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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1432	Posted - 2014.11.19 13:21:00 - [1] - Quote It's a shame when people make post calling out other players and calling them bad when and while making a statement about the current condition of the game and the players , all the while running q-synced squads or mixed friendly squads of proto players in pub matches . Why do you allow this CCP ??? FW and PC should be the arena's for this conduct and pub matches should be strictly random players . Bring back the war barge and allow enough time for random players to create squads in pub matches , not allow already pre-fab squads to sync into a pub match and wreak a bunch of random players and then beat their chests like they accomplished something to be proud of . We know that just because your not in the same corp doesn't mean that you don't play together , so stop trying to squad up and then stomp a random pub match like your really good at this game . I see this on a daily because pubs are all I play and this is what happens . Two q-synced or a couple of squads full of random prototype players who play with each other on a regular but mask that fact by their appearance of being in different corporations but their familiar with each other because they squad play together , against a bunch of random players . Random players loose badly . Do you people who do this feel like your really good at this game when you have to use one another as and for a crutch against a bunch of random players ??? No one fights to get this fixed or even suggests it , they would rather place meta restrictions on pub matches when the meta is not the problem , it's the allowing of this self-serving tactic to still exist that kills the pub experience and the new players who play pub matches . I guess I'm the ONLY one who notices this happening or who really cares . I don't blame matchmaking because the computer is only programmed to do what it's programmed to do and CCP is the blame for this because they don't have the balls to fix this or even acknowledge the problem . Bring back the war barge , make pubs strictly random players , allow enough time for said random players to form squads in said pub matches , not already have ready made stomp squads that run and ruin pub matches for hours on end . Strictly random players and newer players wouldn't feel out of place and so useless , they would know what to expect and or do in a squad environment , they wouldn't feel so intimidated to join a corporation because they would be confident from past experience , it would cut the frequency of AFKing because you wouldn't have one sided matches and stomp fests , it would actually give new players a chance to get use to the environment after they graduate and maybe .... just maybe , this would increase the numbers so that I don't have to play these same douches every fracking game , match after match like they are the ONLY people playing at the time . How do you people feel good about yourselves knowing this and conducting this type of activity when you do these things and manipulate the system like you do ???? No wonder no one new wants to play this game or stay long enough to enjoy the environment . Can't place all the blame on you people though because CCP condones this . Money grabbing like some have said but you do things to limit the possibilities of make more revenue by your broken mechanics . I guess draining the same people over and over works for you but how long will that work ? I don't think your money grabbing CCP because if you knew how to do that right , I would see more fresh faces but that just won't happen because you just don't know what to do or at least you try to act that way . Some of us know better . Fix pub matches and stop this crap from happening . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1432	Posted - 2014.11.19 13:24:00 - [2] - Quote P.S. your not playing " SOLO " if your in a squad with buddies and you just decided to go run off and do your own thing . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5925	Posted - 2014.11.19 13:24:00 - [3] - Quote n.n The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1432	Posted - 2014.11.19 13:26:00 - [4] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: It's a shame when people make post calling out other players and calling them bad when and while making a statement about the current condition of the game and the players , all the while running q-synced squads or mixed friendly squads of proto players in pub matches . Why do you allow this CCP ??? FW and PC should be the arena's for this conduct and pub matches should be strictly random players . Bring back the war barge and allow enough time for random players to create squads in pub matches , not allow already pre-fab squads to sync into a pub match and wreak a bunch of random players and then beat their chests like they accomplished something to be proud of . We know that just because your not in the same corp doesn't mean that you don't play together , so stop trying to squad up and then stomp a random pub match like your really good at this game . I see this on a daily because pubs are all I play and this is what happens . Two q-synced or a couple of squads full of random prototype players who play with each other on a regular but mask that fact by their appearance of being in different corporations but their familiar with each other because they squad play together , against a bunch of random players . Random players loose badly . Do you people who do this feel like your really good at this game when you have to use one another as and for a crutch against a bunch of random players ??? No one fights to get this fixed or even suggests it , they would rather place meta restrictions on pub matches when the meta is not the problem , it's the allowing of this self-serving tactic to still exist that kills the pub experience and the new players who play pub matches . I guess I'm the ONLY one who notices this happening or who really cares . I don't blame matchmaking because the computer is only programmed to do what it's programmed to do and CCP is the blame for this because they don't have the balls to fix this or even acknowledge the problem . Bring back the war barge , make pubs strictly random players , allow enough time for said random players to form squads in said pub matches , not already have ready made stomp squads that run and ruin pub matches for hours on end . Strictly random players and newer players wouldn't feel out of place and so useless , they would know what to expect and or do in a squad environment , they wouldn't feel so intimidated to join a corporation because they would be confident from past experience , it would cut the frequency of AFKing because you wouldn't have one sided matches and stomp fests , it would actually give new players a chance to get use to the environment after they graduate and maybe .... just maybe , this would increase the numbers so that I don't have to play these same douches every fracking game , match after match like they are the ONLY people playing at the time . How do you people feel good about yourselves knowing this and conducting this type of activity when you do these things and manipulate the system like you do ???? No wonder no one new wants to play this game or stay long enough to enjoy the environment . Can't place all the blame on you people though because CCP condones this . Money grabbing like some have said but you do things to limit the possibilities of make more revenue by your broken mechanics . I guess draining the same people over and over works for you but how long will that work ? I don't think your money grabbing CCP because if you knew how to do that right , I would see more fresh faces but that just won't happen because you just don't know what to do or at least you try to act that way . Some of us know better . Fix pub matches and stop this crap from happening . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3239	Posted - 2014.11.19 13:45:00 - [5] - Quote MU works for single players, squad multiplier isn't high enough. The incredibly rare random vs random matches are always fun to play.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 981	Posted - 2014.11.19 15:02:00 - [6] - Quote wall of poorly construed text crits you for > 9000 damage. you die from over kill You had some good points in there, but whining about people murder facing pubs we ve all seen, goes no where. Also leave checkmate alone, hes lolfit all the time. Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1432	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:03:00 - [7] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: wall of poorly construed text crits you for > 9000 damage. you die from over kill You had some good points in there, but whining about people murder facing pubs we ve all seen, goes no where. Also leave checkmate alone, hes lolfit all the time. My comments weren't fashioned at Checkmate , I could care less what others do in-game but my concerns are about the games health and make-up in general . If he took that as a poke then I'm misunderstood and I ask him to forgive me but that's his preference . I'm talking about why this games numbers DO NOT GROW and how mechanics are mismanaged or flaws are left unattended in order of placing more content in a game that has so many things wrong that need to be addressed FIRST AND FORMOST . I care about the health of this game and would love for more people to play and feel welcomed , I would love to see new faces and TRULY NEW not ALT's . There are multiple posts like the one that was written by Checkmate so my gripe wouldn't be specifically directed towards him and that really won't be fair to tell you the truth to just single him out . I don't have a problem with him . I do have a problem with mismanagement and the fact that the numbers of this game is stagnant for a system that has millions of it's units sold with multiple years on the market and very few people involved in this games community . That's my problem and something that I just don't understand . Fix the glitches , running and getting stuck on terrain , broken mechanics in-game if it's weapons ... suits ... bonuses to roles , headshot multipliers , designed maps or game modes , these things should be first on the list instead of new content added to a fragile and unstable make up of the mechanics in this game . Things would run so much more smoothly if these things were addressed and some emphasis were placed on these issues over ways to make money or add new content . I for one , don't like to introduce people to this game and then have them to tell me what's wrong with it and those thoughts are a reflection of how I feel or what I know to be issues , sometimes I want to be wrong , not that I'm always right ... far from it but to not have any influence on a persons opinion and to have them state issues that I know are REAL problems says a lot . Many people that I have spoken about Dust to eventually wonder why I still play this game which they look at as a failure but I see it as that's something that they just don't understand but I could also chalk that up to issues that are not looked at as important to the developers and that's why they go unattended but they are killing the potential of this game as a whole . It's just no excuse why this is constant . Didn't mean to take a jab at Checkmate . Wasn't my intention . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1432	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: You had some good points in there, but whining about people murder facing pubs we ve all seen, goes no where. This is another issue , I just don't think that I'm whining if this was brought up my multiple people on multiple occasions , I would look at that as something that SOMEONE ELSE is pointing out as an issue with this game and what could be done to make this not an issue anymore . If it goes nowhere that says more about the people in charge then the one's pointing it out . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8078	Posted - 2014.11.19 16:49:00 - [9] - Quote Listen, extending warbarge times will NOT result in randoms going "LOLHey, lets make a squad" If you want to make squads we have SQUADFINDER. Gear restrictions should never happen as well. I like to think of ADV gear as the mainstay gear. Basic gear is budget gear, and Proto is what you pull when you NEED to do something (Like take an objective). Blues need a lot more help than what you are suggesting, but none of your ideas will fix it. They NEED a better tutorial. Such as how to make squads, knowing when to pull out what gear etc. etc. For example: Was playing against some friends yesterday in Fac War. My blues got horridly cloned in the city, despite my tryharding to ensure that we always held majority points. Chatted with my friends afterwards, and they said something very profound. "Blues need to realize that they can't spam militia into the city. That place is a meatgrinder, and you NEED HP to survive down there. Spamming MLT or Basic is just feeding us kills over and over. " These are the types of things that need to be taught in academy, not "Heres your 10 matches, get out, HAVE FUN". Most of our problems in this game can be solved through a better NPE, which mainly consists of giving the vast majority of players in this game a decent amount of common FPS sense and tactics. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1436	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:03:00 - [10] - Quote I guess we disagree . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:29:00 - [11] - Quote It's not really a fault in the game, maybe match making needs more work but this is a team game! There's no single player game mode for a reason, it would be easy to implement but it's not what DUST is about. The problem with the game is learning curve and we have a small player base which doesn't allow new players to be separated from vets. That won't change in this game, now or ever the ship has sailed. If this game makes it to PS4 then maybe the game will become big and they can separate players by tiers but it's not happening here, they're incapable of it. Squads and teamwork are the name of the game in DUST. I play solo a lot mainly because I want to play when I want to and don't want to wait on people or have them waiting on me if I take a break between games. It's just easier but when I get wrecked by a well coordinated team, I don't get mad because I know it's my own fault, I should be in a squad. That's how this game is meant to be played this is not COD. Your post feels like a rant against teamwork. Proto suits should be littered all over the battlefield, the game has been around for years and you can work your way into LP proto suits within a month of playing. There's really no excuse for being proto stomped anymore, most people who play have several different proto suits at their disposal. If you're new the game is brutal but it was that way for all of us.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 333	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:34:00 - [12] - Quote I totally agree with you and think it would be nice if the game was set up solo que/matchmaking/team deploy. This would be a progressive system, and in this example pubs would be solo que (you get money and skill points), skill point gain is slow so for that extra step up you would have to squad up for FW (LP SP BPO) still needing afford to play you would still be in pubs, then once you have a decent amount of skill points, you have to make the jump to PC in order to afford the proto you are then able to buy(insert gains here). The main point of this is it would reduce war wariness of new players potentially expanding the player base. I have not played pc myself my knowledge of gains is second hand only if someone could post avg pc payout that would be great. I will call myself out I am a horribad player and generally do even worse when I am in a squad because I rp team work and follow around my squad mates instead of point hoeing. I spend most of my time dropping and defending uplinks when I do slay I do ok so my choices are good k/d or good point gain and at this point I need the sp also it helps my team. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 729	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:40:00 - [13] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, You complain far to much. Have you sought therapy for your issues?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1437	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:43:00 - [14] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: It's not really a fault in the game, maybe match making needs more work but this is a team game! There's no single player game mode for a reason, it would be easy to implement but it's not what DUST is about. The problem with the game is learning curve and we have a small player base which doesn't allow new players to be separated from vets. That won't change in this game, now or ever the ship has sailed. If this game makes it to PS4 then maybe the game will become big and they can separate players by tiers but it's not happening here, they're incapable of it. Squads and teamwork are the name of the game in DUST. I play solo a lot mainly because I want to play when I want to and don't want to wait on people or have them waiting on me if I take a break between games. It's just easier but when I get wrecked by a well coordinated team, I don't get mad because I know it's my own fault, I should be in a squad. That's how this game is meant to be played this is not COD. Your post feels like a rant against teamwork. Proto suits should be littered all over the battlefield, the game has been around for years and you can work your way into LP proto suits within a month of playing. There's really no excuse for being proto stomped anymore, most people who play have several different proto suits at their disposal. If you're new the game is brutal but it was that way for all of us. I guess we disagree and you totally misunderstand what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from when it's laid out right in front of you . I'm not here to dispute anything or anyone . I said what I had to say and was clear with my thoughts and opinion . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1437	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:45:00 - [15] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, You complain far to much. Have you sought therapy for your issues? Another person to disagree with , you people seem to be defending what's wrong with this game and that tells me that you must like the state of affairs or your one of these same people that I speak of . You don't have to agree with me but please don't try to make light of the situation or take what I say out of context . My words are here for all to see . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1437	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: I totally agree with you and think it would be nice if the game was set up solo que/matchmaking/team deploy. This would be a progressive system, and in this example pubs would be solo que (you get money and skill points), skill point gain is slow so for that extra step up you would have to squad up for FW (LP SP BPO) still needing afford to play you would still be in pubs, then once you have a decent amount of skill points, you have to make the jump to PC in order to afford the proto you are then able to buy(insert gains here). The main point of this is it would reduce war wariness of new players potentially expanding the player base. I have not played pc myself my knowledge of gains is second hand only, if someone could post avg pc payout that would be great. I will call myself out I am a horribad player and generally do even worse when I am in a squad because I rp team work and follow around my squad mates instead of point hoeing. I spend most of my time dropping and defending uplinks when I do slay I do ok so my choices are good k/d or good point gain and at this point I need the sp also it helps my team. I don't know about you being a bad player , I've played in matches against and with you and you hold your own . But yes , you seem to understand where I'm coming from and from the likes that I'm receiving , so do others . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2018	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:49:00 - [17] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: P.S. your not playing " SOLO " if your in a squad with buddies and you just decided to go run off and do your own thing . unless your a scout o which your exempt from all rules because of DEMI-GOD status [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:52:00 - [18] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: It's not really a fault in the game, maybe match making needs more work but this is a team game! There's no single player game mode for a reason, it would be easy to implement but it's not what DUST is about. The problem with the game is learning curve and we have a small player base which doesn't allow new players to be separated from vets. That won't change in this game, now or ever the ship has sailed. If this game makes it to PS4 then maybe the game will become big and they can separate players by tiers but it's not happening here, they're incapable of it. Squads and teamwork are the name of the game in DUST. I play solo a lot mainly because I want to play when I want to and don't want to wait on people or have them waiting on me if I take a break between games. It's just easier but when I get wrecked by a well coordinated team, I don't get mad because I know it's my own fault, I should be in a squad. That's how this game is meant to be played this is not COD. Your post feels like a rant against teamwork. Proto suits should be littered all over the battlefield, the game has been around for years and you can work your way into LP proto suits within a month of playing. There's really no excuse for being proto stomped anymore, most people who play have several different proto suits at their disposal. If you're new the game is brutal but it was that way for all of us. I guess we disagree and you totally misunderstand what I'm talking about or where I'm coming from when it's laid out right in front of you . I'm not here to dispute anything or anyone . I said what I had to say and was clear with my thoughts and opinion . I understand your point you want a gamemode where people can que up solo only, then they put teams together. What I'm trying to explain is we don't have a big enough player base. You ever wonder why you run into the same people over and over? I've seriously been in a match with just about everyone who posts on the forums... that doesn't happen in bigger games like COD. They can create multiple game modes because have a big enough player base to do so. At this stage in DUST we barely have enough people playing to support having FW around.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1437	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:54:00 - [19] - Quote If you think that all I do is complain then that's your opinion for those who feel as such but as a game that deserves the best out of and from it's community and as a participant of such , it's my duty to point out issues with said game , I guess if I had testimony from others whom I had no influence upon but they in their knowledge and understanding of the mechanics of this game , came up with the same findings ... they would receive scrutiny as well and that's what's wrong with some in the community , they like ... no love mechanics that they could manipulate , they like the stagnant nature of the community and the fact that the numbers go nowhere but down and with other games out on the market , that takes players from this game like Dragon Age , Farcry4 , Halo , COD and others , the numbers continue to spiral but I guess as long as you same people can beat your chest proudly like your accomplishing something that , that's alright for the health and namesake of this game . I guess in your eyes , everything is fine . Like I said , it's a shame . And sad . