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Stevez Wingyip Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:50:00 - [1] - Quote Being placed everywhere around corners and scouts just suicide to use them. They are so frustrating and if someone drops one from above, I can't even hear that it has just been dropped like a grenade. As a heavy, I am struggling very hard to deal with these and they are causing the vast majority of my deaths because they excel in the area where heavies are supposed to excel. Is there anyway as a heavy (with no scanner support cause all my friends left this game) to deal with these? Should they add sound for when they are dropped so we can actually hear them? I would say that accurately about 80% of my deaths this last week have all been to remote explosives, and even with being stupidly careful at looking for them (which gives you a disadvantage against everything else because it will take you a second to bring up the aim again, I still struggle with them . Any suggestions on how to improve this? The guy that used the remove explosives last game went about 52 - 1. -.-
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 72	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:57:00 - [2] - Quote Increase time before detonation. Right now they go off faster than a cooked grenade Yes, I'm trolling. Get over it.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8110	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:06:00 - [3] - Quote In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. Walk slowly when in enemy territory. Keep a careful ear for the RE sound. If it's from behind SPRINT FORWARD. Unless they are using proto, you will be fine. If they try to do this from in front, OPEN FIRE. He can't detonate when dead. Kill him, back up, remove the RE. You hopefully are sticking with teammates if you are a heavy. NEVER be a heavy without good support. You WILL get shotgunned or RE'd in the back. That's one of the great things about this game. If you are a lone wolf and NOT a scout, 9/10 times you will get torn to shreds. Find a squad, play with them, and play smart. Most problems blueberries complain about will go away, I guarantee it. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 72	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:17:00 - [4] - Quote I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8113	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:23:00 - [5] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving. I can buy that at Proto. Those things are crazy. Adv and basic are fine IMO. ADV takes a good second or two to detonate. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Vesperz Algintal Core Gallente Federation 156	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:26:00 - [6] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving. Funny thing is, most of the whole squad bunch up in doorways and clutter around one another so its easy to drop a RE, hear the explosive set and then press the button. Everyone is trying to back up that they cluster into one another and have no place to get clearance. Easy +50's. I can't tell you how many squads I see just running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Hilarious. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:33:00 - [7] - Quote Vesperz wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving. Easy +50's. Exactly my point. Thank you. Remotes are easy mode.
Vesperz Algintal Core Gallente Federation 156	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:35:00 - [8] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Vesperz wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving. Easy +50's. Exactly my point. Thank you. Remotes are easy mode. Easy when the opposing squad or person mis-step or fall back into another member, yup. Smart players are harder to catch off guard. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
ghy6tr4 Ganking Police Division 15	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:38:00 - [9] - Quote I remember you lol I killed you with remote explosives like 4 times in a domination game where the "A" objective was in that basement. You know why remote explosives are used so much? Heavies. That's the only hope a scout or a medium suit have against an armor tanked juggernaut with a proto HMG. You don't like being killed by them but I don't like being killed by 7 heavies standing in front of an objective. I also don't care much for being killed by shotgun scouts...but that's par for the course. But remote explosives are fun....and they do make a sound when they're dropped. That's why its hard to sneak up on snipers with them....well, its not that hard but people who pay attention always move lol Yesterday was a banner day for me...I dropped 3 remote explosives strategically and when all the heavies flooded into the objective where I knew they would be I detonated. I killed 8 of them in ONE shot with F/45 remote explosives. and then spent the rest of the match getting mowed down by heavy spam and cloaked shotgun scouts....what can you do?
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:40:00 - [10] - Quote Vesperz wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Vesperz wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving. Easy +50's. Exactly my point. Thank you. Remotes are easy mode. Easy when the opposing squad or person mis-step or fall back into another member, yup. Smart players are harder to catch off guard. Bumping into other players nothing. Have you ever used an amarr sentinel? They don't move in meters per second like your scout, they move in seconds per meter.

robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:42:00 - [11] - Quote Oh and guess what, I kill plenty of heavies with my min assault / CR so stfu remotes are the only counter to heavies
Vesperz Algintal Core Gallente Federation 156	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:44:00 - [12] - Quote ghy6tr4 wrote: I remember you lol I killed you with remote explosives like 4 times in a domination game where the "A" objective was in that basement. You know why remote explosives are used so much? Heavies. That's the only hope a scout or a medium suit have against an armor tanked juggernaut with a proto HMG. You don't like being killed by them but I don't like being killed by 7 heavies standing in front of an objective. I also don't care much for being killed by shotgun scouts...but that's par for the course. But remote explosives are fun....and they do make a sound when they're dropped. That's why its hard to sneak up on snipers with them....well, its not that hard but people who pay attention always move lol Yesterday was a banner day for me...I dropped 3 remote explosives strategically and when all the heavies flooded into the objective where I knew they would be I detonated. I killed 8 of them in ONE shot with F/45 remote explosives. and then spent the rest of the match getting mowed down by heavy spam and cloaked shotgun scouts....what can you do? A good heavy will not fall for it. They'll hear the remote sound and instantly back up a few paces, shoot the RE or flux it. and sometimes if they're in a long corridor they will ACTIVELY search for remotes on the ground or walls and shoot those. Those heavies are the ones I can say impress me because they're self-aware and are hard as **** to take down. Most times I'll opt out and just go find a different target, one who's not smart and stupid... there are a bunch around LOL. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:45:00 - [13] - Quote Another thing, you guys say run with a squad, when scouts are the biggest lone wolves of them all
Myron Kundera The Generals 107	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:46:00 - [14] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: Being placed everywhere around corners and scouts just suicide to use them. They are so frustrating and if someone drops one from above, I can't even hear that it has just been dropped like a grenade. As a heavy, I am struggling very hard to deal with these and they are causing the vast majority of my deaths because they excel in the area where heavies are supposed to excel. Is there anyway as a heavy (with no scanner support cause all my friends left this game) to deal with these? Should they add sound for when they are dropped so we can actually hear them? I would say that accurately about 80% of my deaths this last week have all been to remote explosives, and even with being stupidly careful at looking for them (which gives you a disadvantage against everything else because it will take you a second to bring up the aim again, I still struggle with them . Any suggestions on how to improve this? The guy that used the remove explosives last game went about 52 - 1. -.- Use them and you will stop hating them. I love making vehicles go boom with them. I don-¦t run Scout so i almost never get infantry kills with them, but i use my rifle to kill those. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:47:00 - [15] - Quote Vesperz wrote: ghy6tr4 wrote: I remember you lol I killed you with remote explosives like 4 times in a domination game where the "A" objective was in that basement. You know why remote explosives are used so much? Heavies. That's the only hope a scout or a medium suit have against an armor tanked juggernaut with a proto HMG. You don't like being killed by them but I don't like being killed by 7 heavies standing in front of an objective. I also don't care much for being killed by shotgun scouts...but that's par for the course. But remote explosives are fun....and they do make a sound when they're dropped. That's why its hard to sneak up on snipers with them....well, its not that hard but people who pay attention always move lol Yesterday was a banner day for me...I dropped 3 remote explosives strategically and when all the heavies flooded into the objective where I knew they would be I detonated. I killed 8 of them in ONE shot with F/45 remote explosives. and then spent the rest of the match getting mowed down by heavy spam and cloaked shotgun scouts....what can you do? A good heavy will not fall for it. They'll hear the remote sound and instantly back up a few paces, shoot the RE or flux it. and sometimes if they're in a long corridor they will ACTIVELY search for remotes on the ground or walls and shoot those. Those heavies are the ones I can say impress me because they're self-aware and are hard as **** to take down. Most times I'll opt out and just go find a different target, one who's not smart and stupid... there are a bunch around LOL. You're not getting it at all. An amarr sentinel can start moving away while it's still in the air and not have enough time to move. But I understand your determination to prove you're right because if they take away your crutch you will simply suck
