DUST Search - An Investigation into the world of DUST 514 and CCP Games

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

PS4 is the only thing that can save this game.

Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was.

On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on.

Totally agree Himiko.....with this new version of Dust and added improvements for PS4 system, I think this game would be revived.

couldn't be more wrong. consoles have far too many restrictions for online store games. with PC CCP will be free to do things as and when they like with no one ot answer to but themselves and the players. Also, there are over 500k subs to EVE, not all them have consoles and many wouldn't dream of buying a console. having the oppertunity to download Legion on a machine they're familiar and have a preference too, and that many believe is the 'best' for gaming then Legion is likely to flourish on PC than it would on consoles. I've always been a console gamer all my life but with consoles Sony, MS, Nintendo are quite restrictive about their online markets as well as the security needed for DUST/Legion to connect with EVE, it was one of the reasons reported that MS wouldn't allow it on 360 (same as with the Portal 2 PC to console connections) having both Legion and EVE on the same system with same/similar coding should enable it to succeed and build both playerbase and reputation to then perhaps move over to ps4 and/or XB1 in 3-4yrs time similar to how Planetside 2 is.

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Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2658	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:03:00 - [31] - Quote I wear tinfoil underwears! Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Feldt-Grace Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company 34	Posted - 2014.11.25 19:36:00 - [32] - Quote In the German Store ist Dust not F2P~ =ƒÿ¦ TRANS-AM! Gundam, DUST and more Gameplays
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 621	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:04:00 - [33] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP. And he was the last UI designer in Shanghai! BAMM HAVOC wrote: This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion? Damn good question. Fanfest 2015, if we don't hear anything by then, well, we won't ever. Fanfest of 2015 will be an interesting time for ccp, I for 1 hope they show us there legion beta ! YOU TUBES BEERCANATER PLUS BACON !
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1061	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:16:00 - [34] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Fanfest of 2015 will be an interesting time for ccp, I for 1 hope they show us there legion beta ! First you need alpha.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 187	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:44:00 - [35] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Fanfest of 2015 will be an interesting time for ccp, I for 1 hope they show us there legion beta ! First you need alpha. Aren't we in effect playing that now? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 621	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:37:00 - [36] - Quote Part 2 : DUST 514 : The Acquisition And State Of CCP. YOU TUBES BEERCANATER PLUS BACON !
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3473	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:54:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: PS4 is the only thing that can save this game. Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was. On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on. Totally agree Himiko.....with this new version of Dust and added improvements for PS4 system, I think this game would be revived. > Check RND out here
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3304	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:04:00 - [38] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Fanfest of 2015 will be an interesting time for ccp, I for 1 hope they show us there legion beta ! CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. It does make you wonder a little bit. 1 year for beta was too soon imo so I'm not surprised we're not seeing a finished product but nothing at all at fanfest makes me a little concerned. Something tells me Legion is not getting its spotlight at FF2015 due to decisions made by management at Reykjavik and not by management at Shanghai.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 189	Posted - 2014.11.27 16:56:00 - [39] - Quote Calling it now... Legion will be an eve expansion next summer where you leave your ship and go fight on a planet. Or land your ship on a planet and go explore. Looking forward to seeing drop suits and weapons in the NEX store anyone? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4838	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:10:00 - [40] - Quote So far, this entire series is extra tinfoily. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 590	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:15:00 - [41] - Quote Yeah, I'm pretty sure the multi-million dollar write off was for CCP Atlanta's closure and the cancelation of the World of Darkness MMO. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:23:00 - [42] - Quote Maybe something you may not have taken in conscideration, but eve got increased subs to 400,000 to 500,000 between late 2012 to 2013.
