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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:57:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:45:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:BOY, I will... Well I will do something  That's why I always spec CR It's suppose to be tactical. Then we need a 'Tactical' variant of the CR 
It's too good at too many things right now. Respectable damage and range, non-existent recoil, good clip size, low fitting requirements, projectile damage profile (15% armor damage is incredibly handy when the metagame is strongly leaning armor).
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:09:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Clip size??? Compared to what?
You can only engage one and a half enemies per clip!!!
That's why the CR philosophy of ALWAYS RELOAD is so important.
And a side arm is a must.
CR clip size (non-assault): 54
AR clip size: 60
6 round difference and the AR is a full-auto weapon.
CR clip size (Minmatar assault V): 67
...then there is this So when fitted to the light weapon specialist dropsuit you can fire even longer between reloads. When you do finally have to reload...
Reload speeds
RR: 3.2s
AR: 3.0s
CR: 2.6s
ScR: 2.5s
The CR has the second fastest reload speed too. The ScR beats it by 0.1s, but it also has an overheat mechanic that can actually kill you and seizes up your weapon.
The CR has the lowest fitting requirements of all frontline rifles to boot.
Basically, I have no idea why anyone would use anything besides a CR on a Minmatar assault/commando, any logi, any scout unless you are roleplaying your character. The gun is good at everything except long range engagements; the RR trumps it there, but suffers a pitiful CQC penalty for it.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:16:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Because breach AR. The BAR is a weird, thuggish version of the AR that I believe needs a tweak too. It doesn't need a weakness, like the CR, it needs to have it's range examined.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:50:00 -
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N/a
Buffing a weapon that is already overperforming is silly
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:54:00 -
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John ShepardIII wrote:-_- you're useless Take that back, I spot your vs. you're errors very well, thank you very much.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:38:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Where is it 'overperforming'?
Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? The top weapons in my killfeed are the HMG and CR, in that order. Ask Rattati for a wider sample size. Prove me wrong 
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Quantity does not equate to quality.
Not only that, but of course you'd have weapons with heavy Anti-Armor bias (+15%) be used more than others in an environment where more players use Armor than Shield.
There's no need to prove you wrong when the point you're trying to prove is flawed. Over usage can tip us off to overperformance. I should amend my statement with "CR users in my killfeed are getting kills, but rarely getting killed themselves". Maybe that will crystallize my point.
I don't understand your position... you are against us being shown data on the CR? Are you concerned that it will be balanced appropriately?
If I'm wrong then the data will still be nice to see. If I'm right, then a weapon that needs balancing will be fixed.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:52:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP" I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this....  Welp, this thread can officially be trashed. Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming" Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it"
You are fighting my anecdotal evidence with your own anecdotal evidence Let's recap, I'm open to data being shown to invalidate my theory. You are not.
I wonder why... so how many CR skills are you capped out in, Zatara?
I will reiterate: I could be wrong. Can you poke Rattati for a simple question, "Is the CR in the top 7 highest performing weapons in pubs?" or something like that?
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:00:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:you mean lower the ROF.. i would say no to scope removal as CR is the precision rifle where as the ACR is the BRRRRRAP! u dead MF.. gun of choice for most people who spray and pray. Fair enough. I was't going to say that the scope needs to be removed AND the RoF dropped. Either or is fine.
Apothecary Za'ki wrote:HOWEVER!
when lag is present and you try to fire too fast the rhythm gets messed the hell up and you end up bursting twice missing one and bursting once then missing and bursting twice..
I've been using CR since day one of joining dust and the burst rifles perform poorly when on lag ridden matches/maps/environments (stormy for some reason) That is unfortunate. I have used the burst AR in the past and I believe I know what you are talking about here.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:15:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:This whole path I get down with forum users where inevitably they try to assert **** like this gets so old. Seriously. I guess I haven't said it enough... I'm willing be wrong, I just don't believe I am. I would love some data to prove one way or the other.
Zatara Rought wrote:What significant buffs has it received for you to assert those numbers should have spiked? I never said it received buffs. It didn't need them, it's been powerful from the get-go. The +5% bonus to armor helped it along though.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:33:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:So no discussions of nerfs unless numbers support anecdotal evidence!
Zatara Rought wrote:But yeah...nerfing **** without numbers to back it up...no no no.
Homie, I offered up ways to balance the CR (remove the scope, increase time between bursts). If Rattati followed up my post with, "CR is dragging behind the other rifles in Kills Per Death and Kills per Second" you and I both know I wouldn't have pushed for anything resembling a nerf. We'd be talking about ways to make the CR perform better right now.
Data trumps my opinions on a weapon. All day, e'rry day.
So don't act like I'm pushing an agenda.
Zatara Rought wrote:I could be quite wrong as well, and I'd almost preferred if CCP got into a habit of bi weekly or monthly posts to the community that put data like this transparently, and then had open discussions about interpreting the numbers. This would be awesome. More than awesome; this would be a powerful tool for the community to self-monitor for the abuse of a weapon or dropsuit. If a certain fitting starts ripping whole teams to shreds then we could cite the 'monthly data' as proof and lend some credence to our arguments.
As it stands now, we just sword fight with our e-dicks in General Discussion
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.17 21:53:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:The CR is barely used in PC. And as we all know, PC is the sole game mode you can play in Dust 514. All other modes are just tutorials for PC.
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