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Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:33:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Why the sudden spike of monetizing? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7679	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:34:00 - [2] - Quote Hey, if they pump out some quality work, I could care less about how much they monetize it. So far, nothing has been P2W, and that's all I care about. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 788	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:34:00 - [3] - Quote To avoid bankruptcy. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
hfderrtgvcd 1146	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:36:00 - [4] - Quote Dust is shutting down soon so they're milking it for all its worth. Or they just want to feed their families. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2532	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:41:00 - [5] - Quote I can see a few scenarios: 1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility. 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. 3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion. 4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development. Best PvE idea ever!
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2215	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:43:00 - [6] - Quote I see a few possibilities: They are getting sold/are willing to sell soon. If this is the reality, then we, as supporters of the original vision of this game, and to the company as a whole, should wholeheartedly support the devs in showing their prospective purchasers "Hey guys, this game is REALLY profitable!" They are milking us for corporate greed. While this is a possibility, i don't see this as the most likely. They are milking us to fund Legion(whether they ran out, or foresee a shortage) This I wouldn't be opposed to, a company is a company, and it's not like they're putting paywalls in the game for us to spend 50 bucks on tearing down. They are milking us to fund additional DUST development(full racial parity, optimizations, new maps/sockets) This is my best case scenario, as this means we'll be wasting as little potential as possible. The PS3 is still a great system, it's just hard to code for. I mean, look at Crysis and various other games that i'm forgetting. In the end, whatever they're going to do, I support CCP wholeheartedly, both as a company, and as the DEVs for the game that single-handedly turned me into a spreadsheet scanning closet nerd(I already was before, what with Mechwarrior and Armored Core and all, but that wasn't spreadsheet reading and constant theorycrafting) General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
G Felix 130	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote Could be that they're shutting the server down at the end of the fiscal year in February. This would let them show good liquid cash flow in the 3rd and 4th quarters and help them keep shareholders happy. This influx of liquid cash could be the shot in the arm new projects (Legion, Valkyrie) need to see the light of day. Or, it could be that Rattati and his skeleton crew are making a push to show that DUST can still make money and thusly deserves developer man hours. If we all cough up a little dough, maybe we see more racial parity, further customization options, more maps, etc. Could be a good sign, could mean the end. Could just mean CCP needs to scrounge up some Christmas bonuses. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2532	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:51:00 - [8] - Quote G Felix wrote: Could just mean CCP needs to scrounge up some Christmas bonuses. CCP Rattati deserves to get a big one this year! Best PvE idea ever!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2082	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:57:00 - [9] - Quote They want more money. Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear. Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters. One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew. But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 942	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:00:00 - [10] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I can see a few scenarios: 1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility. 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. 3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion. 4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development. mostly 3, with a dash of 4 the best way to get a board of directors and the ceos approval is to show your crazy method actually works. enter 1.9. Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.

Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:05:00 - [11] - Quote I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money.
