DUST Search - So why the aggressive monetization of Dust?

castba wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

castba wrote:

by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down

Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ?

castba wrote:

instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding.

Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ?

It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP.

The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP.

The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP.

Saying otherwise would be dishonest

All true. I remember the original potential back in beta too, and yes CCP did bugger this game up for quite a while but that does seem to have changed with the updates and communication by the current Dust team

Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others.

Holding onto the past is never a good thing and holding the current Dust team accountable for the previous teams wrongs is like blaming your current partner for your ex's faults.
I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible and should not be absolved of partial blame for the hole we (yes "we", CCP, CPM and the community) are slowly climbing out of.

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Pisidon Gmen Ivory Vanguard 40	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:52:00 - [61] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear. Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters. One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew. But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. nothing game braking ???? have u seen the new bp drop suits 4 58k aur the scout suit stats is like a proto suit who after buying it will ever spend?? my op is there milking the 1k core players who have $$$$ to burn and then they start losing players do to cash players runing the battle with there bp stuff
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10248	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:57:00 - [62] - Quote I can say with some level of certainty why ccp is being aggressive with monetization recently. Because Rattati is in charge of Dust now. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4713	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 - [63] - Quote It's actually pretty tame monetization compared to most free-to-play games I've played. Zatara's posts in here may have been a bit blunt at times, but are basically spot on. CCP making money on DUST is a good thing for DUST players. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2349	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 - [64] - Quote castba wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: castba wrote: by a community that think they are getting either robbed or milked before a shut down Is that really surprising ? Can someone blame them ? castba wrote: instead of seeing the potentially positive aspects to further development through AUR sale funding. Same old speech i was giving to ppl 2 years and a half ago. Result ? It's amazing to even consider CCP counting on players to rebuild their game. They had money, they invested, they developed, they failed. Many reasons to that, and it's not really the fault of those in charge now. But that doesnt change anything to the problem here. The one who is SELLING something is CCP. The one who damaged this game and its community is CCP. The one that needs to make amend and invest, or let go. And in any case be open and transparent about it, is CCP. Saying otherwise would be dishonest All true. I remember the original potential back in beta too, and yes CCP did bugger this game up for quite a while but that does seem to have changed with the updates and communication by the current Dust team Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. Holding onto the past is never a good thing and holding the current Dust team accountable for the previous teams wrongs is like blaming your current partner for your ex's faults. I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible and should not be absolved of partial blame for the hole we (yes "we", CCP, CPM and the community) are slowly climbing out of. I always recommended Dust, starting day one, to people for the sole reason that what they were trying to do meant something to me. And i would have done it even harder if 1.9 had been 1.0. But there are things you just cant forgive, nor forget. And especially not with the tiny amount of work done since compared to the HUUUUUUUGE amount of feedback that has been fed to them over the course of 2 years. A little progress is a sign of good faith. Not a redemption. No matter who faulted in the first place, it's those in charge NOW that pay for it. Sad truth. And the first thing they should do is NOT DO THE SAME FIN mistakes, AK over monetizing, under-delivering, not communicating. "I would like to point out that this community has been pretty ducking terrible"* Why exactly ? Is there a gaming community that is all nice and cool and balanced ? Name one. Did that prevent other companies from doing amazing games with those broken, never satisfied communities ? No. Again, there's a party SELLING a game. And another one BUYING the game, and thus entitled to whatever opinion\rant it has. AFAIK, no player ever decided what to balance, what to prioritize, etc... And