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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15367	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:15:00 - [31] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Min melee needs to be a Claymore blade, Amarr can get a fancy dagger or Longsword/Rapier. Im just trying to imagine how scary a Claymore wielding Minja would be... Eff off mate! Hammer's brah! BIG ******* HAMMERS! I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 887	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:30:00 - [32] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Not really. If anything, this will be an ever so slight nerf, possibly barely or unnoticeable. Reason being is that for most of the range, Long and Medium, things will remain the same. At short range, will will be 6 m before any range changes, they will be able to see you (can't possibly dodge all scans now, depending on their EWAR mods). In some instances, this won't hurt a thing. In others, like when you are taking on a moving target from behind and miss, you just popped up on their radar. Some people are already aware enough to hear you, others aren't. I don't think the problem will be so much that it will be noticeable. Not to mention, that shotgun scouts that used to ambush us will be in the same boat. All this assumes you run a dampened knife fit. If you don't dampen, you may have a significantly harder time, which is fine really. I just hope we aren't forced to rely on that POS cloak anymore. The fact that you consider that to be a problem at all, even though you admit it is a minor one, is quite revealing. If you are rusing a OHK weapon and relying on the advantage given to you by your inherent scout stealthiness and speed to get in close enough to ONE HIT KILL someone before they can even react... I seriously don't see there being a problem, minor or otherwise, that after missing you "pop up on their radar". And you were never forced to rely on the "POS cloak", if you did, you chose to. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:53:00 - [33] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. Really Cat? I know it wasn't as much as you wanted, but consider this, ignoring the short range scans (which is a small scout nerf by the way): Assaults: Range - buff Profile - buff Precison - buff Scouts: Precision - nerfed beyond 15m Direction arrow removal - more of a nerf to scouts than other suits Min scout buff? = no Not saying it will necessarily fix everything, or that it won't cause more issues, we will have to see. However, you can't say scouts got buffed and ignore the assault buffs. I don't really care about "buff" or "nerf", I care that the original numbers were going to create a proper EWAR meta. I have made many fits of all classes and made an analysis, this **** was great. Then the barbershop had a heart attack and Rattati back pedaled. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:55:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. I can personally say that I talk with the CPM on a regular basis on skype, and these are the numbers that the BARBERSHOP gave you, nobody else. The CPM said that "This is a first step, be patient. Eventually it will get to where it needs to be.". Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12679	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:56:00 - [35] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Bright Steel wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Of course it buffed scouts. Rattati used the barbershop's numbers. /me prepares to be attacked by the lobbyshop How does scouts in general benefit? Honestly? Not much. But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. I can personally say that I talk with the CPM on a regular basis on skype, and these are the numbers that the BARBERSHOP gave you, nobody else. The CPM said that "This is a first step, be patient. Eventually it will get to where it needs to be.". lol "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 04:58:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I can personally say that I talk with the CPM on a regular basis on skype, and these are the numbers that the BARBERSHOP gave you, nobody else. The CPM said that "This is a first step, be patient. Eventually it will get to where it needs to be.". lol[/quote] Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12682	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:00:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1001	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:04:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. But he put a smile there. Come on you two, this should be a happy day for Dust and us all! One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:04:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. Alright I'll stop then I'll wait for 1.10, see what happens to the meta. Probably not much. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 1005	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:17:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. Alright I'll stop then I'll wait for 1.10, see what happens to the meta. Probably not much. Pwnd. As Ratatti power grows, my tinfoil hat weakness, and I enjoy the game more.

Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2001	Posted - 2014.12.03 05:53:00 - [41] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P And what, pray tell, would the Barbershop be able to ruin? We have no "in" with Rattati. None of us are CPMs, Cross is the only one to visit semi-regularly in a questioning rather than trolling capacity. Rattati really only stops by to get the feed back of a few specific players within the shop, the rest of us are treated no differently than anyone else. Like the rest of the forums the Barbershop has its share of ranting lunatics. Rattati filters those voices out like he does any other. We'll bang, OK?
