It's a shame when people make post calling out other players and calling them bad when and while making a statement about the current condition of the game and the players , all the while running q-synced squads or mixed friendly squads of proto players in pub matches .

Why do you allow this CCP ???

FW and PC should be the arena's for this conduct and pub matches should be strictly random players .

Bring back the war barge and allow enough time for random players to create squads in pub matches , not allow already pre-fab squads to sync into a pub match and wreak a bunch of random players and then beat their chests like they accomplished something to be proud of .

We know that just because your not in the same corp doesn't mean that you don't play together , so stop trying to squad up and then stomp a random pub match like your really good at this game .

I see this on a daily because pubs are all I play and this is what happens .

Two q-synced or a couple of squads full of random prototype players who play with each other on a regular but mask that fact by their appearance of being in different corporations but their familiar with each other because they squad play together , against a bunch of random players .

Random players loose badly .

Do you people who do this feel like your really good at this game when you have to use one another as and for a crutch against a bunch of random players ???

No one fights to get this fixed or even suggests it , they would rather place meta restrictions on pub matches when the meta is not the problem , it's the allowing of this self-serving tactic to still exist that kills the pub experience and the new players who play pub matches .

I guess I'm the ONLY one who notices this happening or who really cares .

I don't blame matchmaking because the computer is only programmed to do what it's programmed to do and CCP is the blame for this because they don't have the balls to fix this or even acknowledge the problem .

Bring back the war barge , make pubs strictly random players , allow enough time for said random players to form squads in said pub matches , not already have ready made stomp squads that run and ruin pub matches for hours on end .

Strictly random players and newer players wouldn't feel out of place and so useless , they would know what to expect and or do in a squad environment , they wouldn't feel so intimidated to join a corporation because they would be confident from past experience , it would cut the frequency of AFKing because you wouldn't have one sided matches and stomp fests , it would actually give new players a chance to get use to the environment after they graduate and maybe .... just maybe , this would increase the numbers so that I don't have to play these same douches every fracking game , match after match like they are the ONLY people playing at the time .

How do you people feel good about yourselves knowing this and conducting this type of activity when you do these things and manipulate the system like you do ????

No wonder no one new wants to play this game or stay long enough to enjoy the environment .

Can't place all the blame on you people though because CCP condones this .

Money grabbing like some have said but you do things to limit the possibilities of make more revenue by your broken mechanics . I guess draining the same people over and over works for you but how long will that work ?

I don't think your money grabbing CCP because if you knew how to do that right , I would see more fresh faces but that just won't happen because you just don't know what to do or at least you try to act that way .

Some of us know better .

Fix pub matches and stop this crap from happening .

*wall of poorly construed text crits you for > 9000 damage. *
*you die from over kill*

You had some good points in there, but whining about people murder facing pubs we ve all seen, goes no where.

Also leave checkmate alone, hes lolfit all the time.

You had some good points in there, but whining about people murder facing pubs we ve all seen, goes no where.

It's not really a fault in the game, maybe match making needs more work but this is a team game! There's no single player game mode for a reason, it would be easy to implement but it's not what DUST is about. The problem with the game is learning curve and we have a small player base which doesn't allow new players to be separated from vets. That won't change in this game, now or ever the ship has sailed. If this game makes it to PS4 then maybe the game will become big and they can separate players by tiers but it's not happening here, they're incapable of it.

Squads and teamwork are the name of the game in DUST. I play solo a lot mainly because I want to play when I want to and don't want to wait on people or have them waiting on me if I take a break between games. It's just easier but when I get wrecked by a well coordinated team, I don't get mad because I know it's my own fault, I should be in a squad. That's how this game is meant to be played this is not COD.

Your post feels like a rant against teamwork. Proto suits should be littered all over the battlefield, the game has been around for years and you can work your way into LP proto suits within a month of playing. There's really no excuse for being proto stomped anymore, most people who play have several different proto suits at their disposal. If you're new the game is brutal but it was that way for all of us.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui, You complain far to much. Have you sought therapy for your issues?

I totally agree with you and think it would be nice if the game was set up solo que/matchmaking/team deploy. This would be a progressive system, and in this example pubs would be solo que (you get money and skill points), skill point gain is slow so for that extra step up you would have to squad up for FW (LP SP BPO) still needing afford to play you would still be in pubs, then once you have a decent amount of skill points, you have to make the jump to PC in order to afford the proto you are then able to buy(insert gains here). The main point of this is it would reduce war wariness of new players potentially expanding the player base.

I have not played pc myself my knowledge of gains is second hand only, if someone could post avg pc payout that would be great.

I will call myself out I am a horribad player and generally do even worse when I am in a squad because I rp team work and follow around my squad mates instead of point hoeing. I spend most of my time dropping and defending uplinks when I do slay I do ok so my choices are good k/d or good point gain and at this point I need the sp also it helps my team.

I understand your point you want a gamemode where people can que up solo only, then they put teams together. What I'm trying to explain is we don't have a big enough player base. You ever wonder why you run into the same people over and over? I've seriously been in a match with just about everyone who posts on the forums... that doesn't happen in bigger games like COD. They can create multiple game modes because have a big enough player base to do so. At this stage in DUST we barely have enough people playing to support having FW around.

I enjoy playing with other people in squads. If you think I'm not going to run in squads because we stomped you, you are sadly mistaken.

Use squadfinder & run with better players....

...or continue to get pounded if you continue to run solo.

The choice is yours.