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1437	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:58:00 - [20] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I understand your point you want a gamemode where people can que up solo only, then they put teams together. What I'm trying to explain is we don't have a big enough player base. You ever wonder why you run into the same people over and over? I've seriously been in a match with just about everyone who posts on the forums... that doesn't happen in bigger games like COD. They can create multiple game modes because have a big enough player base to do so. At this stage in DUST we barely have enough people playing to support having FW around. And I guess that has nothing to do with certain mechanics of this game that goes unattended and result in these same issues driving potential consumers away and crippling the numbers that could be . It's not about me and what I want , it's something that NEEDS to be done and I'm not alone in the opinion of such . It takes someone with courage to stand up to the status quo and actually care about what's going on and be actually willing to do and say something about it . I'm sure I'm not alone in this belief . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2203	Posted - 2014.11.19 17:59:00 - [21] - Quote I enjoy playing with other people in squads. If you think I'm not going to run in squads because we stomped you, you are sadly mistaken. Use squadfinder & run with better players.... ...or continue to get pounded if you continue to run solo. The choice is yours. That said, I do agree we need a little time in the war barge. 30 seconds is fine.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 335	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:05:00 - [22] - Quote You guys should think about your outlook whether this game is a beta or not the players are here for feed back we are a tool for the devs to use. Since this game is free consider yourself an employee and construct your ideas well and make sure they benefit the game any not yourself. Most importantly give and explanation of your motives because while there is a lot of hate on the forums the devs are not foolish and will look at each idea in context despite criticisms. It is probably best not to let yourself get pulled into an argument I did the other day and I felt quite ashamed of myself after. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1437	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:06:00 - [23] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I enjoy playing with other people in squads. If you think I'm not going to run in squads because we stomped you, you are sadly mistaken. Use squadfinder & run with better players.... ...or continue to get pounded if you continue to run solo. The choice is yours. That said, I do agree we need a little time in the war barge. 30 seconds is fine. Now here is definitely one of the people that I'm speaking of . I see you and Mike doing the same thing that I'm talking about and your ruining the game . Care about squad play ? I have no problem with that but when you go against random players , the fact that your playing with players that your familiar with gives you a distinct advantage that you just can't dispute . Your not as good as you think that you are as long as you use others as a crutch . Like it or not that's just a fact . Pubs should be a mixture of random players . If you care about squads so much , why not play with others , other then the norms that you play with .?. grab some rookies and squad with them for a change if your so skilled and not ALT's from the same friends that you crutch on ? Oh yeah , because people like you drive away newer players and you take pride in doing so . Don't kid yourself , please .... just don't . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 732	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:22:00 - [24] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: RayRay James wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, You complain far to much. Have you sought therapy for your issues? Another person to disagree with , you people seem to be defending what's wrong with this game and that tells me that you must like the state of affairs or your one of these same people that I speak of . You don't have to agree with me but please don't try to make light of the situation or take what I say out of context . My words are here for all to see . I stand by my original statement. Your posts are whine rants burried in long winded posts. Your proposed suggestions in no way advance the game, instead, they usually try and group people into little groups of which 1) this game isn't designed to be and 2) there aren't enough people playing to accomplish anyways. I'm not defending anything in this game, however I happen to quite like it the way it is. You want to change it into something it's not (IMO). Of course we're going to disagree. EDIT: and if you go back through my post history, you'll notice that in nearly every post about how I play and what I run, I play solo 90% of the time (as in no squad) in pubs with blueprint gear. Do I lose when I run against 12 people playing together? Absolutely, because I should. I play another match when it's over. I DON'T try and turn the game into a solo players walled off area so they don't have to play with other teamed squads because that is not the designers intention for the game. I understand that when I play solo and when I play as a team. I understand that when I run blueprint or prototype. You should understand that as well.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1442	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:35:00 - [25] - Quote I understand that you TOTALLY misunderstand me and I'm not going to help you understand either , you have your view and I have mine . I AM NOT AGAINST SQUAD PLAY !!!!!! I LOVE FW besides the team killing and I've never played a PC match but that's because I just don't believe in befriending people who misuse broken mechanics and kill competition while doing such . It's not worth it to me . Like I said , my words are here for all to see and if you want to misconstrue them then you will be corrected by those who understand what they read and not have a specific agenda behind their nature . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1442	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:39:00 - [26] - Quote Pubs should me a make up of random players with enough allotted time to create squads in the war barge before the match . Not pre-fab stomp squads and q-synced prototype units . Are you people that weak that you have to use these methods in a fracking pub match ??? And your good right ???? Your better then the norm or average ???? Oh yeah , I'm the one with the problem . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 337	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:42:00 - [27] - Quote We are all gluttons for punishment that is why we are still here, but a lot of people are not. While the op speaks with passion I think the health of the game is his intent. What he proposes isn't a one sided goal because a rising tide raises all ships vets get more noobs to trash, noobs get a better experience, an increased player base increases the population of all game modes, and potentially bring a higher profit for ccp. A lobster doesn't scream when you boil it slowly. :D The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 985	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:46:00 - [28] - Quote Free for all death match. -can not form squads -team chat disabled. There. Fuking done. Move on. Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 732	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:47:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: STUFF So you disagree with me, which is fine, but since you disagree with me you dont want to have a discussion about it? Please, show me where I misconstrued your words? I'd love to know. Your third paragraph of your manifesto says Quote: FW and PC should be the arena's for this conduct and pub matches should be strictly random players You seem to think this is the reason new players don't stick around, because they get squad stomped (not proto stomped, squads). Is it possible that this game style just doesn't cater to those players, as apparently it also does not cater to you? You then proceed to comment that if the warbarge timer was longer, these blueberries would team up. Quote: Bring back the war barge and allow enough time for random players to create squads in pub matches They chose to not use the squadfinder before launching a game, why would they now? Also, that timer was reduced originally because of forum whiners. Quote: Two q-synced or a couple of squads full of random prototype players who play with each other on a regular but mask that fact by their appearance of being in different corporations but their familiar with each other because they squad play together , against a bunch of random players Teamwork is OP, we know we know. Quote: CCP is the blame for this because they don't have the balls to fix this or even acknowledge the problem . Maybe CCP doesn't see it as a problem, but of course, "calling them out" will surely get them to see your side. The next 6 paragraphs and lines reitterate your original comments. "Squads should be banned from pubs!" "Do you feel tough for playing the games as its provided?" " CCP = MONEY GRAB " You then close with an attempt to be hard with you final line. I think I understand you just fine.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1443	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:53:00 - [30] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: We are all gluttons for punishment that is why we are still here, but a lot of people are not. While the op speaks with passion I think the health of the game is his intent. What he proposes isn't a one sided goal because a rising tide raises all ships vets get more noobs to trash, noobs get a better experience, an increased player base increases the population of all game modes, and potentially bring a higher profit for ccp. A lobster doesn't scream when you boil it slowly. :D And this is not excluding vets either , if anything it's making sure that vets and mid-gamers along with newer players get to be placed in a balance setting with equal competition in a more competitive environment , you can still squad up in the war barge and it would be way more NPE friendly then the current set up , also it wouldn't exclude players because of their SP status as well . If anything this would put players that would normally be in the same squad against each other , also same corp as well and this would compliment the fight and make for a more intense battle . It would also help newer players get their " feet wet " and feel more comfortable in how they approach the game and in playing in a squad with a vet , get some valuable advice and also might just increase the numbers by not driving away newer players and help boost corporation numbers by helping players to feel more comfortable in how they approach the game and what their doing on the battle field . I guess that's asking too much . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5290	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:54:00 - [31] - Quote There should absolutely be a solo playmode. Regular ambush. All other game modes should get auto squading. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1443	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:57:00 - [32] - Quote Now I must admit I didn't read all that you wrote Ray but can you tell me that you HAVE NEVER seen a post written by a new player that explains their discomfort with the current set up and how they feel like " cannon fodder " for vet players or higher skilled players ???? Are you really trying to tell me that ? Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 338	Posted - 2014.11.19 18:59:00 - [33] - Quote I am totally getting ahead of myself, but if the progression indeed worked the potential for adding more unique gains/grinds to PC would be there. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1444	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:03:00 - [34] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The incredibly rare random vs random matches are always fun to play. Some of you people just are not getting it . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 733	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:04:00 - [35] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now I must admit I didn't read all that you wrote Ray but can you tell me that you HAVE NEVER seen a post written by a new player that explains their discomfort with the current set up and how they feel like " cannon fodder " for vet players or higher skilled players ???? Are you really trying to tell me that ? No, I've seen the posts. To be honest, with 50 mil SP, I still sometimes feel like cannon fodder. Because teamwork You think that eliminating teams would help solo players. Map knowledge helps drastically also, how would you fix that? Or my core skills all being at 5, how do you fix that? Or my multitude of suit and weapon options, how do you fix that? Squads are not the only thing that makes it hard on new players. The game, itself, is designed to be hard on new players. EVE is also. I have to believe the new player retention of both games would be astronomically low compared to other mainstream FPSs and MMOs. However, these are the choices the CCP made for the direction of their games. Trying to change the core design will end with a "you're gonna have a bad time" meme.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1044	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:06:00 - [36] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: wall of poorly construed text crits you for > 9000 damage. you die from over kill You had some good points in there, but whining about people murder facing pubs we ve all seen, goes no where. Also leave checkmate alone, hes lolfit all the time. My comments weren't fashioned at Checkmate , I could care less what others do in-game but my concerns are about the games health and make-up in general . If he took that as a poke then I'm misunderstood and I ask him to forgive me but that's his preference . I'm talking about why this games numbers DO NOT GROW and how mechanics are mismanaged or flaws are left unattended in order of placing more content in a game that has so many things wrong that need to be addressed FIRST AND FORMOST . I care about the health of this game and would love for more people to play and feel welcomed , I would love to see new faces and TRULY NEW not ALT's . There are multiple posts like the one that was written by Checkmate so my gripe wouldn't be specifically directed towards him and that really won't be fair to tell you the truth to just single him out . I don't have a problem with him . I do have a problem with mismanagement and the fact that the numbers of this game is stagnant for a system that has millions of it's units sold with multiple years on the market and very few people involved in this games community . That's my problem and something that I just don't understand . Fix the glitches , running and getting stuck on terrain , broken mechanics in-game if it's weapons ... suits ... bonuses to roles , headshot multipliers , designed maps or game modes , these things should be first on the list instead of new content added to a fragile and unstable make up of the mechanics in this game . Things would run so much more smoothly if these things were addressed and some emphasis were placed on these issues over ways to make money or add new content . I for one , don't like to introduce people to this game and then have them to tell me what's wrong with it and those thoughts are a reflection of how I feel or what I know to be issues , sometimes I want to be wrong , not that I'm always right ... far from it but to not have any influence on a persons opinion and to have them state issues that I know are REAL problems says a lot . Many people that I have spoken about Dust to eventually wonder why I still play this game which they look at as a failure but I see it as that's something that they just don't understand but I could also chalk that up to issues that are not looked at as important to the developers and that's why they go unattended but they are killing the potential of this game as a whole . It's just no excuse why this is constant . Didn't mean to take a jab at Checkmate . Wasn't my intention . +1
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1444	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:09:00 - [37] - Quote Your still not understanding me and that's alright , I guess . We disagree and that's fine , a sign of life but I'm not against squad play . I'm against the low numbers of this game . I'm against facing the same stomp fest match after match . I'm against people leaving a match because they see the mismatch on the other side . I'm against not having enough players on a game that's over 2 years old on a system that's over 10 years old to que a full match , like 9 against 16 or 5 on 10 because of the fact that this game doesn't have the numbers to support it . I can go on but why , these things are not foreign to most of you . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2204	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:13:00 - [38] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I enjoy playing with other people in squads. If you think I'm not going to run in squads because we stomped you, you are sadly mistaken. Use squadfinder & run with better players.... ...or continue to get pounded if you continue to run solo. The choice is yours. That said, I do agree we need a little time in the war barge. 30 seconds is fine. Now here is definitely one of the people that I'm speaking of . I see you and Mike doing the same thing that I'm talking about and your ruining the game . Care about squad play ? I have no problem with that but when you go against random players , the fact that your playing with players that your familiar with gives you a distinct advantage that you just can't dispute . Your not as good as you think that you are as long as you use others as a crutch . Like it or not that's just a fact . Pubs should be a mixture of random players . If you care about squads so much , why not play with others , other then the norms that you play with .?. grab some rookies and squad with them for a change if your so skilled and not ALT's from the same friends that you crutch on ? Oh yeah , because people like you drive away newer players and you take pride in doing so . Don't kid yourself , please .... just don't . The reality is I'd stomp you with or without my squad. I play with experienced players and newer members alike. Don't pretend to know how I play or with whom. Don't like being beaten by players better than you? Practice. Don't like being beaten by squads? Join one. Don't like being beaten by players familiar with each other using teamwork? Try it yourself. Just don't tell me to not enjoy the game the way I want to enjoy it because you don't like getting beat. Nobody did me any favors when I started playing this game. I got stomped relentlessly. What did I do? It certainly didn't entail QQing on the forums when faced with a challenge. I tried what beat me. I learned. I adapted. I got better. You might try it too. Or you might QQ. The choice is yours.
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5290	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:13:00 - [39] - Quote What FPS isn't hard for new players? There are plenty of FPS games that cater to solo players. This one happens to cater to squads/teams. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 735	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:16:00 - [40] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Your still not understanding me and that's alright , I guess . We disagree and that's fine , a sign of life but I'm not against squad play . I'm against the low numbers of this game . I'm against facing the same stomp fest match after match . I'm against people leaving a match because they see the mismatch on the other side . I'm against not having enough players on a game that's over 2 years old on a system that's over 10 years old to que a full match , like 9 against 16 or 5 on 10 because of the fact that this game doesn't have the numbers to support it . I can go on but why , these things are not foreign to most of you . You ignored all of my questions

Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 338	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:20:00 - [41] - Quote While your progression may have been somewhat similar your competition was not the gains in this game are linear. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1444	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:22:00 - [42] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The reality is I'd stomp you with or without my squad. I play with experienced players and newer members alike. Don't pretend to know how I play or with whom. Don't like being beaten by players better than you? Practice. Don't like being beaten by squads? Join one. Don't like being beaten by players familiar with each other using teamwork? Try it yourself. Just don't tell me to not enjoy the game the way I want to enjoy it because you don't like getting beat. Nobody did me any favors when I started playing this game. I got stomped relentlessly. What did I do? It certainly didn't entail QQing on the forums. I tried what beat me. I learned. I adapted. I got better. You might try it too. Or you might QQ. The choice is yours. I am not going to allow you to make this about you or me for that matter , this is about a game that should be doing way better then it is currently and what could be done to change that because to me , it's never too late and I believe that a lot of people who left are waiting for the right things to happen to come back and small steps that are firm are better then long uncoordinated strides to me . I want the numbers to increase , I want the people that I introduce to this game , to understand what I see in it and the community , I want to have better matches that are far more intense then the current set up . Can't have a " if it ain't broke then don't fix it " attitude because this $h!t is broken as frack and it just doesn't seem like the things that really need to be done are being done . I'm not going to give you that type of power . I wan't this game to be the best in it's genre and right now , it's not even top five . I wanna see Angry Joe do a late as hell review of Dust 514 because this game deserves it . I would like to know that others think that this game is moving in the right direction , can't really say that now . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1046	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:27:00 - [43] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Listen, extending warbarge times will NOT result in randoms going "LOLHey, lets make a squad" If you want to make squads we have SQUADFINDER. Gear restrictions should never happen as well. I like to think of ADV gear as the mainstay gear. Basic gear is budget gear, and Proto is what you pull when you NEED to do something (Like take an objective). Blues need a lot more help than what you are suggesting, but none of your ideas will fix it. They NEED a better tutorial. Such as how to make squads, knowing when to pull out what gear etc. etc. For example: Was playing against some friends yesterday in Fac War. My blues got horridly cloned in the city, despite my tryharding to ensure that we always held majority points. Chatted with my friends afterwards, and they said something very profound. "Blues need to realize that they can't spam militia into the city. That place is a meatgrinder, and you NEED HP to survive down there. Spamming MLT or Basic is just feeding us kills over and over. " These are the types of things that need to be taught in academy, not "Heres your 10 matches, get out, HAVE FUN". Most of our problems in this game can be solved through a better NPE, which mainly consists of giving the vast majority of players in this game a decent amount of common FPS sense and tactics. I have to disagree the times I've played random matches back in the day when the war barge times were extended there would be multiple people on voice and in the lobby saying join this squad for this or squad looking for two.. Nothing bad could come from the war barge time being extended if anything that little aesthetic increases immersion... On another note regarding NPE when I initially heard about Dust years ago I was an avid EVE online player and I thought holy **** this is going to be epic random casual players can play in High-sec (EVE term for newbie npc controlled area) Those newbies can stay In there for ever if they want but once they get enough SP they'll want to go out to low-sec and play with the big boys maybe meet a few corps prove yourself in low-sec while getting more meaningful rewards and contacts and eventually that Corp you joined, while progressing along would take you out to the Null-Sec for the real hunger games.. This I imagined would be the hard core, organized, white knuckle, edge of your seat, persistent competition that CCP is all about... Boy was I wrong , all we have now is a few days in the academy and off you go to hopefully get paired up with randoms and not a squad full of vets.. More then likely with this little of a player base your going to get put up against vets hence why the con - current numbers are stagnant. Shinobi is right something needs to be done not just for the pub stomp argument but for the longevity of Dust and at the end of the day for CCP's pocket book... Just not sure why CCP continues to turn a blind eye to things like this...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1444	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:34:00 - [44] - Quote And I remember the war barge and loved it and was so upset when they got rid of it , I didn't have a mic then and would hear the people talking and setting up to do whatever before the match started , I was about as upset as I was when they reworked the vehicles in 1.6 or was it 1.7 .?. but that really was a special time to and for me because I was somewhat new then and use to listen for tips to use in-game to apply during the match . People complained about the war barge but just didn't understand how it helped newer players understand the make-up of this game . I appreciated it . Little things mean a lot and some just don't appreciate it , they would rather have new content to add to an already unstable environment . Glitch filled , buggy and full of lag . No , I'm not happy with the way things are because I KNOW that they could be and should be better , it's taken enough time to make it so and it's still not there yet . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2208	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:35:00 - [45] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The reality is I'd stomp you with or without my squad. I play with experienced players and newer members alike. Don't pretend to know how I play or with whom. Don't like being beaten by players better than you? Practice. Don't like being beaten by squads? Join one. Don't like being beaten by players familiar with each other using teamwork? Try it yourself. Just don't tell me to not enjoy the game the way I want to enjoy it because you don't like getting beat. Nobody did me any favors when I started playing this game. I got stomped relentlessly. What did I do? It certainly didn't entail QQing on the forums. I tried what beat me. I learned. I adapted. I got better. You might try it too. Or you might QQ. The choice is yours. I am not going to allow you to make this about you or me for that matter , this is about a game that should be doing way better then it is currently and what could be done to change that because to me , it's never too late and I believe that a lot of people who left are waiting for the right things to happen to come back and small steps that are firm are better then long uncoordinated strides to me . I want the numbers to increase , I want the people that I introduce to this game , to understand what I see in it and the community , I want to have better matches that are far more intense then the current set up . Can't have a " if it ain't broke then don't fix it " attitude because this $h!t is broken as frack and it just doesn't seem like the things that really need to be done are being done . I'm not going to give you that type of power . I wan't this game to be the best in it's genre and right now , it's not even top five . I wanna see Angry Joe do a late as hell review of Dust 514 because this game deserves it . I would like to know that others think that this game is moving in the right direction , can't really say that now . If you don't want this to be about you or me, you shouldn't have said something like this: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now here is definitely one of the people that I'm speaking of . I see you and Mike doing the same thing that I'm talking about and your ruining the game . But, much like squads or teamwork, rather than overcome you deflect and make up excuses. Listen, some time in the warbarge to form squads is a good suggestion. So is a game mode that caters to non-squadded players, as Thor suggested. If that leads towards a more popular game, then I'd be all for it. Just don't tell me that I'm ruining the game because I'm trying to win using the methods that CCP has put into the game, because that's making it personal, and I don't take kindly to that.
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5292	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:37:00 - [46] - Quote I think 30 seconds to a minute in the warbarge isn't a bad idea, but for what you seem to be wanting I think auto-squading is the answer. We had it in beta, you were thrown in a squad as you entered the warbarge. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1444	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:39:00 - [47] - Quote I spoke the truth because YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAME PEOPLE , I see it everyday in pub matches whether were on the same team or not . I see two teams of four or five of the same corp and on the other squad a bunch of random players . That's not balanced and that is what this discussion is really about , not e-pen measuring . If your still on the same $h!t I won't indulge you in the least . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1446	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:41:00 - [48] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think 30 seconds to a minute in the warbarge isn't a bad idea, but for what you seem to be wanting I think auto-squading is the answer. We had it in beta, you were thrown in a squad as you entered the warbarge. If it's a mixture of players and not all familiars then that might be a compromise . Like I said , pub matches should be a mixture of random players . Not the crap that's current . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2208	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:41:00 - [49] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I spoke the truth because YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAME PEOPLE , I see it everyday in pub matches whether were on the same team or not . I see two teams of four or five of the same corp and on the other squad a bunch of random players . That's not balanced and that is what this discussion is really about , not e-pen measuring . If your still on the same $h!t I won't indulge you in the least . So, tell me what to do. Should I not squad up? Should I only run militia fits? Should I not use a mic? Should I let you win?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1446	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:45:00 - [50] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I spoke the truth because YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAME PEOPLE , I see it everyday in pub matches whether were on the same team or not . I see two teams of four or five of the same corp and on the other squad a bunch of random players . That's not balanced and that is what this discussion is really about , not e-pen measuring . If your still on the same $h!t I won't indulge you in the least . So, tell me what to do. Should I not squad up? Should I only run militia fits? Should I not use a mic? Should I let you win? We have played together before , multiple times and I can say that for the most part , if I'm on your team we win , if not I loose but look at the match make up once and a while and you will understand what I'm talking about . I'm not against you or squad play , I'm against mismatched matches and that's all . That's the whole point of this discussion . Look at the make up of the games and tell me if I'm lying . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5292	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:45:00 - [51] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I spoke the truth because YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAME PEOPLE , I see it everyday in pub matches whether were on the same team or not . I see two teams of four or five of the same corp and on the other squad a bunch of random players . That's not balanced and that is what this discussion is really about , not e-pen measuring . If your still on the same $h!t I won't indulge you in the least . I think the reason so many people like Dust is directly related to it's difficulty and depth. I don't think you are going to get much traction asking to have public matches reduced to solo only game modes where you get some time in the warbarge to build up random squads. That would suck for everyone when the answer for the sane human would be to find a better group to squad up with. I hope they don't dumb down Dust to the COD lobby shooter level. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4947	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:46:00 - [52] - Quote It isn't the protostompers fault necessarily. They earned their SP and they can run any fit they choose. As for squading up, well that's a core part of Dust: squad-based gameplay. No, this is matchmaking's fault for not putting the protostompers up against other protostompers. My squad of three got shunted into a match against Leadfoot10 + squad once. I swear the other 13 blueberries were randoms. I saw one guy swapping fittings at the supply depot in our redline for 3 minutes... It is not Leadfoot10's fault Scotty gave me window-licker teammates. My advice to you, playa...
