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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:12:00 -
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So Finally after quite awhile PFC will be returning to Molden Heath.
Aedtide VI will be the new home of Planetary Fight Club.
FA has already Given a few districts to PFC, and we are working on acquiring the rest. (Thanks Zatara)
Both ROFL and General TSO's alliances will be working together to enforce the simple rules of the New PFC.
1. You cannot get a PFC district if you own a district.
2. To get a district you must field a team of 16 corpmates, at least once. (NO EXCEPTIONS)
3. You cannot take a PFC district from another corp.
4. IF you own a PFC district you cannot own any other districts. If you take another district and hold it for more than 2 weeks you will be required to return your PFC district.
If you corp is interested in a PFC district, post here or send me a mail @ Hawkin Pete
Getting a PFC district will be simple, (after contacting me) you will buy a clone pack and launch a attack on a
designated district. IF you show up with a full team OF YOUR CORP MEMBERS that district will be yours.
You will even get most of your ISK back for the clone pack. (getting people to join your corp then leave will be a ban-able offence)
Thanks goes to Nyain, Zatara, and FA.
Also I'd like to thank Cusetown333 for making this possible. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
748
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:23:00 -
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No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
5951
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:28:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:
Both ROFL and General TSO's alliances will be working together to enforce the simple rules of the New PFC.
lolCP
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
495
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:37:00 -
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Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC
It basically boils down to having 16 active members. If you don't have that, your corp isn't ready for PC. Aedtide only has 12 districts, were are not trying to fill a 24 district planet like Oddleuf. I think there are enough corps with the members to fill 12 districts. |
21yrOld Knight
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
1021
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:57:00 -
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This sounds like it will be difficult to make, good luck.
Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous
You know what sucks?
Not being able to bump your own corp thread.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7539
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:21:00 -
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Hopefully this will actually work out this time.
I like the changes that state "You can't get on PFC if you don't own a district". Basically, this is a sandbox for the small corps to get their feet wet, instead of being like the last one, which we used to train our new guys.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1024
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Posted - 2014.11.09 23:43:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk |
RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
353
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:00:00 -
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And for anyone reading.
Pfc has been nothing but a periodic setup to farm newer corps.
nothing more, nothing less.
This is what?, the 5th or 6th reaping?.
GL.
Wansktain @ Rekt
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
66
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:03:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Hopefully this will actually work out this time.
I like the changes that state "You can't get on PFC if you don't own a district". Basically, this is a sandbox for the small corps to get their feet wet, instead of being like the last one, which we used to train our new guys.
this should work out pretty well by just setting a small area for a couple new corps to get there feet wet. policeing it should not be to hard and would give many of us something to do besides the same 5 corps fighting every night. i would like to thank Hawkin and general tsos leadership for making this possible. i also see this as a area for all corps in PC to finally be able to get there new members some training without getting there heads blown off. o7 |
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
66
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:06:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:And for anyone reading.
Pfc has been nothing but a periodic setup to farm newer corps.
nothing more, nothing less.
This is what?, the 5th or 6th reaping?.
GL. there is nothing to farm as these new corps will not be paying any isk for us protecting it.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3414
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:18:00 -
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When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left.
> Check RND out here
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2095
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:28:00 -
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Ydubbs,
Just because "most of the talent has left" doesn't mean the "barrier to entry" isn't still too high. Even if it is not, anything we can do to encourage smaller corps to participate is good from where I sit.
It was a good idea then, and it is a good idea now, IMO. What's the worst that can happen, PFC fail a 3rd time?
So I say bravo to those who helped with this effort....Leadfoot |
Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
439
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Posted - 2014.11.10 01:19:00 -
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Sign me up
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
496
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Posted - 2014.11.10 01:29:00 -
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Eugene Killmore wrote:Sign me up
First come... |
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
67
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Posted - 2014.11.10 01:38:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left. of course the barrier to get in PC is to high right now. upcoming corps cant clone pack there way in PC right now.
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
344
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Posted - 2014.11.10 01:41:00 -
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Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC
Shut up you ******* *****.
That being said...
Are you **** heads going to try and tax us again? Or are we going to have to burn down PFC again? 
Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5226
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:12:00 -
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We might actually have to court corps for this.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5226
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:14:00 -
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CUSE WarLord wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left. of course the barrier to get in PC is to high right now. upcoming corps cant clone pack there way in PC right now.
But the blueberries spend so much ISK trying to win pubs, why wouldn't they be willing to invest 400-500 million ISK just to get a clear picture of what they need to work on in PC?
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3414
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:36:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Ydubbs,
Learn what? Learn not to try and help corps get started in PC?
Just because "most of the talent has left" doesn't mean the "barrier to entry" isn't still too high. Even if they have and it is not, anything we can do to encourage smaller/newer corps to participate is good from where I sit.
What's the worst that can happen, PFC fail a 3rd time?
It was a good idea then, and I think it's still a good one now. Learning from the past, improvements have been made and there should be no claims of it being a protection racket in disguise.
So I say bravo to those who helped with this improved reimplementation of PFC, and I wish it nothing but success in increasing the number of players and corps who get to enjoy PC....Leadfoot
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts. Back then, new, small, or low skilled corps had to fight powerhouses in order to cap a district and keep it. I don't know who the powerhouses are now except for FA and MuLa but it doesn't seem like they would bully those sort of corps so why can't those corps launch an attack and compete? I'll tell you why...it's because they don't have competitive spirits. Pubbing satisfies all of their needs.
PFC takes away the conquest aspect of planetary conquest. I just don't like the idea of districts are safe from everyone. If this is going to happen again then pfc corps should be able to take other pfc corps.
> Check RND out here
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3414
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Posted - 2014.11.10 02:38:00 -
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CUSE WarLord wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left. of course the barrier to get in PC is to high right now. upcoming corps cant clone pack there way in PC right now.
barrier to entry is low....all they have to do is ask TSO for a district. Or, they could launch at some of the corps that they could compete with. There are players that I see in pubs that don't pc at all...I'm certain that there could be a corp or two or three made from them. They choose not to pc. Pubstomping is what they'd rather do.
> Check RND out here
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LionTurtle91
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
304
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Posted - 2014.11.10 03:08:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
they don't have competitive spirits.
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Jynx'D
Heaven's Lost Property
24
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Posted - 2014.11.10 03:17:00 -
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There isn't much reason to have spirit other then for the sake of owning a planet, and the logistics actually required to getting one isn't worth the lack of reward to newer corps.
It's all about bragging rights, and beyond the people who post on the forums, no one cares. ISK was the incentive to want to get better and join the rich leagues - but now that's gone, and so has the incentive. Now, what PC is rich guys wanting to blow ISK on something better then Pub matches.
The only way to revive it is to revive the spirit among the corps presently in PC - with alliances holding 2-3 teams that could smash any small corp trying, it ruins the incentive further. Why try if you know in the end, you will lose?
I'm not saying it's up to vet corps to do something, but something can be done, and PFC is not the answer. |
A-P-P-Baby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
184
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:20:00 -
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Jynx'D wrote:There isn't much reason to have spirit other then for the sake of owning a planet, and the logistics actually required to getting one isn't worth the lack of reward to newer corps.
It's all about bragging rights, and beyond the people who post on the forums, no one cares. ISK was the incentive to want to get better and join the rich leagues - but now that's gone, and so has the incentive. Now, what PC is rich guys wanting to blow ISK on something better then Pub matches.
The only way to revive it is to revive the spirit among the corps presently in PC - with alliances holding 2-3 teams that could smash any small corp trying, it ruins the incentive further. Why try if you know in the end, you will lose?
I'm not saying it's up to vet corps to do something, but something can be done, and PFC is not the answer.
Clan vs clan / corp vs corp is the reason.
What else is there? That is the reason to join a corp. to play with them in an organized setting vs other corps. Same as clan battles in any other game. Take ISK away from this game and what've you got? Friends grouping up to shoot other groups of friends in the face. Nobody wants to deal with blue dots all the time.
They call me "Mr. Vacation"...
I used to be relevant, but I learned to delegate so I could island hop
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
496
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:29:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts.
