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Blueprint For Murder
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:36:00 -
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The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas.
I have one of my own that I think would be pretty easy and increase the skill cap on the rifle it is making it manual reload.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:53:00 -
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It does require manual reload some times, very frustrating.
Trying to remember to always reload... Always reload.... Shot 5 bullets, always reload....
With such a small clip size you have to ALWAYS RELOAD.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:57:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope.
My advice to you, playa...
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Blueprint For Murder
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:05:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:It does require manual reload some times, very frustrating.
Trying to remember to always reload... Always reload.... Shot 5 bullets, always reload....
With such a small clip size you have to ALWAYS RELOAD.
Yea I do the same thing, but when your in combat is when it becomes a balancing factor during those moments of excitement.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:19:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:It does require manual reload some times, very frustrating.
Trying to remember to always reload... Always reload.... Shot 5 bullets, always reload....
With such a small clip size you have to ALWAYS RELOAD.
This is pretty close to falling into Poe's Law, to be honest. 
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:20:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope.
Don't you dare remove my scope!!!!!!
BOY, I will... Well I will do something 
That's why I always spec CR
It's suppose to be tactical.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:21:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:It does require manual reload some times, very frustrating.
Trying to remember to always reload... Always reload.... Shot 5 bullets, always reload....
With such a small clip size you have to ALWAYS RELOAD.
And this is why the CR on the Min Assault is amazing
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:22:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope. Don't you dare remove my scope!!!!!! BOY, I will... Well I will do something That's why I always spec CR It's suppose to be tactical.
Thing is decent in CQC, but it really shines at around 50m.
Full damage application, AR's have a harder time and ScR and RR are too close to reliably hit you if you strafe well.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:43:00 -
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-Weak Against Shields
-Low TTE means shorter engagement times
Not sure who said it, but whoever thinks the Scope needs to be removed should be slapped with a trout.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:45:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:BOY, I will... Well I will do something That's why I always spec CR It's suppose to be tactical. Then we need a 'Tactical' variant of the CR 
It's too good at too many things right now. Respectable damage and range, non-existent recoil, good clip size, low fitting requirements, projectile damage profile (15% armor damage is incredibly handy when the metagame is strongly leaning armor).
My advice to you, playa...
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:59:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:BOY, I will... Well I will do something That's why I always spec CR It's suppose to be tactical. Then we need a 'Tactical' variant of the CR It's too good at too many things right now. Respectable damage and range, non-existent recoil, good clip size, low fitting requirements, projectile damage profile (15% armor damage is incredibly handy when the metagame is strongly leaning armor).
Clip size??? Compared to what?
You can only engage one and a half enemies per clip!!!
That's why the CR philosophy of ALWAYS RELOAD is so important.
And a side arm is a must.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:01:00 -
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I do believe it could is a rate of fire decrease.
Who can hit the trigger 6.67 times per second with out a turbo controller???
That's the problem, turbo controllers
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:09:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Clip size??? Compared to what?
You can only engage one and a half enemies per clip!!!
That's why the CR philosophy of ALWAYS RELOAD is so important.
And a side arm is a must.
CR clip size (non-assault): 54
AR clip size: 60
6 round difference and the AR is a full-auto weapon.
CR clip size (Minmatar assault V): 67
...then there is this So when fitted to the light weapon specialist dropsuit you can fire even longer between reloads. When you do finally have to reload...
Reload speeds
RR: 3.2s
AR: 3.0s
CR: 2.6s
ScR: 2.5s
The CR has the second fastest reload speed too. The ScR beats it by 0.1s, but it also has an overheat mechanic that can actually kill you and seizes up your weapon.
The CR has the lowest fitting requirements of all frontline rifles to boot.
Basically, I have no idea why anyone would use anything besides a CR on a Minmatar assault/commando, any logi, any scout unless you are roleplaying your character. The gun is good at everything except long range engagements; the RR trumps it there, but suffers a pitiful CQC penalty for it.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:10:00 -
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Bright that is a pretty big factor among a few rifles. Lets try to stay away from direct nerfs the devs will handle that lets just stick to unique things that make it a little more fun and a little harder to play.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
2014
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:14:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Basically, I have no idea why anyone would use anything besides a CR on a Minmatar assault/commando, any logi, any scout unless you are roleplaying your character.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:16:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Because breach AR. The BAR is a weird, thuggish version of the AR that I believe needs a tweak too. It doesn't need a weakness, like the CR, it needs to have it's range examined.
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Blueprint For Murder
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:19:00 -
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Stay on topic please.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:20:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Clip size??? Compared to what?
You can only engage one and a half enemies per clip!!!
That's why the CR philosophy of ALWAYS RELOAD is so important.