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 06:26:00 - [42] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P And what, pray tell, would the Barbershop be able to ruin? We have no "in" with Rattati. None of us are CPMs, Cross is the only one to visit semi-regularly in a questioning rather than trolling capacity. Rattati really only stops by to get the feed back of a few specific players within the shop, the rest of us are treated no differently than anyone else. Like the rest of the forums the Barbershop has its share of ranting lunatics. Rattati filters those voices out like he does any other. You can add me on skype and we can talk there if you want. The ban hammer looms in the horizon for me otherwise. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13505	Posted - 2014.12.03 06:28:00 - [43] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. Alright I'll stop then I'll wait for 1.10, see what happens to the meta. Probably not much. Pwnd. I'll be back. The scout QQ won't end, and I will be there, laughing. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.12.03 07:32:00 - [44] - Quote Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
dzizur 6 dayz 125	Posted - 2014.12.03 12:16:00 - [45] - Quote @ Cat Merc everybody knows you'r a troll dude :p
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5652	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:49:00 - [46] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c Jump then charge MOAR Ladders
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:55:00 - [47] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c Jump then charge I got to say, I feel like a bad ass when I pull off one hit Raptor kills So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5652	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:03:00 - [48] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Yeah, honestly my minja needs a little help. Friggin' speed drop when you charge those knives, it's hard on a feller' :c Jump then charge I got to say, I feel like a bad ass when I pull off one hit Raptor kills Aye MOAR Ladders
Regnier Feros G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 122	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:12:00 - [49] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Rapier? I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1006	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:16:00 - [50] - Quote If anything 1.10 is a Major nerf to minjas. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!

Espla El espia Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:17:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. I really do appreciate all the work you've done, Rattati. Often, I joke about how DUST has stolen development from other games but in reality it's because you and other devs working on DUST are just that awesome :) Just to throw you an idea (I can't remember if I've pitched it before): Minmatar scout adv. suit should have 2 highs, 3 lows. It would give me a reason to skill into it and would let it actually fit kincat, damp, AND codebreaker. Or other such fun combinations. If you want a lore reason for Minmatar appearing to be "armor tank" then look no further than the Vagabond from EVE: 4 mids, 5 lows, it's a shield tank ship despite 2 mids being used up by propulsion module and warp disruption. There are also plenty of other examples for armor Minmatar as it was supposed to be split tank in the beginning but has shifted to include active shield tanking. If you don't make that change, I'd like to see Myofibs get that mobility bonus you commented on (not quoting because I'm lazy) or something similar!
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 14	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:25:00 - [52] - Quote Amarr = Templar Sword (like crussaiders) Caldari = Katana Gallente = cavalry sword Minmatar = Katar sword or assasins daggers... and boom !!! ... the most incredible FPS - CQC game ever !
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2164	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:57:00 - [53] - Quote - Cal scouts are nerfed as they have less range, their unique selling point - Amarr scouts are HEAVILY nerfed as the range nerf plus range amp nerf means their precision is too short ranged to be practical - Min scout knifers and gal scout shotgunners are buffed as scan scouts hunting them won't be a thing anymore (in competitive play it is pretty marginal already)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19818	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:01:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: CCP im still waiting for my Amarr sword... Thal sits on his knees praying for that thing every day....... if the Amarr did get a CQC weapon and it was anything but a sword....... I honestly don't know what he'd do. Surely a mace would be more holy? The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 794	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:34:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: lol Check my edit, I know that the CPM gave you numbers, but it was mostly to stop the barbershop heart attack from ruining everything :P Spreading lies will get you banned. My patience is not without limits. R3KT. pls don't ban me rattati lol Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1039	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:38:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: But it still keeps them the dominant force along with sentinels, medium frames will not see