP. I have personal enjoyment to gain by abusing it in its unbalanced state. Fixed. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3001	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:02:00 - [40] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR They already fixed it. It was only OP because of its super damage profile. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3002	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:04:00 - [41] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me. Thats what Im referring to. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3002	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:08:00 - [42] - Quote Frost Kitty wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: If the BAR gets nerfed then I better see the AScR/ACR/ARR get nerfed. Literally everyone of those weapons is out performing the AR in its intended range. OR... or we could just buff the ar slightly. it isn't underperforming by very much, it just needs a small damage increase... probably... Id say increase AR damage per round so that it matches the current BrAR DPS. Then, make the BrAR do 95% of the old AR DPS. Balance. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6267	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:09:00 - [43] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Im profiting from the Breach AR being a complete FoTM, and by far the best light weapon because I have skill points invested in it, therefore, don't nerf my weapon, because game balance isn't as important as padding my stats with an overpowered weapon because I need my crutch to be halfway relevant on the battle field. Don't balance your game CCP. I have personal enjoyment to gain by abusing it in its unbalanced state. Fixed. You are a cocky and ill taught clone to assume such things of my character. I'll have you know that my favorite weapon in the rifle category is the Assault Scrambler Rifle followed by the Combat Rifle which is tied with the Burst AR as my second favorite Rifle. Your assumptions are baseless in truth, lies at best and slanderous at worst. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Izlare Lenix Titans of Phoenix 1148	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:14:00 - [44] - Quote The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 580	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:19:00 - [45] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Right behind you. I had lvl 5 AR, so you can imagine... Loyalty demands a fight to the death, in any way possible.
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 324	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:27:00 - [46] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Right behind you. I had lvl 5 AR, so you can imagine... Handy little tip... How to use the Breach AR 101: Don't use it as a fully auto hold and fire weapon. Spam the **** out of the trigger. End of lesson. You're welcome. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Yonkou Ifrit A.G.E.N.T.S. O.F. S.M.I.T.H. 279	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:34:00 - [47] - Quote I waited many months(i thought a year) with my rifle useless while you was having fun with your OP RR, OP CR and many others OP guns and never cry about, it's just ridiculous how you cry always. ¿Quieres ser un A.G.E.N.T.? Lee la descripción de mi corporación.
dreth longbow Bank of DUST 514 76	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:39:00 - [48] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? oh my another assualt issue, hurry lets fix it, make it so those who sunk sp into cr are more powerfull than those who sunk sp into ar. oh and lets give the assualt more BW and kill off the logi, because no one needs them.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 580	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:39:00 - [49] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully interned to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. Right behind you. I had lvl 5 AR, so you can imagine... Handy little tip... How to use the Breach AR 101: Don't use it as a fully auto hold and fire weapon. Spam the ** out of the trigger. End of lesson. You're welcome. I already know this. In fact, it was a week before I ever got wind of the BrAR buff that I picked it up since 1.7, hearing from these forums that it did greater DPS when triggered semi-automatically. However, it doesn't mean that full auto is useless. Public Announcement:** Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 502	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:23:00 - [50] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The ONLY way CCP will nerf the Breach AR is if we all start abusing it. I just trained lvl 4 AR today and all I can say is with zero proficiency the adv bar seems to drop shields just as fast as my proficiency 4 Viziam ScR and then the BAR destroys armor in ways my Viziam could only dream. All without the risk of overheating. I fully intend to take the bar to proto and abuse the hell out of it until CCP smashes it into the ground. The more of us that use the bar, the faster it will get nerfed. This. Made 2 fits today: Assault Ak.0 Creo BAR (prof 4, sharpshooter 4) Assault Ak.0 Viziam Scr (prof 4) 2 damage mod's, 2 identical suits primarly used to counter shield users. The BAR: - Strips shields fast - Strips armor faster than the viziam - Doesn't overheat - More max ammo than the Viam - Easier to fit - No kick The Viziam: - Strips shields faster than the BAR - Gets laughed at by armor - Overheats - Tougher to fit - Relatively low ammo - More kick means less accurate over time I was more succesfull with the BAR than with the Viziam even at range. I hate to say it but right now the BAR is OP due to the combination of: - Range - Damage - Not having recoil One of those has to be nerfed. However the Gallente need a weapon that has range, just like my Cal got a CQC ARR now. Let's figure it out..