truth be told, if it had been the case, game wouldnt be in such a bad shape. And dude... we were a bad community ? Really ? Name one other game that had so many resources, apps, websites, organizations created in such very short time ? Aside from the massive AAA that exists for a decade now and have tv commercial and **** ? There aint much. CCP was blessed with that community. It had white noise, but also a ton of bright and invested people. I wont accept anything close to saying that the community plays a role in dust not succeeding. i reject that idea totally. CCP developped, CCP didnt listen feedback as it should have been, CCP kept a flawed team and management on that game for too long, refusing to see warning signs, so now i'm not gonna praise them for 5 month of work. I still have friends on Dust514, ppl i've known for 7 years and i feel sorry for them. Most of them spend 200+ euros on dust, some waaaaaaaay more. So now what ? they should keep giving without knowing anything for sure ? Just for the sake of a possible bright future ? The same they were promised before ? get out of here.... Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10248	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:00 - [65] - Quote Pisidon Gmen wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: They want more money. Its not a bad thing. Nothing game-breaking has been released as-so-far, besides lulz Protosuits w/basic gear. Only thing I could see as "aggressive monetization" is the stacking of boosters. One thing I could see, is that they may have ninja-greenlit Legion, and need more dough to keep the extra staff for Legion and to pay for the regular DUST crew. But that's me not being pessimistic as ****. nothing game braking ???? have u seen the new bp drop suits 4 58k aur the scout suit stats is like a proto suit who after buying it will ever spend?? my op is there milking the 1k core players who have $$$$ to burn and then they start losing players do to cash players runing the battle with there bp stuff Game changing, sure. But far from game breaking since the apex suits can be acquired through faction warfare if you put in sufficient effort. I'm doing that right now because I have better things to spend my AUR on than just a BPO suit with a terrible fit. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2349	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:01:00 - [66] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: I'm not about to speculate beyond the "CCP is a business so they need to make money" reason, but I will say that monetization of the game was one of the many things they had failed to implement correctly in this game. You know the devs had failed when they couldn't even monetize the game right. As rattati and crew have fixed many of the problems with the game, they have finally started to do some work to fix the monetization of it. Are they milking us before a shut down, prepping for legion, justifying legion, etc? Can't say for sure until we see how the future plays out. Cant argue. Been said over and over and over again for 2 years. With examples, and suggestions from the community..... => Dead letter. Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4464	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:03:00 - [67] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: It's actually pretty tame monetization compared to most free-to-play games I've played. Zatara's posts in here may have been a bit blunt at times, but are basically spot on. CCP making money on DUST is a good thing for DUST players. I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll, and I am not one to castigate when you're being sincere. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4938	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:04:00 - [68] - Quote Meh. So long as the servers stay open, the patches keep flowing and rouge takes the brass knuckles to anyone trying to undermine Rattati's work, I don't give a rippling sh*t why they are selling more stuff. Where's my damn Diet quafe commando suits and logi suits, nerds? Chop chop. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4713	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:05:00 - [69] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll I am a troll. I make no apologies for this. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 254	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:11:00 - [70] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: I'm not about to speculate beyond the "CCP is a business so they need to make money" reason, but I will say that monetization of the game was one of the many things they had failed to implement correctly in this game. You know the devs had failed when they couldn't even monetize the game right. As rattati and crew have fixed many of the problems with the game, they have finally started to do some work to fix the monetization of it. Are they milking us before a shut down, prepping for legion, justifying legion, etc? Can't say for sure until we see how the future plays out. Cant argue. Been said over and over and over again for 2 years. With examples, and suggestions from the community..... => Dead letter. Yeah, you know the original devs REALLY f*cked up when the community was telling them to monetize the game more and they didn't. Epic fail. LOL.

castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 641	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:19:00 - [71] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Overly sensitive diatribe Make no mistake, I do sincerely appreciate your passion. Whilst I don't know nor care about other game communities I can't imagine many would have had a regional server shut down in a similar manner as this "great" community did with the Oceania server, but I digress. We all have different perspectives and opinions and whilst I understand yours, our opinions and perspectives differ considerably. Stay bitter, vet o7 "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2349	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:23:00 - [72] - Quote castba wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Overly sensitive diatribe Make no mistake, I do sincerely appreciate your passion. Whilst I don't know nor care about other game communities I can't imagine many would have had a regional server shut down in a similar manner as this "great" community did with the Oceania server, but I digress. We all have different perspectives and opinions and whilst I understand yours, our opinions and perspectives differ considerably. Stay bitter, vet o7 LOL, so now the community is responsible for oceania server being shut down ? Here i was thinking it was low as fk player count from no communication and bad release planning. And you dont care about other communities ? lol, you're the one saying this one was **, so you probably have something to compare it with right ? Otherwise why are you even talking about it ? oh well... And our opinion and perspective differ considerably ? Re-read my previous message and you might consider not saying this. Otherwise you're pretty much saying that this community sucked and should only blame itself for the game failing. Stay bent over, fan boy o7 Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7709	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:23:00 - [73] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll I am a troll. I make no apologies for this. :) I KNEW IT Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2221	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:42:00 - [74] - Quote castba wrote: Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. No. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4948	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:56:00 - [75] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I don't try to mince words but i am not a troll I am a troll. I make no apologies for this. :) I KNEW IT Inb4therealizationthatitsnotexactlyarevelation EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4786	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:58:00 - [76] - Quote castba wrote: Question for you and other vets: If what we have now was released as Uprising 1.0, how would you feel about Dust and would you recommend it to others. We had Dust 1.9 (w/ hotfixes) in place on launch I would have kept several RL friends playing this game. They would probably still be playing as we speak. My advice to you, playa...
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 268	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:01:00 - [77] - Quote We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4949	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:04:00 - [78] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. Quafe suits appeal to the eye and the desire to be obnoxious. I maintain that MLT vehicle BPOs need to be a thing. #inb4sorayastartsvomitingaboutit. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 943	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:07:00 - [79] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. Quafe suits appeal to the eye and the desire to be obnoxious. I maintain that MLT vehicle BPOs need to be a thing. #inb4sorayastartsvomitingaboutit. Go go veteran and elite packs? #theyreathingagain Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 15	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:07:00 - [80] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I see a few possibilities: They are getting sold/are willing to sell soon. If this is the reality, then we, as supporters of the original vision of this game, and to the company as a whole, should wholeheartedly support the devs in showing their prospective purchasers "Hey guys, this game is REALLY profitable!" They are milking us for corporate greed. While this is a possibility, i don't see this as the most likely. They are milking us to fund Legion(whether they ran out, or foresee a shortage) This I wouldn't be opposed to, a company is a company, and it's not like they're putting paywalls in the game for us to spend 50 bucks on tearing down. They are milking us to fund additional DUST development(full racial parity, optimizations, new maps/sockets) This is my best case scenario, as this means we'll be wasting as little potential as possible. The PS3 is still a great system, it's just hard to code for. I mean, look at Crysis and various other games that i'm forgetting. In the end, whatever they're going to do, I support CCP wholeheartedly, both as a company, and as the DEVs for the game that single-handedly turned me into a spreadsheet scanning closet nerd(I already was before, what with Mechwarrior and Armored Core and all, but that wasn't spreadsheet reading and constant theorycrafting) Agreed, you played Armored Core? I did too, Last Raven was my favorite. I think I am love. lol

