DUST Search - REMOVE STRAFING FROM THE GAME

Vrain Matari wrote:

KA24DERT wrote:

Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game.

As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots.

I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head.

CCP PLEASE.

I only half agree with you because you're missing half the picture.

Removing strafing is fine, but we also need a set of passive skills that increase aim assist. They would have to break down to categories like 'Adhesion Amplification', 'Magnetization Radius Modulation' and 'Assist Range Projection' to name only a few.

But we also want to maintain racial identities, so we could vary racial bonuses, for example Ammarians could get an 'Alpha Shot hyperMagenetization' bonus for their Scrambler Rifles bonus while Minmatar could get a 'Projectile Tracking Adhesion' bonus for their Combat Rifles. 'Assist Range Amplification' would be a great native bonus for the Caldari and their Rail Rifles, whereas 'Magnetization Radius Expansion' is just the ticket for Gallente.

I know this all sound great, we have to be careful that all these skillpoint sinks don't make the game too grindy, so these bonuses should be available in the AUR store, to accommodate all manners of playstyles.

P.S. Could someone please forward this to CCP Z? I think he'll love it.

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2351	Posted - 2014.11.30 04:46:00 - [31] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game. As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots. I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head. CCP PLEASE. I only half agree with you because you're missing half the picture. Removing strafing is fine, but we also need a set of passive skills that increase aim assist. They would have to break down to categories like 'Adhesion Amplification', 'Magnetization Radius Modulation' and 'Assist Range Projection' to name only a few. But we also want to maintain racial identities, so we could vary racial bonuses, for example Ammarians could get an 'Alpha Shot hyperMagenetization' bonus for their Scrambler Rifles bonus while Minmatar could get a 'Projectile Tracking Adhesion' bonus for their Combat Rifles. 'Assist Range Amplification' would be a great native bonus for the Caldari and their Rail Rifles, whereas 'Magnetization Radius Expansion' is just the ticket for Gallente. I know this all sound great, we have to be careful that all these skillpoint sinks don't make the game too grindy, so these bonuses should be available in the AUR store, to accommodate all manners of playstyles. P.S. Could someone please forward this to CCP Z? I think he'll love it. PSN: RationalSpark
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 861	Posted - 2014.11.30 04:46:00 - [32] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: As people above said, we need inertia physics, the way it is now people change direction instantly, becoming near untouchable. EDIT: Yup, had a feeling my post would be on the next page... shoulda listened to it, yup... -.- I'm tired of this silly myth about the game not having "inertia" You strafe left-right-left-right and the local client DOES NOT let you instantly change directions, there's a little slop. Test it yourself. The problem is that the network/movement prediction code is misconfigured or just plain screwed, and is showing remote clients that your character is at x + 3 location, instead of x + 1 (or whatever the right latency correction is). Strafing quickly just exacerbates this. This is evident to anyone who plays without aim assist (Mouse users, FW Griefers, Plasma Cannons, Mass Drivers, etc), who watch their shots fly right through people every damned day because their target is NOT ACTUALLY THERE. Let's not confuse the issue, eliminating strafing isn't to "fix" the netcode, and won't ever "fix" the netcode unless movement is removed entirely from the game (something that should be seriously considered). The point of removing strafing is to fix the fundamental flaw in this game: THAT PEOPLE CAN STRAFE AT ALL. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 861	Posted - 2014.11.30 04:49:00 - [33] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game. As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots. I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head. CCP PLEASE. I only half agree with you because you're missing half the picture. Removing strafing is fine, but we also need a set of passive skills that increase aim assist. They would have to break down to categories like 'Adhesion Amplification', 'Magnetization Radius Modulation' and 'Assist Range Projection' to name only a few. But we also want to maintain racial identities, so we could vary racial bonuses, for example Ammarians could get an 'Alpha Shot hyperMagenetization' bonus for their Scrambler Rifles bonus while Minmatar could get a 'Projectile Tracking Adhesion' bonus for their Combat Rifles. 'Assist Range Amplification' would be a great native bonus for the Caldari and their Rail Rifles, whereas 'Magnetization Radius Expansion' is just the ticket for Gallente. I know this all sound great, we have to be careful that all these skillpoint sinks don't make the game too grindy, so these bonuses should be available in the AUR store, to accommodate all manners of playstyles. P.S. Could someone please forward this to CCP Z? I think he'll love it. +10000000 This needs to be implemented ASAP! In fact, you should probably make a new proposal thread with this idea. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2793	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:44:00 - [34] - Quote Personally I'd be fine if they did away with Strafe Mechanics and DUST returned to the original cover-and-terrain-based origins it sported at the very start, but that's just me. Anywho, mildly amusing troll thread, 7/10 "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 866	Posted - 2014.11.30 23:48:00 - [35] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The only problem with strafing is low FPS and poor hit detection. Can CCP fix the core problems of the game instead of trying to put playability band aids on on that just make these things even more difficult to fix? Strafing was never a problem when we had the thing that slowed you down when you got shot. I really think this should be brought back. I think you're on to something. Removing strafing might not be enough since you can still turn and sprint. I fully support the reduction of motion while being shot, especially since aim assist will work EVEN BETTER with that mechanism. Honestly the TTK in this game is way too high anyway. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
Espeon Bons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 315	Posted - 2014.11.30 23:52:00 - [36] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game. As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots. I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head. CCP PLEASE. Just make a thread saying change the name to Bons514 cuz thats the route your taking. Redemption comes from changing who you are on the inside. Stain yourself with evil to defeat a greater evil.
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 495	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:19:00 - [37] - Quote It's a defense mechanism for scouts, because we have to dodge shots due to a lower eHP. I think strafing is more of an issue with heavies and assaults. Idk if you've ever seen a min/gal/cal heavy strafe, but it's difficult to kill a skilled strafer in a heavy suit. Shield-tanked assault suits are also hard to hit while strafing. Due to the high amount of hit points a character can have, and a low TTK like this game, you emphasize strafing as an importance to maintain as much of that eHP as possible. If you eliminate strafing, it no longer becomes about skill necessarily, rather who has the most eHP. That's why I like strafing, just not with heavies. Only loyal to the republic.
ReGnYuM Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 3335	Posted - 2014.12.01 01:28:00 - [38] - Quote +1000 Thank you OP I am just sick and tired of losing Gunfights to scrubs, who magically move their thumbs left and right. Its a game breaking mechanic, and I am just finally glad someone had the courage to bring it up. I have been here sense day one and have amassed a huge amount of SP and ISK. 99% of the player population should not even be able to challenge me, yet with the strafing mechanic, I die more times then I kill. CCP I am a paying loyal costumer, who is being destroyed by these so-called joystick jockeys. Just get rid of strafing, and LET US ROLL FOR KILLS.
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 252	Posted - 2014.12.01 01:48:00 - [39] - Quote NERF LEGS all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others goebbels would be proud
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 875	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:22:00 - [40] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: +1000 Thank you OP I am just sick and tired of losing Gunfights to scrubs, who magically move their thumbs left and right. Its a game breaking mechanic, and I am just finally glad someone had the courage to bring it up. I have been here sense day one and have amassed a huge amount of SP and ISK. 99% of the player population should not even be able to challenge me, yet with the strafing mechanic, I die more times then I kill. CCP I am a paying loyal costumer, who is being destroyed by these so-called joystick jockeys. Just get rid of strafing, and LET US ROLL FOR KILLS. I think you're on to something. This IS an RPG after all. Shouldn't the highest skilled character in the best gear always win out? Individual skill shouldn't be what defines this game, and actually prevents people from enjoying it because they aren't "FPS spergs". I think enough is enough. I should be rewarded for grinding and buying boosters, and my SP and skill tree should have more of an effect on the outcome. Can we just have a roll of the dice for encounters based on stats? We could even have modules that increase our "luck", just so maybe the low skilled players can win an encounter SOMETIMES (maybe like 5-10%). This gets to the root of the idea behind Aim Assist modules, but cuts all the middle-men out. The Luck Module should have stacking penalties of course. We wouldn't want this game over-run by Proto-Luck tryhards. BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate

Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves 345	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:37:00 - [41] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Strafing is fundamentally bad for the game. As it is, someone can start moving unpredictably, thereby confusing their opponent and throwing off their aim. But there's also a chance that the opponent is a tryhard strafe-cheater as well, and now you have TWO people trying to trick each other into missing shots, while also trying to LAND shots. I think we can all say that using such trickery to win an encounter is utterly unacceptable. It's kinda like in basketball when someone fakes another player out, and then the referee shoots the offending player in the back of the head. CCP PLEASE. "Waaaaa, I can't aim at moving targets!" -Op, 2014 I do not know love, only ( -í° -£-û -í°). Closed Beta Vet
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1309	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:41:00 - [42] - Quote It is def too op for me. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3067	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:57:00 - [43] - Quote Stupid idea. Sounds like you are unhappy that others are better at dodging and landing hits than you are, and if I'm not mistaken doesn't that factor into the infamous "gun game" everyone is talking about? No, the idea is without merit (says the Commando) I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19848	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:58:00 - [44] - Quote This troll is excellent. The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 454	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:59:00 - [45] - Quote just fly a ds to a rooftop so you don't have to deal with scouts cheating
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 2436	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:19:00 - [46] - Quote I bet it was a matari slave who invented strafing. They didn't want to be enlightened by our scrambler rifles holy blessing. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3067	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:27:00 - [47] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: I bet it was a matari slave who invented strafing. They didn't want to be enlightened by our scrambler rifles holy blessing. Oh my.... YOU'RE ALIVE! (and you caught me - I invented strafing, but not for the reason you say - I did it because you never look both ways before darting across an open field) I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1795	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:35:00 - [48] - Quote I for one welcome our momentum-free overlords. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 811	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:56:00 - [49] - Quote WTF?!! DOES EVERYONE IN THE GAME COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING? DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
Hakyou Brutor Titans of Phoenix 1739	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:58:00 - [50] - Quote I lol'd Edit: Also, HEAVY 514 Knight Soiaire = my bae

Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 269	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:03:00 - [51] - Quote Lmao! Dodging should be part of a game in my opinion, BUT people using keyboards should not have the advantage they do with it. Personally I say disable using a keyboard for the game, I've played online FPS's on a PC, a controller cannot contend with the functionality of the keyboard and mouse. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 878	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:06:00 - [52] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Lmao! Dodging should be part of a game in my opinion, BUT people using keyboards should not have the advantage they do with it. Personally I say disable using a keyboard for the game, I've played online FPS's on a PC, a controller cannot contend with the functionality of the keyboard and mouse. 100% AGREE!! AND WHEN LEGION COMES OUT, WE SHOULD DISABLE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE THERE TOO! BAN ADVANCED GEAR FROM PUBS \| Mass Driver Advocate
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 269	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:44:00 - [53] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Lmao! Dodging should be part of a game in my opinion, BUT people using keyboards should not have the advantage they do with it. Personally I say disable using a keyboard for the game, I've played online FPS's on a PC, a controller cannot contend with the functionality of the keyboard and mouse. 100% AGREE!! AND WHEN LEGION COMES OUT ON PC, WE SHOULD DISABLE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE THERE TOO! That's just silly since everyone will obviously play with a keyboard and mouse primarily. The argument could be made that everyone can use a keyboard and mouse, but the thing is every system comes with a controller so you know everyone has one and people like me who use a USB port for their headset can't plug up both since there is only one USB spot left .3. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2192	Posted - 2014.12.05 00:53:00 - [54] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Lmao! Dodging should be part of a game in my opinion, BUT people using keyboards should not have the advantage they do with it. Personally I say disable using a keyboard for the game, I've played online FPS's on a PC, a controller cannot contend with the functionality of the keyboard and mouse. 100% AGREE!! AND WHEN LEGION COMES OUT ON PC, WE SHOULD DISABLE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE THERE TOO! What came in the box w/ your PS3? What comes in the box w/ all PC's? I rest my case. I Live for Tears
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 584	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:52:00 - [55] - Quote with the current TTK, the best way to prolong your life is to strafe. shooting from behind cover ismt very efective, as most weapons have fairly light recoil, allowing for precise placement of shots. Although, if you could come up with an alternate way of doing things, i would support it, because I personally have the most fun in Academy matches where no one knows how to strafe, so they all fire from behind cover. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 660	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:57:00 - [56] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: lol Dert claims more victims with his superior brand of trolling, gg Yeah I'm amazed he baited so many, I was skeptical anyways as no strafing sounds pretty dumb, but I caught his obvious sarcasm when he compared it to faking out throws and the ref shooting the player in the back of the head... I mean seriously guys...
Omega Nox Consolidated Dust 23	Posted - 2014.12.05 02:10:00 - [57] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: The only reason I agree with this is because CCP, for some reason, cannot get the game to run higher than 2 frames per second. It's been almost 3 years CCP... it shouldn't take this long to get this game to work on the most basic level... it looks like they did... only in legion though which they had been working on for 6 months behind Dust514 (Laser focused lmao). You can see this at the fanfest2014 demo of project legion Maybe less graphics and eye candy and more 'fps' (AKA less lag and being actually able to shoot the shotgun/nova knifing wielding scout).
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2536	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:23:00 - [58] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Honestly the TTK in this game is way too high anyway. This. I Mean, when you go and play battlefield.. Everything I shoot at dies in 1-2 seconds. Then you come to DUST 514 where I Put on an high tech dropsuit with shields and regenerative armor. Skill out the character with millions of skill points amplifying movement speed, health points ETC... Why should we have an intense fight where both mercenaries are fighting for 20-30 seconds? If I see a Mercenaries back.. They should die before they have a chance to turn around, They only loose isk each time they die.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6326	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:25:00 - [59] - Quote No and enjoy. I am GJRs Renfield.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2536	Posted - 2014.12.05 16:27:00 - [60] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Lmao! Dodging should be part of a game in my opinion, BUT people using keyboards should not have the advantage they do with it. Personally I say disable using a keyboard for the game, I've played online FPS's on a PC, a controller cannot contend with the functionality of the keyboard and mouse. 100% AGREE!! AND WHEN LEGION COMES OUT ON PC, WE SHOULD DISABLE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE THERE TOO! What came in the box w/ your PS3? What comes in the box w/ all PC's? I rest my case. What is in this Picture ---------->Here Case rested?



Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

Knight Soiaire = my bae

I Live for Tears