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BAMM HAVOC
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Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:11:00 -
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IGÇÖd like to point out that weGÇÖre not doing this to pick on CCP Games, or continue the barrage of useless doom-and-gloom, that has infested the forums for so long GÇô WeGÇÖre doing it because weGÇÖre sceptical, and concerned, and scared by the nature of CCPGÇÖs communication (hint: It is still insufficient). We truly want DUST514 do to well, to hold its own, and to evolve into EVE:Legion; some of us are actually even buying PCs just to play EVE:Legion on!
It has been more than 2 years now, and CCP is still just throwing crumpets at us, and expecting us to be well-pleased that we get anything at all. In this age, where other companies are engaging their customers much more frequently and direct, especially in the F2P area, we are getting the odd bit of information, with nothing to support it or any explanations, and weGÇÖre just here to say that CCP Games can and should do better.
WARNING Mind Blow Inbound:
DUST 514 : The Dust Players Count
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Bendtner92
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:22:00 -
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There's a reason they threw a rather meaningless number of unique monthly players at us instead of something more relevant (because such a number wouldn't be great to show off).
Also, that 100k daily players statement was indeed questionable, as as you said, it took 18 days to even sell 100k Dropsuit Command skillbooks following a reset.
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:24:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:There's a reason they threw a rather meaningless number of unique monthly players at us instead of something more relevant (because such a number wouldn't be great to show off).
Also, that 100k daily players statement was indeed questionable, as as you said, it took 18 days to even sell 100k Dropsuit Command skillbooks following a reset.
There is more ...
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Operative 1174 Uuali
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:44:00 -
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BAMM HAVOC wrote:IGÇÖd like to point out that weGÇÖre not doing this to pick on CCP Games, or continue the barrage of useless doom-and-gloom, that has infested the forums for so long GÇô WeGÇÖre doing it because weGÇÖre sceptical, and concerned, and scared by the nature of CCPGÇÖs communication (hint: It is still insufficient). We truly want DUST514 do to well, to hold its own, and to evolve into EVE:Legion; some of us are actually even buying PCs just to play EVE:Legion on! It has been more than 2 years now, and CCP is still just throwing crumpets at us, and expecting us to be well-pleased that we get anything at all. In this age, where other companies are engaging their customers much more frequently and direct, especially in the F2P area, we are getting the odd bit of information, with nothing to support it or any explanations, and weGÇÖre just here to say that CCP Games can and should do better. WARNING Mind Blow Inbound: DUST 514 : The Dust Players Count
They did engage their customers more frequently and directly. We got DUST and then the DUST keynote at fanfest. We got only a part of what was marketed. They are keeping their mouths shut on Legion for good reason.
EVE connection anyone? The biggest feature that DUST was marketed with and largely non-existent.
I'm glad they're keeping their Incarna/DUST mouths shut for once.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:59:00 -
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PS4 is the only thing that can save this game.
Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was.
On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on.
It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:05:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:PS4 is the only thing that can save this game.
Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was.
On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on.
Imagine if they had started work on PS4 last year (or a bit later perhaps) instead of deciding to do Legion. Also considering the lack of (great) games on PS4 at this point.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:10:00 -
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I wish DUST players got the same level of respect from CCP that EVE does. its such a huge contrast between the two games, it feels like a difference of shopping in Harrods (EVE) to shopping in Wal-Mart (DUST514) i'm hoping that once its on PC and the hassle and redtape of developing for a consoles online store is removed the game can actually be freed up and allow to progress. For games liek this Consoles are nothing but a restriction, Microsoft and Sony and even Nintendo really lack a sense of adventure when it comes to independant devs on the online stores and lack a bit of imagination. i know a lot of people think Legion is death of the FPS side of EVE but i think it'll be theonly time we'd actually see more rapid progress without CCP having to run to sony for clearence on a patch. least with EVE and Legion on the same infrastructure it should be a helluva lot more smooth sailing.
one thing though is i think CCP need to limit their development, i think they spread themselves too thin by workign on EVE, then DUST514, then World of Darkness and then Valkyrie, for such a small company 4 games was too much and i often imagine what DUST514 would have turned out like with that extra $20m and extra 56 staff working on it that was wasted with World of Darkness
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:29:00 -
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Why would I play Dust/Legion on a PC?
If I have to buy a PC, I could play Star Citizen instead...
I know it's not the same, but from what I gathered, SC will do a lot of the stuff that was promised Dust/EVE wise back in the days...
Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:56:00 -
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Bamm, I'm a fan of your videos normally but this is just peterwhocares.mp4.
Why care about how CCP spins its numbers to generate whatever BS stats? I enjoyed my year-ish here and spent my share but that's all over now. If CCP wants to fix it, they will fix it and no scathing ~video game journalism~ will matter. If they want it to stay bad, let it be bad and just let go.
The best part of this video is the end where you go 'amorti, morti, *mouth fart noises* say that 10x fast' Keep doing those videos and save your serious business effort for games that aren't abandoned. |
BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 13:05:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:Bamm, I'm a fan of your videos normally but this is just peterwhocares.mp4.