The barrier is NOT low. It cost 50 mill just to attack. 100-150mil to take a district which is nearly impossible!!!! |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
5954
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Posted - 2014.11.10 05:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:CUSE WarLord wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left. of course the barrier to get in PC is to high right now. upcoming corps cant clone pack there way in PC right now. barrier to entry is low....all they have to do is ask TSO for a district. Or, they could launch at some of the corps that they could compete with. There are players that I see in pubs that don't pc at all...I'm certain that there could be a corp or two or three made from them. They choose not to pc. Pubstomping is what they'd rather do.
most don't know they can just ask for a district and get it.
Many districts if you wanted to flip with a clone pack would cost around 150m and that is not chump change to CEO's of new corps it's a large risk.
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3400
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Posted - 2014.11.10 06:41:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left.
This This and most of all this...
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3400
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Posted - 2014.11.10 06:43:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts.
The barrier is NOT low. It cost 50 mill just to attack. 100-150mil to take a district which is nearly impossible!!!!
ffs you all were giving land away as long as you knew the right people, so it was 50 M
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
68
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Posted - 2014.11.10 07:49:00 -
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clearly people don't understand the current status of the game. ain't no new corp going to come out of no where and clone pack there way into PC. as i give a district to a corp it gets attacked 2 hours later by the next day that corp loses the district. this gave the corp one battle of PC experience and then there out the door. without a doubt if something is not done PC will die in a couple months. the same 4 or 5 corps fighting each other has made everyone bored and it may be time to just move on to a different game. has nothing to do with competitive spirit because 99% of the dust population never had it to begin with. people have been blue donuting it up and bandwagoning to the top corp forever never wanting a good fight. i look at some of the applications of people that try to join my corp and i see a corp history of 70 different corps. without a couple people that stayed true to there corp and fought the donuts there never would have been a game in the first place. |
Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
446
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Posted - 2014.11.10 14:04:00 -
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Sign Bloodline Rebellion, WarRavens, 1.U.P, Pure Evil and S.A.L.U.K.I. in.
Take a bow
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1029
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Posted - 2014.11.10 15:15:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:Sign Bloodline Rebellion, WarRavens, 1.U.P, Pure Evil and S.A.L.U.K.I. in.
lolCP |
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Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:06:00 -
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Well I was in the dark about this. Guess with the new job I been busy. Everyone knows how I feel about PFC. I helped burn it to the ground. The way it was set up in the past. Was very much mafia style set up. Pay me for protection and I'm send my secret goons to take your district. And you pay me some more to evict them for you. Yeah no way Jose.
I see here that this is not the case. You guys trying to troll and be stupid. Your just plain dumb.
Looks like we are giving away the districts to a corp that can field a whole 16. After that we will also protect them for free.
Is this correct?
If so then great. Because I didn't help FA to become the Tyrant we all hated. Giving away a district at said corps dollar. Then protecting them for FREE Is an awesome idea. We are all board anyway. Gives us something to do.
And the corps on PFC can fight each other all they want. Even fight us (FA) for practice or anyone in the alliance. So that way we can tell there CEO. What they did wrong and what they can do better. Maybe fight them once a week.
I can get the word out and get the Planet filled. I know several International Corps that would like a PFC district again.
I don't think the whole community knows. You need SMS - Shadoww's Marketing Service.
I'll get the Planet filled and get this started. I'm happy finally The Power houses are helping the community. I Would love to see more competition in PC.
Hawk....I'll in game you. Let me know what's left. And ill get the districts filled TODAY.
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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Roman837
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
578
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:27:00 -
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I think the core problem to PFC. Is that we call it PFC. I am all for giving new corps or not new corps a district on a set planet. But. Their goal should not be to stay on that planet. I believe people who are on the designated planet...should only use that planet to launch attacks on people outside of that planet. So that they are not spending 50 mill. They should be allowed 1 district off planet aswell. So they can constantly pc. Their district off of planet..is free for all. Their 1 on planet...is safe from being flipped. But not from being attacked.
The only way they will get better is by constant fighting.
So I support this new endeavor even tho the past 8 have failed. Do not let us catching you farming.
All it takes in this game to set up good fights. Is sending an email and communicating amongst yourselves. CUSE and myself organized a fight a few weeks ago that ensured the 2 teams fighting would only bring in 4 "ringers" to act as trainers. It was still a real pc and the attacking team flipped the district. But it made it competitive and let them play their own players.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
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Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:48:00 -
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Let's get the Planet filled first. Then let's see what the Corps on the planet want. And let's actually listen and help out the little guys. Instead of us telling them what to do. Yes some basic rules need to be placed. But for the most part let's hear what "The People" want. And go from there.
