DUST Search - So why the aggressive monetization of Dust?

Vell0cet wrote:

I can see a few scenarios:

1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility.

This is just CEOPyrex talking out of his ass and being a typical troll. Don't take this scenario seriously. If World of Darkness is any indication, the IP to Dust 514 won't be sold off and would likely be shelved for a long time if CCP decides that Dust isn't worth it anymore. But considering that CCP Rattati has brought life back into the game, shelving the game is also highly unlikely.

2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion.

I might bet on this. If this is true, then it seems CEO Hilmar and the investors would be impressed by what CCP Rattati has done for Dust so far.

3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion.

This is very likely. CCP Z is the monetization director and might be using Dust as a model of how to balance Legion's microtransactions.

4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development.

If they are, not anymore. Especially now that AUR respecs are in the game and triple stacking boosters with EOM instant-boosting is all the rage.

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Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:33:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Why the sudden spike of monetizing? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7679	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:34:00 - [2] - Quote Hey, if they pump out some quality work, I could care less about how much they monetize it. So far, nothing has been P2W, and that's all I care about. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 788	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:34:00 - [3] - Quote To avoid bankruptcy. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
hfderrtgvcd 1146	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:36:00 - [4] - Quote Dust is shutting down soon so they're milking it for all its worth. Or they just want to feed their families. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2532	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:41:00 - [5] - Quote I can see a few scenarios: 1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility. 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. 3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion. 4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development. Best PvE idea ever!
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2215	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:43:00 - [6] - Quote I see a few possibilities: They are getting sold/are willing to sell soon. If this is the reality, then we, as supporters of the original vision of this game, and to the company as a whole, should wholeheartedly support the devs in showing their prospective purchasers "Hey guys, this game is REALLY profitable!" They are milking us for corporate greed. While this is a possibility, i don't see this as the most likely. They are milking us to fund Legion(whether they ran out, or foresee a shortage) This I wouldn't be opposed to, a company is a company, and it's not like they're putting paywalls in the game for us to spend 50 bucks on tearing down. They are milking us to fund additional DUST development(full racial parity, optimizations, new maps/sockets) This is my best case scenario, as this means we'll be wasting as little potential as possible. The PS3 is still a great system, it's just hard to code for. I mean, look at Crysis and various other games that i'm forgetting. In the end, whatever they're going to do, I support CCP wholeheartedly, both as a company, and as the DEVs for the game that single-handedly turned me into a spreadsheet scanning closet nerd(I already was before, what with Mechwarrior and Armored Core and all, but that wasn't spreadsheet reading and constant theorycrafting) General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
G Felix 130	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote Could be that they're shutting the server down at the end of the fiscal year in February. This would let them show good liquid cash flow in the 3rd and 4th quarters and help them keep shareholders happy. This influx of liquid cash could be the shot in the arm new projects (Legion, Valkyrie) need to see the light of day. Or, it could be that Rattati and his skeleton crew are making a push to show that DUST can still make money and thusly deserves developer man hours. If we all cough up a little dough, maybe we see more racial parity, further customization options, more maps, etc. Could be a good sign, could mean the end. Could just mean CCP needs to scrounge up some Christmas bonuses. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2532	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:51:00 - [8] - Quote G Felix wrote: Could just mean CCP needs to scrounge up some Christmas bonuses. CCP Rattati deserves to get a big one this year! Best PvE idea ever!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2082	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:57:00 - [9] - Quote They want more money. Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear. Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters. One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew. But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 942	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:00:00 - [10] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I can see a few scenarios: 1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility. 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. 3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion. 4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development. mostly 3, with a dash of 4 the best way to get a board of directors and the ceos approval is to show your crazy method actually works. enter 1.9. Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.

Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:05:00 - [11] - Quote I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money.
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:42:00 - [12] - Quote Some interesting answers Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. 5225	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:45:00 - [13] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money. Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10231	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:49:00 - [14] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I can see a few scenarios: 1. I've heard the speculation (Pyrex for one) they're thinking of selling out to some other company. By bolstering their short-term sales this will help them get a better price for CCP. I'm iffy on this theory myself, but it is a possibility. This is just CEOPyrex talking out of his ass and being a typical troll. Don't take this scenario seriously. If World of Darkness is any indication, the IP to Dust 514 won't be sold off and would likely be shelved for a long time if CCP decides that Dust isn't worth it anymore. But considering that CCP Rattati has brought life back into the game, shelving the game is also highly unlikely. 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. I might bet on this. If this is true, then it seems CEO Hilmar and the investors would be impressed by what CCP Rattati has done for Dust so far. 3. They're experimenting in how to monetize Legion. This is very likely. CCP Z is the monetization director and might be using Dust as a model of how to balance Legion's microtransactions. 4. They're short on cash, budget has been slashed and this is how they're bootstrapping development. If they are, not anymore. Especially now that AUR respecs are in the game and triple stacking boosters with EOM instant-boosting is all the rage. Please see bolded parts for answers. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:54:00 - [15] - Quote Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits. And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10231	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:56:00 - [16] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money. Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs Keep in mind that the current financials come out only quarterly. The recent changes won't be reflected on the reports until the next quarterly arrives. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10231	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:57:00 - [17] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits. And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option. It's not pay to win. BPOs and Boosters don't help you win a match. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2217	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:05:00 - [18] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Uh... all companies go crazy at the end of the year to spike profits. And DUST always been p2w. Its a pay to win game with the play for free as an option. LOL. Dude, you're a riot. P2W? Tell me ONE thing that directly impacts the in-game that cannot (through any means) be obtained in ISK/LP. Early access items? They're not better than the ISK/Skilled into items, and even then, are (or will be) in the LP store. Boosters? That doesn't even effect the in-game, and as such can be written off. Respecs? Maybe, but ultimately they only let a player redirect where their SP be spent, and in no way makes a person completely (even 1%) better than a person who has the same trees maxed. Using AUR items to cut back on ISK losses? Nope, LP items are also there, and while they might still cost ISK, that cost is negligible and does not ultimately effect the in-game, only the neckbeard's egos. Also, you tend to have some utterly moronic ideas, so i'm quite certain we can from now on discount everything you say as vitriol from a good ol' Dust 514 hater. Proof. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1373	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:08:00 - [19] - Quote I think CCP just finally realized that there's still money to be made in Dust. Not only that, but Dust can literally serve as a test server for Legion that they get paid to keep open instead of paying others to work on. I highly doubt they want to suffer another Dust, and balancing everything out before releasing Legion seems like the best way to do that. I want to punch.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17692	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:15:00 - [20] - Quote Dust 514 is a business. Dust 514 believes games should be a service. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked

Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:43:00 - [21] - Quote The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 419	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:45:00 - [22] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: 2. CCP Hilmar/the investors aren't convinced Legion is worth doing and are leaning no. This is a push to prove to him/them that there is profit to be had in this market. Good numbers now might equal the green light for Legion. I was gonna say this^ Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10236	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:59:00 - [23] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:09:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2219	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:12:00 - [25] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Her Chosen wrote: The goal and concept of DUST is to make ISK. Now, tell me again how this isn't a pay-to-win game? You buy SP, you buy ISK free items, you buy Jara that nets you more ISK. Winning matches 100% doesn't matter in this game. Even in FW, winning doesn't matter. ISK only matters, the whole purpose, like EvE, is wider your profit margin. PC and pubs don't matter, because districts net zero ISK now, so playing PC doesn't matter, and pubs pay you no matter how had you do. Change you old definition of what winning means. Because in DUST514, winning means profit. Pay... to... win. Where does it say that the goal and concept of Dust is the make ISK? I thought it was about making an impact and taking control of territories like the PC Districts? Having more ISK doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to win a FW battle. Again, your old definition of winning. You're a mercenary. What does a mercenary do?? Make money. The endgame broke when ISK generation was stopped. And truth is, 9/10, the team that spends the most ISK wins the match(assuming they are putting forth an effort to win, not just be non participants). Even FW rewards you for losing. And it still takes ISK to play it. Change your thinking man. All EvE centers around generating ISK. DUST is and always will be pay to win. Oh, you mean that undeniably, whenever faced: He who brings prototype INSTANTLY wins, unless faced with a higher ISK costing suit? I'll remember to keep that in mind... when i single handedly win a Domination because the enemy refuses to leave their Ck.0 brick scouts to counter my M-1 "quafe" Minja fitted with a total of (!!!) 9.9K isk in modules/weaponry. With that fit, I knifed, shotgunned, flaylocked, and meleed the enemy off the point because i could scan them, and they were too bricked/blind to see me waltz behind them. /null General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Michael Arck 6035	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:14:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dust 514 is a business. Dust 514 believes games should be a service. That still doesn't answer, why now? We all know its a business. Yet, its interesting to look at the respecs given after a firm stand on not giving out any, can be now done for a price. That's just one example. The Apex suits. Komora I just find the recent "bam! In your face AUR items for you to purchase plus double up your boosters" quite interesting to take note of. I find it very peculiar. I'm not implying its P2W either. I would love to know the motivations behind it but of course I won't find them. I can just have my speculations. Someone said they do this to spike up the fiscal reports. I know about that, but they haven't been this aggressive before. I really thought back and forth before making this thread. I was wondering if I would get objective observers who would discuss the parameters of the discussion in question or at least, people who have acknowledged these changes. I do understand that there's a high probable chance I will not get what I was looking for, only superficial. Or that the discussion would be warped into something else as people would want to promote their own "agendas" for lack of a better term. Yet if we stand back and look at the area of progression-none of it causes the mind to wonder a bit? Hmmm...that's interesting. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:30:00 - [27] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: I really don't know . There needs to be info on how much dust is/was making to gain an accurate idea . I think if someone can find the financial sheets. I don't think it is for funding Legion unless Dust is making them dozens of millions of dollars a year. Legion is most likely won't come out until a few years and the game will need a constant flow of money for development unless CCP expects dust to remain around that long. They already have eve to make them the vast majority of their money. Here are the current financials with some theory. http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47381/ccp%20financial%20statements%20june%2030%202013.pdf here's another I found.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4455	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:09:00 - [28] - Quote So we can fund the damn game! fucks sake you want more than hotfixes? If you haven't noticed, dust has quite a bit more lifespan if people pay for it. Tell us how to get you to pay a few bucks to CCP. I already do. I'm rank 10 fucks sake...i'm here. I want patches. You want patches? You saw what was in 1.9. Would you like more where that came from? Show CCP you want more development by buying some **. Tell us what more you want...and preferably something I don't need a patch to actually make (that would defeat the purpose...) CCP needs to come out and tell you guys more, but as i've said elsewhere I'll reiterate. I am VERY satisfied where the game is going, and so long as people choose to buy enough I think we've got a lot in store for us. Ratatti isn't just good at hotfixing balance **...This guys got vision. And so long as people give him the ability to...he's not going to let you down. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2734	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:41:00 - [29] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Pretty much this. Draw players, make money. It's just good common sense that any company should do and light fires under their own butts. Why the hell are people overheating this? It's a god damn game made by a god damn company. Are we really going to start making up crazy theories of why a company suddenly wants to draw more players and make more money? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1119	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:05:00 - [30] - Quote I am pretty optimistic thanks to seeing some awesome progress since the doomsday keynote. Personally I hope they are filling their coffers for some big time expansions in either Dust or Legion. I am sure sales were stagnating as everyone coasted along waiting to see what path the game would take.



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