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Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 438	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:18:00 - [1] - Quote With the scanning table the minja just got another leg up for knifing With how lag effects tacnet the minja can get I. For the kill before they show up on tacnet while other less agile scouts will have a harder time. Or am I missing something??? I know my minja can use all the help it can get So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6034	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:20:00 - [2] - Quote CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 83	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:44:00 - [3] - Quote I'm working on my minja suit now so I'd like to know too.. Garbage Day!
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 438	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:46:00 - [4] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... You amarian scouts are so slow you need broad sword So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6038	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:51:00 - [5] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... You amarian scouts are so slow you need broad sword But we are so strong we dont even need it to be sharp. Just let me swing something around and smash minnies to a pulp with the hate of my broadswoard,.... XD Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 439	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:54:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bright Steel wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... You amarian scouts are so slow you need broad sword But we are so strong we dont even need it to be sharp. Just let me swing something around and smash minnies to a pulp with the hate of my broadswoard,.... XD A big golden Thor hammer of the gods/empress So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13499	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:57:00 - [7] - Quote Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 439	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13500	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:06:00 - [9] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 439	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:10:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I was thinking that with the extra range and close in precision mediums and commandos might be tempted to run percision to catch that scout, this forcing the scout to damp and loose the hp, which would remove a lot of slayer scouts. So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15334	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:23:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Thal sits on his knees praying for that thing every day....... if the Amarr did get a CQC weapon and it was anything but a sword....... I honestly don't know what he'd do. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13500	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:36:00 - [12] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I was thinking that with the extra range and close in precision mediums and commandos might be tempted to run percision to catch that scout, this forcing the scout to damp and loose the hp, which would remove a lot of slayer scouts. 6m? Really? You expect that to matter? The original was 12m. Not to mention the medium range and long range weren't pathetic, so an EWAR game within the medium frames themselves could develop. And sentinel spam would get a slight nerf as they wouldn't be able to sneak into an Assault's scanners without triple dampening. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 440	Posted - 2014.12.02 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I was thinking that with the extra range and close in precision mediums and commandos might be tempted to run percision to catch that scout, this forcing the scout to damp and loose the hp, which would remove a lot of slayer scouts. 6m? Really? You expect that to matter? The original was 12m. Not to mention the medium range and long range weren't pathetic, so an EWAR game within the medium frames themselves could develop. And sentinel spam would get a slight nerf as they wouldn't be able to sneak into an Assault's scanners without triple dampening. Thinking of the scout on the other side of the wall getting scanned and especially with logi running percision and rang??? I can see EWAR variations becoming viable, even if not the "best" So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6291	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:03:00 - [14] - Quote Not really. If anything, this will be an ever so slight nerf, possibly barely or unnoticeable. Reason being is that for most of the range, Long and Medium, things will remain the same. At short range, will will be 6 m before any range changes, they will be able to see you (can't possibly dodge all scans now, depending on their EWAR mods). In some instances, this won't hurt a thing. In others, like when you are taking on a moving target from behind and miss, you just popped up on their radar. Some people are already aware enough to hear you, others aren't. I don't think the problem will be so much that it will be noticeable. Not to mention, that shotgun scouts that used to ambush us will be in the same boat. All this assumes you run a dampened knife fit. If you don't dampen, you may have a significantly harder time, which is fine really. I just hope we aren't forced to rely on that POS cloak anymore. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2636	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:27:00 - [15] - Quote Cal scout got unnecessarily nerfed yet againGÇª Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6291	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:29:00 - [16] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Cal scout got unnecessarily nerfed yet againGÇª But according to Rattati the data has shown they are over performing. So they needed to be nerfed yet again. Gal really need to be brought in line with the rest of us though. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 433	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:31:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. Really Cat? I know it wasn't as much as you wanted, but consider this, ignoring the short range scans (which is a small scout nerf by the way): Assaults: Range - buff Profile - buff Precison - buff Scouts: Precision - nerfed beyond 15m Direction arrow removal - more of a nerf to scouts than other suits Min scout buff? = no Not saying it will necessarily fix everything, or that it won't cause more issues, we will have to see. However, you can't say scouts got buffed and ignore the assault buffs.