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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
New 'Recruits' Get Paid ISK - Ask For Details
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:11:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree.
How about instead of taking away cloaks, we take away the scouts light weapon slot, mmmmkay.
And no, you CANT have my ISK!!!
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:14:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I do not support cloaks being removed.
Although I will go to the grave saying that they should not be combat oriented.
3 second delay before firing, 3 second delay after firing/hacking before you can recloak.
They need to be for recon and covert operations. using the best innate e-war in all three aspects to made dust easy mode for you to shotgun people in the back or worse frisbee some re's hoping your prey won't hear the sound is just cheezy.
I lament PC now more than ever..
Scouts in 1.7 needed an e-war buff
Assaults with the commando bonus to damage + current bonuses and slots (minus cal assault and perhaps gal assault) fixes the problem of slayer logi's.
Heavies were fine in 1.7
Logi's with the nerf to reps and buff to assaults would have been fine.
The e-war game was better in 1.7 aside from scout needing a better advantage.
While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty.
Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say.
If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:22:00 -
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LOL. this age old debate. Ehhh I tried them for research and they have to many advantages compared to disadvantages. I would like to see a week with out them, then we will go from there.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4438
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:23:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty.
Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say.
If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts.
Uncloaked =/= Visible
It would be a liability for offensive combat purposes. But for recon and the like it'd be fine.
And if you do get seen and engaged as a scout..you just run...that's precisely what happens in game in most situations.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
182
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:30:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. How about instead of taking away cloaks, we take away the scouts light weapon slot, mmmmkay.
That will only get rid of decent scouts and some K/D scouts, the rest will find a way around...
Please no one ever listen to him! I love my Logiscout! Please!
Not going to happen? Okay 
"For The State! That is the only three words I will ever need to know." - Sir Raven wing
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Patrilicus
Trash Bucket
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:33:00 -
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While I do agree that scouts are the lowest of the low I don't agree that it is the fault of the cloak.
In general the only problem I have with scouts is how damn fast they are, the effective range of the shotguns, and how far they can throw remotes.
I understand that scouts should be fast but this has gotten little bit out of control. Add in even the smallest amount of lag and many scouts will simply disappear. Being a scout should be alot of picking off the stragglers and flanking the enemy but we see scouts running through mob of opponents and not getting touched. Add in how far they can throw a remote and you've got a real problem on your hands that is leading to scout spam.
I don't know what the solution is but there are bigger issues to deal with than the cloak.
I would start with the remotes tbh. I see them as a trap device you should have to stop and set derectly in front of you and not as something you throw. Right now they are functionally a remote sticky bomb.
Garbage Day!
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:35:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight.
I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:37:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
While I like the idea of a delay, I think a good 1 second where a scout is fully visible before they are able to use a weapon is plenty.
Anything more, and you make it too much of a liability. Remember, cloaks are not by and large completely invisible, whatever any of your half thunderbolt video making CPM brethren might say.
If a cloaked scout is spotted and engaged, 3 seconds is WAAAAY to long for them to return fire. Especially considering in such an instance they are already at a significant HP advantage. One second is already well beyond the TTK for most, if not all, dampened scouts.
Uncloaked =/= Visible It would be a liability for offensive combat purposes. But for recon and the like it'd be fine. And if you do get seen and engaged as a scout..you just run...that's precisely what happens in game in most situations.
When you are caught in the open, without any cover to run to, it is more a matter of desperation. It would be nice if we could speed tank and maybe be a little more evasive in the open, but I don't think that is a possibility.
I don't get where you are going with the uncloaked does =/= visible, can you elaborate?
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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LOADED'HORN
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
120
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:30:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*fetches popcorn*
Are you 12?
The cloak has made this game like dumb and dumber. Sci fi cool idea. Poorly integrated in the game.
Cloak shottys are my #1 go out of my way to kill scrub jerks. What would I do with out you? Relax and play the game of course. Why do you all think its cool or good? It seems like easy mode to me. I don't use it, because it's wrong in FPS lol.
Even old school shotty go bang uses it. Lost all respect for him. I don't know why it's good at all. You scrubs must love it though, and Ccp cannot or will not fix it. Balance LOL. Props to the op Spaceman to stand up and say the truth in contrast to your NO point of view attitudes. ESAD cloak shotgunners.
Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
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DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
782
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:41:00 -
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You should be banned for ridiculousness.
DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1577
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:45:00 -
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Yes, God, please remove them.
As a shotgun scout (who doesn't like cloaks, but prefers to use hiding around corners and such) I hate that no skill shotgunners can literally sit right beside an objective and be unscannable (Gal, 3 damps) even with GalLogi Focused scanner, it's a sad tactic.
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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LOADED'HORN
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
120
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:46:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:You should be banned for ridiculousness.