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5457	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:33:00 - [43] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: IGÇÖd like to point out that weGÇÖre not doing this to pick on CCP Games, or continue the barrage of useless doom-and-gloom, that has infested the forums for so long GÇô WeGÇÖre doing it because weGÇÖre sceptical, and concerned, and scared by the nature of CCPGÇÖs communication (hint: It is still insufficient). We truly want DUST514 do to well, to hold its own, and to evolve into EVE:Legion; some of us are actually even buying PCs just to play EVE:Legion on! It has been more than 2 years now, and CCP is still just throwing crumpets at us, and expecting us to be well-pleased that we get anything at all. In this age, where other companies are engaging their customers much more frequently and direct, especially in the F2P area, we are getting the odd bit of information, with nothing to support it or any explanations, and weGÇÖre just here to say that CCP Games can and should do better. WARNING Mind Blow Inbound: DUST 514 : The Dust Players Count They did engage their customers more frequently and directly. We got DUST and then the DUST keynote at fanfest. We got only a part of what was marketed. They are keeping their mouths shut on Legion for good reason. EVE connection anyone? The biggest feature that DUST was marketed with and largely non-existent. I'm glad they're keeping their Incarna/DUST mouths shut for once. Let's not forget that CCP has said in interviews that they believe the EVE link to be a MISTAKE. It appears to be their honest belief that the game should have been launched and spent no less than a year with NO connection to EVE Online whatsoever. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 798	Posted - 2014.11.27 23:49:00 - [44] - Quote if ccp sells i hope its to sony and no one else
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10323	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:57:00 - [45] - Quote As long as they don't get sold off to EA. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10323	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:58:00 - [46] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: if ccp sells i hope its to sony and no one else Sorry, I don't trust Sony. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:59:00 - [47] - Quote I don't think dust would be considered good investment for any company what grand mechanics the game does have can be reproduced. Even in the respect of PR I spend a ton of time on games pc/xbox/ps3 and I never even heard of this game; I stumbled upon it when checking out defiance. Further still lets say I just missed that memo and those pages in my gaming news along with all of my mmo buddies well I don't think dust is something that people could equate with esports the plague of balance issues doesn't allow for it nor does the name inspire confidence. If they want to change peoples perception of dust they better act soon because their time is short, but I get the feeling that this crew is just riding a dead horse to the bank; maybe I'm wrong though and the changes they are saving will make legion the competitive mmo shooter that everyone wants. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:59:00 - [48] - Quote I think that the connections with the eve universe creates a lot of complications. I don't think dust would be considered good investment for any company, what grand mechanics the game does have can be reproduced. Even in the respect of PR I spend a ton of time on games pc/xbox/ps3 and I never even heard of this game; I stumbled upon it when checking out defiance. Further still lets say I just missed that memo, those pages in my gaming news along, and so did all of my mmo buddies... I don't think dust is something that people could equate with esports the plague of balance issues doesn't allow for it nor does the name inspire confidence. Even If they want to change peoples perception of dust their time is short, but I get the feeling that this crew is just riding a dead horse to the bank; maybe I'm wrong though and the changes they are saving will make legion the competitive mmo shooter that everyone wants. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10323	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:00:00 - [49] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: IGÇÖd like to point out that weGÇÖre not doing this to pick on CCP Games, or continue the barrage of useless doom-and-gloom, that has infested the forums for so long GÇô WeGÇÖre doing it because weGÇÖre sceptical, and concerned, and scared by the nature of CCPGÇÖs communication (hint: It is still insufficient). We truly want DUST514 do to well, to hold its own, and to evolve into EVE:Legion; some of us are actually even buying PCs just to play EVE:Legion on! It has been more than 2 years now, and CCP is still just throwing crumpets at us, and expecting us to be well-pleased that we get anything at all. In this age, where other companies are engaging their customers much more frequently and direct, especially in the F2P area, we are getting the odd bit of information, with nothing to support it or any explanations, and weGÇÖre just here to say that CCP Games can and should do better. WARNING Mind Blow Inbound: DUST 514 : The Dust Players Count They did engage their customers more frequently and directly. We got DUST and then the DUST keynote at fanfest. We got only a part of what was marketed. They are keeping their mouths shut on Legion for good reason. EVE connection anyone? The biggest feature that DUST was marketed with and largely non-existent. I'm glad they're keeping their Incarna/DUST mouths shut for once. Let's not forget that CCP has said in interviews that they believe the EVE link to be a MISTAKE. It appears to be their honest belief that the game should have been launched and spent no less than a year with NO connection to EVE Online whatsoever. From the looks of it, they were probably right about that. The Eve-Dust connection we have now is absolutely meaningless and has no impact on Eve. Even faction warfare doesn't do much and that is the biggest connection we have with Eve at the moment. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:18:00 - [50] - Quote I was shocked when someone described dust as a sandbox game, but then realized after I spent some time with the game that it was because it was so poorly balanced. "Remember, despite it's overwhelming success in the MMO market, the idiotic 'gaming community' still considers EVE's approach to be a 'niche' design philosophy. Catering specifically to morons makes one many millions. Not doing so is still considered strange and alien to most any game company. " lol so much for that ehh ccp. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$