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2636	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:44:00 - [18] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Cal scout got unnecessarily nerfed yet againGÇª But according to Rattati the data has shown they are over performing. So they needed to be nerfed yet again. Gal really need to be brought in line with the rest of us though. Nerfed? Yes. I agree that some change could is needed (if only by the data points since I don't see a huge problem with them (hint hint, use a scrambler rifle)). But this is the wrong nerf, imo. I'd rather see them lose their dampening bonus for a precision bonus (not as high as the Amarr's unless they sacrifice a lot of highs) while keeping their range bonus (and moving scout's base range to 25-30m), on top of removing passive scan chevrons from the HUD, only displaying them on the mini-map. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 442	Posted - 2014.12.02 23:08:00 - [19] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. Really Cat? I know it wasn't as much as you wanted, but consider this, ignoring the short range scans (which is a small scout nerf by the way): Assaults: Range - buff Profile - buff Precison - buff Scouts: Precision - nerfed beyond 15m Direction arrow removal - more of a nerf to scouts than other suits Min scout buff? = no Not saying it will necessarily fix everything, or that it won't cause more issues, we will have to see. However, you can't say scouts got buffed and ignore the assault buffs. with lag the tacnet doesn't always update quickly enough... i have had heavies shoot my minja point blank when rounding a corner that never showed up on tacnet... the speed tanked minja could get into rang to knife before they showed on the tacnet eliminating at least part of the ewar disparity. considering lag, speed tank gives you an additional benefit, and the minja is "the" speed tanker and thus a minja buff, however so slightly... So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12638	Posted - 2014.12.02 23:30:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1263	Posted - 2014.12.02 23:38:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: *CCP im still waiting for my Amarr spear...* FTFY Please, make my Opus pretty...
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 318	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:52:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. A brief history of Minmatar... It took 2 years for anyone to believe me about stun-lock. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised, I sat silent. It took 2 years for anyone to believe me that Minmatar scout role bonus needed to be hacking. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. It took 2 years for anyone to believe me that Minmatar assaults needed to be buffed HP. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. It took 2 years for anyone to believe me that Minmatar logistics needed a repair tool role bonus. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. It only took 8 months for anyone to believe me that the.Combat rifle was being shat upon by a broken rail rifle range table (combined with stun lock). Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. I still say Minmatar scout trade off of speed over ANY E-war is completely the wrong move. Why? because the instant ANY player migrates off their local region Automatic, they instantly get slowed in frame rub speed by an approximate 8% anyway. Yes I'm deadly serious. No one realises this. I still say Minmatar logistics (considering the $380,000 isk it costs for a PC logibro suit) as THE logibro suit needs to have the same and or equilivent HP balancing that thr Min Assault recieved. I still say Minmatar assaults need a very slight onboard armour repair increase because anything GAL can stack the **** out of armour based modules not because of racial traits but because of thst 1 extra low slot. I still say Minmatar vechials. Any, just any of them. Hell the AUR MYRON is STILL broken. God damn. It's ok because the Logistics Dropships were just simply deleted --- #smh I still say Minmatar Precision Sniper Rifle with explosive rounds and bipod. I still say the entire range table of REAL WORLD VALUES divided by 4 = DUST range table equivelents, means that a sniper rifle (I do understand why it was cut, thanks Kane you POS , it has nothing to do with small maps at all!!!) is 80% less effective then it should be, and that shot guns range table of 25m x 4 = 100m Real world value, desperatly needs to be fixed, because if the SR gets cut to shreads then why hasnt the SG had the same adjustment. I still say AFK isk farming closed Oceanic, and the exact same thing continues to this day on Tokyo automatic and the endemic negligence to fix this is appauling. So, it's not necessarily a matter of listening to the whole community, taking on board and being open minded about a wide view is one thing but disregarding or even the lack of approaching some parts of the community, mainly those who can't stand to post on the forums because 90% of the conubity here is plainly retarted is another thing altogether. Ask around, Minmatar have been segregated across the board ever since day one. ~frag out. I sit silent and wait, once again. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4693	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:08:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Thal sits on his knees praying for that thing every day....... if the Amarr did get a CQC weapon and it was anything but a sword....... I honestly don't know what he'd do. Am I the only Amarrian that wants power gloves? Because I honestly just want to see a full metal gauntlet send a body 20m (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2312	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:35:00 - [24] - Quote Min melee needs to be a Claymore blade, Amarr can get a fancy dagger or Longsword/Rapier. Im just trying to imagine how scary a Claymore wielding Minja would be... General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Mex-0 181	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:40:00 - [25] - Quote My minja always gets toasted by a full squad of heavies and logis... Meh, I give up on FW.
