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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:49:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:I can see a few scenarios:
1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility.
This is just CEOPyrex talking out of his ass and being a typical troll. Don't take this scenario seriously. If World of Darkness is any indication, the IP to Dust 514 won't be sold off and would likely be shelved for a long time if CCP decides that Dust isn't worth it anymore. But considering that CCP Rattati has brought life back into the game, shelving the game is also highly unlikely.
2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion.
I might bet on this. If this is true, then it seems CEO Hilmar and the investors would be impressed by what CCP Rattati has done for Dust so far.
3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion.
This is very likely. CCP Z is the monetization director and might be using Dust as a model of how to balance Legion's microtransactions.
4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development.
If they are, not anymore. Especially now that AUR respecs are in the game and triple stacking boosters with EOM instant-boosting is all the rage.
Please see bolded parts for answers.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:56:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Avinash Decker wrote:
I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets.
I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money.
Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs
Keep in mind that the current financials come out only quarterly. The recent changes won't be reflected on the reports until the next quarterly arrives.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:57:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits.
And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option.
It's not pay to win. BPOs and Boosters don't help you win a match.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:59:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK.
Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do.
Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit.
Pay... to... win.
Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 12:48:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Her Chosen wrote:The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK.
Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do.
Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit.
Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win.
Sure, I'll keep that in mind next time I one hit kill a tanked up commando sniping on a hill with a pair of nova knives and cost him a highly expensive suit even though he won the match.
In all seriousness, if gaining isk was the end game simply because I'm a mercenary, then I won the game years ago. Eve Online players are mainly privateers first and foremost yet their end game is not to make money but rather to gain control of the player run economy. He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Only a short sighted mercenary goes for money and nothing else. A real mercenary makes sure to get rid of corporate competition so he or she can have a better chance of monopolizing on the isk.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 13:34:00 -
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castba wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently.
Well, pulling in money without actually going into pay to win. I use to think paid respecs were pay to win but then remembered that skill points don't guarantee a won match.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 14:57:00 -
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I can say with some level of certainty why ccp is being aggressive with monetization recently. Because Rattati is in charge of Dust now.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 -
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Pisidon Gmen wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:They want more money.
Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear.
Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters.
One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew.
But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. nothing game braking ???? have u seen the new bp drop suits 4 58k aur the scout suit stats is like a proto suit who after buying it will ever spend?? my op is there milking the 1k core players who have $$$$ to burn and then they start losing players do to cash players runing the battle with there bp stuff
Game changing, sure. But far from game breaking since the apex suits can be acquired through faction warfare if you put in sufficient effort. I'm doing that right now because I have better things to spend my AUR on than just a BPO suit with a terrible fit.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:54:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Really, 1.9 might as well have been called "Ways to spend money." None of it is entirely terrible but the prices are nuts. 30 some odd for the APEX, Quafe suits more than 10 bucks, and it is just a pallet swap. Let's take a look at some differently priced skins in League of Legends: Astronaut Teemo. Completely new visuals on spells, new drawn skin, and voice change. 10 bucks. Uncle Ryze. One added joke, added materials like hat, color swap with every else. 4 dollars. Brolaf. 100% new visuals and voice over work. 14 dollars. The Quafe Suits could have been made in no time at all. It is a color swap mostly. None of the suits look vastly different in regards to shape, sound, or feel. The added benefit of "well, you don't have to spend ISK on a suit" is there but eventually they are going to just be skins and at those prices for such a small effect, it seems really quite lame.
Yet people like us still buy them. That's more of a reflection of us than of CCP.
A lot of this stuff they're selling is more focused on vanity than game changing. I told CCP a long time ago that vanity items will sell very fast if they focus on that. Just look at PSHome* and see for yourself how much anyone is willing to spend on a little bling for their internet Barbie.
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* - Well, at least before Sony announced the coming shutdown of PSHome.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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