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Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 943	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:54:00 - [61] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3012	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:31:00 - [62] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I tend to notice hit detection problems with projectile weapons versus fast moving suits, even moreso in slow framerate situations -- doesn't matter if the suit is shield or armor based, but it can't be slowed down by armor, so you see more shield suits doing it. You can do it in any scout suit, and, to a lesser extent, with assault suits. Bottom line: I think it's FAST suits, not SHIELD suits that are the issue. I'm fairly convinced of this point, having run a few tests, but I'm always open to differing viewpoints. Next time we run together, I'll show you what I'm talking about in both a Cal and Amarr scout suits. I don't have Min, but from those that I've spoken to that do, it's is even worse....because of dat speed. I have the minscout, and once someone starts shooting at you, you're dead, hit detection or not. Good points on both ends. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3012	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:32:00 - [63] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. Saying the Breach AR is fine is like saying sentinel numbers in PC are "fine". "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
STABBEY Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 523	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:28:00 - [64] - Quote Those of you crying about the AR family not having Charge times or overheating are stupid. Assault rifles are not ment to have those debuffs so why would they add them now? If you dont like charge times QUIT USING THE DAMN RR. If you dont like overheating QUIT USING THE DAMN SCRAMBLER RIFLE. But dont ***** about the AR not having that crap. RR and SR came what a year year and a half after? They also have perks that make them BETTER than the AR in certain situations. Most of you probably never even used the AR's before until now, CCP nerfed these weapons SO bad they werent even a viable weapon for MONTHS. Ask any Vet how much more fun this Game was when Assault suits with there AR'S determined if the Frontlines in battles moved forward or got pushed back. AND YES AR's LOOKED OVERPOWERED BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME HAD EVERY SKILL FOR THEM MAXED OUT WITH A DAMAGE MOD OR 2 FOR THE QUICKER KILL. AND It was the ONLY weapon we used. Anytime the AR is balanced its going to be called OP Because Vets like me know how to use them and will DESTROY you. GET USED TO IT OR GO PLAY COD. (I am under the influence so I may have ranted a lil bit) Gÿú GÖ¦ Gÿñ Gäó © sç+(¬GÇ+¬)sç+ (-éGîú¦Ç_Gîú¦ü)ßòñ Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ-Vet-GòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉGòÉ+¦Gû¼Gû¼ +¬(GùÅ¦«¦âGÇó)¦¦ (GùúGùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ (a+ç'¦Ç-'¦ü)a+ç GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 5179	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:00:00 - [65] - Quote This is god damn hilarious My Breach AR is OP hahahahaha Bojo For CPM
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 373	Posted - 2014.12.04 00:25:00 - [66] - Quote What STABBEY said is true too, people who played the game for a long long time (like me and many others) and who didn't use any respec might have the AR maxed out as it was the only weapon available back in the days. Thats also explains why the BAR is so powerful, the +14% damage increase coupled with the majority of players having prof 4-5 on it makes it suddently a VERY powerful weapon. I agree it used to suck and now it's finally usefull. But it's a bit too much, it doesn't need a big nerf, just a 5% damage decrease to start. And what I said before is also a point that we can't forget: servers are terrible and doesn't register all the shots from an AR wheras the BAR has a much slower ROF so every single bullets are registered, and they hit harder! This too explains why it's a bit OP ATM. Change servers (this would fix many more issues) or decrease its damages a little. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Myron Kundera The Generals 125	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:08:00 - [67] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I don-¦t think "usage rates" determine if a weapon is OP or not. Check this link out: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=183031&find=unread "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Myron Kundera The Generals 125	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:12:00 - [68] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. Saying the Breach AR is fine is like saying sentinel numbers in PC are "fine". Which place does the Creo Breach AR have in PC statistics? Is it at par with HMG/Sentinels? Is it at par with other rifles? You can-¦t be serious in comparing the Breach AR in PC to the HMG/Sentinel, you just can-¦t, they-¦re not even close... "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Cat Merc Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 13536	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:13:00 - [69] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? It doesn't outrange the boundless. The boundless has 14m more range. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 13536	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:15:00 - [70] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: [quote=Leadfoot10]Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Oh, so I'm not the only one who noticed this? It feels like shields have more unregistered hits, especially with the CR and RR. Could just be the Cal Scout. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3384	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:56:00 - [71] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: [quote=Leadfoot10]Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... Oh, so I'm not the only one who noticed this? It feels like shields have more unregistered hits, especially with the CR and RR. Could just be the Cal Scout. Nope, specially when I'm using my rail on shields. I know it should take a while to melt the shields but it feels like an eternity sometimes. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2179	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:59:00 - [72] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I couldn't find specific light weapon numbers at that link. The nearest I got was for categories of light weapon (i.e. including all variants) as follows (I use 24 November data): Assault rifle - 109,812 Shotgun - 52,991 Combat rifle - 49,417 Rail rifle - 43,891 Sniper rifle - 27,436 Scrambler rifle - 25,138 Swarm launcher - 17,175 Mass driver - 11,836 Laser rifle - 7,734 Plasma cannon - 6,914 This shows that all assault rifle variants combined were 31% of total light weapon sales. Given there are three other variants, the breach is probably <15% of total LW sales.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3384	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:04:00 - [73] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I couldn't find specific light weapon numbers at that link. The nearest I got was for categories of light weapon (i.e. including all variants) as follows (I use 24 November data): Assault rifle - 109,812 Shotgun - 52,991 Combat rifle - 49,417 Rail rifle - 43,891 Sniper rifle - 27,436 Scrambler rifle - 25,138 Swarm launcher - 17,175 Mass driver - 11,836 Laser rifle - 7,734 Plasma cannon - 6,914 This shows that all assault rifle variants combined were 31% of total light weapon sales. Given there are three other variants, the breach is probably <15% of total LW sales. I'm gonna take a wild guess the majority of those are basic assault rifles but just a wild guess. It could definitely represent people jumping into the fotm boat, but that does not prove wether or not a weapon is OP or not. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 979	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:22:00 - [74] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Myron Kundera wrote: The Breach AR is fine. Hmmm. Survey Says: ~30% of all Light Weapon sales. If you were to claim, "the Breach AR is not fine", then your claim would be supported by current usage rates. I couldn't find specific light weapon numbers at that link. The nearest I got was for categories of light weapon (i.e. including all variants) as follows (I use 24 November data): Assault rifle - 109,812 Shotgun - 52,991 Combat rifle - 49,417 Rail rifle - 43,891 Sniper rifle - 27,436 Scrambler rifle - 25,138 Swarm launcher - 17,175 Mass driver - 11,836 Laser rifle - 7,734 Plasma cannon - 6,914 This shows that all assault rifle variants combined were 31% of total light weapon sales. Given there are three other variants, the breach is probably <15% of total LW sales. Click the link and scroll down to the Pie Chart labeled "Light Weapons" Edit: Oops! Looks like Thang is having technical difficulties today. Anyhow, the top sellers are currently Std Breach and Adv Breach with combined sales totaling just shy of 30% of all Light Weapon sales.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:59:00 - [75] - Quote I can't see the charts sadly. However I DO see a graph representing weapon sales over the past half year. http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php which may or may not display properly when clicked. Interesting to note that the AR in general has been the most purchased gun (or tied with the RR for most purchased gun) since May. Assuming the data is accurate: 1: Before the BrAR buff ARs were heavily purchased. 2: After buff the average purchase rate went up 10-15%pÇÇabout. But how do you interpret that data. Does it mean more people are buying the AR? Probably. Does that mean that they are killing with it better? Not at all. We would need CCP to release the average k/D at various ranges to know that. One could interpret it as more people switching to AR. But one could ALSO interpret it that more people are DIEING while using ARs and therefore having to purchase more of the gun. (After all, if your gun is super good you die less and therefore buy replacements less.) More context is needed.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4884	Posted - 2014.12.05 03:36:00 - [76] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The CR and the BrAR both deserve nerfs. So there, Gav! :) Eh, CR can't scratch shield. BrAR annihilates armor. Its the same reason the ScR isn't that OP....its worse for shield suits than the CR is on armor, but really stops working against super tanked heavies. Though armor does seem to register hits better than shields in general... ScR does 50 dmg per regular shot towards armor, and can be spammed. Only thing keeping it balanced is the heat management and the kick.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3024	Posted - 2014.12.05 04:12:00 - [77] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? It doesn't outrange the boundless. The boundless has 14m more range. And kick. The BrAR is kind of like a laser beam-there is no issues with its handling, esp. with sharpshooter 5. I have a character with every skill on the AR maxed, and was running the Creo Beach earlier on a min Logi, and HOLY **** THE THING IS OP. It feels like a Rail Rifle with 10x better hit detection, no kick, more damage, no charge, and much, MUCH better hip fire. I have no idea why people are using any other weapon ATM, TBH. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Myron Kundera The Generals 125	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:16:00 - [78] - Quote If you like it so much, well, just stick with it then, if it-¦s so OP as you said it is, just use it as your main weapon in any suit...Oh, but wait, i bet you will just go back to your CR/ACR or what ever rifle you "truly" rely on, because come on, let-¦s face it, you-¦re just butt hurt that you got killed by it at CQ and you were probably shield tanking. I-¦m not taking you seriously from now on, you-¦re just a troll, it-¦s pointless to try and make some sense in what you-¦re saying cause honestly, you make no sense at all. Btw, comparing a medium-long range weapon like the RR with a short-medium range weapon like the Breach AR is just lulz. Would be fun, just for kicks, to see which is the optimal/effective range of a Creo Breach AR and the optimal/effective range of a Kalakiota RR. Adieu! "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 37	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:35:00 - [79] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Its ******* obnoxious how powerful this thing is. I TOTALLY agree.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2528	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:00:00 - [80] - Quote I played around with the Breach AR some last night and the thing is beast. It just straight up chunks people. Here's a match using only the advanced version. Make of it what you will. The kill around 9:20 shows how stupid accurate the gun is for how much damage it does. Follow me on Twitch.tv!