The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:18:00 - [51] - Quote I was shocked when someone described dust as a sandbox game, but then realized after I spent some time with the game that it was because it was so poorly balanced. "Remember, despite it's overwhelming success in the MMO market, the idiotic 'gaming community' still considers EVE's approach to be a 'niche' design philosophy. Catering specifically to morons makes one many millions. Not doing so is still considered strange and alien to most any game company. " lol so much for that ehh ccp no need for balance as long as the zombies stay. 21 day fast 11/28/14 Life-$
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10324	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:46:00 - [52] - Quote Something to read through since we're on the subject matter. Keep in mind that The Mittani website is a very reputable source of information for anything happening with CCP, Dust 514, and Eve Online and they have a good staff from the looks of it. http://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs From the looks of it, CCP may have suffered a lot with the cancellation of WoD, but it's still doing just fine. And since Dust is making money compared to World of Darkness (which never made money), I can't say for sure if this is a sign of CCP ever being sold. At least not yet. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2662	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:01:00 - [53] - Quote They are selling to Immortal John Ripper!! Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 621	Posted - 2014.11.28 09:20:00 - [54] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Something to read through since we're on the subject matter. Keep in mind that The Mittani website is a very reputable source of information for anything happening with CCP, Dust 514, and Eve Online and they have a good staff from the looks of it. http://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs From the looks of it, CCP may have suffered a lot with the cancellation of WoD, but it's still doing just fine. And since Dust is making money compared to World of Darkness (which never made money), I can't say for sure if this is a sign of CCP ever being sold. At least not yet. This was in part started by that article, Good find! YOU TUBES BEERCANATER PLUS BACON !
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 457	Posted - 2014.11.28 12:18:00 - [55] - Quote Just purely speculating here, but if i understand the points you made in your past videos that A) Dust has been written off as a R&D project and B) CCP is being sold, so the company is boosting stats about its assests until it can it can find a suitible buyer. The frustrating part is that CCP has done nothing to attract enough players to dust so they wouldn't have to stat boost. CCP also cut its own financial success when they stopped selling BPOs for over a year and merely relied upon booster sales. And the way the Rouge wedding played out really crippled dust. A lot of people quit playing and/or stopped buying aurum, and quite a few cancelled there eve accounts as well. They really cut off thier nose to spite their own face and the hotfixes and 1.9 has been that nose badly sticthed back on to show that they could make at least some profit doint things that PLAYERS have been telling them to do for as long as Dust has been around. Respec for Aurum Release the old BPOs Bring back the Package deals Rework matchmaking Look after new players As much as i would like to give the devs credit on coming around to this lately, I cannot. Why give them credit for finnaly doing what is common sense to players who are not running a gaming company. We had to beg for a year for CCP to take our money. Now that they finally are doing exactly what we told them to do to make money they are making sure that it will not be worth it. No dust514 or Legion announcements at fanfest is B.S. Dust is in steady decline as more and more vets become disillusioned about the future plans of dust and legion and there are fewer and fewer newberries to replace them. Fanfest could have been an occasion to right the ship, get her steady and at least prevent more people from leaving. - f .u-fanfest 2014, - throw-some-bones-at-you hotfixes - oh-yeah-pay-me 1.9 all of which i could have forgiven untill -who-cares-about-you fanfest 2015 Sorry if its doom and gloom Bamm, but thats all CCP have given me to work with. Fanfest needed a to be the glimmer of sunshine to tide us over, and we are not even getting that. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1002	Posted - 2014.11.28 13:01:00 - [56] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: PS4 is the only thing that can save this game. Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was. On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on. Totally agree Himiko.....with this new version of Dust and added improvements for PS4 system, I think this game would be revived. couldn't be more wrong. consoles have far too many restrictions for online store games. with PC CCP will be free to do things as and when they like with no one ot answer to but themselves and the players. Also, there are over 500k subs to EVE, not all them have consoles and many wouldn't dream of buying a console. having the oppertunity to download Legion on a machine they're familiar and have a preference too, and that many believe is the 'best' for gaming then Legion is likely to flourish on PC than it would on consoles. I've always been a console gamer all my life but with consoles Sony, MS, Nintendo are quite restrictive about their online markets as well as the security needed for DUST/Legion to connect with EVE, it was one of the reasons reported that MS wouldn't allow it on 360 (same as with the Portal 2 PC to console connections) having both Legion and EVE on the same system with same/similar coding should enable it to succeed and build both playerbase and reputation to then perhaps move over to ps4 and/or XB1 in 3-4yrs time similar to how Planetside 2 is. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 621	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:08:00 - [57] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Just purely speculating here, but if i understand the points you made in your past videos that A) Dust has been written off as a R&D project and B) CCP is being sold, so the company is boosting stats about its assests until it can it can find a suitible buyer. - f .u-fanfest 2014, - throw-some-bones-at-you hotfixes - oh-yeah-pay-me 1.9 -who-cares-about-you fanfest 2015 No, Tess. No need for speculation, this is exactly what I am saying. You sir just have the uncanny ability to break it all down into simpler terms. YOU TUBES BEERCANATER PLUS BACON !