All with in reason of course...no stupidness...let's make this real and fun and easy for FULL teams. Corps with a fighting 16 deserve a place in PC. But hard for new guys and even old guys. I want to help and reward those that can field a team. That way they stick around and don't leave. Cuz they have 16-20 guys but can't adavance. I remember how it was being a little guy. Trying to figure out how to get into PC and stay there.
This message is approved "Ghost Shadoww" for the people. o7
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1029
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:59:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Do not let us catching you farming.
Says the guy from Farmer Tso's Alliance.  |
Roman837
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
579
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Posted - 2014.11.10 18:17:00 -
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Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
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Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.10 18:31:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke.
Roman...we control it. And will defend it for free. Why you worried about what someone not even in the alliance is yapping to you. Come on now Bro...
It's our idea not his....so you seeing your own idea your alliance is doing that you yourself will help protect for free see go up in smoke. LoL...
You just so let him troll you.....
People know all our districts as an alliance are online. Come Get Some!!!
(Don't let a no name bother you. You on top now. I sit back, laugh and Invite)
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1032
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Posted - 2014.11.10 18:54:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke.
What are you doing wasting time on here? Don't you have some districts to farm? |
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
75
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Posted - 2014.11.10 18:55:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. Roman...we control it. And will defend it for free. Why you worried about what someone not even in the alliance is yapping to you. Come on now Bro... It's our idea not his....so you seeing your own idea your alliance is doing that you yourself will help protect for free see go up in smoke. LoL... You just so let him troll you..... People know all our districts as an alliance are online. Come Get Some!!! (Don't let a no name bother you. You on top now. I sit back, laugh and Invite) this idea was brought forth by me and Hawken Pete because both sides agreed that we were bord as Fuk with no one really left to fight but each other. the game needs this now and both alliances see how this could help the community. PFC is policed by both alliances because nonsense in the war room aside in game leaders have a honorable relationship even on different sides of the fence.
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1032
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Posted - 2014.11.10 18:56:00 -
[39] - Quote
Ghostt Shadoww wrote:
(Don't let a no name bother you. You on top now. I sit back, laugh and Invite)
The only thing Roman is on top of has floppy beef curtains. |
Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:00:00 -
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CUSE WarLord wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. Roman...we control it. And will defend it for free. Why you worried about what someone not even in the alliance is yapping to you. Come on now Bro... It's our idea not his....so you seeing your own idea your alliance is doing that you yourself will help protect for free see go up in smoke. LoL... You just so let him troll you..... People know all our districts as an alliance are online. Come Get Some!!! (Don't let a no name bother you. You on top now. I sit back, laugh and Invite) this idea was brought forth by me and Hawken Pete because both sides agreed that we were bord as Fuk with no one really left to fight but each other. the game needs this now and both alliances see how this could help the community. PFC is policed by both alliances because nonsense in the war room aside in game leaders have a honorable relationship even on different sides of the fence.
As long as No One makes Money on this...im all for it...I didnt help Burn PFC to see it rise again....
We need a new name for it honestly...
Everytime I hear PFC or have to type it brings back memories....
Let's call it something else and let's make sure it stays for "The People" and not a financial gain.
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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Jynx'D
Heaven's Lost Property
28
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:04:00 -
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PFC didn't fail, the providers quit the game. It was only on hiatus for a bit for the DNS 100% then it was going to go right back with an extra planet - but then Fanfest happened. |
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
75
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:12:00 -
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it may sound strange why some people would want to help corporation out without anything to gain from it. but believe it or not some of us do care for all corporations growth and prosperity. the reason behind this is some of us just come from FPS clans where the fight and the battle is where we get enjoyment from not AFKing in the MCC to get fake swedish currency. |
Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:17:00 -
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Jynx'D wrote:PFC didn't fail, the providers quit the game. It was only on hiatus for a bit for the DNS 100% then it was going to go right back with an extra planet - but then Fanfest happened.
Wow....im not even going to attempt to entertain the stupid that just came out your mouth.