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:42:00 - [12] - Quote Some interesting answers Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. 5225	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:45:00 - [13] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money. Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10231	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:49:00 - [14] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I can see a few scenarios: 1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility. This is just CEOPyrex talking out of his ass and being a typical troll. Don't take this scenario seriously. If World of Darkness is any indication, the IP to Dust 514 won't be sold off and would likely be shelved for a long time if CCP decides that Dust isn't worth it anymore. But considering that CCP Rattati has brought life back into the game, shelving the game is also highly unlikely. 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. I might bet on this. If this is true, then it seems CEO Hilmar and the investors would be impressed by what CCP Rattati has done for Dust so far. 3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion. This is very likely. CCP Z is the monetization director and might be using Dust as a model of how to balance Legion's microtransactions. 4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development. If they are, not anymore. Especially now that AUR respecs are in the game and triple stacking boosters with EOM instant-boosting is all the rage. Please see bolded parts for answers. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:54:00 - [15] - Quote Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits. And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10231	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:56:00 - [16] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money. Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs Keep in mind that the current financials come out only quarterly. The recent changes won't be reflected on the reports until the next quarterly arrives. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10231	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:57:00 - [17] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits. And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option. It's not pay to win. BPOs and Boosters don't help you win a match. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2217	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:05:00 - [18] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits. And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option. LOL. Dude, you're a riot. P2W? Tell me ONE thing that directly impacts the in-game that cannot (through any means) be obtained in ISK/LP. Early access items? They're not better than the ISK/Skilled into items, and even then, are (or will be) in the LP store. Boosters? That doesn't even effect the in-game, and as such can be written off. Respecs? Maybe, but ultimately they only let a player redirect where their SP be spent, and in no way makes a person completely (even 1%) better than a person who has the same trees maxed. Using AUR items to cut back on ISK losses? Nope, LP items are also there, and while they might still cost ISK, that cost is negligible and does not ultimately effect the in-game, only the neckbeard's egos. Also, you tend to have some utterly moronic ideas, so i'm quite certain we can from now on discount everything you say as vitriol from a good ol' Dust 514 hater. Proof. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1373	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:08:00 - [19] - Quote I think CCP just finally realized that there's still money to be made in Dust. Not only that, but Dust can literally serve as a test server for Legion that they get paid to keep open instead of paying others to work on. I highly doubt they want to suffer another Dust, and balancing everything out before releasing Legion seems like the best way to do that. I want to punch.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17692	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:15:00 - [20] - Quote Dust 514 is a business. Dust 514 believes games should be a service. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:43:00 - [21] - Quote The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 419	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:45:00 - [22] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. I was gonna say this^ Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10236	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:59:00 - [23] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:09:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2219	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:12:00 - [25] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win. Oh, you mean that undeniably, whenever faced: He who brings prototype INSTANTLY wins, unless faced with a higher ISK costing suit? I'll remember to keep that in mind... when i single handedly win a Domination because the enemy refuses to leave their Ck.0 brick scouts to counter my M-1 "quafe" Minja fitted with a total of (!!!) 9.9K isk in modules/weaponry. With that fit, I knifed, shotgunned, flaylocked, and meleed the enemy off the point because i could scan them, and they were too bricked/blind to see me waltz behind them. /null General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:14:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust 514 is a business. Dust 514 believes games should be a service. That still doesn't answer, why now? We all know its a business. Yet, its interesting to look at the respecs given after a firm stand on not giving out any, can be now done for a price. That's just one example. The Apex suits. Komora I just find the recent "bam! In your face AUR items for you to purchase plus double up your boosters" quite interesting to take note of. I find it very peculiar. I'm not implying its P2W either. I would love to know the motivations behind it but of course I won't find them. I can just have my speculations. Someone said they do this to spike up the fiscal reports. I know about that, but they haven't been this aggressive before. I really thought back and forth before making this thread. I was wondering if I would get objective observers who would discuss the parameters of the discussion in question or at least, people who have acknowledged these changes. I do understand that there's a high probable chance I will not get what I was looking for, only superficial. Or that the discussion would be warped into something else as people would want to promote their own "agendas" for lack of a better term. Yet if we stand back and look at the area of progression-none of it causes the mind to wonder a bit? Hmmm...that's interesting. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:30:00 - [27] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money. Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47381/ccp%20financial%20statements%20june%2030%202013.pdf here's another I found.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4455	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:09:00 - [28] - Quote So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2734	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:41:00 - [29] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Pretty much this. Draw players, make money. It's just good common sense that any company should do and light fires under their own butts. Why the hell are people overheating this? It's a god damn game made by a god damn company. Are we really going to start making up crazy theories of why a company suddenly wants to draw more players and make more money? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1119	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:05:00 - [30] - Quote I am pretty optimistic thanks to seeing some awesome progress since the doomsday keynote. Personally I hope they are filling their coffers for some big time expansions in either Dust or Legion. I am sure sales were stagnating as everyone coasted along waiting to see what path the game would take.