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4950	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:14:00 - [81] - Quote I meant BPO Sica/soma/gorgon/caldari flying turd. What's the name again? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2631	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:17:00 - [82] - Quote Militia Vehicules BPOs... I would buy that. 'Quafe' Vehicules BPOs Riots in the streets Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 483	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:56:00 - [83] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: castba wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: CCP realized the original business model of "free game with almost nothing anyone wants to buy" is perhaps not the most lucrative endeavor. This again and again. It is about time CCP did something to really temp players to buy AUR. I would say Dust has been a baptism by fire in developing an FPS but also in designing a successful FTP model that really pulls in some money. Both of which have been sorely lacking until recently. Well, pulling in money without actually going into pay to win. I use to think paid respecs were pay to win but then remembered that skill points don't guarantee a won match. Almost everyone has more SP than I do and I still do alright lol The non P2W aspect is why I still play. Everyone keeps bringing up the wedding as a reason to not pay out. Yes CCP screwed up, terribly, nearing the top of the list for PR nightmares I can think of, I was there I remember. That being said I've at leastdoubled the amount of $ spent on this game since Rattati took over than I had in all the previous time playing (well back in closed beta since someone will ask). Why? Simple, someone finally seems to give a **. The new team has managed to put out almost as much new guns, maps and general game balance in the last handful of months than the whole team in the previous 2 years. And that's disregarding the fact they had to clean up all the left behind when they started. Seriously cut the "wah Rouge hurt my feelings a year ago" ** out. In short' HTFU or GTFO Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4955	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:57:00 - [84] - Quote Anarchide wrote: 'Quafe' Vehicules BPOs You would actually see me joyriding if this was a thing. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2547	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:28:00 - [85] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Really, 1.9 might as well have been called "Ways to spend money." None of it is entirely terrible but the prices are nuts. 30 some odd for the APEX, Quafe suits more than 10 bucks, and it is just a pallet swap. Let's take a look at some differently priced skins in League of Legends: Astronaut Teemo. Completely new visuals on spells, new drawn skin, and voice change. 10 bucks. Uncle Ryze. One added joke, added materials like hat, color swap with every else. 4 dollars. Brolaf. 100% new visuals and voice over work. 14 dollars. The Quafe Suits could have been made in no time at all. It is a color swap mostly. None of the suits look vastly different in regards to shape, sound, or feel. The added benefit of "well, you don't have to spend ISK on a suit" is there but eventually they are going to just be skins and at those prices for such a small effect, it seems really quite lame. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1280	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:42:00 - [86] - Quote It seemed that at the time of FanFest CCP was looking to get bought out by another company. It is pretty standard to try to maximize short term profits to look more attractive. The more hopeful part of me likes to believe that since the coming of Dust Jesus the playerbase has shown enough willingness to spend their money and make continued development feasible and they are both testing this and trying to maximize profits. If it works, onwards and upwards, if it doesn't, slow slide into oblivion. Because, that's why.
Michael Arck 6042	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:33:00 - [87] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Thanks for this. I was surprised so I questioned. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 6042	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:43:00 - [88] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zatara, that whole tirade is not necessary. And this is the CPM? Sounds like a child. Yeah if you think that was a tirade...I failed and you weren't paying attention. The context of your post suggested otherwise. The usage of your caps lock says otherwise. Your first answer, "so we can fund the damn game" says otherwise. There's a way to talk to people that gets your point across without resembling an agitated person who doesn't like what he's hearing or indicating that he believes the person to be just complaining about something, just to be complaining. I wanted mature answers with a mature outlook. Not some tirade. As a representative of the CPM, you should be mindful of that. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10255	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:54:00 - [89] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We asked them to make something we wanted they did and we bought it. It has always sold things just not things that sparkle. It is the fact that in the last few weeks, there has been a sharp increase of things being sold. The Quafe suits, the return of the Mercenary Packs (that were removed for "health of the game"), market agent, APEX Suits, triple boosters, and respec. We did ask for BPO's and Respec but it is the opening of the floodgate that I think is what people should be surprised at. Really, 1.9 might as well have been called "Ways to spend money." None of it is entirely terrible but the prices are nuts. 30 some odd for the APEX, Quafe suits more than 10 bucks, and it is just a pallet swap. Let's take a look at some differently priced skins in League of Legends: Astronaut Teemo. Completely new visuals on spells, new drawn skin, and voice change. 10 bucks. Uncle Ryze. One added joke, added materials like hat, color swap with every else. 4 dollars. Brolaf. 100% new visuals and voice over work. 14 dollars. The Quafe Suits could have been made in no time at all. It is a color swap mostly. None of the suits look vastly different in regards to shape, sound, or feel. The added benefit of "well, you don't have to spend ISK on a suit" is there but eventually they are going to just be skins and at those prices for such a small effect, it seems really quite lame. Yet people like us still buy them. That's more of a reflection of us than of CCP. A lot of this stuff they're selling is more focused on vanity than game changing. I told CCP a long time ago that vanity items will sell very fast if they focus on that. Just look at PSHome* and see for yourself how much anyone is willing to spend on a little bling for their internet Barbie. EDIT: * - Well, at least before Sony announced the coming shutdown of PSHome. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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