Wow I miss the war room...people still lie right to your internet face...
Ahhhhhh hahahaha
Yeah man...PFC failed...and it's gone and will stay gone.
There will be NO Mafia Style PFC old ways.
We were the little guys and got the big bad wolf out of here. It will not Rise again. And give Our Allaince or FA a bad name and a target on our back. Since we are the reason PFC is not here. What you all do is a reflection on us. Since we own the most land. People will look at us as the bad guy if any of this goes south. And that is NOT going to happen.
Anyways...im sure Hawk is doing the right thing.
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
496
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:22:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts.
The barrier is NOT low. It cost 50 mill just to attack. 100-150mil to take a district which is nearly impossible!!!! ffs you all were giving land away as long as you knew the right people, so it was 50 M
yeah and those people were losing that district within a week. Stop trollin. This is free and open to all. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
496
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:27:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ghostt Shadoww wrote:
We need a new name for it honestly...
Everytime I hear PFC or have to type it brings back memories....
Let's call it something else and let's make sure it stays for "The People" and not a financial gain.
This is a Good Idea any name suggestions? |
Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:37:00 -
[46] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:
We need a new name for it honestly...
Everytime I hear PFC or have to type it brings back memories....
Let's call it something else and let's make sure it stays for "The People" and not a financial gain.
This is a Good Idea any name suggestions?
When I see "The People's " I think of the Rock and he has the people's elbow the people's champ etc etc....
Well ..... "The People's Planet"
Lmao when I glance at it it looks like Popeyes Planet
NEXT...brainstorm Brain Storm
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
76
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:40:00 -
[47] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:
We need a new name for it honestly...
Everytime I hear PFC or have to type it brings back memories....
Let's call it something else and let's make sure it stays for "The People" and not a financial gain.
This is a Good Idea any name suggestions? The Turd That Will Not Flush.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4373
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:03:00 -
[48] - Quote
Lol anyone affiliated with Tso's is a farming fetcher!
Embrace the hypocrisy!
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Roman837
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
581
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Posted - 2014.11.10 21:30:00 -
[49] - Quote
Dust User wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. What are you doing wasting time on here? Don't you have some districts to farm?
Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
81
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Posted - 2014.11.10 21:46:00 -
[50] - Quote
Roman837 wrote:Dust User wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. What are you doing wasting time on here? Don't you have some districts to farm? Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it. LMAO if you think Dust User supported it in any way. it was my idea and Hawken. but if you two are going to be all butthurt all the time then PFC never would have worked any way. i swear its like i can't even sit down and have a conversation like a man without someone acting like a baby over a freaking video game.
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
140
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Posted - 2014.11.10 21:57:00 -
[51] - Quote
Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC
This exactly there are NO CORPS THAT ARENT IN PC that can field 16 people on at the same time, the only corp I can actually think of is Saxonmish's new corp and I'm sure they won't bother wanting to stick to PFC rules. |
Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
102
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
CUSE WarLord wrote:Roman837 wrote:Dust User wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. What are you doing wasting time on here? Don't you have some districts to farm? Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it. LMAO if you think Dust User supported it in any way. it was my idea and Hawken. but if you two are going to be all butthurt all the time then PFC never would have worked any way. i swear its like i can't even sit down and have a conversation like a man without someone acting like a baby over a freaking video game.
U said its Hawk and you...so then do it...
FA will evict for free. And make sure the people have a say on the planet for PC training.
Do this the right way and let's make Dust fun for the small guys...we have enough land to finally do things right.
We have enough money .. Time to give back like we always promised when we rose to the top
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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Ghostt Shadoww
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
102
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:03:00 -
[53] - Quote
TRULY ELITE wrote:Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC This exactly there are NO CORPS THAT ARENT IN PC that can field 16 people on at the same time, the only corp I can actually think of is Saxonmish's new corp and I'm sure they won't bother wanting to stick to PFC rules.
Rules are not going to be stupid...u in the planet u on the planet. When u ready to branch out the leave. You can't stay forever there corps are waiting and anyone fucs with the planet We FA will take them out for free...that's it
Free district for who can field 16 if you can't field then good bye stop crying. Field a team and come talk.