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 340	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:51:00 - [53] - Quote Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1446	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:51:00 - [54] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: It isn't the protostompers fault necessarily. They earned their SP and they can run any fit they choose. As for squading up, well that's a core part of Dust: squad-based gameplay. No, this is matchmaking's fault for not putting the protostompers up against other protostompers. My squad of three got shunted into a match against Leadfoot10 + squad once. I swear the other 13 blueberries were randoms. I saw one guy swapping fittings at the supply depot in our redline for 3 minutes... It is not Leadfoot10's fault Scotty gave me window-licker teammates. And I TOTALLY agree , I even said that previously . Leadfoot10 is a good player but the match make up suffers . It's not anyone's fault but the ones that can actually do something about it . This MU crap is garbage and isn't helping in the least , I would make an alt just to test and get placed right into a stomp fest right after graduation , now that's complete B.S. I would get placed in matches that I couldn't pay CCP enough to put me in while on my main . Something is just so wrong about that . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5294	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:53:00 - [55] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think 30 seconds to a minute in the warbarge isn't a bad idea, but for what you seem to be wanting I think auto-squading is the answer. We had it in beta, you were thrown in a squad as you entered the warbarge. If it's a mixture of players and not all familiars then that might be a compromise . Like I said , pub matches should be a mixture of random players . Not the crap that's current . The problem is that the vast majority of players are queuing solo. Push people to squad up and the game will become more enjoyable to all. I think an ambush mode where it's 100% solo would give the people that are limited in time some place to veg out and play some quick matches. However domination and skirmish should be challenging and should involve squads and teams (in FW and PC). I think most matches are garbage, but they haven't always been. I think the #1 reason for it is crappy payouts, pay people and they will fight. I think many people play solo in scout suits because they reward this type of game play. So to summarize my thoughts on improving your experience as well as mine: 1) Auto-Squadding in Skirmish and Domination 2) Increased Payouts 3) Balanced Scouts I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2209	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:56:00 - [56] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I spoke the truth because YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAME PEOPLE , I see it everyday in pub matches whether were on the same team or not . I see two teams of four or five of the same corp and on the other squad a bunch of random players . That's not balanced and that is what this discussion is really about , not e-pen measuring . If your still on the same $h!t I won't indulge you in the least . So, tell me what to do. Should I not squad up? Should I only run militia fits? Should I not use a mic? Should I let you win? We have played together before , multiple times and I can say that for the most part , if I'm on your team we win , if not I loose but look at the match make up once and a while and you will understand what I'm talking about . I'm not against you or squad play , I'm against mismatched matches and that's all . That's the whole point of this discussion . Look at the make up of the games and tell me if I'm lying . You see "mismatched matches", I see a challenge to overcome, and I like challenges. Relish them, even. I guess we're just wired differently. The games are much better matched than they used to be. That's a fact. I can't help it if your blueberries don't help. Believe me, I get the same people on my team all the time. But perhaps we could incent trying more by changing the way WP/SP are given -- that would help. Perhaps we could add time to the warbarge -- that would help. Perhaps we could even add a game mode without squads/coms -- like Thor suggested a few posts above -- although I suspect it would only reinforce solo behavior and further water down the rest of the game, but it might help. Tell me what we can change in the game, just don't tell me I'm bad or hurting this game because I try to win. Because I'm not going to stop trying. That's not how I roll.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1446	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:57:00 - [57] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think the reason so many people like Dust is directly related to it's difficulty and depth. I don't think you are going to get much traction asking to have public matches reduced to solo only game modes where you get some time in the warbarge to build up random squads. That would suck for everyone when the answer for the sane human would be to find a better group to squad up with. I hope they don't dumb down Dust to the COD lobby shooter level. I can understand where your coming from but how is that helping those who have no knowledge of the game , how is that competitive when the other team is full of random players , how is that NOT driving away people who feel like there overwhelmed by the lack of knowledge , SP's , ISK's or resources to compete ??? It's easy to say in the same mind frame and say you have to adapt but hows that doing for the community and the numbers on a game that's 2 years old and on a system that's 10 years old and it's F2P ? This is ONE game that should be KILLING with the numbers of people that play it but it's dying because not enough people play so they have to jump ship and move to PC . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5295	Posted - 2014.11.19 19:59:00 - [58] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. I agree, and I think that many of the issues stem from CCP ignoring the squad/team play aspect of Dust for so long. They need to figure out how to completely flip the ratio of solo:squad players in matches. The auto squading is okay, but the vast majority aren't going to change their playstyle due to some green dots mixed in with their blue dots. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1049	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:01:00 - [59] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I spoke the truth because YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAME PEOPLE , I see it everyday in pub matches whether were on the same team or not . I see two teams of four or five of the same corp and on the other squad a bunch of random players . That's not balanced and that is what this discussion is really about , not e-pen measuring . If your still on the same $h!t I won't indulge you in the least . I think the reason so many people like Dust is directly related to it's difficulty and depth. I don't think you are going to get much traction asking to have public matches reduced to solo only game modes where you get some time in the warbarge to build up random squads. That would suck for everyone when the answer for the sane human would be to find a better group to squad up with. I hope they don't dumb down Dust to the COD lobby shooter level. Dust isn't getting much traction currently anyways because it has been dumbed down to the lobby shooter you speak of.. We're all playing in one giant cookie cutter lobby and the majority are stomping the minority.. Partially due to the small player base.. You gotta think outside the box but unfortunately in CCP's case if they push to many people outside the box it will leave very few to play with on either side of the fence.. But if it means attracting new players I'm willing to wait a Lil longer between matches especially if those matches have higher risk better rewards...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1448	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:02:00 - [60] - Quote Leadfoot10 just look at the match makeup , it's not a challenge when you have squads going up against random players . That's more of a challenge of the random players , not the team your on . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 737	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:04:00 - [61] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. We're already doing that. Either Legion happens or it doesn't, and it will be on PC first (if not only). Dust is not going to be the game we expected. Doesn't mean we should disavow everything that we like about the game just to appease a few people still here who think Dust can rise from the ashes and become a top 5 shooter while still being on the PS3 if only we do this, that and the other thing. The Dust name is rusted and no about of sanding is going to eliminate that. That's the main reason for the name change. A fresh start, even though it wont be "fresh" because any reviewer worth a damn is going to remember Dust and bring it up in their review. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui has changed his argument through out the last 3 pages. Then refuses to discuss it with anyone with an opposing opinion. That is entirely his prerogative, however, he can't come to the forums with his "solution" without being able to defend it. He completely side steps peoples legitimate questions and focuses on only his point. If he can't make his argument succinctly and defend it against questions, it's not going to gain traction. And he still hasn't answered my questions
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2209	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:04:00 - [62] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: It isn't the protostompers fault necessarily. They earned their SP and they can run any fit they choose. As for squading up, well that's a core part of Dust: squad-based gameplay. No, this is matchmaking's fault for not putting the protostompers up against other protostompers. My squad of three got shunted into a match against Leadfoot10 + squad once. I swear the other 13 blueberries were randoms. I saw one guy swapping fittings at the supply depot in our redline for 3 minutes... It is not Leadfoot10's fault Scotty gave me window-licker teammates. And I TOTALLY agree , I even said that previously . Leadfoot10 is a good player but the match make up suffers . It's not anyone's fault but the ones that can actually do something about it . This MU crap is garbage and isn't helping in the least , I would make an alt just to test and get placed right into a stomp fest right after graduation , now that's complete B.S. I would get placed in matches that I couldn't pay CCP enough to put me in while on my main . Something is just so wrong about that . I don't think you understand how MU and team balancing works. MU doesn't decide who goes into a particular battle, it decides how the battle is balanced between the teams once the match is full and launches. Perhaps what you should be suggesting is match making rather than team balancing...
