DUST Search - CR Balance Mechanics

Atiim wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

Over usage can tip us off to overperformance. I should amend my statement with "CR users in my killfeed are getting kills, but rarely getting killed themselves". Maybe that will crystallize my point.

At the same time, overuse can point out underuse among other weapons which are meant to compete with it. An easy example would be with how SMGs and SCPs were overused in comparison to the other sidearms before the Sidearm Rebalance, dispite being relatively balanced as weapons.

As for what's in your killfeed, it's antedotal and too situational to be taken seriously. Mainly because there are many different factors which can cause such things to happen, such as:

How skilled the players are.
How skilled the players' opponents are.
What builds the players are using.
What builds the players' opponents are using.
What area/maps the players are on.
etc, etc.

Ripley Riley wrote:

I don't understand your position... you are against us being shown data on the CR? Are you concerned that it will be balanced appropriately?

If I'm wrong then the data will still be nice to see. If I'm right, then a weapon that needs balancing will be fixed.

Now your just being silly.

Not one time in my post did I claim to have any opposition against data for the CR being shown to the general playerbase. Given how I don't work for CCP (nor am I a CPM) my theoretical opposition wouldn't hold any weight anyways.

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Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4612	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:43:00 - [31] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope. WTF! LMAO Nooooooooo please go home Ripley, you're drunk. CR is very much fine. It's scope actually IS PART of it's balancing mechanic...it's worse off in those ranges where the ACR can ADS...you try ADS'ing in just outside CQC ranges and your FoV is fugged up. This is WHY people already prefer the ACR to the CR.... This bullshit needs to chillax. The RoF is perfect because it has a very good 'rhythm' to it. How about you tell me what buff it should receive if you're going to give it "a balancing mechanic" B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4612	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:45:00 - [32] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Bright Steel wrote: I do believe it could is a rate of fire decrease. Who can hit the trigger 6.67 times per second with out a turbo controller??? That's the problem, turbo controllers I can easily do that. I wouldn't even need to try. That's only 400 RoF. I could fire at 400 while drugged... Actually, if you can't do that, you need to get your hands checked. You might have a medical issue. On the few occasions that I actually use the CR, I have to throttle myself pretty damn hard not to oversample it. Since the ScR gots its RoF Nerf, I've oversampled that 2 times. I remember because it was jarring. That's 600 RoF. 400 is child's play. Ya damn right...actually it's VERY easy to 'oversample' the CR and lose out on DPS because it's so easy to press too quickly. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4871	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:50:00 - [33] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: How about you tell me what buff it should receive if you're going to give it "a balancing mechanic" N/a Buffing a weapon that is already overperforming is silly My advice to you, playa...
John ShepardIII Capital Acquisitions LLC 1073	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:53:00 - [34] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: How about you tell me what buff it should receive if you're going to give it "a balancing mechanic" N/a Buffing a weapon that is already overperforming is silly -_- your useless The True Shepard Lvl 1 Forum Warrior
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4871	Posted - 2014.11.17 17:54:00 - [35] - Quote John ShepardIII wrote: -_- you're useless Take that back, I spot your vs. you're errors very well, thank you very much. My advice to you, playa...
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4614	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:35:00 - [36] - Quote Where is it 'overperforming'? Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4873	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:38:00 - [37] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Where is it 'overperforming'? Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? The top weapons in my killfeed are the HMG and CR, in that order. Ask Rattati for a wider sample size. Prove me wrong My advice to you, playa...
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13774	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:42:00 - [38] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Where is it 'overperforming'? Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? The top weapons in my killfeed are the HMG and CR, in that order. Ask Rattati for a wider sample size and then post it somewhere for review. Prove my hypothesis wrong Quantity does not equate to quality. Not only that, but of course you'd have weapons with heavy Anti-Armor bias (+15%) be used more than others in an environment where more players use Armor than Shield. There's no need to prove you wrong when the point you're trying to prove is flawed. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4875	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:46:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Quantity does not equate to quality. Not only that, but of course you'd have weapons with heavy Anti-Armor bias (+15%) be used more than others in an environment where more players use Armor than Shield. There's no need to prove you wrong when the point you're trying to prove is flawed. Over usage can tip us off to overperformance. I should amend my statement with "CR users in my killfeed are getting kills, but rarely getting killed themselves". Maybe that will crystallize my point. I don't understand your position... you are against us being shown data on the CR? Are you concerned that it will be balanced appropriately? If I'm wrong then the data will still be nice to see. If I'm right, then a weapon that needs balancing will be fixed. My advice to you, playa...