Sh!t enough already stop making this what it is not....im go play im done meta for the day
Good luck Hawk...what ever you need just ask
Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
140
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
Ghostt Shadoww wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC This exactly there are NO CORPS THAT ARENT IN PC that can field 16 people on at the same time, the only corp I can actually think of is Saxonmish's new corp and I'm sure they won't bother wanting to stick to PFC rules. Rules are not going to be stupid...u in the planet u on the planet. When u ready to branch out the leave. You can't stay forever there corps are waiting and anyone fucs with the planet We FA will take them out for free...that's it Free district for who can field 16 if you can't field then good bye stop crying. Field a team and come talk. Sh!t enough already stop making this what it is not....im go play im done meta for the day Good luck Hawk...what ever you need just ask
Your missing the point there aren't any new corps that can field a 16 man team. Enough said. Their May be 1 or 2 but then what's the point of giving up a planet for it for what? 2 districts? It is a good concept but there aren't enough players in this game for it to work let alone enough players who want to play PC. |
A-P-P-Baby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
TRULY ELITE wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC This exactly there are NO CORPS THAT ARENT IN PC that can field 16 people on at the same time, the only corp I can actually think of is Saxonmish's new corp and I'm sure they won't bother wanting to stick to PFC rules. Rules are not going to be stupid...u in the planet u on the planet. When u ready to branch out the leave. You can't stay forever there corps are waiting and anyone fucs with the planet We FA will take them out for free...that's it Free district for who can field 16 if you can't field then good bye stop crying. Field a team and come talk. Sh!t enough already stop making this what it is not....im go play im done meta for the day Good luck Hawk...what ever you need just ask Your missing the point there aren't any new corps that can field a 16 man team. Enough said. Their May be 1 or 2 but then what's the point of giving up a planet for it for what? 2 districts? It is a good concept but there aren't enough players in this game for it to work let alone enough players who want to play PC. Besides the fact you are threatening any corp that tries to attack the planet is wrong. How are these new corps going to want to fight their hardest if in reality they aren't losing anything and let's say if they do attack another corp on another planet and the defender wins why are they going to want to stick to these rules when they could just wipe out the people who hit them or who constantly try take their district. You many as well just let them in your alliance since it's basically the same thing. You might say 'oh but we aren't giving them EVE support or ringers or whatever, but what comes before all of that? Having the district and they won't even have to worry about losing it. And if you won't let them farm with it or whatnot then your basically giving them something which won't earn them anything anyway. They're more likely to lose ISK from losing attacks and oh wait? How do you earn ISK from Molden Heath? Winning Battles. And a new corp is going to set attacks against corps that have vets and EVE support and ringers which can be paid to their liking due to the amount of ISK corps already have. Good concept, Wrong time.
That was the forum equivalent of verbal diarrhea
They call me "Mr. Vacation"...
I used to be relevant, but I learned to delegate so I could island hop
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
497
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Posted - 2014.11.10 23:12:00 -
[56] - Quote
Roman837 wrote:
Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it.
This is a way to change the current state of PC and promote growth. Not every corp in both alliances have to support it. They just need to respect that this is something that benefits the community.
The only agreement that ROFL and General TSO's has on this matter is that, if someone takes a PFC district we will take it back and return it to the owner. Corps have already volunteered to do this, no corp is required to. Roman doesn't have to get along with KEQ.
