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Mhmm looks like I already got the slot layout as you requested

Lower eHP and high speed are of course a given for Minmatar.

Will be sure to push for MOAR FINS if we ever get art assets too

Fair point on the slot layouts for the HAVs.

I will say though that's a bit of a nerf for the Gallente though, I have some concerns about shaving off 200 shield and 600 armor off the current amounts considering current AV stats.

Also do you think we should have different skills for the racial vehicles if we're still re-using the Cal/Gal art assets and lack racial turrets? I fear it may cause confusion for a lot of players, particularly ones new to vehicles/AV.

Looking at the EHP values overall is what I have done and there is no reason that any standard HAV should have a base 5200 EHP unless you are looking for a suggestion off an almost EHP maddy.

However what you are not taking into account with my suggestion is the return of 180mm plates.

Assuming the base 3400 Armour HP and the original 2750 Prototype Poly Crystallines

3400 + 2750 = 6150
3600 + 2750 = 6350

Basically another part of the whole proposal is to remove passive reps (they can die in a hole) and return to active rep HAV, and one issue I am trying to tackle is related to variation.

Plates could be a very real option pushed on by lower hull EHP

Randomized crap.

I know nothing of vehicles.

While the Devs are silent I approve of this project and/or message!

Random indeed. Trusting me to come up with anything that makes sense is a fool's errand.

We've also got a discussion on Pilot suits somewhere else....don't have the link offhand.

Worth keeping Breakin' as an on call AV advisor, he seems to know at a glance what is and is not plausible for AV to take out.

Indeed. Lots of good minds out there, plus having AV involved in the design of vehicles is a great way to avoid power creep.

Sidebar: Thoughts on a Swarm Launcher variant that specifically does EM damage? +20/-20 profile.

Indeed. Lots of good minds out there, plus having AV involved in the design of vehicles is a great way to avoid power creep.

Sidebar: Thoughts on a Swarm Launcher variant that specifically does EM damage? +20/-20 profile.

Sidebar: At best a band aid fix to lack of anti shield AV

Lack of long range Anti-Shield AV. PLC does work up close.

Perhaps Laser Rifle variant that does increased vehicle and reduced infantry damage? Still a bandaid but can fill that anti shield AV role until a more proper asset is put into place.

Shall we refocus then on HAV Variants?

Thoughts on LAV HP values?

As for Variants for HAVs, my thought is that the standard HAVs dont get any sort of bonus *much like dropships*

Specialized classes would essentially be Attack and Defense, or Enforcer and Marauder.

Enforcers would have less base HP but be considerably faster with bonuses for turrets.

Marauders would have more base HP but be considerably slower but with bonuses for racial defenses.

Now I think a slot change needs to happen for these variants, the question is what exactly.

Thoughts on LAV HP values?

As for Variants for HAVs, my thought is that the standard HAVs dont get any sort of bonus *much like dropships*

Specialized classes would essentially be Attack and Defense, or Enforcer and Marauder.

Enforcers would have less base HP but be considerably faster with bonuses for turrets.

Marauders would have more base HP but be considerably slower but with bonuses for racial defenses.

Now I think a slot change needs to happen for these variants, the question is what exactly.

Militia HAVs: No Bonuses - Totally fine with that

Standard HAVs (Frames): Racial Fitting Bonuses to encourage tanking type - Basically the same thing I suggested for Dropsuits in my "Teaching Without Tutorials" post. Totally fine with this as well. Would you apply these fitting bonuses to all HAVs or just the basic hulls?

Marauders: I get very wary of pushing eHP too high, so I typically shy away from hardener efficiency bonuses and try to focus more on recovery/regen or soft bonuses to hardeners. And as much as I LOVE active armor tanking, history has shown that excessive efficiency of armor repping can cause issues, so if we go with efficiency of regen mods it has to be done delicately. It's tough to say on this one because I REALLY want active modules on vehicles to behave like cloaks do with a soft duration and cooldown.

I think Hardener Duration for Caldari and Amarr is fair, though with a hard cooldown system, perhaps reduced cooldown would be better?

Efficiency of Armor Reps for Gallente is fine if approached carefully.

As for Minmatar....while I like our current Shield Boosters, they're really Ancillary Shield Boosters, and I'd like to make a differentiation between them and a more traditional shield booster. That being said I think Efficiency for those is also fine as long as its approached with caution.

So Caldari and Amarr can stay in a a fight longer. Gallente and Minmatar are more focused on quickly recovering for the next engagement.

Enforcers: Ok let me tackle your suggestions one at a time. I assume the listed racial bonuses apply to the specific module?

Heat Sinks: Clear choice, works well with 2 of the 3 turret types we currently have.
Gyrostabilizers: Unsure what you're going with on this one, how do you envision this translating to Dust?
Magnetic Field Stabilizer: Again I'm a little unsure of what you're aiming for on this one, or are these basically renames of existing turret-specific damage mods? THis would be Rails and Blasters yes?
BCU: I assume bonus to Missiles?

Ideally I'd like all of the bonuses to work with existing turrets, but also end up working with racial turrets if we ever get them.

If we had a capacitor system this would solve the problems with hardeners and reps. Cooldowns don't work because you can pop several and basically become invulnerable. With capacitors, you can have a sustained tank, or a burst tank with very short lifespan. It's more flexible.

If we had a capacitor system this would solve the problems with hardeners and reps. Cooldowns don't work because you can pop several and basically become invulnerable. With capacitors, you can have a sustained tank, or a burst tank with very short lifespan. It's more flexible.