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Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 596	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:03:00 - [1] - Quote I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19000	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:05:00 - [2] - Quote fetches popcorn You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 886	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:10:00 - [3] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. ok but we should also take away racial dropsuits and weapons... a game that promotes racism and different methods to kill someone is wrong. They should limit everything to one medium suit and only AR. That way everyone has an equal opportunity to kill each other. I like scouts because they go boom in 1-2 missiles... easiest way to gain WP. I vote for them to stay -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14498	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:11:00 - [4] - Quote We certainly do not. Though I do with the cloak was a tactical tool rather than a means to bum rush the enemy while visually cloaked. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1866	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:15:00 - [5] - Quote Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 181	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. Who said that ?? Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 287	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight. I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around. That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:19:00 - [8] - Quote The problem isn't the cloak. The point of a scout is to be stealthy and sneak up on people but the problem is the range of the shotgun. Scouts should use their speed and stealth to get close and shoot u in the back but a shotgun that can basically shoot 20m defeats their role. Also ccp needs to limit the weapons scouts can use to shotguns and smgs as their primary and pistols and nk as their secondarys so scouts cant use the rr and cr and run as assaults.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 164	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:20:00 - [9] - Quote Have you seen cloaks on maps with the new moods? yes, you have because its easy They're sneaking up on you because they're not on radar and you are
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5809	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote Typical pointless thread: I don't like A therefore everyone else must agree that A should be removed from game. A happens in part because of B, therefore removing B entirely from the game will fix A. I mean, who cares if there are better solutions than B or that complete removal of B will decrease overall balance worse than having B in game presents. Who cares if B isn't the most significant part of the problem and that fixing C and D would go a long way towards creating better balance. I mean, that would take some actual brain power and thought, rather than spamming ridiculous conclusions. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19003	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:28:00 - [11] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Only incompetent scouts get scanned. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4699	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:29:00 - [12] - Quote No. The goal is to add new content and gameplay to the game, not remove content and gameplay that exists. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 398	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:33:00 - [13] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Ever play a PC? Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
XxVEXESxX 48	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:34:00 - [14] - Quote Instead of removing lets repurpose. [suggestion] Thread Hope this helps. PSN: XxVEXESxX Minmatar loyalist MK.0 A/C/L
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 596	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:36:00 - [15] - Quote Do you guys not remember a time when we didn't have cloaks, Dust was a lot better game for it, I actually respected what scouts could do back then. Cloaked shotgun scouts are worse than snipers now, lowest of the low.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 816	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:36:00 - [16] - Quote This was a fun little idea to counter backside attackers: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180061&find=unread ISK Trader channel: blitz
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 887	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:37:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: No. The goal is to add new content and gameplay to the game, not remove content and gameplay that exists. so that means I can fly my logi derpship now or drive my logi lav now??? Let me equip that accelerated missile turret on my ADS... oh wait... thought goal was not to remove content and gameplay that exists...... While I agree we shouldn't remove cloakers.... this argument is invalid. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 600	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:39:00 - [18] - Quote i Soraya Xel wrote: No. The goal is to add new content and gameplay to the game, not remove content and gameplay that exists. Is that your final decision is it. You calling the shots now buddy?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4700	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:40:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: so that means I can fly my logi derpship now or drive my logi lav now??? Let me equip that accelerated missile turret on my ADS... oh wait... thought goal was not to remove content and gameplay that exists...... Things done in the era B.R. (Before Rattati) are not to be admitted as evidence. Mistakes were made. Getting vehicle variants back in the game is definitely on our radar as, to be real, easy content to get back. The art's in the game already, it's practically hotfixable. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5863	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:41:00 - [20] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. No. go away troll. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....