Unless you are a corp that wants a district this announcement has very little effect on most of you. |
CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
85
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Posted - 2014.11.10 23:39:00 -
[57] - Quote
TRULY ELITE wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC This exactly there are NO CORPS THAT ARENT IN PC that can field 16 people on at the same time, the only corp I can actually think of is Saxonmish's new corp and I'm sure they won't bother wanting to stick to PFC rules. Rules are not going to be stupid...u in the planet u on the planet. When u ready to branch out the leave. You can't stay forever there corps are waiting and anyone fucs with the planet We FA will take them out for free...that's it Free district for who can field 16 if you can't field then good bye stop crying. Field a team and come talk. Sh!t enough already stop making this what it is not....im go play im done meta for the day Good luck Hawk...what ever you need just ask Your missing the point there aren't any new corps that can field a 16 man team. Enough said. Their May be 1 or 2 but then what's the point of giving up a planet for it for what? 2 districts? It is a good concept but there aren't enough players in this game for it to work let alone enough players who want to play PC. Besides the fact you are threatening any corp that tries to attack the planet is wrong. How are these new corps going to want to fight their hardest if in reality they aren't losing anything and let's say if they do attack another corp on another planet and the defender wins why are they going to want to stick to these rules when they could just wipe out the people who hit them or who constantly try take their district. You many as well just let them in your alliance since it's basically the same thing. You might say 'oh but we aren't giving them EVE support or ringers or whatever, but what comes before all of that? Having the district and they won't even have to worry about losing it. And if you won't let them farm with it or whatnot then your basically giving them something which won't earn them anything anyway. They're more likely to lose ISK from losing attacks and oh wait? How do you earn ISK from Molden Heath? Winning Battles. And a new corp is going to set attacks against corps that have vets and EVE support and ringers which can be paid to their liking due to the amount of ISK corps already have. Good concept, Wrong time. no one cares because wall of eye bleed text for 1 and lolCP for 2
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3403
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:06:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hawkin P wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts.
The barrier is NOT low. It cost 50 mill just to attack. 100-150mil to take a district which is nearly impossible!!!! ffs you all were giving land away as long as you knew the right people, so it was 50 M yeah and those people were losing that district within a week. Stop trollin. This is free and open to all.
There is no need for PFC if they lost the district then they would be in no shape to have a PFC district... most corps have **** for leadership... I didn't become a billionare(only to **** it away) in DUST due to PC... I scammed, stole, and earned a few from those CEOs who didn't have a ******* clue...
Oh, Killar you're an *******... well let me finish before calling me something that I am. but the thing is... I didn't clean every wallet... I didn't even clean a quarter... most corps Leaderships either become clusterfucked, fall apart, or go inactive after two months (11-12 'Why Corps Die') (Really good read btw, selling copies for $10 a piece) successful corps are the extreme exception, even amongst the corps that can get a PC fight or even a district. most lose that peice of land soon after obtaining it. The Reason for most corps failures is a combination of the following as the most likely reasons
1 Lack of PC Able Numbers, not PC Ready, but PC able, folks with Microphones, ability to follow orders, and the like.
2 Incompetent, Unconfident, or Unready Leadership
Just two reasons? and honestly it's just one reason... it always boils down to a corp's leadership. They determine who gets in, what is done, how ISK is used, keeping member's from becoming bored, and the like.
Most CEOs CAN'T lead, hell most I wouldn't even feel safe putting in an advisory position, and then you have to find directors on top of that who are competent and trustworthy.
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Roman837
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
581
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
I said I supported it. As long as it's bring used to fight not farm. Then dust user trolled me.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1043
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:49:00 -
[60] - Quote
Roman837 wrote:I said I supported it. As long as it's bring used to fight not farm. Then dust user trolled me.
My job is done here. |
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1043
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:50:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:TRULY ELITE wrote:Arirana wrote:No joke GL finding corps that can field 16 without ringers and are not already in PC This exactly there are NO CORPS THAT ARENT IN PC that can field 16 people on at the same time, the only corp I can actually think of is Saxonmish's new corp and I'm sure they won't bother wanting to stick to PFC rules. Rules are not going to be stupid...u in the planet u on the planet. When u ready to branch out the leave. You can't stay forever there corps are waiting and anyone fucs with the planet We FA will take them out for free...that's it Free district for who can field 16 if you can't field then good bye stop crying. Field a team and come talk. Sh!t enough already stop making this what it is not....im go play im done meta for the day Good luck Hawk...what ever you need just ask Your missing the point there aren't any new corps that can field a 16 man team. Enough said. Their May be 1 or 2 but then what's the point of giving up a planet for it for what? 2 districts? It is a good concept but there aren't enough players in this game for it to work let alone enough players who want to play PC. Besides the fact you are threatening any corp that tries to attack the planet is wrong. How are these new corps going to want to fight their hardest if in reality they aren't losing anything and let's say if they do attack another corp on another planet and the defender wins why are they going to want to stick to these rules when they could just wipe out the people who hit them or who constantly try take their district. You many as well just let them in your alliance since it's basically the same thing. You might say 'oh but we aren't giving them EVE support or ringers or whatever, but what comes before all of that? Having the district and they won't even have to worry about losing it. And if you won't let them farm with it or whatnot then your basically giving them something which won't earn them anything anyway. They're more likely to lose ISK from losing attacks and oh wait? How do you earn ISK from Molden Heath? Winning Battles. And a new corp is going to set attacks against corps that have vets and EVE support and ringers which can be paid to their liking due to the amount of ISK corps already have. Good concept, Wrong time.