Vesperz Algintal Core Gallente Federation 156	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:48:00 - [16] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Vesperz wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Vesperz wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: I run with a squad. Every time. Remotes detonate too fast. Bottom line. When a scout chucks one in a doorway a heavy does not have enough time to even think about moving. Easy +50's. Exactly my point. Thank you. Remotes are easy mode. Easy when the opposing squad or person mis-step or fall back into another member, yup. Smart players are harder to catch off guard. Bumping into other players nothing. Have you ever used an amarr sentinel? They don't move in meters per second like your scout, they move in seconds per meter. Yup, I have an alt with proto Amarr Sentinel, I don't die to RE's often. Why? Because I look around before I step. I have that paranoid mindset to look in every corner and above. If I do die to an RE it's because I get greedy for a kill or I'm backing up into other teammates who are staying stationary shooting at the opposing team while I go flying off the ledge due to an explosion. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1653	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:48:00 - [17] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. tossing remotes 15meter away with sprint jump on a cloak plus damped scout is hard to use, especially when sounds originating from behind someone are not played... oh wait... it is totally the opposite of hard
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:49:00 - [18] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: Stevez Wingyip wrote: Being placed everywhere around corners and scouts just suicide to use them. They are so frustrating and if someone drops one from above, I can't even hear that it has just been dropped like a grenade. As a heavy, I am struggling very hard to deal with these and they are causing the vast majority of my deaths because they excel in the area where heavies are supposed to excel. Is there anyway as a heavy (with no scanner support cause all my friends left this game) to deal with these? Should they add sound for when they are dropped so we can actually hear them? I would say that accurately about 80% of my deaths this last week have all been to remote explosives, and even with being stupidly careful at looking for them (which gives you a disadvantage against everything else because it will take you a second to bring up the aim again, I still struggle with them . Any suggestions on how to improve this? The guy that used the remove explosives last game went about 52 - 1. -.- Use them and you will stop hating them. I love making vehicles go boom with them. I don-¦t run Scout so i almost never get infantry kills with them, but i use my rifle to kill those. An excellent example of what they are meant for. I commend you on using remotes properly
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8117	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:49:00 - [19] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Another thing, you guys say run with a squad, when scouts are the biggest lone wolves of them all Yeah, scouts can get away with it. They have dampening and speed. If YOU run as a lone wolf, you WILL get shotgunned in the back. Run damps, or run with a group. Lone heavies are asking to get shotgunned or Knifed. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 74	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:52:00 - [20] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Another thing, you guys say run with a squad, when scouts are the biggest lone wolves of them all Yeah, scouts can get away with it. They have dampening and speed. If YOU run as a lone wolf, you WILL get shotgunned in the back. Run damps, or run with a group. Lone heavies are asking to get shotgunned or Knifed. Well no s#!t sherlock but that's not the point here

ghy6tr4 Ganking Police Division 16	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:54:00 - [21] - Quote Vesperz wrote: ghy6tr4 wrote: I remember you lol I killed you with remote explosives like 4 times in a domination game where the "A" objective was in that basement. You know why remote explosives are used so much? Heavies. That's the only hope a scout or a medium suit have against an armor tanked juggernaut with a proto HMG. You don't like being killed by them but I don't like being killed by 7 heavies standing in front of an objective. I also don't care much for being killed by shotgun scouts...but that's par for the course. But remote explosives are fun....and they do make a sound when they're dropped. That's why its hard to sneak up on snipers with them....well, its not that hard but people who pay attention always move lol Yesterday was a banner day for me...I dropped 3 remote explosives strategically and when all the heavies flooded into the objective where I knew they would be I detonated. I killed 8 of them in ONE shot with F/45 remote explosives. and then spent the rest of the match getting mowed down by heavy spam and cloaked shotgun scouts....what can you do? A good heavy will not fall for it. They'll hear the remote sound and instantly back up a few paces, shoot the RE or flux it. and sometimes if they're in a long corridor they will ACTIVELY search for remotes on the ground or walls and shoot those. Those heavies are the ones I can say impress me because they're self-aware and are hard as **** to take down. Most times I'll opt out and just go find a different target, one who's not smart and stupid... there are a bunch around LOL. I love it when the heavies shoot the remote explosives lol because scouts and the rare instances of medium logi suits are ALWAYS running around like chicken's with their heads cut off and when the heavy shoots the RE, it blows up his teammates, which is HILARIOUS. You should see players Chances Ghost and Michael Epic use them though...I talked about them recently in another thread but they are masters. I saw Michael Epic in a game throwing them through a window and I saw the kill feed rain with kills he made. I tried to do it too but couldn't figure out how he did it lol