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:14:00 - [31] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 164	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:29:00 - [32] - Quote They dipped a toe with the Sever BPO suit and they found out there are still a lot of people willing to put money into the game, and so now they're running with it
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17696	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:12:00 - [33] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. Really? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:13:00 - [34] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance ...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah** *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1628	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:19:00 - [35] - Quote money for legion development is running out
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:20:00 - [36] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Pretty much this. Draw players, make money. It's just good common sense that any company should do and light fires under their own butts. Why the hell are people overheating this? It's a god damn game made by a god damn company. Are we really going to start making up crazy theories of why a company suddenly wants to draw more players and make more money? Overheating? Crazy theories? Angry replies? Do you guys get any when you're outside of Dust? Do you touch a boob? Jesus christ, you guys are on edge. Just a simple curiosity I had while discussing this with another player. No ill intent. No "shaking of the bee hives". None of that. I simply wondered why after Legion has gone quiet, reports of staff structure reorganization, the recent 1.9 patch, the going back on the word of respecs, talks of EVE Valkyrie gone quiet, and PS3 is an aged console-why we such a growth in monetization unlike any other year before it. But according to some of you high strung people, one cannot question. It's simple black and white. But you and Zatara's 5 year old feet stomping rant is one of the reasons why I hesitated for a short period. I just wanted to discuss this with some people, not get whiny babies to spazz out in my thread. you guys are silly. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1589	Posted - 2014.11.13 11:14:00 - [37] - Quote Was informed about a long chat with cross atu some of my associates had... Basically as rattati shows that dust can be/is a success he's given more people to work with, a bit of monetization and good numbers can mean very positive things for dust. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 800	Posted - 2014.11.13 11:23:00 - [38] - Quote What's going on with Valkyrie? There has been some decent hype about that game, it should be a money maker for CCP. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
501st Headstrong Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 710	Posted - 2014.11.13 11:35:00 - [39] - Quote The monetization has probably also stemmed from the calls of players for more items, and realizing that some people have billions of Isk, they could easily spam it if it was in game. As a result, it was made Aurum. Not agressive, just going with the community and making everyone happy CCP Makes Money We get BPOs, Boosters, Respecs I can conserve isk to dump in FW and the big PC battles :) I'm liking where this game is headed so far, and I can't wait for more content. Dropping another 20 bucks down for Aurum on Friday so I can get myself that Min Logi Shaman BPO...The Thing is GOLD.... Ace Boone's Son/ Danizzle's Friend/ OG GAM4LIfe "Are you a boy or girl?" -Most asked question in Dust Waiting for SWBF
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4459	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:02:00 - [40] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Yeah if you think that was a tirade...I failed and you weren't paying attention. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought

Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1265	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:03:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Pretty much this. Draw players, make money. It's just good common sense that any company should do and light fires under their own butts. Why the hell are people overheating this? It's a god damn game made by a god damn company. Are we really going to start making up crazy theories of why a company suddenly wants to draw more players and make more money? Overheating? Crazy theories? Angry replies? Do you guys get any when you're outside of Dust? Do you touch a boob? Jesus christ, you guys are on edge. Just a simple curiosity I had while discussing this with another player. No ill intent. No "shaking of the bee hives". None of that. I simply wondered why after Legion has gone quiet, reports of staff structure reorganization, the recent 1.9 patch, the going back on the word of respecs, talks of EVE Valkyrie gone quiet, and PS3 is an aged console-why we such a growth in monetization unlike any other year before it. But according to some of you high strung people, one cannot question. It's simple black and white. But you and Zatara's 5 year old feet stomping rant is one of the reasons why I hesitated for a short period. I just wanted to discuss this with some people, not get whiny babies to spazz out in my thread. you guys are silly. Touches you. I just did. I have a crazier theory. On the PS4 nonF2P games require Psplus to play online (sony moneygrubbing). F2P games don't,which means the game company themselves pay for the players in hopes they spend enough to turn a profit. CCP through Dust 514 might be trying to save up enough money to pay off sony for a few months,and make the leap to PS4. "Why not keep the name Dust 514,why change it?" On the PSN store there's already a game called Dust for the PS4,and i'm sure CCP doesn't want their game associated with it. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:11:00 - [42] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Why the sudden spike of monetizing? Because it's a FTP game and they have to make money to fund the studios? If DUST does not make money, the game ends. Why do people not understand this? The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3334	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:17:00 - [43] - Quote Idk but I just spent so much on dust I realized it's becoming a problem. Gonna need a break... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 429	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:24:00 - [44] - Quote I would like to point out nothing has changed with the way they make money off dust, they have your money once you buy aurm not after your spend that aurm. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10242	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:48:00 - [45] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win. Sure, I'll keep that in mind next time I one hit kill a tanked up commando sniping on a hill with a pair of nova knives and cost him a highly expensive suit even though he won the match. In all seriousness, if gaining isk was the end game simply because I'm a mercenary, then I won the game years ago. Eve Online players are mainly privateers first and foremost yet their end game is not to make money but rather to gain control of the player run economy. He who controls the spice controls the universe. Only a short sighted mercenary goes for money and nothing else. A real mercenary makes sure to get rid of corporate competition so he or she can have a better chance of monopolizing on the isk. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 480	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:00:00 - [46] - Quote CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5255	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:21:00 - [47] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. If only the French government would buy it and issue us all time tokens for us to play. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 640	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:26:00 - [48] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10243	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:34:00 - [49] - Quote castba wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently. Well, pulling in money without actually going into pay to win. I use to think paid respecs were pay to win but then remembered that skill points don't guarantee a won match. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 538	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:36:00 - [50] - Quote Why? Cause CCP saw that the average FPS player has a pretty low attention span so they decided to milk players quickly before they turn away. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:41:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance ...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. Really? yeah really. AFAIK, dust 514 is no kickstarter thing. And a CPM pretty much saying "buy stuff if you like it or no game for you" is really shocking imo. Especially in the light of what this year has brought on this player base, or what remains of it, monetizing before showing any kind of real transparency on what the future holds, something definite, is imo more than insulting to the ppl who still have a bit of trust. It's not 4 patches that will make the red keynote go away and hope everyone will sing kumbaya and throw money at CCP. So yeah. REALLY** Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 640	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:42:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Didn't think you were the sensitive type Michael. What I got from that "tirade" as you put it: Rattati has awesome ideas that he would like to implement which can be done if the game becomes more viable financially. He has relayed these ideas to CPM who are frustrated by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. If that is what you are saying Zatara, thank you for doing so. I am eager to see what these ideas are. If I am off the mark altogether, I can only cite a very busy work life and a terrible lack of sleep. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2540	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:54:00 - [53] - Quote Because money. Why the suddenness? That is the real kicker. There are a few possibilities: 1. CCP lost quite a bit of cash last year and from rumors I have heard/read this year hasn't been much better. They can't really hope to get the kind of instant bump is cash from EVE players other than offering a sale of PLEX (which hurts them later) so getting it from DUST makes sense. 2. Pyrex's tinfoil is that CCP is possibly going to be sold. No evidence with it but show that you are making a whole bunch of money and see if you can get potential buyers. 3. Money for Legion development, as well as Valkyrie. For a relatively small company to be making two extremely ambitious games (Legion looking for that EVE link and Valkyrie being OR based) requires a lot of resources that they might not necessarily have. So get money to get the resources. 4. CCP probably saw just how much money they made off of Quafe suits and realized that the fanbase was willing to spend. If people are willing to spend, you go hard for it. 5. Tinfoil again. DUST is dying. "We are not going to get any of the credit we wanted for linking DUST with EVE. Might as well squeeze the last bit of toothpaste from the tube before discarding it." 6. It could be they are experimenting with Legion monitization. "People are willing to buy skins. Add that to the list." 7. They are reworking their model. If the 750k stays and Active Boosters move towards ONLY letting you cap faster with the logic being most people won't cap as it will take quite a long time, the game moves more away from Pay to Win. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:55:00 - [54] - Quote castba wrote: by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ? castba wrote: instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ? It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP. The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP. The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP. Saying otherwise would be dishonest Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4524	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:04:00 - [55] - Quote ^^^ Hero of the people (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4463	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:00 - [56] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: yeah really. AFAIK, dust 514 is no kickstarter thing. And a CPM pretty much saying "buy stuff if you like it or no game for you" is really shocking imo. Especially in the light of what this year has brought on this player base, or what remains of it, monetizing before showing any kind of real transparency on what the future holds, something definite, is imo more than insulting to the ppl who still have a