Why care about how CCP spins its numbers to generate whatever BS stats? I enjoyed my year-ish here and spent my share but that's all over now. If CCP wants to fix it, they will fix it and no scathing ~video game journalism~ will matter. If they want it to stay bad, let it be bad and just let go.
The best part of this video is the end where you go 'amorti, morti, *mouth fart noises* say that 10x fast' Keep doing those videos and save your serious business effort for games that aren't abandoned.
Oh don't worry, "BAMM's WAR STORIES" are coming and soon.
Just bare with me here dude, I don't like making these sorts of serious videos, I have to get this information off my chest and stop certain folks spouting nonsense about this game with there bias pro-Dev agendas , these are the facts in black and white. I am telling it how it is.
The beer will flow through these veins soon enough, that I can promise you 
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.11.25 14:56:00 -
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Some crazy stuff. Even after fanfest, It still surprises me that a company would so blatantly lie to their customers.
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.11.25 14:56:00 -
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Some crazy stuff. Even after fanfest, It still surprises me that a company would so blatantly lie to their customers.
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:35:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Some crazy stuff. Even after fanfest, It still surprises me that a company would so blatantly lie to their customers.
little known fact ....
The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP.
This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion ?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:40:00 -
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BAMM HAVOC wrote:The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP. And he was the last UI designer in Shanghai!  
BAMM HAVOC wrote:This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion? Damn good question. Fanfest 2015, if we don't hear anything by then, well, we won't ever.
My advice to you, playa...
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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:57:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:BAMM HAVOC wrote:The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP. And he was the last UI designer in Shanghai! BAMM HAVOC wrote:This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion? Damn good question. Fanfest 2015, if we don't hear anything by then, well, we won't ever.
Legion - Alienware Alpha Steam OS
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-alpha/pd?oc=dkcwa04&model_id=alienware-alpha
EVE+VALKYRIE+LEGION IN ONE BOX
BUGS514 Find all.
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:BAMM HAVOC wrote:The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP. And he was the last UI designer in Shanghai! BAMM HAVOC wrote:This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion? Damn good question. Fanfest 2015, if we don't hear anything by then, well, we won't ever.
he doesn't work there anymore because OBVIOUSLY he finished the ui and legion is prepped for release. Right CCP? We all know how hard you work...
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:BAMM HAVOC wrote:The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP. And he was the last UI designer in Shanghai! BAMM HAVOC wrote:This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion? Damn good question. Fanfest 2015, if we don't hear anything by then, well, we won't ever.
he doesn't work there anymore because OBVIOUSLY he finished the ui and legion is prepped for release. Right CCP? We all know how hard you work...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:59:00 -
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That is not something I would blow $900 on. Why not just buy a PC?
Interesting concept though.
My advice to you, playa...
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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:07:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:That is not something I would blow $900 on. Why not just buy a PC? Interesting concept though.
Fanfest 2014 Alienware logos....and concepct EVE Online - One Ticket // 3 Games
BUGS514 Find all.
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:10:00 -
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Fleen Costell'o wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:BAMM HAVOC wrote:The UI designer for EVE : Legion CCP Peanut, no longer works at CCP. And he was the last UI designer in Shanghai! BAMM HAVOC wrote:This begs the question: What is going on with EVE : Legion? Damn good question. Fanfest 2015, if we don't hear anything by then, well, we won't ever. Legion - Alienware Alpha Steam OS http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-alpha/pd?oc=dkcwa04&model_id=alienware-alphaEVE+VALKYRIE+LEGION IN ONE BOX And buy 100 000 skill books in market Now Of course it supports the xbox controller. Companies need to learn that pathetic people like me who have wasted more than half their life playing playstation for the past almost freaking 20+ years prefer to play with the playstation controller. Come on its not really hard to give us options. Unless there is software for it that lets us use our ps controller. And no im not using a keyboard just so i can get carpal tunnel syndrome.
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SILENT GIANT
FATHERS-AND-SONS
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:36:00 -
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BAMM HAVOC wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:Bamm, I'm a fan of your videos normally but this is just peterwhocares.mp4.
Why care about how CCP spins its numbers to generate whatever BS stats? I enjoyed my year-ish here and spent my share but that's all over now. If CCP wants to fix it, they will fix it and no scathing ~video game journalism~ will matter. If they want it to stay bad, let it be bad and just let go.
The best part of this video is the end where you go 'amorti, morti, *mouth fart noises* say that 10x fast' Keep doing those videos and save your serious business effort for games that aren't abandoned. Oh don't worry, "BAMM's WAR STORIES" are coming and soon. Just bare with me here dude, I don't like making these sorts of serious videos, I have to get this information off my chest and stop certain folks spouting nonsense about this game with there bias pro-Dev agendas , these are the facts in black and white. I am telling it how it is. The beer will flow through these veins soon enough, that I can promise you
Well what are you waiting for! Start chuggin and let it flow
Interesting video, Im curious to skip to the last chapter and see where it all winds up. I stumbled into the EVE/DUST world about 10 yrs too late I guess, and as a newcomer its disheartening to hear that "things aren't going so well". Looking into Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous, CCP has some seriously stiff competition. It makes me a little reserved in deciding to spend money on something that is in all possibilities "circling the drain". If EVE is "dying out" why would I want to make such a risky investment when there are other options that seems to be offering more? Just to help keep the boat afloat?