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5295	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:06:00 - [63] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think the reason so many people like Dust is directly related to it's difficulty and depth. I don't think you are going to get much traction asking to have public matches reduced to solo only game modes where you get some time in the warbarge to build up random squads. That would suck for everyone when the answer for the sane human would be to find a better group to squad up with. I hope they don't dumb down Dust to the COD lobby shooter level. I can understand where your coming from but how is that helping those who have no knowledge of the game , how is that competitive when the other team is full of random players , how is that NOT driving away people who feel like there overwhelmed by the lack of knowledge , SP's , ISK's or resources to compete ??? It's easy to say in the same mind frame and say you have to adapt but hows that doing for the community and the numbers on a game that's 2 years old and on a system that's 10 years old and it's F2P ? This is ONE game that should be KILLING with the numbers of people that play it but it's dying because not enough people play so they have to jump ship and move to PC . The auto-squading from beta led me to the group of players that eventually ended up forming Molon Labe. I remember countless times telling some random squad leader how to drop an orbital. There's no telling how much NPE was handled this way back then. But the game team aspect of Dust has eroded. I couldn't put a finger on when or why. My guess is that many of the beta players have left the game. I think the beta players were more likely to min/max everything to the core and more likely to squad up and come up with a plan to beat the opposing team. Perhaps the new players who are playing a FTP game on old generation hardware aren't exactly the type to use a lot of brain power on the game??? Who knows? I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 341	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:06:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. I agree, and I think that many of the issues stem from CCP ignoring the squad/team play aspect of Dust for so long. They need to figure out how to completely flip the ratio of solo:squad players in matches. The auto squading is okay, but the vast majority aren't going to change their playstyle due to some green dots mixed in with their blue dots. Since progression is linear the game just gets more and more inhospitable to new players this is probably a change that is long overdue. While auto squad may make people more familiar with team play without any restrictions it would likely have a devastating effect of removing all hope from new players because as it is now people say well you should squad up, when we all know it makes little difference with our very small player base i.e. I will face the same people almost every match in a squad and likely out. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1448	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:06:00 - [65] - Quote Now you see why I said Bolsh Lee is one of the saner heads , he tells it like it is . I can easily admit I'm wrong , like how I approached you Leadfoot10 , I was wrong but all I want are better matches not stomp fests where random players go against squads of players familiar with their tactics because there organized . Please forgive me Leadfoot10 I was wrong in how I approached you . I was being a Jack@$$ indeed . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
The Master Race Immortal Guides 341	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:06:00 - [66] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. I agree, and I think that many of the issues stem from CCP ignoring the squad/team play aspect of Dust for so long. They need to figure out how to completely flip the ratio of solo:squad players in matches. The auto squading is okay, but the vast majority aren't going to change their playstyle due to some green dots mixed in with their blue dots. Since progression is linear the game just gets more and more inhospitable to new players this is probably a change that is long overdue. While auto squad may make people more familiar with team play without any restrictions it would likely have a devastating effect of removing all hope from new players because as it is now people say well you should squad up, when we all know it makes little difference with our very small player base i.e. I will face the same people almost every match in a squad and likely out. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1449	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:10:00 - [67] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. We're already doing that. Either Legion happens or it doesn't, and it will be on PC first (if not only). Dust is not going to be the game we expected. Doesn't mean we should disavow everything that we like about the game just to appease a few people still here who think Dust can rise from the ashes and become a top 5 shooter while still being on the PS3 if only we do this, that and the other thing. The Dust name is rusted and no about of sanding is going to eliminate that. That's the main reason for the name change. A fresh start, even though it wont be "fresh" because any reviewer worth a damn is going to remember Dust and bring it up in their review. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui has changed his argument through out the last 3 pages. Then refuses to discuss it with anyone with an opposing opinion. That is entirely his prerogative, however, he can't come to the forums with his "solution" without being able to defend it. He completely side steps peoples legitimate questions and focuses on only his point. If he can't make his argument succinctly and defend it against questions, it's not going to gain traction. And he still hasn't answered my questions Funny , everyone else seems to be on topic , like I said , it's not about me ... it's about making this game better . Have at me all you like but that's not changing the fact that something needs to be done to change the environment and create numbers and revenue . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2213	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:11:00 - [68] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now you see why I said Bolsh Lee is one of the saner heads , he tells it like it is . I can easily admit I'm wrong , like how I approached you Leadfoot10 , I was wrong but all I want are better matches not stomp fests where random players go against squads of players familiar with their tactics because there organized . Please forgive me Leadfoot10 I was wrong in how I approached you . I was being a Jack@$$ indeed . No worries, bro, we all want this game to be more popular and successful. If I may offer you some advice, it would be to focus more on the solution and less on the problem. We all want a more competitive and popular game. The question is how to go about it, not who is at fault (I blame CCP! ).
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1449	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:14:00 - [69] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now you see why I said Bolsh Lee is one of the saner heads , he tells it like it is . I can easily admit I'm wrong , like how I approached you Leadfoot10 , I was wrong but all I want are better matches not stomp fests where random players go against squads of players familiar with their tactics because there organized . Please forgive me Leadfoot10 I was wrong in how I approached you . I was being a Jack@$$ indeed . No worries, bro, we all want this game to be more popular and successful. If I may offer you some advice, it would be to focus more on the solution and less on the problem. We all want a more competitive and popular game. The question is how to go about it, not what's causing it or who is at fault. You know you Molon Labe and FA guys get all the slack and hate for some reason . Guess I fell into that mode , shame to say . You didn't deserve it . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 985	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:15:00 - [70] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: RayRay James wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. We're already doing that. Either Legion happens or it doesn't, and it will be on PC first (if not only). Dust is not going to be the game we expected. Doesn't mean we should disavow everything that we like about the game just to appease a few people still here who think Dust can rise from the ashes and become a top 5 shooter while still being on the PS3 if only we do this, that and the other thing. The Dust name is rusted and no about of sanding is going to eliminate that. That's the main reason for the name change. A fresh start, even though it wont be "fresh" because any reviewer worth a damn is going to remember Dust and bring it up in their review. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui has changed his argument through out the last 3 pages. Then refuses to discuss it with anyone with an opposing opinion. That is entirely his prerogative, however, he can't come to the forums with his "solution" without being able to defend it. He completely side steps peoples legitimate questions and focuses on only his point. If he can't make his argument succinctly and defend it against questions, it's not going to gain traction. And he still hasn't answered my questions Funny , everyone else seems to be on topic , like I said , it's not about me ... it's about making this game better . Have at me all you like but that's not changing the fact that something needs to be done to change the environment and create numbers and revenue . QFT srsly dude, stop. Here, this is all we need to talk about. Match making. Its doesn't exist. Why? Too small a player base. K... so what do we need t do? Get more players. How do we do that? Balance the game and improve npe. How do we balance the game? Fixing the fuking bugs and horse crap game design.....exactly like Rattati's doing. And the illuminatii that pull the cpms strings say npe is beimg worked on. So this game is incredibly slowly on the right track. At this point if you cant see that, youre fuktarded. Straight up dude. Ratatti might be two years too late, but hes doing the best he can with the little bit he has. Be patient and stfu for once. Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.

Leadfoot10 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 2213	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:17:00 - [71] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now you see why I said Bolsh Lee is one of the saner heads , he tells it like it is . I can easily admit I'm wrong , like how I approached you Leadfoot10 , I was wrong but all I want are better matches not stomp fests where random players go against squads of players familiar with their tactics because there organized . Please forgive me Leadfoot10 I was wrong in how I approached you . I was being a Jack@$$ indeed . No worries, bro, we all want this game to be more popular and successful. If I may offer you some advice, it would be to focus more on the solution and less on the problem. We all want a more competitive and popular game. The question is how to go about it, not what's causing it or who is at fault. You know you Molon Labe and FA guys get all the slack and hate for some reason . Guess I fell into that mode , shame to say . You didn't deserve it . We are just a visible and popular target. Used to it. No biggie. The facts are we have good players and we have not so good players. We have people who only run solo, and people who run only in squads. We have people who run only proto, and people who never do. We have people who try hard to win, and people who could care less. No worries.
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5295	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:21:00 - [72] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. I agree, and I think that many of the issues stem from CCP ignoring the squad/team play aspect of Dust for so long. They need to figure out how to completely flip the ratio of solo:squad players in matches. The auto squading is okay, but the vast majority aren't going to change their playstyle due to some green dots mixed in with their blue dots. Since progression is linear the game just gets more and more inhospitable to new players this is probably a change that is long overdue. While auto squad may make people more familiar with team play without any restrictions it would likely have a devastating effect of removing all hope from new players because as it is now people say well you should squad up, when we all know it makes little difference with our very small player base i.e. I will face the same people almost every match in a squad and likely out. I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to say here. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1450	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:22:00 - [73] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: QFT srsly dude, stop. Here, this is all we need to talk about. Match making. Its doesn't exist. Why? Too small a player base. K... so what do we need t do? Get more players. How do we do that? Balance the game and improve npe. How do we balance the game? Fixing the fuking bugs and horse crap game design.....exactly like Rattati's doing. And the illuminatii that pull the cpms strings say npe is beimg worked on. So this game is incredibly slowly on the right track. At this point if you cant see that, youre fuktarded. Straight up dude. Ratatti might be two years too late, but hes doing the best he can with the little bit he has. Be patient and stfu for once. Gee , I wasn't aware that I was taking digs at Rattatti , didn't even mention him until now eventhough if that was how I felt , I could have ... didn't know that you were his boi toi , .... you must like me with all the hate , sorry I just don't swing that way , I don't kiss men on the mouth , no offense to those who do but it's just not me . I can give you a hug though , sounds like you need one . Just don't grab my @$$ . We might have a problem then . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 985	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:28:00 - [74] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: QFT srsly dude, stop. Here, this is all we need to talk about. Match making. Its doesn't exist. Why? Too small a player base. K... so what do we need t do? Get more players. How do we do that? Balance the game and improve npe. How do we balance the game? Fixing the fuking bugs and horse crap game design.....exactly like Rattati's doing. And the illuminatii that pull the cpms strings say npe is beimg worked on. So this game is incredibly slowly on the right track. At this point if you cant see that, youre fuktarded. Straight up dude. Ratatti might be two years too late, but hes doing the best he can with the little bit he has. Be patient and stfu for once. Gee , I wasn't aware that I was taking digs at Rattatti , didn't even mention him until now eventhough if that was how I felt , I could have ... didn't know that you were his boi toi , .... you must like me with all the hate , sorry I just don't swing that way , I don't kiss men on the mouth , no offense to those who do but it's just not me . I can give you a hug though , sounds like you need one . Just don't grab my @$$ . We might have a problem then . Listen here slapass, your pedantic ranting is mind-numbingly infuriating; you havent put forth a solid argument or idea since prior to fanfest and everything after has been a how-to guide to polarize and isolate the playerbase. Youd make a helluva congressman, but a rather terrible community member. Look at what you were asking for in this thread. It took 4 pages but I whittled it down and summed it up in my prior post. Why couldn't you have done that in the first place instead of this whirlwind, bleeding heart ego trip you took all for a ride on? Shi t dont happen over night when you a 5-man crew desperately trying to fix this broken game, while proof-of-concept testing legion into at the same time. Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1450	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:28:00 - [75] - Quote Sorry about the boi toi comment Rattatti , your a true star in the community . Hell , you even compromised for people like myself with the SP refund . I'll go to bat for you . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 554	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:32:00 - [76] - Quote Drop squad maximum to four, bring back the warbage and push all combatents into a squad by default, giving them the option to opt out and go solo before the battle starts. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1452	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:37:00 - [77] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Listen here slapass, your pedantic ranting is mind-numbingly infuriating; you havent put forth a solid argument or idea since prior to fanfest and everything after has been a how-to guide to polarize and isolate the playerbase. Youd make a helluva congressman, but a rather terrible community member. Look at what you were asking for in this thread. It took 4 pages but I whittled it down and summed it up in my prior post. Why couldn't you have done that in the first place instead of this whirlwind, bleeding heart ego trip you took all for a ride on? Shi t dont happen over night when you a 5-man crew desperately trying to fix this broken game, while proof-of-concept testing legion into at the same time. Shame that you just didn't see the truth in my comments and the fact that the community has come to discuss the matter means that they care about what's going on . Sometimes feedback solve problems because like you stated , one person might not be able to do the job alone but multiple people are more efficient if there on the same path which is what happened . I love group discussions and if you see what I did as blank and meaningless then that's your opinion , I feel that I said what was on my mind , others came in and gave valued input on the matter and for that I'm thankful . Still doesn't change what's happening or what goes on but it gives this discussion substance IMHO . Maybe this will cause some of the powers that be to think about what's going on to find a even ground and help to make the situation better and less one sided and that's all that I'm looking for . Thank you for all the love that you show . It's not unnoticed . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1453	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:39:00 - [78] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Drop squad maximum to four, bring back the warbage and push all combatents into a squad by default, giving them the option to opt out and go solo before the battle starts. See , good feedback is valued . Good points made . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 985	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:49:00 - [79] - Quote See, good feed back can be generated in 5 lines. Not pages. Shin, id be more receptive to anything you'd say if it wasn't presented in an arrogant, all or nothing tone. If you were looking for actual conversation you still wouldnt be ignoring rayrays questions. Nor would you have accusatory tones with straw man arguments. Come on bud, I know you can do better, I've seen it before. Also, seeing another matches are borked, fix nao! thread is enough to **** off anyone. Cause they've been main page discussions for weeks now. : / Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1453	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:54:00 - [80] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: See, good feed back can be generated in 5 lines. Not pages. Shin, id be more receptive to anything you'd say if it wasn't presented in an arrogant, all or nothing tone. If you were looking for actual conversation you still wouldnt be ignoring rayrays questions. Nor would you have accusatory tones with straw man arguments. Come on bud, I know you can do better, I've seen it before. Also, seeing another matches are borked, fix nao! thread is enough to ** off anyone. Cause they've been main page discussions for weeks now. : / So that should be an indicator that something needs to be done to fix it . I can come off like a jack@$$ and for that please forgive me . I try not to have that " do it now " attitude but I come off as being harsh at times , guess it's the military in me . I just need to smoke some Kush and I will be fine . I just want this game to be the best and I get frustrated at times . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .**

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14828	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:56:00 - [81] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Drop squad maximum to four, bring back the warbage and push all combatents into a squad by default, giving them the option to opt out and go solo before the battle starts. See , good feedback is valued . Good points made . No reason to every opt out of a squad though. Almost every modern game auto assigns you one before the match even starts. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 986	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:00:00 - [82] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: See, good feed back can be generated in 5 lines. Not pages. Shin, id be more receptive to anything you'd say if it wasn't presented in an arrogant, all or nothing tone. If you were looking for actual conversation you still wouldnt be ignoring rayrays questions. Nor would you have accusatory tones with straw man arguments. Come on bud, I know you can do better, I've seen it before. Also, seeing another matches are borked, fix nao! thread is enough to ** off anyone. Cause they've been main page discussions for weeks now. : / So that should be an indicator that something needs to be done to fix it . I can come off like a jack@$$ and for that please forgive me . I try not to have that " do it now " attitude but I come off as being harsh at times , guess it's the military in me . I just need to smoke some Kush and I will be fine . I just want this game to be the best and I get frustrated at times . I hear ya bud, its what we all want. We just gotta be patient sometimes, and that **;s hard. Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 5296	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:01:00 - [83] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Drop squad maximum to four, bring back the warbage and push all combatents into a squad by default, giving them the option to opt out and go solo before the battle starts. See , good feedback is valued . Good points made . No reason to every opt out of a squad though. Almost every modern game auto assigns you one before the match even starts. There isn't any reason for a player to opt out, but when talking this over with Soraya in my thread he made it seem like this would be an absolute necessity. I still haven't figured out why. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 342	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:03:00 - [84] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. I agree, and I think that many of the issues stem from CCP ignoring the squad/team play aspect of Dust for so long. They need to figure out how to completely flip the ratio of solo:squad players in matches. The auto squading is okay, but the vast majority aren't going to change their playstyle due to some green dots mixed in with their blue dots. Since progression is linear the game just gets more and more inhospitable to new players this is probably a change that is long overdue. While auto squad may make people more familiar with team play without any restrictions it would likely have a devastating effect of removing all hope from new players because as it is now people say well you should squad up, when we all know it makes little difference with our very small player base i.e. I will face the same people almost every match in a squad and likely out. I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to say here. If we just squad people up it doesn't change their ability to compete, because they do not have the sp or tactics that a pre formed vet squad. The problem persists and escalates as the population ages vet>noob. This furthers new player strife, causes any population booms to be lost, and eventually degrades the likelihood of a sustainable player base to zero. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 986	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:05:00 - [85] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Thor no one wants that, but if there are not thresholds added to the game we will all be riding it into the.... well... dust. I agree, and I think that many of the issues stem from CCP ignoring the squad/team play aspect of Dust for so long. They need to figure out how to completely flip the ratio of solo:squad players in matches. The auto squading is okay, but the vast majority aren't going to change their playstyle due to some green dots mixed in with their blue dots. Since progression is linear the game just gets more and more inhospitable to new players this is probably a change that is long overdue. While auto squad may make people more familiar with team play without any restrictions it would likely have a devastating effect of removing all hope from new players because as it is now people say well you should squad up, when we all know it makes little difference with our very small player base i.e. I will face the same people almost every match in a squad and likely out. I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to say here. If we just squad people up it doesn't change their ability to compete, because they do not have the sp or tactics that a pre formed vet squad. The problem persists and escalates as the population ages vet>noob. This furthers new player strife, causes any population booms to be lost, and eventually degrades the likelihood of a sustainable player base to zero. Very much this. Jumped in a couple of random squads from the spawn screen today. No cohesion, communication or plan. It was just extra qarpoints here and there. Can't win em all I guess Please Lone-wolf responsibly. Calling for nerfs because you died is bad, cause its usually your own stupid fault.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1455	Posted - 2014.11.19 21:19:00 - [86] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: If we just squad people up it doesn't change their ability to compete, because they do not have the sp or tactics that a pre formed vet squad. The problem persists and escalates as the population ages vet>noob. This furthers new player strife, causes any population booms to be lost, and eventually degrades the likelihood of a sustainable player base to zero. That's the whole reason I started this , to show imbalance that I'm sure that most of you were aware of and to figure out a way that WE could change that . I don't believe in it being too late in the game for change and like I said , I think that there are some that's waiting for certain changes before they come back and I'm just trying to make that happen with help . I want the numbers to climb , I want better matches , I want the vets that left to come back , I want the new players to feel like they can lean on the vets for advice and help and not feel alienated . It would be great with this game being F2P that the numbers would be out of the roof where you wouldn't have to wait to play FW because of the overabundance of people on-line ready and waiting , good pub matches and great PC matches where your not playing the same people or their ALT's match after match . Better late then never and I know that this game is far better then it's numbers allow at the moment . Maybe that's just my belief . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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