hfderrtgvcd 1141	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:41:00 - [21] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Ever play a PC? lol. You've clearly never played against delt before. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 398	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:43:00 - [22] - Quote Remove the Cloak bonus from the Scouts and turn it into a more general bonus. Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 398	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:45:00 - [23] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Pushing Charlie wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Ever play a PC? lol. You've clearly never played against delt before. I have, he sat in a Soma all battle. Never seen him in a PC nor have a lot of my corpmates Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4436	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:45:00 - [24] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: I like scouts because they go boom in 1-2 missiles... easiest way to gain WP. I vote for them to stay scouts =/= cloaks B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4436	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:46:00 - [25] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner LMAO try scanning any scout with half a brain. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 888	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:47:00 - [26] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sir Snugglz wrote: so that means I can fly my logi derpship now or drive my logi lav now??? Let me equip that accelerated missile turret on my ADS... oh wait... thought goal was not to remove content and gameplay that exists...... Things done in the era B.R. (Before Rattati) are not to be admitted as evidence. Mistakes were made. Getting vehicle variants back in the game is definitely on our radar as, to be real, easy content to get back. The art's in the game already, it's practically hotfixable. A dream is a wiiiiish your heart makes... when you're fast asleep... JETS. lol -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4436	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:47:00 - [27] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight. I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around. Actually the decloak sound is bugged. Known issue. And the footsteps also does not work if they are behind you. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Ablerober Pretty Violence 191	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:51:00 - [28] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. After my respec last week I decided not to skill back into shotguns or cloaks thus my shotgunning fatties and unaware snipers has come to an end. And I feel better for it. Anyway, I can see your point but for me it makes each battle more exciting. I'm over getting annoyed or frustrated now. Its not worth it. Plus I kill cloaked scouts in most matches haha
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4436	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:57:00 - [29] - Quote I do not support cloaks being removed. Although I will go to the grave saying that they should not be combat oriented. 3 second delay before firing, 3 second delay after firing/hacking before you can recloak. They need to be for recon and covert operations. using the best innate e-war in all three aspects to made dust easy mode for you to shotgun people in the back or worse frisbee some re's hoping your prey won't hear the sound is just cheezy. I lament PC now more than ever.. Scouts in 1.7 needed an e-war buff Assaults with the commando bonus to damage + current bonuses and slots (minus cal assault and perhaps gal assault) fixes the problem of slayer logi's. Heavies were fine in 1.7 Logi's with the nerf to reps and buff to assaults would have been fine. The e-war game was better in 1.7 aside from scout needing a better advantage. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 182	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:02:00 - [30] - Quote Scout hating sigh stop crying and join them! We have free cookies! Or just do like I do and be a Logiscout "For The State! That is the only three words I will ever need to know." - Sir Raven wing

Yelhsa Jin-Mao New 'Recruits' Get Paid ISK - Ask For Details 402	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:11:00 - [31] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. How about instead of taking away cloaks, we take away the scouts light weapon slot, mmmmkay. And no, you CANT have my ISK!!!
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5817	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:14:00 - [32] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I do not support cloaks being removed. Although I will go to the grave saying that they should not be combat oriented. 3 second delay before firing, 3 second delay after firing/hacking before you can recloak. They need to be for recon and covert operations. using the best innate e-war in all three aspects to made dust easy mode for you to shotgun people in the back or worse frisbee some re's hoping your prey won't hear the sound is just cheezy. I lament PC now more than ever.. Scouts in 1.7 needed an e-war buff Assaults with the commando bonus to damage + current bonuses and slots (minus cal assault and perhaps gal assault) fixes the problem of slayer logi's. Heavies were fine in 1.7 Logi's with the nerf to reps and buff to assaults would have been fine. The e-war game was better in 1.7 aside from scout needing a better advantage. While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty. Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say. If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2241	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:22:00 - [33] - Quote LOL. this age old debate. Ehhh I tried them for research and they have to many advantages compared to disadvantages. I would like to see a week with out them, then we will go from there. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4438	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:23:00 - [34] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty. Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say. If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts. Uncloaked =/= Visible It would be a liability for offensive combat purposes. But for recon and the like it'd be fine. And if you do get seen and engaged as a scout..you just run...that's precisely what happens in game in most situations. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 182	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:30:00 - [35] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. How about instead of taking away cloaks, we take away the scouts light weapon slot, mmmmkay. That will only get rid of decent scouts and some K/D scouts, the rest will find a way around... Please no one ever listen to him! I love my Logiscout! Please! Not going to happen? Okay "For The State! That is the only three words I will ever need to know." - Sir Raven wing
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 27	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:33:00 - [36] - Quote While I do agree that scouts are the lowest of the low I don't agree that it is the fault of the cloak. In general the only problem I have with scouts is how damn fast they are, the effective range of the shotguns, and how far they can throw remotes. I understand that scouts should be fast but this has gotten little bit out of control. Add in even the smallest amount of lag and many scouts will simply disappear. Being a scout should be alot of picking off the stragglers and flanking the enemy but we see scouts running through mob of opponents and not getting touched. Add in how far they can throw a remote and you've got a real problem on your hands that is leading to scout spam. I don't know what the solution is but there are bigger issues to deal with than the cloak. I would start with the remotes tbh. I see them as a trap device you should have to stop and set derectly in front of you and not as something you throw. Right now they are functionally a remote sticky bomb. Garbage Day!