Me? Oh no that would make me happy. I don't like happy, that's the opposite of Ccp meta/data gameing.
Open beta vet. (@L@) I see all you cloak scrubs. Game breaking B!T(#E$
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Stevez Wingyip
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:46:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree.
Nope. Nothing else left to say.
The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
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Stevez Wingyip
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:47:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Yes, God, please remove them.
As a shotgun scout (who doesn't like cloaks, but prefers to use hiding around corners and such) I hate that no skill shotgunners can literally sit right beside an objective and be unscannable (Gal, 3 damps) even with GalLogi Focused scanner, it's a sad tactic.
You call it sad, I call it winning.
The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1577
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:49:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Yes, God, please remove them.
As a shotgun scout (who doesn't like cloaks, but prefers to use hiding around corners and such) I hate that no skill shotgunners can literally sit right beside an objective and be unscannable (Gal, 3 damps) even with GalLogi Focused scanner, it's a sad tactic. You call it sad, I call it winning.
Really? Are you "winning" by sitting in one spot all game? Are you having fun?
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1830
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:58:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree.
leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot.
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1103
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:01:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I do not support cloaks being removed.
Although I will go to the grave saying that they should not be combat oriented.
3 second delay before firing, 3 second delay after firing/hacking before you can recloak.
They need to be for recon and covert operations. using the best innate e-war in all three aspects to made dust easy mode for you to shotgun people in the back or worse frisbee some re's hoping your prey won't hear the sound is just cheezy.
I lament PC now more than ever..
Scouts in 1.7 needed an e-war buff
Assaults with the commando bonus to damage + current bonuses and slots (minus cal assault and perhaps gal assault) fixes the problem of slayer logi's.
Heavies were fine in 1.7
Logi's with the nerf to reps and buff to assaults would have been fine.
The e-war game was better in 1.7 aside from scout needing a better advantage.
I don't mind cloaked scouts in and of themselves, but they have too many advantages at this point. Scouting was more fun before the buffs, it was a challenge that required you to take better angles and routes. Also bring back the volleyball agaisnt the wall sound for shotguns, that was terrifying on its own. If you heard that anywhere on the map you took notice.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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iKILLu osborne
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
458
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:00 -
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the problem isn't the cloak, it is the fact that precision enhancors are not the same % as dampeners allowing any scout (not just the gal) to be unscannable with spare low slots(aside from cal), and same problem with active scanners
lp cal scout i demand it
z platoon, cfw channel
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1103
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot.
I ran across a dual light weapon scout the other day, it was quite effective I'll have to admit.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
627
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:03:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree.
My dear matee boyo, Rattati told last week (i think) they will ad longer delay after decloak..just be patient boyo
"Savvy"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
5823
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:06:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. leave them with the cloak.. but replace the light weapon slot with sidearm slot. I ran across a dual light weapon scout the other day, it was quite effective I'll have to admit.
The only suit that can use two light weapons are Commandos.
There is no dual light weapon scout.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Mex-0
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
148
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:13:00 -
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How about NO
I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
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JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
400
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*fetches popcorn*
I bought 10 boxes of popcorn. Just to Fetch it at the laptop screen.
MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
183
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:18:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. My dear matee boyo, Rattati told last week (i think) they will ad longer delay after decloak..just be patient boyo
No! I will no longer have a useful escape plan!
"For The State! That is the only three words I will ever need to know." - Sir Raven wing
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
365
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:20:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:I don't care if they're cloaked or not, I can still see them. Fix your eyesight.
I can also hear them, get better headphones. If you listen carefully, you can hear them walking around. Actually the decloak sound is bugged. Known issue. And the footsteps also does not work if they are behind you.
This.
Also, on an note related more directly to the OP, don't need to remove cloak. Just change it so it's a tactical survival tool more than an assault tool. |
Protocake JR
USA Caucasians
1590
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:25:00 -
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This is more of a shotgun problem than a cloak problem. |
Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
619
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:29:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree.
If they're shooting you in the back, the cloak wouldn't matter because you wouldn't have seen them anyway...? 
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I survived 1.8!
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iKILLu osborne
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
458
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:47:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:I think we can all agree that we've had enough of shotgun scouts sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back. Bringing cloaks to Dust was a big mistake and they must go. Sign below and leave a comment if you agree. If they're shooting you in the back, the cloak wouldn't matter because you wouldn't have seen them anyway...?
cloaks give a dampening bonus, and also others would see the scout, and also the scout would be discouraged to make the attempt when seeing more than one red on radar
lp cal scout i demand it
z platoon, cfw channel
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
49
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:57:00 -
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I don't give a crap on SG scouts. Just need a cloak for running across open fields because SMG and NK fit
If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
793
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:58:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:sneaking up on us unseen and shooting us in the back.
Tell me again; how is the cloak the problem here?
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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