I'm completely down for that though, because I do like the game. Although, I am starting to understand why so many long time CCP customers are so upset with them now. CCP almost seems like they are some sort of shady investment broker, and take your money and then leave you in the dark so they don't have to tell you how much they screwed up with it. A little transparency would go a long way right about now. Something, anything hinting at projected future goals for the CCP games in question. Article? Screenshots? (pushing my luck) video trailer?, Would do more to draw investors (customers) than apparently CCP realizes.
The thing has me "in awe" sort of speak, is the 10+ yrs of history and lore, and what they have to build upon. The EVE world is so vast and rich in history, I would hate to see it end just as I'm beginning to get interested in it.
Hey thats my luck though. I'd love to see more, but when you look into games like Elite Dangerous, and there's actual joystick flight, space piracy, exploring an actual galaxy. Heck, it seems like how EVE was supposed to be.
Now if only CCP could put up EVE, Legion content showing what we all want/ hope for in these games, I believe CCP could bring something that makes Elite Dangerous look too simple. But they need to hurry up and do it already. They are going to miss their moment and be stuck in the same rut it seems they've been in for years, if they don't give the last of their audience and the few they've drew in recently some kind of content if they expect to go anywhere with the little momentum they've gained recently. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:52:00 -
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If you are going to claim that 300,000 unique account logins per month is more than EVE has, then please tell us how many unique account logins per month EVE gets, and tell use where you got that number.
I am fairly sure that EVE has a lot more than 300,000 unique account logins per month.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:12:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:It is 300,000 unique PSN accounts.
Source?
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:34:00 -
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[quote=Fox Gaden]
as long as it is a least paying its own way, they are not likely to pull the plug on DUST 514.
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Very astute as always Gaden, all will be explained soon, the plug has already been pulled and DUST514 died at the end of ccp's FY of 2013.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:46:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:It is 300,000 unique PSN accounts. Source?
The DEV blog. The meaning of "unique accounts" is very specific. There is not a whole lot of room for misinterpretation.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5065
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:46:00 -
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Translation: my website needs more hits/Youtube vid needs more views so I'm splitting my conspiracy theories into two parts.
My advice to you, playa...
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:49:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:The DEV blog. The meaning of "unique accounts" is very specific. There is not a whole lot of room for misinterpretation.
Devblog wrote:WeGÇÿre very happy to see that our player base remains both stable and active. In fact, we are currently seeing the highest engagement numbers in over a year, averaging around 300.000 Monthly Active (unique) Users over the last few months.
No mention of "accounts" in the devblog. It says "users" which could mean both accounts and characters.
Edit: And when companies publishes numbers like this it's usually just characters unless stated otherwise as that implies a bigger playerbase.
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:51:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:PS4 is the only thing that can save this game.
Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was.
On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on.
so you think that porting to ps4 won't also be time consuming and resource intensive? it has been said by the developers that those are the reasons for which not to port dust to ps4.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:54:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:so you think that porting to ps4 won't also be time consuming and resource intensive? it has been said by the developers that those are the reasons for which not to port dust to ps4.
I don't see how it wouldn't take less time than making a completely new game. Porting to PS4 instead of doing Legion (on PC) likely wouldn't have alienated a good part of the DUST playerbase as well.
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:03:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:PS4 is the only thing that can save this game.
Re-inventing it for Legion is too time consuming and resource intensive. Something CCP has never been good at managing for the long haul. It would take them around 7 years minimum, at the rate they work things out. Hilmar will lay them all off by then, because PS3 Dust will no longer be generating income and they will simply be an unattractive money sink at that point. Just like WoD was.
On the other hand, moving Dust to PS4, the actual existing game that isn't vaporware like WoD and Legion, will continue to generate income and draw in a massive playerbase of PS4 owners who want quite literally anything to play that they can get their hands on. That would give them a launch base to do whatever long term stuff they want to do on PC, as well as a stronger system to try out new things on. so you think that porting to ps4 won't also be time consuming and resource intensive? it has been said by the developers that those are the reasons for which not to port dust to ps4.
The two systems have completely different architectures. The Unreal 3 engine running DUST right now has been heavily modified. This means it will have to be massively overhauled to work on the PS4. That is a HUGE deal (like redesigning/rebuilding your car's engine while it's driving down the road). This is basically what they've been doing for Legion, and what I suspect they've spent 90%+ of their time working on since Fanfest. The difference is that they have a lot more flexibility on the PC, can get a test server going, and don't have to push changes through Sony which slows everything down. Once they can get Legion sorted on the PC, porting to PS4 is not nearly as difficult. As much as I wish it wasn't, Legion on the PC first truly is the right call.
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