bit of trust. It's not 4 patches that will make the red keynote go away and hope everyone will sing kumbaya and throw money at CCP. So yeah. REALLY I mean, not at all..i'm not saying that there won't be a game if you don't buy things. But certainly there is a cause and effect between the game producing comfortable levels of revenue that allow for patches...vs the hotfix cycles of balance we were limited to before. I am in agreeance that everyone needs to be made aware of CCP's 6 and 12 month plans, but we already know dust isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. They need to share an updated roadmap, and I am confident that they soon will based off of our conversations. In the mean time...I can't tell you what's going on behind the iron curtain, but suffice it to say attempting to increase monetization is something they should have been doing long ago. It's not some naked cash grab so they can screw you. If you buy enough ****...it will result in us having more dust514 console content. Support the game. I mean, I was there at fanfest on my own dime and watched Rouge Wedding happen. I wandered depressed and dejected around fanfest screaming "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3 DEVELOPMENT" I called out Dev's on why they had nothing to share..asked them wtf why is it acceptable to have failed to plan further than 1.8 And I have not forgotten. And yet, in my FoV I am now confident in Dust's future so long as people continue to support it. Ratatti was given a big mess and yet here I am contemplating a 1.10. Forgive me if that sounds naive, petulant, or w/e else you perceive but the language is a response to fin foil. Sure, are you justified in tin foiling because you have no answer and you've been burned before...i'm not here to debate you. Believe me or not, I'm here making the assertion. And if anything changes..i'll be the first canary you hear. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 641	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:00 - [57] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: castba wrote: by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ? castba wrote: instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ? It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP. The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP. The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP. Saying otherwise would be dishonest All true. I remember the original potential back in beta too, and yes CCP did bugger this game up for quite a while but that does seem to have changed with the updates and communication by the current Dust team Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. Holding onto the past is never a good thing and holding the current Dust team accountable for the previous teams wrongs is like blaming your current partner for your ex's faults. I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible and should not be absolved of partial blame for the hole we (yes "we", CCP, CPM and the community) are slowly climbing out of. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 253	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:41:00 - [58] - Quote I'm not about to speculate beyond the "CCP is a business so they need to make money" reason, but I will say that monetization of the game was one of the many things they had failed to implement correctly in this game. You know the devs had failed when they couldn't even monetize the game right. As rattati and crew have fixed many of the problems with the game, they have finally started to do some work to fix the monetization of it. Are they milking us before a shut down, prepping for legion, justifying legion, etc? Can't say for sure until we see how the future plays out.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4463	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:44:00 - [59] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. Which is why we're asking people to look at 1.9. They did invest. They took a risk, and it's our job as players now to evaluate 1.9 and decide if investing in Dust has been influenced by their actions. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 633	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:49:00 - [60] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Why the sudden spike of monetizing? Better thingies needs some doublons boyo *"Savvy"*

Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 40	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:52:00 - [61] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear. Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters. One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew. But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. nothing game braking ???? have u seen the new bp drop suits 4 58k aur the scout suit stats is like a proto suit who after buying it will ever spend?? my op is there milking the 1k core players who have $$$$ to burn and then they start losing players do to cash players runing the battle with there bp stuff
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10248	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:57:00 - [62] - Quote I can say with some level of certainty why ccp is being aggressive with monetization recently. Because Rattati is in charge of Dust now. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4713	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 - [63] - Quote It's actually pretty tame monetization compared to most free-to-play games I've played. Zatara's posts in here may have been a bit blunt at times, but are basically spot on. CCP making money on DUST is a good thing for DUST players. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2349	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 - [64] - Quote castba wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: castba wrote: by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ? castba wrote: instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ? It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP. The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP. The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP. Saying otherwise would be dishonest All true. I remember the original potential back in beta too, and yes CCP did bugger this game up for quite a while but that does seem to have changed with the updates and communication by the current Dust team Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. Holding onto the past is never a good thing and holding the current Dust team accountable for the previous teams wrongs is like blaming your current partner for your ex's faults. I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible and should not be absolved of partial blame for the hole we (yes "we", CCP, CPM and the community) are slowly climbing out of. I always recommended Dust, starting day one, to people for the sole reason that what they were trying to do meant something to me. And i would have done it even harder if 1.9 had been 1.0. But there are things you just cant forgive, nor forget. And especially not with the tiny amount of work done since compared to the HUUUUUUUGE amount of feedback that has been fed to them over the course of 2 years. A little progress is a sign of good faith. Not a redemption. No matter who faulted in the first place, it's those in charge NOW that pay for it. Sad truth. And the first thing they should do is NOT DO THE SAME FIN mistakes, AK over monetizing, under-delivering, not communicating. "I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible"* Why exactly ? Is there a gaming community that is all nice and cool and balanced ? Name one. Did that prevent other companies from doing amazing games with those broken, never satisfied communities ? No. Again, there's a party SELLING a game. And another one BUYING the game, and thus entitled to whatever opinion\rant it has. AFAIK, no player ever decided what to balance, what to prioritize, etc... And truth be told, if it had been the case, game wouldnt be in such a bad shape. And dude... we were a bad community ? Really ? Name one other game that had so many resources, apps, websites, organizations created in such very short time ? Aside from the massive AAA that exists for a decade now and have tv commercial and **** ? There aint much. CCP was blessed with that community. It had white noise, but also a ton of bright and invested people. I wont accept anything close to saying that the community plays a role in dust not succeeding. i reject that idea totally. CCP developped, CCP didnt listen feedback as it should have been, CCP kept a flawed team and management on that game for too long, refusing to see warning signs, so now i'm not gonna praise them for 5 month of work. I still have friends on Dust514, ppl i've known for 7 years and i feel sorry for them. Most of them spend 200+ euros on dust, some waaaaaaaay more. So now what ? they should keep giving without knowing anything for sure ? Just for the sake of a possible bright future ? The same they were promised before ? get out of here.... Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10248	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 - [65] - Quote Pisidon Gmen wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear. Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters. One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew. But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. nothing game braking ???? have u seen the new bp drop suits 4 58k aur the scout suit stats is like a proto suit who after buying it will ever spend?? my op is there milking the 1k core players who have $$$$ to burn and then they start losing players do to cash players runing the battle with there bp stuff Game changing, sure. But far from game breaking since the apex suits can be acquired through faction warfare if you put in sufficient effort. I'm doing that right now because I have better things to spend my AUR on than just a BPO suit with a terrible fit. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2349	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:01:00 - [66] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: I'm not about to speculate beyond the "CCP is a business so they need to make money" reason, but I will say that monetization of the game was one of the many things they had failed to implement correctly in this game. You know the devs had failed when they couldn't even monetize the game right. As rattati and crew have fixed many of the problems with the game, they have finally started to do some work to fix the monetization of it. Are they milking us before a shut down, prepping for legion, justifying legion, etc? Can't say for sure until we see how the future plays out. Cant argue. Been said over and over and over again for 2 years. With examples, and suggestions from the community..... => Dead letter. Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4464	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:03:00 - [67] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: It's actually pretty tame monetization compared to most free-to-play games I've played. Zatara's posts in here may have been a bit blunt at times, but are basically spot on. CCP making money on DUST is a good thing for DUST players. I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll, and I am not one to castigate when you're being sincere. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4938	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:04:00 - [68] - Quote Meh. So long as the servers stay open, the patches keep flowing and rouge takes the brass knuckles to anyone trying to undermine Rattati's work, I don't give a rippling sh*t why they are selling more stuff. Where's my damn Diet quafe commando suits and logi suits, nerds? Chop chop. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4713	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:05:00 - [69] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll I am a troll. I make no apologies for this. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 254	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:11:00 - [70] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: I'm not about to speculate beyond the "CCP is a business so they need to make money" reason, but I will say that monetization of the game was one of the many things they had failed to implement correctly in this game. You know the devs had failed when they couldn't even monetize the game right. As rattati and crew have fixed many of the problems with the game, they have finally started to do some work to fix the monetization of it. Are they milking us before a shut down, prepping for legion, justifying legion, etc? Can't say for sure until we see how the future plays out. Cant argue. Been said over and over and over again for 2 years. With examples, and suggestions from the community..... => Dead letter. Yeah, you know the original devs REALLY f*cked up when the community was telling them to monetize the game more and they didn't. Epic fail. LOL.

castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 641	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:19:00 - [71] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Overly sensitive diatribe Make no mistake, I do sincerely appreciate your passion. Whilst I don't know nor care about other game communities I can't imagine many would have had a regional server shut down in a similar manner as this "great" community did with the Oceania server, but I digress. We all have different perspectives and opinions and whilst I understand yours, our opinions and perspectives differ considerably. Stay bitter, vet o7 "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2349	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:23:00 - [72] - Quote castba wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Overly sensitive diatribe Make no mistake, I do sincerely appreciate your passion. Whilst I don't know nor care about other game communities I can't imagine many would have had a regional server shut down in a similar manner as this "great" community did with the Oceania server, but I digress. We all have different perspectives and opinions and whilst I understand yours, our opinions and perspectives differ considerably. Stay bitter, vet o7 LOL, so now the community is responsible for oceania server being shut down ? Here i was thinking it was low as fk player count from no communication and bad release planning. And you dont care about other communities ? lol, you're the one saying this one was **, so you probably have something to compare it with right ? Otherwise why are you even talking about it ? oh well... And our opinion and perspective differ considerably ? Re-read my previous message and you might consider not saying this. Otherwise you're pretty much saying that this community sucked and should only blame itself for the game failing. Stay bent over, fan boy o7 Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7709	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:23:00 - [73] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll I am a troll. I make no apologies for this. :) I KNEW IT Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2221	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:42:00 - [74] - Quote castba wrote: Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. No. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4948	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:56:00 - [75] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll I am a troll. I make no apologies for this. :) I KNEW IT Inb4therealizationthatitsnotexactlyarevelation EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4786	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:58:00 - [76] - Quote castba wrote: Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. We had Dust 1.9 (w/ hotfixes) in place on launch I would have kept several RL friends playing this game. They would probably still be playing as we speak. My advice to you, playa...
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 268	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:01:00 - [77] - Quote We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4949	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:04:00 - [78] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. Quafe suits appeal to the eye and the desire to be obnoxious. I maintain that MLT vehicle BPOs need to be a thing. #inb4sorayastartsvomitingaboutit. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 943	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:07:00 - [79] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. Quafe suits appeal to the eye and the desire to be obnoxious. I maintain that MLT vehicle BPOs need to be a thing. #inb4sorayastartsvomitingaboutit. Go go veteran and elite packs? #theyreathingagain Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 15	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:07:00 - [80] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I see a few possibilities: They are getting sold/are willing to sell soon. If this is the reality, then we, as supporters of the original vision of this game, and to the company as a whole, should wholeheartedly support the devs in showing their prospective purchasers "Hey guys, this game is REALLY profitable!" They are milking us for corporate greed. While this is a possibility, i don't see this as the most likely. They are milking us to fund Legion(whether they ran out, or foresee a shortage) This I wouldn't be opposed to, a company is a company, and it's not like they're putting paywalls in the game for us to spend 50 bucks on tearing down. They are milking us to fund additional DUST development(full racial parity, optimizations, new maps/sockets) This is my best case scenario, as this means we'll be wasting as little potential as possible. The PS3 is still a great system, it's just hard to code for. I mean, look at Crysis and various other games that i'm forgetting. In the end, whatever they're going to do, I support CCP wholeheartedly, both as a company, and as the DEVs for the game that single-handedly turned me into a spreadsheet scanning closet nerd(I already was before, what with Mechwarrior and Armored Core and all, but that wasn't spreadsheet reading and constant theorycrafting) Agreed, you played Armored Core? I did too, Last Raven was my favorite. I think I am love. lol