any use, so business as usual. You see the original numbers at least gave medium frames a reason to use precision enhancer or two, or maybe even a range amp if they felt extra scanny today, but now? Pfft, lolno, leave it to the scouts, everyone else just brick. I 100% disagree with that statement. These are numbers that CCP and CPM worked on based on all the feedback we were given. Thing is, the meta won't change: sacrificing tank for EWar is going to remain an enormous drain on resources for anyone other than Scouts, and even they will actually feel a pinch (which isn't unreasonable, but I think this may negatively impact them much like the Bandwidth system bonus Logis early on.) I ran numbers and I made a mention of them but knew that they'd get swallowed right now, so I will happily provide feedback after deployment. But simply, the close range scans are next to useless: they are at such proximity that you'll have already been shotgunned/knifed by the time you can register the radar blip, react and actually turn. It can't be too long or else dampening is worthless, but base scan ranges for Scouts, Assaults, Commandos and Logis needs to be at least 15m, not the 10 (12.5 for Logis) that's coming. At 15m, we'll have a 22.66m (considering the x0.4 modifier for range plus the skill bonus) close range scan with 3 CxRAs. That's a close of 22.66; normal of 55.65; and a far of 113.31. That's an investment of three complex low slot modules to get a 113m scan that picks up nothing but vehicles; a normal scan that picks up heavies and undampened Logis and a close that picks up undampened scouts. Considering that a scout can still evade with two CxDamps (350.90.750.785 = 18.55) or one if they have the damp bonus (350.90.850.75 = 20.08.) With the incoming changes we will be getting an 18.885m close range on a Logi with 3x CxRAs (assuming that they remain at 45%.) Other classes will have a 15.108m close range. Considering that a base scan of 15m is considered pretty awful in general, a 15m but very precise scan would actually be useful while the normal range would pick up heavies and allow an actual EWar meta to develop. Essentially, scan ranges need to go up, because the Close range is too close and the Far range is too imprecise for anything but heavies. Though I'd say that the Far range would need pulled back a little. Anyway, the current numbers won't shake anything up, but I am glad that we're getting the mechanics in place. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 918	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:57:00 - [57] - Quote @ Kallas That ~1 second warning-blip is shared via passive scans. Mercs getting flanked and stabbed might not change, and quite frankly, it shouldn't change. What will change is that assassin's position will be broadcasted to his victim's squad. That's a pretty big deal.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1042	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:07:00 - [58] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Kallas That ~1 second warning-blip is shared via passive scans. Mercs getting flanked and stabbed might not change, and quite frankly, it shouldn't change. What will change is that assassin's position will be broadcasted to his victim's squad. That's a pretty big deal. That's true, hadn't considered that. I'm not sure that's enough though. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 922	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:11:00 - [59] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: @ Kallas That ~1 second warning-blip is shared via passive scans. Mercs getting flanked and stabbed might not change, and quite frankly, it shouldn't change. What will change is that assassin's position will be broadcasted to his victim's squad. That's a pretty big deal. That's true, hadn't considered that. I'm not sure that's enough though. Agreed. Best we get hands on the new system before deciding what to tune. Fox Gaden put it best: Fox Gaden wrote: Better to bring in a new system with numbers close to what we have already, and look at how that plays out, so we understand the unanticipated consequences of the system a little more before we start making major changes to the numbers.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 453	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:12:00 - [60] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: - Cal scouts are nerfed as they have less range, their unique selling point - Amarr scouts are HEAVILY nerfed as the range nerf plus range amp nerf means their precision is too short ranged to be practical - Min scout knifers and gal scout shotgunners are buffed as scan scouts hunting them won't be a thing anymore (in competitive play it is pretty marginal already) I don't know all the numbers but I'm pretty sure a lvl 5 amarr scout with a full load out of precision mods will be able to scan even a gal scout running damps. With a precision scan of 7m that goes to 10 WITHOUT a rang amplifier that's a big deal. Gal went from complete tacnet invisibility to watching for that amarr that can light him up. Given with they way lag effects tacnet 10m isn't much if the scout is sprinting towards you but the gal, and by extension all other scouts, can't hide with impunity in wait to ambush at a doorway. We now have a real scout hunter, not a super competitive PC worthy hunter, but a solid role in pubs??? Definitely Side note: Minmatar is screwed in EWAR still So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..



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