Ironblade DEMOINC Demonic Cowboys 0	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:45:00 - [81] - Quote the breach Ar needs a Nerf bad, im tried of running my armor bricked amarr assault which has 1136 armor and a breach ar kill me in 3 hits -_- Gave up the hmg in 1.9
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3035	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:07:00 - [82] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: If you like it so much, well, just stick with it then, if it-¦s so OP as you said it is, just use it as your main weapon in any suit...Oh, but wait, i bet you will just go back to your CR/ACR or what ever rifle you "truly" rely on, because come on, let-¦s face it, you-¦re just butt hurt that you got killed by it at CQ and you were probably shield tanking. I-¦m not taking you seriously from now on, you-¦re just a troll, it-¦s pointless to try and make some sense in what you-¦re saying cause honestly, you make no sense at all. Btw, comparing a medium-long range weapon like the RR with a short-medium range weapon like the Breach AR is just lulz. Would be fun, just for kicks, to see which is the optimal/effective range of a Creo Breach AR and the optimal/effective range of a Kalakiota RR. Adieu! Your butthurt is so strong that the blood leaking from your anus is staining my laptop screen. I will be using it, considering it does destroy everything at under 70 meters. Remember, range is just a factor affecting damage. And yes, I do shield tank because Im not a scrub. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4928	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:10:00 - [83] - Quote Let this thread die already! Geez.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1733	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:14:00 - [84] - Quote Spent the last several days playing in cal faction warfare trying to use a rail rifle. It feels very unpleasant to use, especially when playing against all the flavor of the month breach ar & unscannable gallente apex scouts. Took a small break the other day after my FW boosters ran out and played on an alt with a breach ar. This gun is so **ing easy to use it's not funny. I don't understand why the rail rifle has to feel horrible to use because 'hurr it has so much range' to the point of practically being designed so that one cannot play objectives with it, while weapons like the breach AR get to do boatloads of damage, with no kick and just enough dispersion to feel incredibly good. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Jathniel G I A N T 1316	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:12:00 - [85] - Quote I really don't see a problem with the gun. I don't really use it myself, and facing it is really not an issue. Neither in pubs nor fw. As for the effectiveness of the CR, I think this is because it's the only weapon of its kind where its RoF makes its low damage viable. Basically, the regular AR, Burst AR, and Assault Scrambler Rifles simply shoot too slow (sure a damage increase can be considered, but the CR proves that dps CAN trump alpha weapons.... IF the dps is high enough). The BreachAR is working as intended. If we take the regular AR up to 1000 RPM, and the burst AR up to 1200 RPM, they MAY serve as viable anti-shield counterparts to the CR. The Breach AR isn't broken, it's pretty much what a Gallente breach weapon SHOULD be. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 32	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:17:00 - [86] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I see no balancing effort in the patch notes...when can I expect to not have my boundless CR out DPSed and out ranged by a basic full auto weapon? This weapon rocks if you use it. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Jathniel G I A N T 1316	Posted - 2014.12.07 07:32:00 - [87] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: . . .Btw, comparing a medium-long range weapon like the RR with a short-medium range weapon like the Breach AR is just lulz. Would be fun, just for kicks, to see which is the optimal/effective range of a Creo Breach AR and the optimal/effective range of a Kalakiota RR. Adieu! >_< The Rail Rifle is classified as a "Breach" weapon. (I know it's weird.) The whole world understands 'breach' weapons to be cqc weapons meant to penetrate (breach) heavily fortified infantry positions. But for some reason CCP reinvented the definition to mean 'slow firing and hard hitting weapon'. Don't ask. Proof The Breach AR was meant to be the Gallente's attempt at making a Rail Rifle. That's why the comparison was made. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 50	Posted - 2014.12.07 08:14:00 - [88] - Quote Oh quit your whining! The CR and rr are long overdue for nerfing because they're op. Finally a gallente weapon has the chance* to put you down and your crying that your one gun("boundless CR") doesnt work in every scenario like it did before! They nerfed the snot out of the breach already and does just about the same as the AR. You're ironic man. Get good.
Genral69 death C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 1	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:15:00 - [89] - Quote The breach assault rifle is not over power. Its great for people about 50 meters away but it cant do **** when people pop out of no where. 1 it has near half the amount of ammo on the clip than a standard assault rifle and 2 I find It useful only on heavys from a distance
Genral69 death C0NTRA UNIT RUST415 1	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:16:00 - [90] - Quote Ironblade DEMOINC wrote: the breach Ar needs a Nerf bad, im tried of running my armor bricked amarr assault which has 1136 armor and a breach ar kill me in 3 hits -_- Well that statements utter #### even a proto creodron breach won't kill you in 3 hits



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