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 882	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:35:00 - [37] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight. I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around. Not for long according to a reply on one thread IWS wants us to 'only hear the things we can see'
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5817	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:37:00 - [38] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: One Eyed King wrote: While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty. Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say. If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts. Uncloaked =/= Visible It would be a liability for offensive combat purposes. But for recon and the like it'd be fine. And if you do get seen and engaged as a scout..you just run...that's precisely what happens in game in most situations. When you are caught in the open, without any cover to run to, it is more a matter of desperation. It would be nice if we could speed tank and maybe be a little more evasive in the open, but I don't think that is a possibility. I don't get where you are going with the uncloaked does =/= visible, can you elaborate? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
LOADED'HORN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 120	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:30:00 - [39] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: fetches popcorn Are you 12? The cloak has made this game like dumb and dumber. Sci fi cool idea. Poorly integrated in the game. Cloak shottys are my #1 go out of my way to kill scrub jerks. What would I do with out you? Relax and play the game of course. Why do you all think its cool or good? It seems like easy mode to me. I don't use it, because it's wrong in FPS lol. Even old school shotty go bang uses it. Lost all respect for him. I don't know why it's good at all. You scrubs must love it though, and Ccp cannot or will not fix it. Balance LOL. Props to the op Spaceman to stand up and say the truth in contrast to your NO point of view attitudes. ESAD cloak shotgunners. Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 782	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:41:00 - [40] - Quote You should be banned for ridiculousness. DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS

Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1577	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:45:00 - [41] - Quote Yes, God, please remove them. As a shotgun scout (who doesn't like cloaks, but prefers to use hiding around corners and such) I hate that no skill shotgunners can literally sit right beside an objective and be unscannable (Gal, 3 damps) even with GalLogi Focused scanner, it's a sad tactic. Knight Soiaire = my bae
LOADED'HORN KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 120	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:46:00 - [42] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: You should be banned for ridiculousness. Me? Oh no that would make me happy. I don't like happy, that's the opposite of Ccp meta/data gameing. Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:46:00 - [43] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. Nope. Nothing else left to say. The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:47:00 - [44] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Yes, God, please remove them. As a shotgun scout (who doesn't like cloaks, but prefers to use hiding around corners and such) I hate that no skill shotgunners can literally sit right beside an objective and be unscannable (Gal, 3 damps) even with GalLogi Focused scanner, it's a sad tactic. You call it sad, I call it winning. The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1577	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:49:00 - [45] - Quote Stevez Wingyip wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Yes, God, please remove them. As a shotgun scout (who doesn't like cloaks, but prefers to use hiding around corners and such) I hate that no skill shotgunners can literally sit right beside an objective and be unscannable (Gal, 3 damps) even with GalLogi Focused scanner, it's a sad tactic. You call it sad, I call it winning. Really? Are you "winning" by sitting in one spot all game? Are you having fun? Knight Soiaire = my bae
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1830	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:58:00 - [46] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1103	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:01:00 - [47] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I do not support cloaks being removed. Although I will go to the grave saying that they should not be combat oriented. 3 second delay before firing, 3 second delay after firing/hacking before you can recloak. They need to be for recon and covert operations. using the best innate e-war in all three aspects to made dust easy mode for you to shotgun people in the back or worse frisbee some re's hoping your prey won't hear the sound is just cheezy. I lament PC now more than ever.. Scouts in 1.7 needed an e-war buff Assaults with the commando bonus to damage + current bonuses and slots (minus cal assault and perhaps gal assault) fixes the problem of slayer logi's. Heavies were fine in 1.7 Logi's with the nerf to reps and buff to assaults would have been fine. The e-war game was better in 1.7 aside from scout needing a better advantage. I don't mind cloaked scouts in and of themselves, but they have too many advantages at this point. Scouting was more fun before the buffs, it was a challenge that required you to take better angles and routes. Also bring back the volleyball agaisnt the wall sound for shotguns, that was terrifying on its own. If you heard that anywhere on the map you took notice. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
iKILLu osborne Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 458	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:00 - [48] - Quote the problem isn't the cloak, it is the fact that precision enhancors are not the same % as dampeners allowing any scout (not just the gal) to be unscannable with spare low slots(aside from cal), and same problem with active scanners lp cal scout i demand it z platoon, cfw channel