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 318	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:41:00 - [26] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Min melee needs to be a Claymore blade, Amarr can get a fancy dagger or Longsword/Rapier. Im just trying to imagine how scary a Claymore wielding Minja would be... RE. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Mex-0 181	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:42:00 - [27] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Min melee needs to be a Claymore blade, Amarr can get a fancy dagger or Longsword/Rapier. Im just trying to imagine how scary a Claymore wielding Minja would be... RE. *Frisbee minjas Meh, I give up on FW.
fragmentedhackslash Titans of Phoenix 318	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:45:00 - [28] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Min melee needs to be a Claymore blade, Amarr can get a fancy dagger or Longsword/Rapier. Im just trying to imagine how scary a Claymore wielding Minja would be... RE. *Frisbee minjas I love playing catch the RE. I don't love playing catch the Core grenade. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 792	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:53:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. R3KT. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 637	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:54:00 - [30] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. A brief history of Minmatar... It took 2 years for anyone to believe me about stun-lock. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised, I sat silent. It took 2 years for anyone to believe me that Minmatar scout role bonus needed to be hacking. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. It took 2 years for anyone to believe me that Minmatar assaults needed to be buffed HP. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. It took 2 years for anyone to believe me that Minmatar logistics needed a repair tool role bonus. Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. It only took 8 months for anyone to believe me that the.Combat rifle was being shat upon by a broken rail rifle range table (combined with stun lock). Then it became a huge deal when everyone realised. I sat silent. I still say Minmatar scout trade off of speed over ANY E-war is completely the wrong move. Why? because the instant ANY player migrates off their local region Automatic, they instantly get slowed in frame rub speed by an approximate 8% anyway. Yes I'm deadly serious. No one realises this. I still say Minmatar logistics (considering the $380,000 isk it costs for a PC logibro suit) as THE logibro suit needs to have the same and or equilivent HP balancing that thr Min Assault recieved. I still say Minmatar assaults need a very slight onboard armour repair increase because anything GAL can stack the ** out of armour based modules not because of racial traits but because of thst 1 extra low slot. I still say Minmatar vechials. Any, just any of them. Hell the AUR MYRON is STILL broken. God damn. It's ok because the Logistics Dropships were just simply deleted --- #smh I still say Minmatar Precision Sniper Rifle with explosive rounds and bipod. I still say the entire range table of REAL WORLD VALUES divided by 4 = DUST range table equivelents, means that a sniper rifle (I do understand why it was cut, thanks Kane you POS , it has nothing to do with small maps at all!!!) is 80% less effective then it should be, and that shot guns range table of 25m x 4 = 100m Real world value, desperatly needs to be fixed, because if the SR gets cut to shreads then why hasnt the SG had the same adjustment. I still say AFK isk farming closed Oceanic, and the exact same thing continues to this day on Tokyo automatic and the endemic negligence to fix this is appauling. So, it's not necessarily a matter of listening to the whole community, taking on board and being open minded about a wide view is one thing but disregarding or even the lack of approaching some parts of the community, mainly those who can't stand to post on the forums because 90% of the community here is plainly retarted is another thing altogether. Ask around, Minmatar have been segregated across the board ever since day one. ~frag out. I sit silent and wait, once again. #edit: Fat thumbs = spelling mistakes ** if you think minmitar logis are bad you should try a Caldari Logi. Those suits have literally the worst e/hp totals of any medium suit in their field, which I guess makes sense since that's typical of Caldari being shield tanks primarily but also consider Caldari logis don't get the base regen that other Caldari suits get.