Vesperz Algintal Core Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. tossing remotes 15meter away with sprint jump on a cloaked plus damped scout is hard to use, especially when some sounds originating from behind someone are not played... oh wait... it is totally the opposite of hard The exaggeration in this post. Ouch. I also use RE's on my assault, with the same results, people are just dumb. "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8121	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:00:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. tossing remotes 15meter away with sprint jump on a cloaked plus damped scout is hard to use, especially when sounds originating from behind someone are not played... oh wait... it is totally the opposite of hard So much wrong. At least logic wise. Lets suppose scout #1 runs around at 9.35m/s. Min scout with 1 kincat. He wants to throw an RE at heavy. He starts sprinting in cloak. Oh wait, can't deploy RE while cloaked. Starts decloak. Finishes 2 seconds later. Jumps to throw RE. At 9.35 m/s he will take 1.6s to cover 15m. RE is thown halfway throught jump. RE takes 1.5 seconds to arm. Lets say he manages to detonate after 1.8s (He's slow by 0.3s) Time between start of manuever and detonation: 2+0.8+1.5 = 4.3 seconds spent decloaked and moving AND YOU STILL CAN'T SEE IT COMING Granted, numbers are rough estimates, and there could be some optimization in there. But the main point is that RE's are deadly to you if you NOTICE them too late. Stay on your feet twinkle toes, and most problems will disappear. This is what I mean, in PC Re's only work against people who are staying too long in one spot and not paying attention. Trying to RE throw in other areas only gets a kill about 1/4 the time, since they can normally HMG you to death or stop you from getting close enough to land it in a good spot. I've said it before. Almost every time I've been killed by an RE, I'VE DESERVED IT. The ONLY Exception to this is tossing RE's from high ground. THAT is the thing that needs to get nerfed (And the Proto RE arm time), as they can be thrown from amazingly long distance and be ready to pop the moment they hit the ground. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2053	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:16:00 - [24] - Quote They should increase the RE timer to 5 seconds. They should make a noise as well, like grenades do. At present they are stealthy, OHKing grenades, which is surely not how they are meant to be. If you did this to REs and did nothing else, heavies would run rampant, especially once the passive scan direction indicator is removed. So heavies need to be nerfed as well. Either HMG damage or HP needs to go down 20% (or both down 10%). They can be death machines OR virtually indestructible, but not both.
Taskanoss Imperial Instinct 18	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:25:00 - [25] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. Walk slowly when in enemy territory. Keep a careful ear for the RE sound. If it's from behind SPRINT FORWARD. Unless they are using proto, you will be fine. If they try to do this from in front, OPEN FIRE. He can't detonate when dead. Kill him, back up, remove the RE. You hopefully are sticking with teammates if you are a heavy. NEVER be a heavy without good support. You WILL get shotgunned or RE'd in the back. That's one of the great things about this game. If you are a lone wolf and NOT a scout, 9/10 times you will get torn to shreds. Find a squad, play with them, and play smart. Most problems blueberries complain about will go away, I guarantee it. What you didn't mention is how many people quit this game, due to frustration, and RE's do play a part of that. Remember your first days of Dust, and rethink what you wrote here. I got your back Bro Beans!
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 845	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:27:00 - [26] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Vesperz wrote: ghy6tr4 wrote: I remember you lol I killed you with remote explosives like 4 times in a domination game where the "A" objective was in that basement. You know why remote explosives are used so much? Heavies. That's the only hope a scout or a medium suit have against an armor tanked juggernaut with a proto HMG. You don't like being killed by them but I don't like being killed by 7 heavies standing in front of an objective. I also don't care much for being killed by shotgun scouts...but that's par for the course. But remote explosives are fun....and they do make a sound when they're dropped. That's why its hard to sneak up on snipers with them....well, its not that hard but people who pay attention always move lol Yesterday was a banner day for me...I dropped 3 remote explosives strategically and when all the heavies flooded into the objective where I knew they would be I detonated. I killed 8 of them in ONE shot with F/45 remote explosives. and then spent the rest of the match getting mowed down by heavy spam and cloaked shotgun scouts....what can you do? A good heavy will not fall for it. They'll hear the remote sound and instantly back up a few paces, shoot the RE or flux it. and sometimes if they're in a long corridor they will ACTIVELY search for remotes on the ground or walls and shoot those. Those heavies are the ones I can say impress me because they're self-aware and are hard as **** to take down. Most times I'll opt out and just go find a different target, one who's not smart and stupid... there are a bunch around LOL. You're not getting it at all. An amarr sentinel can start moving away while it's still in the air and not have enough time to move. But I understand your determination to prove you're right because if they take away your crutch you will simply suck You think RE's are a crutch? Is my rifle a crutch too? Are grenades a crutch? Nanohives? You are a sheep who hears others use the words "scrub" and "crutch" and "tryhard" and then throws them around with little to no thought because you have no real ideas of your own. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
