We should remove strafing, buff aim assist, and make DUST 514 into a turn-based RPG

Honestly that seems like the most honorable solution.

Why give the advantage to someone who has situational awareness, precision aim, and a drive to win over someone who has better stats?

It's unfair that if I spend thousands of hours grinding all day to get PROTO weapons and less dispersion on my rifle, that some stupid tryhard can come and beat me just because he has no life and uses cheap tactics.

Honestly that seems like the most honorable solution.

Why give the advantage to someone who has situational awareness, precision aim, and a drive to win over someone who has better stats?

It's unfair that if I spend thousands of hours grinding all day to get PROTO weapons and less dispersion on my rifle, that some stupid tryhard can come and beat me just because he has no life and uses cheap tactics.

A lot of famous people with money say vaccinations are bad for you.

So they're probably bad.

Similarly a lot of forum-famous people with lots of likes say that strafing is ruining the game.

So strafing is probably bad.

Simple Logic, and CCP should be listening.

Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game.

As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots.

I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head.

CCP PLEASE.

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NICE, to see this thread run so many pages.

I predicted that, once the heat dies down about Equipment (anti-spamming) Bandwith being introduced, Patch 1.10 would be remembered for boldly attacking the "Strafing Exploit" (some argue it's really a strafing CHEAT), in more exotic and controversial ways than previous game titles ever really did.
Not trying to speak for CCP, but I feel sure they have teammates who have always felt the "strafe" technique of avoiding your opponent's bullets, was a legendary gimmick that has unfairly ruled fps games for way too long.

"Strafing" is an excuse-name for what we are doing---we're really jumping backwards like bunnies, backpedalling in 15 ft diameter circles around the shooter, figure-eight rolling with the analogue sticks while shooting, and leap-froggin over the shooter's head right after we quick-shotty him.

We only call it "strafing" for the same reason a lousy driver who nearly causes highway accidents calls herself "an aggressive driver": to give a more positive "power" perspective on what she is doing, while implying that other drivers are weaker or timid if they can't drive the way she does.
...There really never was any such reality as "aggressive drivers". They are just lousy drivers who push the exploitable intention of road safety lines and procedures, and make driving unsafe for the rest of us.
...There really never was much reality in what we call "strafing" in our fps games. The arguement is that these are just players who exploit the intention of the controller buttons and game movements, and make the game annoyingly too cartoonish and evasive for the rest of us.

I am not officially saying I agree or disagree with the argument about the strafe-exploit gimmick. But, just like the issues that Aim-Assist responded to in Dust, I think it is something that needs to be strongly REDUCED (not entirely eliminated). And I'm glad to see Dust is the game stepping forward to inventively try.

It's likely not going to be as rock-solid and unnecessary to tweak as the Aim-Assist design was, but I believe with some adjustments and polish, the Strafe-Penalty mechanic will work.
The SIGNIFICANCE of it is certainly starting to sink in... LOL.

The problem is not the strafing it self it's the fact that you go insta max speed when changing directions .

If you remove strafing, ppl have to start to use cover and think before the rush forward.
Now they do the matrix dance and are oblivious to the fact that there is a guy behind cover shooting at them.
That's not "thru skill" that's just a broken game mechanic.

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You guys are both buying forum propaganda based on bullshit.

There is movement acceleration on both the Controller and Keyboard.

When you press a button or move a joystick to move... There is an acceleration curve to get to max speed.

This has been said and confirmed by developers countless times.

But taking cover? Totally legit.. There is hardly any open spaces in DUST devoid of any vegetation, boxes, walls and places you can generally take cover.

We should obviously make this game like GTA 5 where you can put your back against a wall and stick your gun around the corner and fire....... Wait a minute..... It doesn't work like this.... Maybe they intended people to move around?

I am entitled to my opinion.
You maybee right about the speed thing it's still bullshit with the matrix strafe. It should NOT be a option to dance your way over a open field it's tottal and utter crap.

And yeah I strafe also but when i am into a 1v1 strafe battle against some one it's just a ridiculous game meckanic win or loose.

No cover !
Help me to undetstan, is there or is it not cover in the game!

I believe it ads to the game if you have to think twice before you charge over a open field with a fortification on the other side.

However I respect ppl that like it as it is now even if I don't agree one bit with it

Regards

NICE, to see this thread run so many pages.