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1103	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:00 - [49] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot. I ran across a dual light weapon scout the other day, it was quite effective I'll have to admit. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 627	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:03:00 - [50] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. My dear matee boyo, Rattati told last week (i think) they will ad longer delay after decloak..just be patient boyo *"Savvy"*

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5823	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:06:00 - [51] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot. I ran across a dual light weapon scout the other day, it was quite effective I'll have to admit. The only suit that can use two light weapons are Commandos. There is no dual light weapon scout. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 148	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:13:00 - [52] - Quote How about NO I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 400	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:17:00 - [53] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: fetches popcorn I bought 10 boxes of popcorn. Just to Fetch it at the laptop screen. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 183	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:18:00 - [54] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. My dear matee boyo, Rattati told last week (i think) they will ad longer delay after decloak..just be patient boyo No! I will no longer have a useful escape plan! "For The State! That is the only three words I will ever need to know." - Sir Raven wing
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 365	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:20:00 - [55] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight. I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around. Actually the decloak sound is bugged. Known issue. And the footsteps also does not work if they are behind you. This. Also, on an note related more directly to the OP, don't need to remove cloak. Just change it so it's a tactical survival tool more than an assault tool.
Protocake JR USA Caucasians 1590	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:25:00 - [56] - Quote This is more of a shotgun problem than a cloak problem.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 619	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:29:00 - [57] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. If they're shooting you in the back, the cloak wouldn't matter because you wouldn't have seen them anyway...? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I survived 1.8! Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
iKILLu osborne Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 458	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:47:00 - [58] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. If they're shooting you in the back, the cloak wouldn't matter because you wouldn't have seen them anyway...? cloaks give a dampening bonus, and also others would see the scout, and also the scout would be discouraged to make the attempt when seeing more than one red on radar lp cal scout i demand it z platoon, cfw channel
TritusX PH4NT0M5 49	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:57:00 - [59] - Quote I don't give a crap on SG scouts. Just need a cloak for running across open fields because SMG and NK fit If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 793	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:58:00 - [60] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Tell me again; how is the cloak the problem here? Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?

NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 593	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:00:00 - [61] - Quote Hmm.. Maybe you can add a drone to fly behind a player for a 3rd person view.. Might help some players and put drones in the game. Yeah, +1 for cloakie tanks :) Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2212	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:02:00 - [62] - Quote Sure and while we're at it, remove MInmatar Scouts. They're not scouts, they're assassins, something everyone explicitly hates in scouts. Meanwhile in HAWKEN... Scout class has rocket launcher and Heavy class Shotgun. Meanwhile in Star Wars Battlefront 2... Bothans have cloak, flamethrower and remote explosives. Meanwhile in Crysis.... Meanwhile in Mechwarrior.... Meanwhile... In all seriousness, the Cloak is just not performing as intended, and as such is being repurposed to fit said role. The intended purpose of Clack was "an insertion tool, to get a scout reliably within range, or to traverse open terrain." Currently it performs that admirably, however there is not enough drawbacks/limitations to limit the "instashotgunfromclack" gameplay that is going on now. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:14:00 - [63] - Quote Lets remove the mexicans from the game, im tired of their lag. Lol no ok removing cloaks is as stupid as banning mexicans from the game Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 64	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:24:00 - [64] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight. I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around. BS arguement under the circumstances of this game. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 64	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:25:00 - [65] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner BS arguement under the circumstances of this game. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Protocake JR USA Caucasians 1590	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:41:00 - [66] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Lets remove the mexicans from the game, im tired of their lag. Lol no ok removing cloaks is as stupid as banning mexicans from the game Away with the illegals!!!!