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15367	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:15:00 - [31] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Min melee needs to be a Claymore blade, Amarr can get a fancy dagger or Longsword/Rapier. Im just trying to imagine how scary a Claymore wielding Minja would be... Eff off mate! Hammer's brah! BIG ******* HAMMERS! I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 887	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:30:00 - [32] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Not really. If anything, this will be an ever so slight nerf, possibly barely or unnoticeable. Reason being is that for most of the range, Long and Medium, things will remain the same. At short range, will will be 6 m before any range changes, they will be able to see you (can't possibly dodge all scans now, depending on their EWAR mods). In some instances, this won't hurt a thing. In others, like when you are taking on a moving target from behind and miss, you just popped up on their radar. Some people are already aware enough to hear you, others aren't. I don't think the problem will be so much that it will be noticeable. Not to mention, that shotgun scouts that used to ambush us will be in the same boat. All this assumes you run a dampened knife fit. If you don't dampen, you may have a significantly harder time, which is fine really. I just hope we aren't forced to rely on that POS cloak anymore. The fact that you consider that to be a problem at all, even though you admit it is a minor one, is quite revealing. If you are rusing a OHK weapon and relying on the advantage given to you by your inherent scout stealthiness and speed to get in close enough to ONE HIT KILL someone before they can even react... I seriously don't see there being a problem, minor or otherwise, that after missing you "pop up on their radar". And you were never forced to rely on the "POS cloak", if you did, you chose to. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:53:00 - [33] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. Really Cat? I know it wasn't as much as you wanted, but consider this, ignoring the short range scans (which is a small scout nerf by the way): Assaults: Range - buff Profile - buff Precison - buff Scouts: Precision - nerfed beyond 15m Direction arrow removal - more of a nerf to scouts than other suits Min scout buff? = no Not saying it will necessarily fix everything, or that it won't cause more issues, we will have to see. However, you can't say scouts got buffed and ignore the assault buffs. I don't really care about "buff" or "nerf", I care that the original numbers were going to create a proper EWAR meta. I have made many fits of all classes and made an analysis, this **** was great. Then the barbershop had a heart attack and Rattati back pedaled. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:55:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. I can personally say that I talk with the CPM on a regular basis on skype, and these are the numbers that the BARBERSHOP gave you, nobody else. The CPM said that "This is a first step, be patient. Eventually it will get to where it needs to be.". Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12679	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:56:00 - [35] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. I can personally say that I talk with the CPM on a regular basis on skype, and these are the numbers that the BARBERSHOP gave you, nobody else. The CPM said that "This is a first step, be patient. Eventually it will get to where it needs to be.". lol "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:58:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I can personally say that I talk with the CPM on a regular basis on skype, and these are the numbers that the BARBERSHOP gave you, nobody else. The CPM said that "This is a first step, be patient. Eventually it will get to where it needs to be.". lol[/quote] Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12682	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:00:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1001	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:04:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. But he put a smile there. Come on you two, this should be a happy day for Dust and us all! One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:04:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. Alright I'll stop then I'll wait for 1.10, see what happens to the meta. Probably not much. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1005	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:17:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. Alright I'll stop then I'll wait for 1.10, see what happens to the meta. Probably not much. Pwnd. As Ratatti power grows, my tinfoil hat weakness, and I enjoy the game more.

Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2001	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:53:00 - [41] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P And what, pray tell, would the Barbershop be able to ruin? We have no "in" with Rattati. None of us are CPMs, Cross is the only one to visit semi-regularly in a questioning rather than trolling capacity. Rattati really only stops by to get the feed back of a few specific players within the shop, the rest of us are treated no differently than anyone else. Like the rest of the forums the Barbershop has its share of ranting lunatics. Rattati filters those voices out like he does any other. We'll bang, OK?