cronopio feju corporacion alfa 23	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:34:00 - [27] - Quote Not trying to be rude, but: Do you want to change an aspect of the game just because it's not according to your style of play? Yes, I also suffer from RE, but then, why do you insist on dying in the same way? I mean if you go heavy and get killed by a remote, and you go back to heavy again and does get killed ... it is fault of the game? In my point of view, in this game you have to adapt, change strategies, and develop attacks based on what the enemy is using, if they use heavys, you shloud switch to scout and kill them with remote or knives, if you can't against them, don't go alone; don't see RE? change to scanner and use flux, this game, as I understand it is that. Todos aclamen al Rey Carmesí Click para obtener un arma gratis
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 78	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:50:00 - [28] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Vesperz wrote: ghy6tr4 wrote: I remember you lol I killed you with remote explosives like 4 times in a domination game where the "A" objective was in that basement. You know why remote explosives are used so much? Heavies. That's the only hope a scout or a medium suit have against an armor tanked juggernaut with a proto HMG. You don't like being killed by them but I don't like being killed by 7 heavies standing in front of an objective. I also don't care much for being killed by shotgun scouts...but that's par for the course. But remote explosives are fun....and they do make a sound when they're dropped. That's why its hard to sneak up on snipers with them....well, its not that hard but people who pay attention always move lol Yesterday was a banner day for me...I dropped 3 remote explosives strategically and when all the heavies flooded into the objective where I knew they would be I detonated. I killed 8 of them in ONE shot with F/45 remote explosives. and then spent the rest of the match getting mowed down by heavy spam and cloaked shotgun scouts....what can you do? A good heavy will not fall for it. They'll hear the remote sound and instantly back up a few paces, shoot the RE or flux it. and sometimes if they're in a long corridor they will ACTIVELY search for remotes on the ground or walls and shoot those. Those heavies are the ones I can say impress me because they're self-aware and are hard as **** to take down. Most times I'll opt out and just go find a different target, one who's not smart and stupid... there are a bunch around LOL. You're not getting it at all. An amarr sentinel can start moving away while it's still in the air and not have enough time to move. But I understand your determination to prove you're right because if they take away your crutch you will simply suck You think RE's are a crutch? Is my rifle a crutch too? Are grenades a crutch? Nanohives? You are a sheep who hears others use the words "scrub" and "crutch" and "tryhard" and then throws them around with little to no thought because you have no real ideas of your own. Ohhh... I really struck a nerve didn't I? Look at you get all upset. Let me give you a QQ. Oh wait I'm being a simple sheep again. And who said anything about rifles, nanohives and grenades? You are obviously confused and insist on defending, and I'm going to be a sheep again, defending your scrub tactics. Re's are ruining the game for everyone. They need to be toned down just like anything else that is op. Wait, does saying op make me a sheep too? Damn, I didn't invent any of the words in this conversation. Neither did you. Guess we're all sheep....
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 78	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:53:00 - [29] - Quote And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem.
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 93	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:08:00 - [30] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. the RE HAVE BEEN NERFED A LOT at one time you could blow your RE in bleeding screen, the damage was 1500 on all re and boundless had 7.5 meters range. you can no longer sprint and throw the RE. remember there is about a 1/2 second delay between what you see and what has had happened. I throw a RE then wait 1.5 seconds for it to arm what you see is me throw it and wait .75-1.25 second for it. BTW this is not COD or battlefield look at the size of the RE that size. heavies can live though it. I have an heavy alt same as Vesperz. rarely do I get RE why because I listen and watch for them. see a scout run off around a corncer don't chase him there is normally a RE waiting a rule for all heavies DONT GET GREEDY FOR THE KILL. ps the re have a noise just listen for it

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2530	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:10:00 - [31] - Quote I had forgot about charging known heavy hangouts with remote explosives. Thanks for reminding me! I will make sure to send you heavies some packages the next time I see a lot of you friendly people waiting around for your package. "+50 delivery." "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Magewarlord Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:17:00 - [32] - Quote simple fix: no more restocking (like all other equipment). you get your 2 or 3 REs per life and that's it. this is why PC is currently problematic. Most players don't care about using cheap tactics as long as they get to feel good getting kills. cheap tactics=easy mode. Don't know about you, but I'm too much a man for measures such as this. though there's lots of young and old kids out there...