That said, I do agree we need a little time in the war barge. 30 seconds is fine.

We are all gluttons for punishment that is why we are still here, but a lot of people are not. While the op speaks with passion I think the health of the game is his intent. What he proposes isn't a one sided goal because a rising tide raises all ships vets get more noobs to trash, noobs get a better experience, an increased player base increases the population of all game modes, and potentially bring a higher profit for ccp.

A lobster doesn't scream when you boil it slowly. :D

The incredibly rare random vs random matches are always fun to play.

The reality is I'd stomp you with or without my squad.

I play with experienced players and newer members alike.

Don't pretend to know how I play or with whom.

Don't like being beaten by players better than you? Practice.
Don't like being beaten by squads? Join one.
Don't like being beaten by players familiar with each other using teamwork? Try it yourself.

Just don't tell me to not enjoy the game the way I want to enjoy it because you don't like getting beat.

Nobody did me any favors when I started playing this game. I got stomped relentlessly.

What did I do? It certainly didn't entail QQing on the forums.

I tried what beat me. I learned. I adapted. I got better.

You might try it too.

Or you might QQ.

The choice is yours.

I think 30 seconds to a minute in the warbarge isn't a bad idea, but for what you seem to be wanting I think auto-squading is the answer.

We had it in beta, you were thrown in a squad as you entered the warbarge.

So, tell me what to do.

Should I not squad up?

Should I only run militia fits?

Should I not use a mic?

Should I let you win?

It isn't the protostompers fault necessarily. They earned their SP and they can run any fit they choose. As for squading up, well that's a core part of Dust: squad-based gameplay.

No, this is matchmaking's fault for not putting the protostompers up against other protostompers.

My squad of three got shunted into a match against Leadfoot10 + squad once. I swear the other 13 blueberries were randoms. I saw one guy swapping fittings at the supply depot in our redline for 3 minutes...

It is not Leadfoot10's fault Scotty gave me window-licker teammates.

I think the reason so many people like Dust is directly related to it's difficulty and depth. I don't think you are going to get much traction asking to have public matches reduced to solo only game modes where you get some time in the warbarge to build up random squads.

That would suck for everyone when the answer for the sane human would be to find a better group to squad up with. I hope they don't dumb down Dust to the COD lobby shooter level.

We're already doing that.

Either Legion happens or it doesn't, and it will be on PC first (if not only). Dust is not going to be the game we expected. Doesn't mean we should disavow everything that we like about the game just to appease a few people still here who think Dust can rise from the ashes and become a top 5 shooter while still being on the PS3 if only we do this, that and the other thing.

The Dust name is rusted and no about of sanding is going to eliminate that. That's the main reason for the name change. A fresh start, even though it wont be "fresh" because any reviewer worth a damn is going to remember Dust and bring it up in their review.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui has changed his argument through out the last 3 pages. Then refuses to discuss it with anyone with an opposing opinion. That is entirely his prerogative, however, he can't come to the forums with his "solution" without being able to defend it. He completely side steps peoples legitimate questions and focuses on only his point.

If he can't make his argument succinctly and defend it against questions, it's not going to gain traction.

And he still hasn't answered my questions

No worries, bro, we all want this game to be more popular and successful.

If I may offer you some advice, it would be to focus more on the solution and less on the problem.

We all want a more competitive and popular game. The question is how to go about it, not what's causing it or who is at fault.

QFT
srsly dude, stop.
Here, this is all we need to talk about.

Match making.

Its doesn't exist. Why? Too small a player base. K... so what do we need t do? Get more players. How do we do that? Balance the game and improve npe.

How do we balance the game? Fixing the fuking bugs and horse crap game design.....exactly like Rattati's doing. And the illuminatii that pull the cpms strings say npe is beimg worked on.

So this game is *incredibly slowly* on the right track.

At this point if you cant see that, youre fuktarded.

Straight up dude.

Ratatti might be two years too late, but hes doing the best he can with the little bit he has. Be patient and stfu for once.

Listen here slapass, your pedantic ranting is mind-numbingly infuriating; you havent put forth a solid argument or idea since prior to fanfest and everything after has been a how-to guide to polarize and isolate the playerbase.

Youd make a helluva congressman, but a rather terrible community member.

Look at what you were asking for in this thread.
It took 4 pages but I whittled it down and summed it up in my prior post.

Why couldn't you have done that in the first place instead of this whirlwind, bleeding heart ego trip you took all for a ride on?

Shi t dont happen over night when you a 5-man crew desperately trying to fix this broken game, while proof-of-concept testing legion into at the same time.

Drop squad maximum to four, bring back the warbage and push all combatents into a squad by default, giving them the option to opt out and go solo before the battle starts.

See, good feed back can be generated in 5 lines.
Not pages.

Shin, id be more receptive to anything you'd say if it wasn't presented in an arrogant, all or nothing tone. If you were looking for actual conversation you still wouldnt be ignoring rayrays questions.

Nor would you have accusatory tones with straw man arguments.

Come on bud, I know you can do better, I've seen it before.

Also, seeing another *matches are borked, fix nao!* thread is enough to **** off anyone.

Cause they've been main page discussions for weeks now. : /

If we just squad people up it doesn't change their ability to compete, because they do not have the sp or tactics that a pre formed vet squad. The problem persists and escalates as the population ages vet>noob. This furthers new player strife, causes any population booms to be lost, and eventually degrades the likelihood of a sustainable player base to zero.