And a side arm is a must. CR clip size (non-assault): 54 AR clip size: 60 6 round difference and the AR is a full-auto weapon. CR clip size (Minmatar assault V): 67 ...then there is this So when fitted to the light weapon specialist dropsuit you can fire even longer between reloads. When you do finally have to reload... Reload speeds RR: 3.2s AR: 3.0s CR: 2.6s ScR: 2.5s The CR has the second fastest reload speed too. The ScR beats it by 0.1s, but it also has an overheat mechanic that can actually kill you and seizes up your weapon. The CR has the lowest fitting requirements of all frontline rifles to boot. Basically, I have no idea why anyone would use anything besides a CR on a Minmatar assault/commando, any logi, any scout unless you are roleplaying your character. The gun is good at everything except long range engagements; the RR trumps it there, but suffers a pitiful CQC penalty for it.
We got to look at damage per clip and not clip size.
Repeatedly it has been commented on that the small clip size/damage per clip is the short coming of the CR.
That's why they have a fast reload because they figure your going to ALWAYS RELOAD.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:23:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Bright that is a pretty big factor among a few rifles. Lets try to stay away from direct nerfs the devs will handle that lets just stick to unique things that make it a little more fun and a little harder to play.
I see what your getting at and I believe:
Hip fire min disperse and kick increase, but I say again HIP FIRE only
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Blueprint For Murder
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:34:00 -
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How about a actual jamming mechanic (not like the ion bug) but a rng reload roll it is a projectile weapon and this happens time to time with open bolt systems.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:38:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:How about a actual jamming mechanic (not like the ion bug) a rng roll for reload it is a projectile weapon and this happens quite often with open bolt systems.
Only if you fired too quickly, like more than 2 burst a second.
Otherwise i would be pissed if I randomly died when it jammed, cause that's what would happen.
If that did happen I would expect the others to experience random malfunctions...
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Blueprint For Murder
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:41:00 -
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I like that, leaving it up to the player to screw themselves it would also likely put an end to turbo you sneaky bugger :D.
Not to get off topic, but I wish they would have done something like that with the cloak delay. Like a damage debuff instead of just not being able to fire that way scouts would have a chance to expose themselves.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:49:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:I like that, leaving it up to the player to screw themselves it would also likely put an end to turbo you sneaky bugger :D.
Not to get off topic, but I wish they would have done something like that with the cloak delay. Like a damage debuff instead of just not being able to fire that way scouts would have a chance to expose themselves.
+5 ^
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:09:00 -
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As a armor bricked Amarr Assault...
The CR isn't as bad as you guys are making it out to be.
The only issue I see with it is its fitting costs. Its easier to fit a CR than it is to fit an SMG. That just seems odd to me. I would imagine it would at least use more than the SMG.
Its other stats seem fine to me.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:10:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas.
I have one of my own that I think would be pretty easy and increase the skill cap on the rifle it is making it manual reload.
Ops I meant to put this in features my bad.
CR is balanced just use shield suits against it and laugh at the -15% dmg to shields.. noob
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:11:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:As a armor bricked Amarr Assault...
The CR isn't as bad as you guys are making it out to be.
The only issue I see with it is its fitting costs. Its easier to fit a CR than it is to fit an SMG. That just seems odd to me. I would imagine it would at least use more than the SMG.
Its other stats seem fine to me.
its not easier to fit then an smg, however its slightly more then normal or breach but abotu equal to assault smg.. this probably played into the hands of the scout+CR domination pre-damage profile nerf
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:14:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:As a armor bricked Amarr Assault...
The CR isn't as bad as you guys are making it out to be.
The only issue I see with it is its fitting costs. Its easier to fit a CR than it is to fit an SMG. That just seems odd to me. I would imagine it would at least use more than the SMG.
Its other stats seem fine to me.
QUITE YOU!!! Our its fine!!!
It's meant to complement the matari's low PG/CPU on heir suites but it is unbalanced on other suites
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:16:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:I do believe it could is a rate of fire decrease.
Who can hit the trigger 6.67 times per second with out a turbo controller???
That's the problem, turbo controllers
I can easily do that. I wouldn't even need to try. That's only 400 RoF. I could fire at 400 while drugged...
Actually, if you can't do that, you need to get your hands checked. You might have a medical issue.
On the few occasions that I actually use the CR, I have to throttle myself pretty damn hard not to oversample it.
Since the ScR gots its RoF Nerf, I've oversampled that 2 times. I remember because it was jarring. That's 600 RoF.
400 is child's play.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:24:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:How about a actual jamming mechanic (not like the ion bug) a rng roll for reload it is a projectile weapon and this happens quite often with open bolt systems.
RNG mechanics are bad. No. The only randomness in a competitve shooter should be dispersion.
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:36:00 -
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CR doesn't need a change
It's only really good with the Min assault (which the same goes for the SR and the Amarr assault)
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