ghy6tr4 Ganking Police Division 22	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:19:00 - [33] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I had forgot about charging known heavy hangouts with remote explosives. Thanks for reminding me! I will make sure to send you heavies some packages the next time I see a lot of you friendly people waiting around for your package. "+50 delivery." PM Michael Epic in game...I did and ran a squad with him and he showed me all kinds of cool ass remote explosive tricks. I feel like I'm this guys fan club haha but when we're talking about RE's he's one of the ones I always see on the kill feed with remote explosives
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:20:00 - [34] - Quote We sentinels actually are supposed to have "Splash damage resistance" which are the only damage type remotes do. CCP how ever, has not let us actually have the skill though we are skilled into it. So take some action and file that support ticket, maybe they'll fix it and we won't have to worry about it anymore, we'll be able to live through that one remote long enough to choke a scout out ;3 G.L.O.R.Y solider, Heavy, Assault, Logi... I got what you need yo ;D
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 845	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:28:00 - [35] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 38	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:32:00 - [36] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. Walk slowly when in enemy territory. Keep a careful ear for the RE sound. If it's from behind SPRINT FORWARD. Unless they are using proto, you will be fine. If they try to do this from in front, OPEN FIRE. He can't detonate when dead. Kill him, back up, remove the RE. You hopefully are sticking with teammates if you are a heavy. NEVER be a heavy without good support. You WILL get shotgunned or RE'd in the back. That's one of the great things about this game. If you are a lone wolf and NOT a scout, 9/10 times you will get torn to shreds. Find a squad, play with them, and play smart. Most problems blueberries complain about will go away, I guarantee it. This is a load of horse crap. A shield stacked scout can run around well enough spamming RE's close enough at your feet that you only get 2 options - run or kill. And killing doesn't guarantee that RE won't go off, so you're best bet is get out of the RE's way that IS GOING TO DENOTE IN 3 SECONDS. That's how long a nade should take, as it's intended purpose unarguably is anti-infantry and is a tool to use during combat. RE's are not anti-infantry, they're specialist tools, used to give a tactical edge in ambushes or punching a hole in hard armor. It is not a direct combat tool, it's a support. But the current function of RE's is it's better to use then a Core Locus. The entire problem is as others say - it goes off much too quickly. The real answer is a placing animation so they can't be tossed around like a nade, but since we all know CCP is incapable of that, the next best solution is increase detonation timer. Make it so you do NOT throw that RE while IN COMBAT and expecting it to go off seconds later like a nade - that's insane. And the only people who support are the ones spamming it or are among those spamming it. And FA spams RE's like CRAZY. o.0
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 49	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:32:00 - [37] - Quote There should be a piece of equipment that like in RL spams the remotes spectrum and the explosive goes boom!-use RE's at one's own risk. RE's are fuktarded, and thier tossers are as well. tossing C4, hahaha ! satchel charges have an acid trigger it's reasonably safe..lol
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 93	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:33:00 - [38] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. well said +1
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 78	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:37:00 - [39] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. Ok, I admit that i did make it sound like I have a problem with scouts. I don't. I said scouts because that's typically who is using them. Otherwise I have no problems with scouts. As far as what suits I run, I have: Full proto min logi Full proto min assault Full proto min commando Full proto min sentinel Full proto amarr sentinel Soon to be full proto min scout I'm not new to the game, I'm not against scouts, I always run with a squad and I'm sick of Damn remotes. We regularly clear rooms packed with heavies without dropping a single remote.
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 93	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:42:00 - [40] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: We sentinels actually are supposed to have "Splash damage resistance" which are the only damage type remotes do. CCP how ever, has not let us actually have the skill though we are skilled into it. So take some action and file that support ticket, maybe they'll fix it and we won't have to worry about it anymore, we'll be able to live through that one remote long enough to choke a scout out ;3 LOL on my heavy I live though REs and I know Vesperz has as well. btw think re does do 20% to armor since it is in that category.