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2357	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:08:00 - [58] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: PS4 is the only thing that can save this game. Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was. On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on. Totally agree Himiko.....with this new version of Dust and added improvements for PS4 system, I think this game would be revived. couldn't be more wrong. consoles have far too many restrictions for online store games. with PC CCP will be free to do things as and when they like with no one ot answer to but themselves and the players. Also, there are over 500k subs to EVE, not all them have consoles and many wouldn't dream of buying a console. having the oppertunity to download Legion on a machine they're familiar and have a preference too, and that many believe is the 'best' for gaming then Legion is likely to flourish on PC than it would on consoles. I've always been a console gamer all my life but with consoles Sony, MS, Nintendo are quite restrictive about their online markets as well as the security needed for DUST/Legion to connect with EVE, it was one of the reasons reported that MS wouldn't allow it on 360 (same as with the Portal 2 PC to console connections) having both Legion and EVE on the same system with same/similar coding should enable it to succeed and build both playerbase and reputation to then perhaps move over to ps4 and/or XB1 in 3-4yrs time similar to how Planetside 2 is. Couldnt be more wrong ? That s arguable. PC may be all freedom and butterflies but the competition is ferocious. Creating a solid player base there will be a real challenge and even if the entire population of EVE was to play it, it wouldnt be enough. On the other hand, consoles have pretty much nothing going on that specific MMOFPS thing. And visibility is guaranteed with mainstreamed stores. On pc, not so much. I just love how the main justification for developping on PC are : - But what about EVE players, they may not want to by a console => Yeah, and so i guess all console players playing DUST 514 just DREEEEEAAAAAM of buying a PC to keep playing. - But, developping on console is soooooooo hard, and sony's network is sooooo tough. => Okay.... Then how come games like destiny, ACU, and such manage to release 3 patches in the course of 2 month ? Damn, that seems very very hard..... And let's not forget Sony put in some efforts to make things easier. As for the planetside 2 example. It actually took 1 year to develop. The first announcement for PS2 being available on release for PS4 was under the assumption that they would simply port the damn thing. Then they decided to use their brain and revamp the game UI\Control wise. (Which they havent finished yet). Also, PS2 even on PC was optimised like ** so optimising for a unified architecture took time. So again, whoah..... Hard and long...... and also, let's compare developping time with end product quality, and let's laugh. And maybe we can say a few words on DCU, or warframe ? Those two games are working. No problem. Hell even blacklight is playable now. At some point, one's got to just stop looking for excuses or justifications and simply admit when there's an obvious lack of competence and gigantic executive management failure in strategic decisions. The simple fact they hired a chinese studio with no experience whatsoever to build dust in the first place should have been a big enough hint to have us all run in the opposite direction. Anyway, that thread was delicious to my eyes. Never thought i could be even more amazed by the overall lack of professionalism\transparency\decency than i already was. Farming your likes since 2012**
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1176	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:53:00 - [59] - Quote Your theories have little to no solid evidence to back them up. You point to CCP taking a multimillion dollar write off on Dust which was in all likely hood related to World of Darkness. Why would you even assume it is related to Dust when this filing was made at the same time they shut down another game and laid off most of the workforce for that game. You quote valuations per player from another game which is not even on the same platform and does not charge players in any where near the same way. You quote financial data that you obviously did not study very well. If you did you would know that unspent AUR is filed as a liability until it has actually been spent on in game items making even the profit ratios reported versus actual cash reserves to be very different. I am all for a good doom story but PLEASE have a little bit of backbone to it. This was a great attempt at being controversial to stir up hits on your blog but the Dust community really is not big enough for this type of activity to benefit you in anyway. All you are doing is spreading more unfounded rumors through out this community that oh so loves to spread rumors.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1003	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:53:00 - [60] - Quote seeing as DUST was released almost 2yrs ago on a console which has "80million units sold" as CCP loved to tell us and without any game of its kind on any other console, tell me how successful dust514 has been when it had the whole market to itself. and its not so much developing for a console its all the redtape that comes with it. Timesplitters Rewind had the same issue that the developers had to wait about a year for aproval from both Crytek to allow them to use the Cryengine on PS4 and then Sony to say wether or not they can put it on the PS4 or not. the same also applies to the Unreal engine. its not simply a case of CCP saying "oh hey we're gonna make Legion for PS4 now" they have to meet criteria from both Epic games to allow usage of Unreal engine on a console and then if they get the green light from Epic games they then have to goto Sony as convince them about moving a game which has failed to impress on the PS3 and sell it on the PS4 PSN. PC however they have the licence for the engine to develop it and to release it they just put the EXE on a website and there you go, they can have LEgion out in a matter of a few months CCP can then work at distancing Legion from DUST514 and the PS3 version, which lets face it hasn't had the most glamourous reveiws in the industry. and begin to establish Legion as an FPSMMO that they originally billed DUST as, once they (hopefully) build up a better reputation and playerbase they can then begin to start approaching Sony and MS again with Legion when DUST has been partially forgotten about as that 'bad' FPSMMO demo on the PS3. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner



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