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 06:26:00 - [42] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P And what, pray tell, would the Barbershop be able to ruin? We have no "in" with Rattati. None of us are CPMs, Cross is the only one to visit semi-regularly in a questioning rather than trolling capacity. Rattati really only stops by to get the feed back of a few specific players within the shop, the rest of us are treated no differently than anyone else. Like the rest of the forums the Barbershop has its share of ranting lunatics. Rattati filters those voices out like he does any other. You can add me on skype and we can talk there if you want. The ban hammer looms in the horizon for me otherwise. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 06:28:00 - [43] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. Alright I'll stop then I'll wait for 1.10, see what happens to the meta. Probably not much. Pwnd. I'll be back. The scout QQ won't end, and I will be there, laughing. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.12.03 07:32:00 - [44] - Quote Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
dzizur 6 dayz 125	Posted - 2014.12.03 12:16:00 - [45] - Quote @ Cat Merc everybody knows you'r a troll dude :p
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5652	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:49:00 - [46] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c Jump then charge MOAR Ladders
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:55:00 - [47] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c Jump then charge I got to say, I feel like a bad ass when I pull off one hit Raptor kills So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5652	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:03:00 - [48] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c Jump then charge I got to say, I feel like a bad ass when I pull off one hit Raptor kills Aye MOAR Ladders
Regnier Feros G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 122	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:12:00 - [49] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Rapier? I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1006	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:16:00 - [50] - Quote If anything 1.10 is a Major nerf to minjas. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!

Espla El espia Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:17:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. I really do appreciate all the work you've done, Rattati. Often, I joke about how DUST has stolen development from other games but in reality it's because you and other devs working on DUST are just that awesome :) Just to throw you an idea (I can't remember if I've pitched it before): Minmatar scout adv. suit should have 2 highs, 3 lows. It would give me a reason to skill into it and would let it actually fit kincat, damp, AND codebreaker. Or other such fun combinations. If you want a lore reason for Minmatar appearing to be "armor tank" then look no further than the Vagabond from EVE: 4 mids, 5 lows, it's a shield tank ship despite 2 mids being used up by propulsion module and warp disruption. There are also plenty of other examples for armor Minmatar as it was supposed to be split tank in the beginning but has shifted to include active shield tanking. If you don't make that change, I'd like to see Myofibs get that mobility bonus you commented on (not quoting because I'm lazy) or something similar!
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 14	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:25:00 - [52] - Quote Amarr = Templar Sword (like crussaiders) Caldari = Katana Gallente = cavalry sword Minmatar = Katar sword or assasins daggers... and boom !!! ... the most incredible FPS - CQC game ever !
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2164	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:57:00 - [53] - Quote - Cal scouts are nerfed as they have less range, their unique selling point - Amarr scouts are HEAVILY nerfed as the range nerf plus range amp nerf means their precision is too short ranged to be practical - Min scout knifers and gal scout shotgunners are buffed as scan scouts hunting them won't be a thing anymore (in competitive play it is pretty marginal already)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19818	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:01:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Thal sits on his knees praying for that thing every day....... if the Amarr did get a CQC weapon and it was anything but a sword....... I honestly don't know what he'd do. Surely a mace would be more holy? The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 794	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:34:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. R3KT. pls don't ban me rattati lol Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1039	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:38:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. Thing is, the meta won't change: sacrificing tank for EWar is going to remain an enormous drain on resources for anyone other than Scouts, and even they will actually feel a pinch (which isn't unreasonable, but I think this may negatively impact them much like the Bandwidth system bonus Logis early on.) I ran numbers and I made a mention of them but knew that they'd get swallowed right now, so I will happily provide feedback after deployment. But simply, the close range scans are next to useless: they are at such proximity that you'll have already been shotgunned/knifed by the time you can register the radar blip, react and actually