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4452	Posted - 2014.11.13 01:58:00 - [67] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: One Eyed King wrote: While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty. Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say. If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts. Uncloaked =/= Visible It would be a liability for offensive combat purposes. But for recon and the like it'd be fine. And if you do get seen and engaged as a scout..you just run...that's precisely what happens in game in most situations. When you are caught in the open, without any cover to run to, it is more a matter of desperation. It would be nice if we could speed tank and maybe be a little more evasive in the open, but I don't think that is a possibility. I don't get where you are going with the uncloaked does =/= visible, can you elaborate? If you get caught in the open..delay or no delay you're ****** unless you close the distance or win a strafe battle. As for the uncloaked =/= visible, what i mean is exactly what i said. Just because you're uncloaked doesn't mean you can't be in cover, unscanned, out of someone's FoV. I never saw roner, or fusion, or catdog, or frost kitty, but they didn't have cloaks. Cloaks should not be offensive combat oriented. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 603	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:02:00 - [68] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Tell me again; how is the cloak the problem here? Because without that bloody cloak they wouldn't be able to seek up on me. Don't any of you remember what it was like before cloaks, are your memories that short? we never had this problem before.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5866	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:04:00 - [69] - Quote STOP.FEEDING.IT. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 603	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:15:00 - [70] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: STOP.FEEDING.IT. Can't wait to see you in game, jump in your squad and call you out for being a ****. I take it you use the shotgun cloak combo and that's why you keep calling me a troll.

Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5429	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:23:00 - [71] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Scanners were nerfed at the request of Scouts who claimed that the buffed scanner stats would render them useless. Now you still need a Proto Scanner on a Gallente Logi just to find a Scout running a single Dampener. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 264	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:24:00 - [72] - Quote They completely broke them for any scout trying to be sneaky so they might as well get rid of them. The only thing cloaks accomplish now is killing off their player base... they are about to lose one more. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2972	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:45:00 - [73] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. Troll post is troll. EDIT: to paraphrase a catchphrase - "Your lack of adaptability does not constitute an emergency for me" I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1104	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:49:00 - [74] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot. I ran across a dual light weapon scout the other day, it was quite effective I'll have to admit. The only suit that can use two light weapons are Commandos. There is no dual light weapon scout. Oh didn't catch that, I meant dual sidearm. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5828	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:55:00 - [75] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot. I ran across a dual light weapon scout the other day, it was quite effective I'll have to admit. The only suit that can use two light weapons are Commandos. There is no dual light weapon scout. Oh didn't catch that, I meant dual sidearm. A lot of scouts do actually run them. I use NKs, and use them in my primary slot, as do a lot of other knifers. I like having the flexibility to do so, but unlike others, wouldn't want to force people into the same play style by replacing the light weapons slot with another side arm slot. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 518	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:58:00 - [76] - Quote Getting ****** in the arse by scouts only hurts when they use remotes or shotguns. cloaks can stay, nerf shotguns and remotes.