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 643	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:49:00 - [40] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Bright Steel wrote: I do believe it could is a rate of fire decrease. Who can hit the trigger 6.67 times per second with out a turbo controller??? That's the problem, turbo controllers I can easily do that. I wouldn't even need to try. That's only 400 RoF. I could fire at 400 while drugged... Actually, if you can't do that, you need to get your hands checked. You might have a medical issue. On the few occasions that I actually use the CR, I have to throttle myself pretty damn hard not to oversample it. Since the ScR gots its RoF Nerf, I've oversampled that 2 times. I remember because it was jarring. That's 600 RoF. 400 is child's play. Yeah, 400's not that hard if you were talking about something like the SCR, but remember that with the CR you also have a 0.06 second pause between each burst. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4616	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:49:00 - [41] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Where is it 'overperforming'? Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? The top weapons in my killfeed are the HMG and CR, in that order. Ask Rattati for a wider sample size and then post it somewhere for review. Prove my hypothesis wrong Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP" I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this.... Welp, this thread can officially be trashed. Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming" Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it" B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4883	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:52:00 - [42] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP" I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this.... Welp, this thread can officially be trashed. Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming" Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it" You are fighting my anecdotal evidence with your own anecdotal evidence Let's recap, I'm open to data being shown to invalidate my theory. You are not. I wonder why... so how many CR skills are you capped out in, Zatara? I will reiterate: I could be wrong. Can you poke Rattati for a simple question, "Is the CR in the top 7 highest performing weapons in pubs?" or something like that? My advice to you, playa...
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 299	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:53:00 - [43] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Bright Steel wrote: I do believe it could is a rate of fire decrease. Who can hit the trigger 6.67 times per second with out a turbo controller??? That's the problem, turbo controllers I can easily do that. I wouldn't even need to try. That's only 400 RoF. I could fire at 400 while drugged... Actually, if you can't do that, you need to get your hands checked. You might have a medical issue. On the few occasions that I actually use the CR, I have to throttle myself pretty damn hard not to oversample it. Since the ScR gots its RoF Nerf, I've oversampled that 2 times. I remember because it was jarring. That's 600 RoF. 400 is child's play. Yeah, 400's not that hard if you were talking about something like the SCR, but remember that with the CR you also have a 0.06 second pause between each burst. I would like to see actual user applied damage per sec with combat rifle and not Just potential The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1929	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:57:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope. you mean lower the ROF.. i would say no to scope removal as CR is the precision rifle where as the ACR is the BRRRRRAP! u dead MF.. gun of choice for most people who spray and pray. HOWEVER! when lag is present and you try to fire too fast the rythem gets messed the hell up and you end up bursting twice missing one and bursting once then missing and bursting twice.. iv been useing CR since day one of joining dust and the burst rifles perform poorly when on lag ridden matches/maps/enviroments (stormy for some reason) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4883	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:00:00 - [45] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: you mean lower the ROF.. i would say no to scope removal as CR is the precision rifle where as the ACR is the BRRRRRAP! u dead MF.. gun of choice for most people who spray and pray. Fair enough. I was't going to say that the scope needs to be removed AND the RoF dropped. Either or is fine. Apothecary Za'ki wrote: HOWEVER! when lag is present and you try to fire too fast the rhythm gets messed the hell up and you end up bursting twice missing one and bursting once then missing and bursting twice.. I've been using CR since day one of joining dust and the burst rifles perform poorly when on lag ridden matches/maps/environments (stormy for some reason) That is unfortunate. I have used the burst AR in the past and I believe I know what you are talking about here. My advice to you, playa...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1932	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:01:00 - [46] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Where is it 'overperforming'? Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? The top weapons in my killfeed are the HMG and CR, in that order. Ask Rattati for a wider sample size and then post it somewhere for review. Prove my hypothesis wrong Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP" I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this.... Welp, this thread can officially be trashed. Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming" Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it" CR is somewhat balanced as it blows vs cal assaults and cal/gal heavies with large shield buffers.. the "overperformace" which the whiners are reffering to is the 30% armor damage (at Prof 5) but that is a given cause of the frequancy of people bricking armor of course people will use a CR more.. best used just after you flux the target for maximum prolapsed anus. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2018	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:03:00 - [47] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Stay on topic please. On topic, did you mean an active reload mechanic like in Gears of War? If so, I think that's a bad idea. You're basically just introducing dozens of quick time events to every game played with a CR, which would be enough to make anyone give up on the weapon. Quick time events are the opposite of fun, innovative, emergent gameplay. They are for games that have more cutscene than game. Keep it out of my online FPS thanks.