bane sieg Damaged Beyond Repair 12	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:42:00 - [41] - Quote And before someone gets all technical, robin williams ghost and I are the same person, and said suits I run are on this account as robin williams has barely 5 mil lifetime sp CEO Damaged Beyond Repair
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 93	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:44:00 - [42] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. Ok, I admit that i did make it sound like I have a problem with scouts. I don't. I said scouts because that's typically who is using them. Otherwise I have no problems with scouts. As far as what suits I run, I have: Full proto min logi Full proto min assault Full proto min commando Full proto min sentinel Full proto amarr sentinel Soon to be full proto min scout I'm not new to the game, I'm not against scouts, I always run with a squad and I'm sick of Damn remotes. We regularly clear rooms packed with heavies without dropping a single remote. good for you but not everyone haves a squad to be with. so how to clear a room solo.... RE is the great answer.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14893	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:50:00 - [43] - Quote Lol.....when infantry thinks they are having a tough time because of RE....... Imagine if those RE were strapped to the front of a ballistic missiles slightly more intelligent than a raccoon moving at 100kmph....... "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
Feldt-Grace Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company 29	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:55:00 - [44] - Quote For 1 Remote kill = 7 deaths ^^ TRANS-AM! Gundam, DUST and more Gameplays
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 38	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:57:00 - [45] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. Ok, I admit that i did make it sound like I have a problem with scouts. I don't. I said scouts because that's typically who is using them. Otherwise I have no problems with scouts. As far as what suits I run, I have: Full proto min logi Full proto min assault Full proto min commando Full proto min sentinel Full proto amarr sentinel Soon to be full proto min scout I'm not new to the game, I'm not against scouts, I always run with a squad and I'm sick of Damn remotes. We regularly clear rooms packed with heavies without dropping a single remote. good for you but not everyone haves a squad to be with. so how to clear a room solo.... RE is the great answer. The real answer is grenades, but RE's are abusable so it's the best answer instead.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 39	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:02:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lol.....when infantry thinks they are having a tough time because of RE....... Imagine if those RE were strapped to the front of a ballistic missiles slightly more intelligent than a raccoon moving at 100kmph....... PSH ~ We talking about future technology here! And in the future bullets are infused with magic so they disappear after certain distances, the floor will vanish throwing you into a bottomless pit of death, and remotes counter both tanks and infantry!
bane sieg Damaged Beyond Repair 13	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:11:00 - [47] - Quote Of course if this was more realistic an orbital strike would turn said bunker full of heavies into a pile of rubble with no re's required. CEO Damaged Beyond Repair
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 39	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:12:00 - [48] - Quote bane sieg wrote: Of course if this was more realistic an orbital strike would turn said bunker full of heavies into a pile of rubble with no re's required. This really should be put into the game, hiding from OB's is dumb, what's the advantage of having one of people can just hide from 'em? They're 5000 WP now - they should be a bit more effective, and eliminating the walls for the OB's AoE would probably fix PC up a lot, as OB's both make and break games.
DDx77 The Exemplars Top Men. 31	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:28:00 - [49] - Quote Nothing more satisfying than killing a heavy with a RE How about we nerf your hmg instead? Give you a spool up time? Make you immobile while firing?
bane sieg Damaged Beyond Repair 14	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:30:00 - [50] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. Ok, I admit that i did make it sound like I have a problem with scouts. I don't. I said scouts because that's typically who is using them. Otherwise I have no problems with scouts. As far as what suits I run, I have: Full proto min logi Full proto min assault Full proto min commando Full proto min sentinel Full proto amarr sentinel Soon to be full proto min scout I'm not new to the game, I'm not against scouts, I always run with a squad and I'm sick of Damn remotes. We regularly clear rooms packed with heavies without dropping a single remote. good for you but not everyone haves a squad to be with. so how to clear a room solo.... RE is the great answer. Wrong, anyone can find a good squad to run with, you just choose not to. There are plenty of great corps out there who are always recruiting. CEO Damaged Beyond Repair

Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 40	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:31:00 - [51] - Quote DDx77 wrote: Nothing more satisfying than killing a heavy with a RE How about we nerf your hmg instead? Give you a spool up time? Make you immobile while firing? or have our heat build increased? Oh wait~
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 93	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:39:00 - [52] - Quote bane sieg wrote: jace silencerww wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. Ok, I admit that i did make it sound like I have a problem with scouts. I don't. I said scouts because that's typically who is using them. Otherwise I have no problems with scouts. As far as what suits I run, I have: Full proto min logi Full proto min assault Full proto min commando Full proto min sentinel Full proto amarr sentinel Soon to be full proto min scout I'm not new to the game, I'm not against scouts, I always run with a squad and I'm sick of Damn remotes. We regularly clear rooms packed with heavies without dropping a single remote. good for you but not everyone haves a squad to be with. so how to clear a room solo.... RE is the great answer. Wrong, anyone can find a good squad to run with, you just choose not to. There are plenty of great corps out there who are always recruiting. nope I hate your Great corp besides I have one lol but like soloing too