Mr Machine Guns 926	Posted - 2014.11.13 02:59:00 - [77] - Quote maybe instead of getting rid the cloak you bring back the ability to scan 360 degrees
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 284	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:01:00 - [78] - Quote Cloaks are just another thing that hobbles Dust from ever reaching potential. All you people hoping for a PS4 port can forget about it. Consoles are for the casual market, and casuals are scared off by cloak users. Where do you find hardcore I-must-have-success-at-any-price-or-my-life-isnt-worth-living types? On PC of course. Dust is already a hard game to learn. The maps are vast and unintuitive, theres a million different fittings and combinations, squads of vets who spend all day wielding Sentinel and Scout *K.0 proto fits vs new players in milita gear. On top of that, there are also invisible players who come along and kill people doing the most inoffensive things, like resupplying on a hive or manning a turret. So should cloaks be removed? No, but as long as they stay, you should expect Dust/Legion to never reach its potential. Think about it. Lets say PvE happens in Legion. What will new players play? Fair and balanced PvE, or invisible douchebag vets shooting you in the back? Ive seen it happen in other games. PvE becomes the majority because PvP gets too frustrating.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 265	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:23:00 - [79] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Cloaks are just another thing that hobbles Dust from ever reaching potential. All you people hoping for a PS4 port can forget about it. Consoles are for the casual market, and casuals are scared off by cloak users. Where do you find hardcore I-must-have-success-at-any-price-or-my-life-isnt-worth-living types? On PC of course. Dust is already a hard game to learn. The maps are vast and unintuitive, theres a million different fittings and combinations, squads of vets who spend all day wielding Sentinel and Scout *K.0 proto fits vs new players in milita gear. On top of that, there are also invisible players who come along and kill people doing the most inoffensive things, like resupplying on a hive or manning a turret. So should cloaks be removed? No, but as long as they stay, you should expect Dust/Legion to never reach its potential. Think about it. Lets say PvE happens in Legion. What will new players play? Fair and balanced PvE, or invisible douchebag vets shooting you in the back? Ive seen it happen in other games. PvE becomes the majority because PvP gets too frustrating. There is a bit of a learning curve for this game, but it is by no means that encumbering. What does encumber is that you have to learn to exploit in order to play it which along with the imbalances kills any real strategic or RP aspects of the game. Strategy: exploit MM - Strategy: OHK player - Strategy: Highest Range/Dps Weapon - Strategy: turn off ps4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-7RutsoEk I am done playing this piece of trash game from now on I am a red line sniper. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4549	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:26:00 - [80] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner No Margin of Error on a cloaked scout is hilarious, even if they run away. Am I the only one who thinks this?

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4550	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:31:00 - [81] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Cloaks are just another thing that hobbles Dust from ever reaching potential. All you people hoping for a PS4 port can forget about it. Consoles are for the casual market, and casuals are scared off by cloak users. Where do you find hardcore I-must-have-success-at-any-price-or-my-life-isnt-worth-living types? On PC of course. Dust is already a hard game to learn. The maps are vast and unintuitive, theres a million different fittings and combinations, squads of vets who spend all day wielding Sentinel and Scout *K.0 proto fits vs new players in milita gear. On top of that, there are also invisible players who come along and kill people doing the most inoffensive things, like resupplying on a hive or manning a turret. So should cloaks be removed? No, but as long as they stay, you should expect Dust/Legion to never reach its potential. Think about it. Lets say PvE happens in Legion. What will new players play? Fair and balanced PvE, or invisible douchebag vets shooting you in the back? Ive seen it happen in other games. PvE becomes the majority because PvP gets too frustrating. Um, consoles aren't exclusive to the console market, just as Dust as is infested with casuals (mostly due to the fact that it's F2P), we have a small community of 'hardcore' players. That's like saying, "PC are for the white collared gentlemen because they all work in cubicles."
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10229	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:32:00 - [82] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Sure and while we're at it, remove MInmatar Scouts. They're not scouts, they're assassins, something everyone explicitly hates in scouts. Meanwhile in HAWKEN... Scout class has rocket launcher and Heavy class Shotgun. Meanwhile in Star Wars Battlefront 2... Bothans have cloak, flamethrower and remote explosives. Meanwhile in Crysis.... Meanwhile in Mechwarrior.... Meanwhile... In all seriousness, the Cloak is just not performing as intended, and as such is being repurposed to fit said role. The intended purpose of Clack was "an insertion tool, to get a scout reliably within range, or to traverse open terrain." Currently it performs that admirably, however there is not enough drawbacks/limitations to limit the "instashotgunfromclack" gameplay that is going on now. Precisely this. CCP Rattati is also looking into the possibility of extending the decloak delay to at least 1 second so that we can be sure there is enough to keep the scout from instantly firing the shotgun upon decloaking. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2213	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:38:00 - [83] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: STOP.FEEDING.IT. Can't wait to see you in game, jump in your squad and call you out for being a ****. I take it you use the shotgun cloak combo and that's why you keep calling me a troll. As a matter of fact, he's a Caldari Assault with a highly "ow" tastic Rail Rifle. Suck on those, loser. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3411	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:38:00 - [84] - Quote Rob, you're shitting up the forums, that's my job. http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 730	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:41:00 - [85] - Quote If anything the cloak needs to be improved. It is far too easy to see a cloaked person. It doesn't matter what race or abilities, the bright shimmer is very obvious to see. Cloaked scouts are quite easy to kill since I always get the first few shots before they can uncloak and begin to fire. Make the shimmer less bright and obvious to see. Hell even snipers can just pick them off as they run across the field. If you think the shimmer is not bright then play with your screen settings.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 265	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:47:00 - [86] - Quote The delay doesn't matter because scouts are the leaders in dampening it is the reason scouts can opt to not use the cloaks at all. The difference is being actually and figuratively invisible which is no difference at all merely semantics. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10230	Posted - 2014.11.13 04:00:00 - [87] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: The delay doesn't matter because scouts are the leaders in dampening it is the reason scouts can opt to not use the cloaks at all. The difference is being actually and figuratively invisible which is no difference at all merely semantics. A low enough dps that prey gets a chance to react is what needs to happen. I would rather see the delay removed and something like 90% dmg reduction when firing from cloak field that way scouts get a chance to expose themselves instead of just waiting .33 or 1sec. to ohk someone not that this would really addresses the issue either. And that is why EWAR being looked into by CCP Rattati and his team. He's already hosting a topic on it. The EWAR changes along with the decloak delay will go a long way in improving the game. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 764	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:44:00 - [88] - Quote the cloak needs three things to balance it out 1) cloak disrupted if cloaked suit takes weapon damage. 2) louder sound when cloaking/uncloaking. 3) mandatory cool-down time for uncloaking early The PS2 Whiteboard Project https://docs.google.com/document/d/14yCg0oUUyqJUTCSzIRx4z_dhS1aXHbubI0Hb3H6x5Is/edit
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:08:00 - [89] - Quote I love how the people whining about scouts are those who have never played as them. I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 177	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:33:00 - [90] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. Im a pretty big critic of how cloaking and dampening works in this game, but I dont think they should be removed. I think we need an actual counter to the cloak/dampening combo implemented in the game. Also I think the graphical effect on the cloak needs to be made more consistent so certain lighting doesnt make it horribly obvious and some lighting doesnt make it completely invisible. If we're never going to get that counter though, yeah as a second option I'd rather not have cloaks in the game.

Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 177	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:45:00 - [91] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Why do you spread this bull and try to influence people into wasting points on active scanners? For anyone reading this: There is no active scanner or passive scan in the game that will scan a correctly fit scout. Not one. It is a waste of time to skill into these things if your intention is to reveal scouts. Scout dampening is so dominant over scanning of any kind its rediculous, this is one of the big issues with scout balance right now. Scanning absolutely creams medium/heavy suits but has no effect at all on a properly fit scout except drive his hp down (which does not matter much for a scout who is being played by someone who isnt ********, so I dont want anyone crying about muh poor poor tiny hp pool being some huge drawback)
Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 965	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:05:00 - [92] - Quote They should have released the Bubble Shield instead. Just sayin'. "Cloak" translates to "Scrub" in Dust. ( . )( . )
poison Diego Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 490	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:09:00 - [93] - Quote Pushing Charlie wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Ever play a PC? No but I very often play REs 514... is there a contradiction to jealousy? . if so, KingThunderBolt would know....
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 152	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:14:00 - [94] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: They should have released the Bubble Shield instead. Just sayin'. "Cloak" translates to "Scrub" in Dust. Actually, it's Shotty-Cloak = Scrub. Nova Knives-Cloak = Minja in training. Nova Knives without cloak = Hard Mode. I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 268	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:07:00 - [95] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Sneaking up? Someones not running a scanner Why do you spread this bull and try to influence people into wasting points on active scanners? For anyone reading this: There is no active scanner or passive scan in the game that will scan a correctly fit scout. Not one. It is a waste of time to skill into these things if your intention is to reveal scouts. Scout dampening is so dominant over scanning of any kind its rediculous, this is one of the big issues with scout balance right now. Scanning absolutely creams medium/heavy suits but has no effect at all on a properly fit scout except drive his hp down (which does not matter much for a scout who is being played by someone who isnt ********, so I dont want anyone crying about muh poor poor tiny hp pool being some huge drawback) This is incorrect with the last ewar changes everyone is visible to gal logi pro scanner dr was added to damps. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 923	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:10:00 - [96] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. No. go away troll. Wow.... I thought I'd never see the day..... What a time to be alive! CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG


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