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1932	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:03:00 - [48] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: you mean lower the ROF.. i would say no to scope removal as CR is the precision rifle where as the ACR is the BRRRRRAP! u dead MF.. gun of choice for most people who spray and pray. Fair enough. I was't going to say that the scope needs to be removed AND the RoF dropped. Either or is fine. Apothecary Za'ki wrote: HOWEVER! when lag is present and you try to fire too fast the rhythm gets messed the hell up and you end up bursting twice missing one and bursting once then missing and bursting twice.. I've been using CR since day one of joining dust and the burst rifles perform poorly when on lag ridden matches/maps/environments (stormy for some reason) That is unfortunate. I have used the burst AR in the past and I believe I know what you are talking about here. burst AR feels much different then the CR as burst AR fires bursts of 4 bullets and isnt really great at hipfire its more a stand still and fire type gun where CR is a little more forgiving [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13774	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:05:00 - [49] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Atiim wrote: Quantity does not equate to quality. Not only that, but of course you'd have weapons with heavy Anti-Armor bias (+15%) be used more than others in an environment where more players use Armor than Shield. There's no need to prove you wrong when the point you're trying to prove is flawed. Over usage can tip us off to overperformance. I should amend my statement with "CR users in my killfeed are getting kills, but rarely getting killed themselves". Maybe that will crystallize my point. I don't understand your position... you are against us being shown data on the CR? Are you concerned that it will be balanced appropriately? If I'm wrong then the data will still be nice to see. If I'm right, then a weapon that needs balancing will be fixed. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4616	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:08:00 - [50] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP" I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this.... Welp, this thread can officially be trashed. Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming" Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it" You are fighting my anecdotal evidence with your own anecdotal evidence Let's recap, I'm open to data being shown to invalidate my theory. You are not. I wonder why... so how many CR skills are you capped out in, Zatara? I will reiterate: I could be wrong. Can you poke Rattati for a simple question, "Is the CR in the top 7 highest performing weapons in pubs?" or something like that? See that's the funny thing...I respecced out of CR's...I don't have a dog in the fight here. Where did I give anecdotal evidence that opposed yours? I simply disregarded yours, lol. I'm quite open to data being shown...where did I say I wasn't. This whole path I get down with forum users where inevitably they try to assert **** like this gets so old. Seriously. Anybody who can read this and has a brain is going to see this and laugh. Anyways...just because a weapon is being used in pubs more often doesn't even mean it's OP. You need to get that through your skull. It could mean any number of things...for instance it may just be that it's simply MUCH more 'fun' to use/'feels' good to use. That's a problem of the other rifles needing to be evaluated. The litmus test for if something is OP is seeing it's abuse in PC. And last data that we got...it isn't. Not even on the top 10. What significant buffs has it received for you to assert those numbers should have spiked? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4883	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:15:00 - [51] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: This whole path I get down with forum users where inevitably they try to assert ** like this gets so old. Seriously. I guess I haven't said it enough... I'm willing be wrong, I just don't believe I am. I would love some data to prove one way or the other. Zatara Rought wrote:** What significant buffs has it received for you to assert those numbers should have spiked? I never said it received buffs. It didn't need them, it's been powerful from the get-go. The +5% bonus to armor helped it along though. My advice to you, playa...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1932	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:16:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: Needs to be revised, for some reason the post didn't go through properly. i think it dosnt need to be revised, it sucks against shields, excells against armor.. it has a 3 bullet burst which is equal to a single shot of a SCR which is the polar opposite of the CR in terms of damage profile.. simple rebuttle could be.. you hate CR? RUN SHIELD SUITS! you hate SCR? RUN ARMOR SUITS! its rock paper scissors... Cr < shield < SCR < armor < CR and nerfing the CR would mean nerfing the only truly viable weapon system againt bricked armor suits as we all know RR sucks in CQB where as the CR is a CQB weapon. its like this... (Skirmish)RR good vs armor, mid-long range, sucks at short. (CQB)CR good vs armor, short-mid range. sucks at long. now the opposing weapons.. (skirmish) SCR good vs shields, mid-long range, so-so at short. (CQB) AR good vs shields, short-mid range, sucks at long. now lets also look at this.. a SCR is like 60-70 dmg a shot.. CR is like 20dmg a shot but shoots 3 bullets per burst so thats like 60 to 63 dmg per shot.. HOWEVER! any one who uses burst weapons knows that it starts to underperform when lag is present as you start to miss fireing any shots so the fire rythem gets out of sync so you can shoot a couple times then expect another clean shot but it dosnt even arrive.. you do not get this problem with semi auto or full auto weapons in dust. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4619	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:24:00 - [53] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: This whole path I get down with forum users where inevitably they try to assert ** like this gets so old. Seriously. I guess I haven't said it enough... I'm willing be wrong, I just don't believe I am. I would love some data to prove one way or the other. Zatara Rought wrote: What significant buffs has it received for you to assert those numbers should have spiked? I never said it received buffs. It didn't need them, it's been powerful from the get-go. The +5% bonus to armor helped it along though. Hey!!! We're getting somewhere! So no discussions of nerfs unless numbers support anecdotal evidence! As for the 2nd quote...I got the wording wrong there, and changed it...not before you got to it though, apologies for the confusion. I could be quite wrong as well, and I'd almost preferred if CCP got into a habit of bi weekly or monthly posts to the community that put data like this transparently, and then had open discussions about interpreting the numbers. But yeah...nerfing ** without numbers to back it up...no no no. And the latest numbers? Nope CR is not OP. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1932	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:24:00 - [54] - Quote how about a damage profile change for the CQB weapons? id propose ar short range AR going from +10(25% @ prof 5) shield and -10 armor to 10% shield and -10(+5% @ prof 5) armor this would make the AR the CQBeast it is ment to be! CR short-mid and the CR go from -15% shields and +15% armor (+30% @ prof 5) to -15% shields(0% @ prof 5) and +15% armor these changes are to not make the weapons excell at what they are good at but help nullify that which they are NOT good at, meaning heavy SP investment pays off. i would also like the burst AR tweeked to feel/act more like the CR, 3 bullets instead of 4 bullets per burst and adjust damage per shot accortingly with ROF too. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1932	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:28:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Over usage can tip us off to overperformance. I should amend my statement with "CR users in my killfeed are getting kills, but rarely getting killed themselves". Maybe that will crystallize my point. At the same time, overuse can point out underuse among other weapons which are meant to compete with it. An easy example would be with how SMGs and SCPs were overused in comparison to the other sidearms before the Sidearm Rebalance, dispite being relatively balanced as weapons. As for what's in your killfeed, it's antedotal and too situational to be taken seriously. Mainly because there are many different factors which can cause such things to happen, such as: How skilled the players are. How skilled the players' opponents are. What builds the players are using. What builds the players' opponents are using. What area/maps the players are on. etc, etc. Ripley Riley wrote: I don't understand your position... you are against us being shown data on the CR? Are you concerned that it will be balanced appropriately? If I'm wrong then the data will still be nice to see. If I'm right, then a weapon that needs balancing will be fixed. Now your just being silly. Not one time in my post did I claim to have any opposition against data for the CR being shown to the general playerbase. Given how I don't work for CCP (nor am I a CPM) my theoretical opposition wouldn't hold any weight anyways. we need to take into account CR has the lowest fitting of all the ARs and best damage vs armor bricks.. this coupled with flux nades makes for a great weapon.. but when you run out of flux nades you really feel its penality vs shields.. due to its low fitting its a favourite of most logi and most scouts.. since logi is nearly dead its the scouts fault for the CR to look like its over performing due to numerous RR nerfs to make it less viable as a cqb weapon where as the CR is still good at cqb [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 310	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:31:00 - [56] - Quote This is all off topic sadly, but I will add that it was buffed because while at max shields and armor it is a net nerf, but considering the viability of shield stacking the profile change was a buff. Now please whether you think it needs a nerf or buff is off topic just consider it the brainstorming exercise that it is. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 310	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:31:00 - [57] - Quote This is all off topic sadly, but I will add that it was buffed because while at max shields and armor it is a net nerf, but considering the viability of shield stacking the profile change was a buff. Now please whether you think it needs a nerf or buff is off topic just consider it the brainstorming exercise that it is. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4885	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:33:00 - [58] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: So no discussions of nerfs unless numbers support anecdotal evidence! Zatara Rought wrote: But yeah...nerfing ** without numbers to back it up...no no no. Homie, I offered up ways to balance the CR (remove the scope, increase time between bursts). If Rattati followed up my post with, "CR is dragging behind the other rifles in Kills Per Death and Kills per Second" you and I both know I wouldn't have pushed for anything resembling a nerf. We'd be talking about ways to make the CR perform better right now. Data trumps my opinions on a weapon. All day, e'rry day. So don't act like I'm pushing an agenda. Zatara Rought wrote:** I could be quite wrong as well, and I'd almost preferred if CCP got into a habit of bi weekly or monthly posts to the community that put data like this transparently, and then had open discussions about interpreting the numbers. This would be awesome. More than awesome; this would be a powerful tool for the community to self-monitor for the abuse of a weapon or dropsuit. If a certain fitting starts ripping whole teams to shreds then we could cite the 'monthly data' as proof and lend some credence to our arguments. As it stands now, we just sword fight with our e-dicks in General Discussion My advice to you, playa...
Unholy HateGore highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 11	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:35:00 - [59] - Quote **** I would worry more about the Breach AR more than anything. Lately that's what most people are wrecking with. I like my CR and don't want to see it get nerfed. We have enough of that going on right now.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 310	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:39:00 - [60] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: This is all off topic sadly, but I will add that it was buffed because while at max shields and armor it is a net nerf, but considering the viability of shield stacking the profile change was a buff. Now please whether you think it needs a nerf or buff is off topic just consider it the brainstorming exercise that it is. This^ The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc



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