turn. It can't be too long or else dampening is worthless, but base scan ranges for Scouts, Assaults, Commandos and Logis needs to be at least 15m, not the 10 (12.5 for Logis) that's coming. At 15m, we'll have a 22.66m (considering the x0.4 modifier for range plus the skill bonus) close range scan with 3 CxRAs. That's a close of 22.66; normal of 55.65; and a far of 113.31. That's an investment of three complex low slot modules to get a 113m scan that picks up nothing but vehicles; a normal scan that picks up heavies and undampened Logis and a close that picks up undampened scouts. Considering that a scout can still evade with two CxDamps (350.90.750.785 = 18.55) or one if they have the damp bonus (350.90.850.75 = 20.08.) With the incoming changes we will be getting an 18.885m close range on a Logi with 3x CxRAs (assuming that they remain at 45%.) Other classes will have a 15.108m close range. Considering that a base scan of 15m is considered pretty awful in general, a 15m but very precise scan would actually be useful while the normal range would pick up heavies and allow an actual EWar meta to develop. Essentially, scan ranges need to go up, because the Close range is too close and the Far range is too imprecise for anything but heavies. Though I'd say that the Far range would need pulled back a little. Anyway, the current numbers won't shake anything up, but I am glad that we're getting the mechanics in place. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 918	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:57:00 - [57] - Quote @ Kallas That ~1 second warning-blip is shared via passive scans. Mercs getting flanked and stabbed might not change, and quite frankly, it shouldn't change. What will change is that assassin's position will be broadcasted to his victim's squad. That's a pretty big deal.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1042	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:07:00 - [58] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Kallas That ~1 second warning-blip is shared via passive scans. Mercs getting flanked and stabbed might not change, and quite frankly, it shouldn't change. What will change is that assassin's position will be broadcasted to his victim's squad. That's a pretty big deal. That's true, hadn't considered that. I'm not sure that's enough though. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 922	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:11:00 - [59] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Kallas That ~1 second warning-blip is shared via passive scans. Mercs getting flanked and stabbed might not change, and quite frankly, it shouldn't change. What will change is that assassin's position will be broadcasted to his victim's squad. That's a pretty big deal. That's true, hadn't considered that. I'm not sure that's enough though. Agreed. Best we get hands on the new system before deciding what to tune. Fox Gaden put it best: Fox Gaden wrote: Better to bring in a new system with numbers close to what we have already, and look at how that plays out, so we understand the unanticipated consequences of the system a little more before we start making major changes to the numbers.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 453	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:12:00 - [60] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: - Cal scouts are nerfed as they have less range, their unique selling point - Amarr scouts are HEAVILY nerfed as the range nerf plus range amp nerf means their precision is too short ranged to be practical - Min scout knifers and gal scout shotgunners are buffed as scan scouts hunting them won't be a thing anymore (in competitive play it is pretty marginal already) I don't know all the numbers but I'm pretty sure a lvl 5 amarr scout with a full load out of precision mods will be able to scan even a gal scout running damps. With a precision scan of 7m that goes to 10 WITHOUT a rang amplifier that's a big deal. Gal went from complete tacnet invisibility to watching for that amarr that can light him up. Given with they way lag effects tacnet 10m isn't much if the scout is sprinting towards you but the gal, and by extension all other scouts, can't hide with impunity in wait to ambush at a doorway. We now have a real scout hunter, not a super competitive PC worthy hunter, but a solid role in pubs??? Definitely Side note: Minmatar is screwed in EWAR still So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 929	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:17:00 - [61] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: I don't know all the numbers but I'm pretty sure a lvl 5 amarr scout with a full load out of precision mods will be able to scan even a gal scout running damps. The AM Scout's inner ring will range from 6m - 9m with precision of 9dB to 14dB. The GA Scout's scan profile ranges from 27dB (0 damps) to 13dB (4 damps). The GA Scout's minimum possible profile is 11dB (4 damps + proto cloak:on). Bright Steel wrote: Side note: Minmatar is screwed in EWAR still 1.10 is not a Minja buff, but whether or not he'll take a hit remains to be seen.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 457	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:37:00 - [62] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Bright Steel wrote: I don't know all the numbers but I'm pretty sure a lvl 5 amarr scout with a full load out of precision mods will be able to scan even a gal scout running damps. The AM Scout's inner ring will range from 6m - 9m with precision of 9dB to 14dB. The GA Scout's scan profile ranges from 27dB (0 damps) to 13dB (4 damps). The GA Scout's minimum possible profile is 11dB (4 damps + proto cloak:on). Bright SteelSide note: Minmatar is screwed in EWAR still[:cry wrote: 1.10 is not a Minja buff, but whether or not he'll take a hit remains to be seen. I was trying to see the bright side... But now I just feel screwed as a minja So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2436	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:17:00 - [63] - Quote The Ninjarr sees all. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Espla El espia Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.12.05 06:34:00 - [64] - Quote Minja is poor at assassinating with nova knife because the weapon is not that great due to its range. If backwards speed was nerfed, I could see it being more popular. That or increased arc so you don't have to aim the knives as much. Can be frustrating when a Rail Rifle defeats you at point blank because the screen is flashing, lag, and constant slashing in thin air. That being said, Min scout as a suit is by far an excellent "light assault" choice! The high base speed and great stamina means at worst you're more like a Min Assault in terms of sheer speed (stamina/regen will be higher and shields will recharge better) albeit with a bit less EHP. On the plus side, you get a second equipment slot, smaller hitbox, and excellent hacking speed. Naturally, you see lightly damped assault/logi suits and they have to fit precision before you become visible on the radar.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 590	Posted - 2014.12.05 06:59:00 - [65] - Quote Espla El espia wrote: Minja is poor at assassinating with nova knife because the weapon is not that great due to its range. If backwards speed was nerfed, I could see it being more popular. That or increased arc so you don't have to aim the knives as much. Can be frustrating when a Rail Rifle defeats you at point blank because the screen is flashing, lag, and constant slashing in thin air. That being said, Min scout as a suit is by far an excellent "light assault" choice! The high base speed and great stamina means at worst you're more like a Min Assault in terms of sheer speed (stamina/regen will be higher and shields will recharge better) albeit with a bit less EHP. On the plus side, you get a second equipment slot, smaller hitbox, and excellent hacking speed. Naturally, you see lightly damped assault/logi suits and they have to fit precision before you become visible on the radar. Minja? Lite Assault? You're kidding, right? Public Announcement: Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
Foehammerr Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 125	Posted - 2014.12.05 08:13:00 - [66] - Quote Espla El espia wrote: Minja is poor at assassinating with nova knife because the weapon is not that great due to its range. You mean besides the fact that the range was already buffed to the point where they don't even have to connect to score an instant kill? It's already worse than that one perk from CoD Modern Warfare 2, it doesn't need another buff. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 605	Posted - 2014.12.05 10:53:00 - [67] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: **** if you think minmitar logis are bad you should try a Caldari Logi. Those suits have literally the worst e/hp totals of any medium suit in their field, which I guess makes sense since that's typical of Caldari being shield tanks primarily but also consider Caldari logis don't get the base regen that other Caldari suits get. Are you high? They can get more hp than an assault.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 475	Posted - 2014.12.05 12:57:00 - [68] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: **** if you think minmitar logis are bad you should try a Caldari Logi. Those suits have literally the worst e/hp totals of any medium suit in their field, which I guess makes sense since that's typical of Caldari being shield tanks primarily but also consider Caldari logis don't get the base regen that other Caldari suits get. Are you high? They can get more hp than an assault. Please try again, they can get close at standard and adv but no where close at proto. So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6573	Posted - 2014.12.05 13:14:00 - [69] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bright Steel wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... You amarian scouts are so slow you need broad sword But we are so strong we dont even need it to be sharp. Just let me swing something around and smash minnies to a pulp with the hate of my broadswoard,.... XD Actually it would be the Matari that are stronger, physically speaking. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Espla El espia Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:53:00 - [70] - Quote Foehammerr wrote: [quote=Espla El espia] You mean besides the fact that the range was already buffed to the point where they don't even have to connect to score an instant kill? It's already worse than that one perk from CoD Modern Warfare 2, it doesn't need another buff. I see a lot of assumptions here: 1. Knives instant kill (tell that to the 1k+ amarr assaults walking around), which generally requires charged knives -> easiest to do on proto knives. 2. I am not asking for a buff, but am mentioning some of the cons the weapon has. 3. CoD is a terrible model for Dust, lol. ----now for the first reply given to me---- Minja = Fast damp shield knife suit. Light Assault Min Scout = dual tank, fairly sluggish in comparison but still faster than most suits. There is nothing wrong with tanking it and if you would like to be more than just a peanut gallery, it would befit you to present something more substantial.



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