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 06:35:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right Good. I hated how back before your time devs kept balance changes for major releases that come in a best case scenario after a month. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Charli Chaplin jr F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 23	Posted - 2014.12.03 07:06:00 - [52] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? +1 The Breach AR needs a RANGE nerf. Thats all. (Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p you are OBVIOUSLY exaggerating XD) I say it needs more kick and recoil to make it less accurate. ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Charli Chaplin jr F0RSAKEN EMPIRE. Smart Deploy 23	Posted - 2014.12.03 07:25:00 - [53] - Quote Koch Rosenzweig wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Koch Rosenzweig wrote: If they fix the BAR, the next one will be the CR good god, why does this feel like 2013 over buff over nerf cycle? no, slight adjustment to BAR damage is NEEDED, no adjustment on CR is NEEDED. this is outlined throughout the entire OP. Do you get it yet? im just saying, people will start to use the CR and someone will come here talking and crying about how much OP is the CR, thats the cycle. I dont care if BAR is OP or not +1 i agree, Everything has a counter people just dont want to think about it. If a gal assault uses a breach AR bring out an assault CR on an armor based suit, if he uses a cal scout bring out a SR, its not that hard but people will keep spamming the forums with : "nerf RR its OP" Or "nerf hmgs they're op". People playing this game only play it to show who sucks, not who has the most fun... they're just here to say "GG SCRUB" while they camp a rooftop with a full squad of f a g s protoed up to the teeths but when they play solo they dont send you "GG", they go cry to the forums and threat everything that they dont wanna use or that thay can't use and say its "OP". It will stay like that until this game dies and that those people that were sending "GG" realizes that they waisted their time. then they will find out who is the "Scrub". CLAP ACCEPT YOUR FATE LIKE I ACCEPTED MINE.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 363	Posted - 2014.12.03 08:12:00 - [54] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Problem is I imagine Rattati didn't account for the god awful hit detection in this game. In reality you lose a lot of DPS everytime the server has to recognize one of your bits of damage. Although dps wise the BAR is on par with the AR, the fact that less shots have to be counted to achieve said amount of damage = less skull freakery from the game engine. This says it all. It's a known issue (the worst IMO) but for reasons (money?) CCP isn't willing to change these servers. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 90	Posted - 2014.12.03 09:17:00 - [55] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I imagine balance related issues will be confined to Hotfixes, where as features that require client updates will be part of the major updates. You imagined right So will the BrAR be balanced soon...? Its kinda removing the fun in the game having the "One weapon to rule them all". Flaylock Mass Driver Rail Rifle HMG Bolt Pistol Breach AR Something will just take it's place... tbo, I think weapons are widely used now more than ever. Breach ARs aren't overly used compared to anything else really. Study the killfeed, there's quite a mixture as opposed to FoTMs of the past
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 210	Posted - 2014.12.03 10:34:00 - [56] - Quote An incoming BAR nerf doesn't worry me too much. The RR got nerfed (ultra-nerfed according to the forum) but I kept using it and guess what? It still works! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
iWanderer PT-BR 18	Posted - 2014.12.03 10:38:00 - [57] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Something will just take it's place... tbo, I think weapons are widely used now more than ever. Breach ARs aren't overly used compared to anything else really. Study the killfeed, there's quite a mixture as opposed to FoTMs of the past I agree, things look fine the way they are. I personally would like a better performance from the burst and tac AR but I have to use them more and more importantly, know how to use them better. The BAR is a CQC weapon with a lower rate of fire and at the state of the game its natural that its well used for that reason and that-¦s not a bad thing. But there are other like the AR and so. I remember a time of all the complaints of the combat rifle and it-¦s still well used and good. Not many try the ARR. And you have the Scambler. These are the four main weapons, and we cannot continue changing one for the other, every time people use one more than another...
Myron Kundera The Generals 122	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:47:00 - [58] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? The QQ is hard on this one. Let me give you a free tip. Ask your buddy Benjamin Ciscko how to use the Proto Boundless CR. I have seen him tear Creo Breach users in his Minmatar Assault with such grace and skill that puts your post to shame. Ask him how to do the circle dance and how to aim while you-¦re at it and you will find that your (LMFAO) UP Boundless CR kills Creo Breach users pretty easily. The Breach AR is fine. AR needs a buff. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2410	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:52:00 - [59] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me. Thats what Im referring to. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it. You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits. Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed.
Mex-0 185	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:49:00 - [60] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. ... CR: -15/+15 & AR: +10/-10 One "can't scratch" and another "annihilates? Sorry, but I'm not sure we're going to agree about that, brother. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus shields. Thats why I can strafe in front of a Gal Heavy and burst him down while his HMG has trouble hitting me. Thats what Im referring to. I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it. You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits. Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue. I'm fairly convinced of this point, having run a few tests, but I'm always open to differing viewpoints. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed. I have the minscout, and once someone starts shooting at you, you're dead, hit detection or not. Meh, I give up on FW.



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