I predicted that, once the heat dies down about Equipment (anti-spamming) Bandwith being introduced, Patch 1.10 would be remembered for boldly attacking the "Strafing Exploit" (some argue it's really a strafing CHEAT), in more exotic and controversial ways than previous game titles ever really did.
Not trying to speak for CCP, but I feel sure they have teammates who have always felt the "strafe" technique of avoiding your opponent's bullets, was a legendary gimmick that has unfairly ruled fps games for way too long.

"Strafing" is an excuse-name for what we are doing---we're really jumping backwards like bunnies, backpedalling in 15 ft diameter circles around the shooter, figure-eight rolling with the analogue sticks while shooting, and leap-froggin over the shooter's head right after we quick-shotty him.

We only call it "strafing" for the same reason a lousy driver who nearly causes highway accidents calls herself "an aggressive driver": to give a more positive "power" perspective on what she is doing, while implying that other drivers are weaker or timid if they can't drive the way she does.
...There really never was any such reality as "aggressive drivers". They are just lousy drivers who push the exploitable intention of road safety lines and procedures, and make driving unsafe for the rest of us.
...There really never was much reality in what we call "strafing" in our fps games. The arguement is that these are just players who exploit the intention of the controller buttons and game movements, and make the game annoyingly too cartoonish and evasive for the rest of us.

I am not officially saying I agree or disagree with the argument about the strafe-exploit gimmick. But, just like the issues that Aim-Assist responded to in Dust, I think it is something that needs to be strongly REDUCED (not entirely eliminated). And I'm glad to see Dust is the game stepping forward to inventively try.

It's likely not going to be as rock-solid and unnecessary to tweak as the Aim-Assist design was, but I believe with some adjustments and polish, the Strafe-Penalty mechanic will work.
The SIGNIFICANCE of it is certainly starting to sink in... LOL.

I am entitled to my opinion.
You maybee right about the speed thing it's still bullshit with the matrix strafe. It should NOT be a option to dance your way over a open field it's tottal and utter crap.

And yeah I strafe also but when i am into a 1v1 strafe battle against some one it's just a ridiculous game meckanic win or loose.

No cover !
Help me to undetstan, is there or is it not cover in the game!

I believe it ads to the game if you have to think twice before you charge over a open field with a fortification on the other side.

However I respect ppl that like it as it is now even if I don't agree one bit with it

Regards

DUST isn't a real life representation of a FPS.... There are games for that.

DUst is a Futuristic FPS built in the New Eden Galaxy.

We have regenerative armor, Shields... We have suits that move at over 11 meters per second... Which is over 40 Kilometers an hour.

If you have a suit moving around at 40km/h in CQC..... Is it more realistic that they will move around faster then you could spin around and acquire accurate aim?

This isn't an opinion based topic.

When a Immortal Mercenary who has died thousands of times on the battlefield has the ability to move at 20-40km/h with Shield and armor providing defense for the first few hits... They will use that to negate or reduce incoming damage. Specially when someone starts shooting at their back.

Even if it is simply Juke'ing out someones aim or prediction to where you are about to move to at 20-40km/h... It makes MORE sense then someone being able to track and hit them accurately..


In DUST.... There is more map without any cover then there is map with cover. There are places in DUST's map that you could fit entire CoD maps into... and it has nothing... Not a rock, a peice of grass or even a box.

This "Cover" Shooter game that people come on these forums and talk about... Doesn't exist.. This game was never built with that in mind.

If it was a cover based game? We would have mechanics like GTA 5.... where you can put your back up against a wall... peak around corners... Sick your gun out... DUST is not built like this in any way what so ever.

How about actual 'tank controls' for moving infantry around:

left stick controls left leg forward/backward
right stick controls right leg forward/backward

Completely eliminate strafing, job done.

KB/M players can just stick to the standard QWOP controls for forward/backward; turning/looking/firing is handled by AI.

Converting the game to be a rails shooter would also be an elegant solution.

Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game.

As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots.

I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head.

CCP PLEASE.

They tried standing in neat lines and not dodging bullets during the war of 1812, didn't work. Why should they remove strafing? It's realistic, and every other shooter has it. They should definitely add strafe acceleration and nerf strafe speed, but removal would just be silly.