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8128	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:23:00 - [53] - Quote Taskanoss wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: In all honesty, Remotes are hard to use if the enemy PAYS ATTENTION. Walk slowly when in enemy territory. Keep a careful ear for the RE sound. If it's from behind SPRINT FORWARD. Unless they are using proto, you will be fine. If they try to do this from in front, OPEN FIRE. He can't detonate when dead. Kill him, back up, remove the RE. You hopefully are sticking with teammates if you are a heavy. NEVER be a heavy without good support. You WILL get shotgunned or RE'd in the back. That's one of the great things about this game. If you are a lone wolf and NOT a scout, 9/10 times you will get torn to shreds. Find a squad, play with them, and play smart. Most problems blueberries complain about will go away, I guarantee it. What you didn't mention is how many people quit this game, due to frustration, and RE's do play a part of that. Remember your first days of Dust, and rethink what you wrote here. I came into this game as a Minmatar scout in the high hay days of Cal Logis and Tac AR's. You think RE'S ARE BAD? This game isn't for the weak willed. Literally ALL of my friends that came into this game with me quit, because they refused to adapt and play smart. They all went to go play GTAV instead. As they say in EVE, HTFU man. Nobody is going to baby you here. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1310	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:24:00 - [54] - Quote Deal with it. Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1246	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:31:00 - [55] - Quote XD to see they still make tears flow TLDR : No
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6535	Posted - 2014.11.21 23:06:00 - [56] - Quote Unless they've been changed in the two weeks I've been gone the REs do in fact have a relatively noticeable sound, they are also quite visible for those who know how to look for them. (may as well be neon pink for me....) That being said the RE is a counter for tanked heavies, similar to mass drivers being a counter to Minja, you've simply run into your weakness. If you're having problems with that particular counter it may be because you've simply not the means to oppose it? I'm a Minmatar user myself, tend to not have too much EHP, but I'm fast enough to do much flanking and ambushing. Going head to head, not so much. shrug There's a counter to everything, you just need to utilise it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 424	Posted - 2014.11.21 23:50:00 - [57] - Quote Love or hate REs, everyone in this thread DOES have to admit, REs Can be thrown pretty far laterally as well as vertically (mostly by scouts due to movement speed translating to throw distance but not exclusively to scouts) SOMETIMES make a sound (and sometimes don't) Can, in SOME cases, detonate before a heavy has time to get out of radius even if he starts reacting as it is getting thrown Are hilarious and fun if you are not on the receiving end So, you know, cut the hyperbole.
Mad Kras Made in Poland... E-R-A 32	Posted - 2014.11.22 00:09:00 - [58] - Quote Ever thought about watching your steps? You know the REs aren't that hard to see and they have that freaking orange light. I always put my glasses on when I play Dust, situational awareness is really important on the battlefield, come on bro! don't be just another mindless heavy. *glitches are for btches**
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 1121	Posted - 2014.11.22 00:27:00 - [59] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: And listen. I hate nerfing. I really do. I have no other complaints in this game beyond re's and the stupid people that defend them to the death. I have no problems with a strategically placed re waiting for someone to come along and go boom. I have no problem with re's blowing up vehicles but when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground, then I have a problem. Any suit with an equipment slot can use RE's. As you put it, "when a scout can toss an re down from above and have it detonate as soon as it hits the ground..." I just realized it's scouts you have issues with. You are just choosing to complain about Re's when it's really scouts, isn't it? What kind of suit do you play in, Robin William's Ghost? I am curious. Tell the good folks on this thread what suit you use most often. Ok, I admit that i did make it sound like I have a problem with scouts. I don't. I said scouts because that's typically who is using them. Otherwise I have no problems with scouts. As far as what suits I run, I have: Full proto min logi Full proto min assault Full proto min commando Full proto min sentinel Full proto amarr sentinel Soon to be full proto min scout I'm not new to the game, I'm not against scouts, I always run with a squad and I'm sick of Damn remotes. We regularly clear rooms packed with heavies without dropping a single remote. Pro tip - In Dust, we know if you're lying. Mathematically thats impossible, with the SP required. If you're an alt, and can prove it, I'll think otherwise. You do make a valid point however, Scouts and REs go together as commonly as Thales and the Redline. As someone who regularly runs Assaults, Heavies are a pain in the arse to kill. I either have to rely on them being idiots, another Heavy on my side, or an RE/Knifer/Shotty Scout. On my Scout alt, I hate heavies so counter with the REs/Knives/Shotty. On my Heavy (not maxed) on this char I hate scouts so counter by using my eyes, not rolling with a massive group of heavies and logis, and avoiding bottlenecks. Everything has a counter - albeit challenging. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P2. Snarcasm > Sarcasm Excessively British.
loumanchew Ametat Security Amarr Empire 184	Posted - 2014.11.22 00:44:00 - [60] - Quote Kinda makes me laugh to see heavies complain at the one thing that kills them in 2 seconds... What do you think happens when a scout stands in front of you and you press the Iwin button? It's a counter, deal with it.



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