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4950	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:14:00 - [81] - Quote I meant BPO Sica/soma/gorgon/caldari flying turd. What's the name again? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2631	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:17:00 - [82] - Quote Militia Vehicules BPOs... I would buy that. 'Quafe' Vehicules BPOs Riots in the streets Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 483	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:56:00 - [83] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: castba wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently. Well, pulling in money without actually going into pay to win. I use to think paid respecs were pay to win but then remembered that skill points don't guarantee a won match. Almost everyone has more SP than I do and I still do alright lol The non P2W aspect is why I still play. Everyone keeps bringing up the wedding as a reason to not pay out. Yes CCP screwed up, terribly, nearing the top of the list for PR nightmares I can think of, I was there I remember. That being said I've at leastdoubled the amount of $ spent on this game since Rattati took over than I had in all the previous time playing (well back in closed beta since someone will ask). Why? Simple, someone finally seems to give a **. The new team has managed to put out almost as much new guns, maps and general game balance in the last handful of months than the whole team in the previous 2 years. And that's disregarding the fact they had to clean up all the left behind when they started. Seriously cut the "wah Rouge hurt my feelings a year ago" ** out. In short' HTFU or GTFO Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4955	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:57:00 - [84] - Quote Anarchide wrote: 'Quafe' Vehicules BPOs You would actually see me joyriding if this was a thing. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2547	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:28:00 - [85] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Really, 1.9 might as well have been called "Ways to spend money." None of it is entirely terrible but the prices are nuts. 30 some odd for the APEX, Quafe suits more than 10 bucks, and it is just a pallet swap. Let's take a look at some differently priced skins in League of Legends: Astronaut Teemo. Completely new visuals on spells, new drawn skin, and voice change. 10 bucks. Uncle Ryze. One added joke, added materials like hat, color swap with every else. 4 dollars. Brolaf. 100% new visuals and voice over work. 14 dollars. The Quafe Suits could have been made in no time at all. It is a color swap mostly. None of the suits look vastly different in regards to shape, sound, or feel. The added benefit of "well, you don't have to spend ISK on a suit" is there but eventually they are going to just be skins and at those prices for such a small effect, it seems really quite lame. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1280	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:42:00 - [86] - Quote It seemed that at the time of FanFest CCP was looking to get bought out by another company. It is pretty standard to try to maximize short term profits to look more attractive. The more hopeful part of me likes to believe that since the coming of Dust Jesus the playerbase has shown enough willingness to spend their money and make continued development feasible and they are both testing this and trying to maximize profits. If it works, onwards and upwards, if it doesn't, slow slide into oblivion. Because, that's why.
Michael Arck 6042	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:33:00 - [87] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Thanks for this. I was surprised so I questioned. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 6042	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:43:00 - [88] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Yeah if you think that was a tirade...I failed and you weren't paying attention. The context of your post suggested otherwise. The usage of your caps lock says otherwise. Your first answer, "so we can fund the damn game" says otherwise. There's a way to talk to people that gets your point across without resembling an agitated person who doesn't like what he's hearing or indicating that he believes the person to be just complaining about something, just to be complaining. I wanted mature answers with a mature outlook. Not some tirade. As a representative of the CPM, you should be mindful of that. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10255	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:54:00 - [89] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Really, 1.9 might as well have been called "Ways to spend money." None of it is entirely terrible but the prices are nuts. 30 some odd for the APEX, Quafe suits more than 10 bucks, and it is just a pallet swap. Let's take a look at some differently priced skins in League of Legends: Astronaut Teemo. Completely new visuals on spells, new drawn skin, and voice change. 10 bucks. Uncle Ryze. One added joke, added materials like hat, color swap with every else. 4 dollars. Brolaf. 100% new visuals and voice over work. 14 dollars. The Quafe Suits could have been made in no time at all. It is a color swap mostly. None of the suits look vastly different in regards to shape, sound, or feel. The added benefit of "well, you don't have to spend ISK on a suit" is there but eventually they are going to just be skins and at those prices for such a small effect, it seems really quite lame. Yet people like us still buy them. That's more of a reflection of us than of CCP. A lot of this stuff they're selling is more focused on vanity than game changing. I told CCP a long time ago that vanity items will sell very fast if they focus on that. Just look at PSHome* and see for yourself how much anyone is willing to spend on a little bling for their internet Barbie. EDIT: * - Well, at least before Sony announced the coming shutdown of PSHome. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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