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Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:14:00 - [31] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 164	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:29:00 - [32] - Quote They dipped a toe with the Sever BPO suit and they found out there are still a lot of people willing to put money into the game, and so now they're running with it
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17696	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:12:00 - [33] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. Really? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:13:00 - [34] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance ...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah** *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1628	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:19:00 - [35] - Quote money for legion development is running out
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 10:20:00 - [36] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Pretty much this. Draw players, make money. It's just good common sense that any company should do and light fires under their own butts. Why the hell are people overheating this? It's a god damn game made by a god damn company. Are we really going to start making up crazy theories of why a company suddenly wants to draw more players and make more money? Overheating? Crazy theories? Angry replies? Do you guys get any when you're outside of Dust? Do you touch a boob? Jesus christ, you guys are on edge. Just a simple curiosity I had while discussing this with another player. No ill intent. No "shaking of the bee hives". None of that. I simply wondered why after Legion has gone quiet, reports of staff structure reorganization, the recent 1.9 patch, the going back on the word of respecs, talks of EVE Valkyrie gone quiet, and PS3 is an aged console-why we such a growth in monetization unlike any other year before it. But according to some of you high strung people, one cannot question. It's simple black and white. But you and Zatara's 5 year old feet stomping rant is one of the reasons why I hesitated for a short period. I just wanted to discuss this with some people, not get whiny babies to spazz out in my thread. you guys are silly. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1589	Posted - 2014.11.13 11:14:00 - [37] - Quote Was informed about a long chat with cross atu some of my associates had... Basically as rattati shows that dust can be/is a success he's given more people to work with, a bit of monetization and good numbers can mean very positive things for dust. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 800	Posted - 2014.11.13 11:23:00 - [38] - Quote What's going on with Valkyrie? There has been some decent hype about that game, it should be a money maker for CCP. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
501st Headstrong Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 710	Posted - 2014.11.13 11:35:00 - [39] - Quote The monetization has probably also stemmed from the calls of players for more items, and realizing that some people have billions of Isk, they could easily spam it if it was in game. As a result, it was made Aurum. Not agressive, just going with the community and making everyone happy CCP Makes Money We get BPOs, Boosters, Respecs I can conserve isk to dump in FW and the big PC battles :) I'm liking where this game is headed so far, and I can't wait for more content. Dropping another 20 bucks down for Aurum on Friday so I can get myself that Min Logi Shaman BPO...The Thing is GOLD.... Ace Boone's Son/ Danizzle's Friend/ OG GAM4LIfe "Are you a boy or girl?" -Most asked question in Dust Waiting for SWBF
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4459	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:02:00 - [40] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Yeah if you think that was a tirade...I failed and you weren't paying attention. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought

Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1265	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:03:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Pretty much this. Draw players, make money. It's just good common sense that any company should do and light fires under their own butts. Why the hell are people overheating this? It's a god damn game made by a god damn company. Are we really going to start making up crazy theories of why a company suddenly wants to draw more players and make more money? Overheating? Crazy theories? Angry replies? Do you guys get any when you're outside of Dust? Do you touch a boob? Jesus christ, you guys are on edge. Just a simple curiosity I had while discussing this with another player. No ill intent. No "shaking of the bee hives". None of that. I simply wondered why after Legion has gone quiet, reports of staff structure reorganization, the recent 1.9 patch, the going back on the word of respecs, talks of EVE Valkyrie gone quiet, and PS3 is an aged console-why we such a growth in monetization unlike any other year before it. But according to some of you high strung people, one cannot question. It's simple black and white. But you and Zatara's 5 year old feet stomping rant is one of the reasons why I hesitated for a short period. I just wanted to discuss this with some people, not get whiny babies to spazz out in my thread. you guys are silly. Touches you. I just did. I have a crazier theory. On the PS4 nonF2P games require Psplus to play online (sony moneygrubbing). F2P games don't,which means the game company themselves pay for the players in hopes they spend enough to turn a profit. CCP through Dust 514 might be trying to save up enough money to pay off sony for a few months,and make the leap to PS4. "Why not keep the name Dust 514,why change it?" On the PSN store there's already a game called Dust for the PS4,and i'm sure CCP doesn't want their game associated with it. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:11:00 - [42] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Why the sudden spike of monetizing? Because it's a FTP game and they have to make money to fund the studios? If DUST does not make money, the game ends. Why do people not understand this? The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3334	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:17:00 - [43] - Quote Idk but I just spent so much on dust I realized it's becoming a problem. Gonna need a break... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 429	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:24:00 - [44] - Quote I would like to point out nothing has changed with the way they make money off dust, they have your money once you buy aurm not after your spend that aurm. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10242	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:48:00 - [45] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win. Sure, I'll keep that in mind next time I one hit kill a tanked up commando sniping on a hill with a pair of nova knives and cost him a highly expensive suit even though he won the match. In all seriousness, if gaining isk was the end game simply because I'm a mercenary, then I won the game years ago. Eve Online players are mainly privateers first and foremost yet their end game is not to make money but rather to gain control of the player run economy. He who controls the spice controls the universe. Only a short sighted mercenary goes for money and nothing else. A real mercenary makes sure to get rid of corporate competition so he or she can have a better chance of monopolizing on the isk. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 480	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:00:00 - [46] - Quote CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5255	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:21:00 - [47] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. If only the French government would buy it and issue us all time tokens for us to play. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 640	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:26:00 - [48] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10243	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:34:00 - [49] - Quote castba wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently. Well, pulling in money without actually going into pay to win. I use to think paid respecs were pay to win but then remembered that skill points don't guarantee a won match. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 538	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:36:00 - [50] - Quote Why? Cause CCP saw that the average FPS player has a pretty low attention span so they decided to milk players quickly before they turn away. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:41:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance ...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. OMG. So much is wrong with that post i'm nauseous. Really? yeah really. AFAIK, dust 514 is no kickstarter thing. And a CPM pretty much saying "buy stuff if you like it or no game for you" is really shocking imo. Especially in the light of what this year has brought on this player base, or what remains of it, monetizing before showing any kind of real transparency on what the future holds, something definite, is imo more than insulting to the ppl who still have a bit of trust. It's not 4 patches that will make the red keynote go away and hope everyone will sing kumbaya and throw money at CCP. So yeah. REALLY** Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 640	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:42:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Didn't think you were the sensitive type Michael. What I got from that "tirade" as you put it: Rattati has awesome ideas that he would like to implement which can be done if the game becomes more viable financially. He has relayed these ideas to CPM who are frustrated by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. If that is what you are saying Zatara, thank you for doing so. I am eager to see what these ideas are. If I am off the mark altogether, I can only cite a very busy work life and a terrible lack of sleep. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2540	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:54:00 - [53] - Quote Because money. Why the suddenness? That is the real kicker. There are a few possibilities: 1. CCP lost quite a bit of cash last year and from rumors I have heard/read this year hasn't been much better. They can't really hope to get the kind of instant bump is cash from EVE players other than offering a sale of PLEX (which hurts them later) so getting it from DUST makes sense. 2. Pyrex's tinfoil is that CCP is possibly going to be sold. No evidence with it but show that you are making a whole bunch of money and see if you can get potential buyers. 3. Money for Legion development, as well as Valkyrie. For a relatively small company to be making two extremely ambitious games (Legion looking for that EVE link and Valkyrie being OR based) requires a lot of resources that they might not necessarily have. So get money to get the resources. 4. CCP probably saw just how much money they made off of Quafe suits and realized that the fanbase was willing to spend. If people are willing to spend, you go hard for it. 5. Tinfoil again. DUST is dying. "We are not going to get any of the credit we wanted for linking DUST with EVE. Might as well squeeze the last bit of toothpaste from the tube before discarding it." 6. It could be they are experimenting with Legion monitization. "People are willing to buy skins. Add that to the list." 7. They are reworking their model. If the 750k stays and Active Boosters move towards ONLY letting you cap faster with the logic being most people won't cap as it will take quite a long time, the game moves more away from Pay to Win. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:55:00 - [54] - Quote castba wrote: by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ? castba wrote: instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ? It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP. The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP. The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP. Saying otherwise would be dishonest Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4524	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:04:00 - [55] - Quote ^^^ Hero of the people (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4463	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:00 - [56] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: yeah really. AFAIK, dust 514 is no kickstarter thing. And a CPM pretty much saying "buy stuff if you like it or no game for you" is really shocking imo. Especially in the light of what this year has brought on this player base, or what remains of it, monetizing before showing any kind of real transparency on what the future holds, something definite, is imo more than insulting to the ppl who still have a bit of trust. It's not 4 patches that will make the red keynote go away and hope everyone will sing kumbaya and throw money at CCP. So yeah. REALLY I mean, not at all..i'm not saying that there won't be a game if you don't buy things. But certainly there is a cause and effect between the game producing comfortable levels of revenue that allow for patches...vs the hotfix cycles of balance we were limited to before. I am in agreeance that everyone needs to be made aware of CCP's 6 and 12 month plans, but we already know dust isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. They need to share an updated roadmap, and I am confident that they soon will based off of our conversations. In the mean time...I can't tell you what's going on behind the iron curtain, but suffice it to say attempting to increase monetization is something they should have been doing long ago. It's not some naked cash grab so they can screw you. If you buy enough ****...it will result in us having more dust514 console content. Support the game. I mean, I was there at fanfest on my own dime and watched Rouge Wedding happen. I wandered depressed and dejected around fanfest screaming "LASER FOCUSED ON PS3 DEVELOPMENT" I called out Dev's on why they had nothing to share..asked them wtf why is it acceptable to have failed to plan further than 1.8 And I have not forgotten. And yet, in my FoV I am now confident in Dust's future so long as people continue to support it. Ratatti was given a big mess and yet here I am contemplating a 1.10. Forgive me if that sounds naive, petulant, or w/e else you perceive but the language is a response to fin foil. Sure, are you justified in tin foiling because you have no answer and you've been burned before...i'm not here to debate you. Believe me or not, I'm here making the assertion. And if anything changes..i'll be the first canary you hear. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 641	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:00 - [57] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: castba wrote: by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ? castba wrote: instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ? It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP. The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP. The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP. Saying otherwise would be dishonest All true. I remember the original potential back in beta too, and yes CCP did bugger this game up for quite a while but that does seem to have changed with the updates and communication by the current Dust team Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. Holding onto the past is never a good thing and holding the current Dust team accountable for the previous teams wrongs is like blaming your current partner for your ex's faults. I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible and should not be absolved of partial blame for the hole we (yes "we", CCP, CPM and the community) are slowly climbing out of. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 253	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:41:00 - [58] - Quote I'm not about to speculate beyond the "CCP is a business so they need to make money" reason, but I will say that monetization of the game was one of the many things they had failed to implement correctly in this game. You know the devs had failed when they couldn't even monetize the game right. As rattati and crew have fixed many of the problems with the game, they have finally started to do some work to fix the monetization of it. Are they milking us before a shut down, prepping for legion, justifying legion, etc? Can't say for sure until we see how the future plays out.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4463	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:44:00 - [59] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. Which is why we're asking people to look at 1.9. They did invest. They took a risk, and it's our job as players now to evaluate 1.9 and decide if investing in Dust has been influenced by their actions. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 633	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:49:00 - [60] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Why the sudden spike of monetizing? Better thingies needs some doublons boyo *"Savvy"*



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