TLDR
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
87
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Posted - 2014.11.11 01:29:00 -
[62] - Quote
Roman837 wrote:I said I supported it. As long as it's bring used to fight not farm. Then dust user trolled me. you haven't been on the forums in a long time wouldn't have been the same without Roman getting trolled. losen up this game has you so up tight you couldn't fit a greased bb up your butt.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13602
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Posted - 2014.11.11 04:33:00 -
[63] - Quote
PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7600
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Posted - 2014.11.11 05:10:00 -
[64] - Quote
Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.
Better than getting horridly stomped by other teams.
My hopes is that they will gradually "learn" how to PC playing eachother. Like how we did.
"Oh hey, putting heavies on the point really helps"
"They keep sending someone to take our homepoint. Maybe we should put someone on it just in case?"
"Man, that Dropship is annoying. Lets just have a tank drive around and make sure he can't harass infantry"
I'm sure it will take awhile, but if they want to win, they will gradually learn what they need to do. Either through getting advice from top tier corps or by serendipity.
It's like other major sports. You don't play teams far better than you to get better. You watch them play, copy their moves, and attempt to use them on your skrim team or against opponents. That is how you improve.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
87
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Posted - 2014.11.11 06:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. i know exactly how to train new players because i do it in my corp. the key is there is a fine line between letting them get demoralized and letting them have to easy of a fight. i see PFC as a training ground for all corps in PC.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3407
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Corps fail in PC because those corps are failures with failing leadership, not because PC is hard, PC blows because a huge portion of those who can lead don't want to due to fanfest and how CCP is handling legion.
PFC v2 will fail for the same reasons PFC v1 did...
95% of corps aren't capable of even handling PC. and of those 5%, 3% doesn't want to put the effort into doing PC fix those numbers and you will fix PC... and PFC will work.
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3426
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:50:00 -
[67] - Quote
Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.
Second this...
I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH.
I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC.
You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now.
> Check RND out here
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7680
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:59:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now.
Ah, the early days of the Omega Commission.
I remember when most of that money was spent trying to keep our tankers running 
What he said still holds true. If your corp really wants to get into PC, it will take a lot of risk and sacrifice. You will have 100% tax days or just have every donate a lot. You will sync into matches and work on synergy. You will have to bust your ass to get into that first PC and make it NOT a giant waste of time.
It still holds true. If you want into PC, all you need is 32 active players who are WILLING to get into PC.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3429
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. Ah, the early days of the Omega Commission. I remember when most of that money was spent trying to keep our tankers running What he said still holds true. If your corp really wants to get into PC, it will take a lot of risk and sacrifice. You will have 100% tax days or just have every donate a lot. You will sync into matches and work on synergy. You will have to bust your ass to get into that first PC and make it NOT a giant waste of time. It still holds true. If you want into PC, all you need is 32 active players who are WILLING to get into PC.
The Omega Commission :D!
Which corp were you in?
> Check RND out here
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Her Chosen
Grade No.2
41
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.
Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.
PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3431
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:01:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.
Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.
PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time.
Right....there also weren't so many triple sp events and active omega boosters either and 750K weekly sp caps. But all of that aside, you are missing the point. If I was a new player and started a corp today and could field a team and wanted to pc...I wouldn't need PFC. I would encourage and try to motivate all of the members in the corp to help fund pc attacks. I would scour the map to find a corp that I could compete against and launch.
That's the reason why I mention what we had to do back when it started. The game has changed but it wouldn't have changed the way we entered pc. Besides, of course, someone gifting us a district which is much more prevalent now than before
> Check RND out here
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7746
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:13:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. Ah, the early days of the Omega Commission. I remember when most of that money was spent trying to keep our tankers running What he said still holds true. If your corp really wants to get into PC, it will take a lot of risk and sacrifice. You will have 100% tax days or just have every donate a lot. You will sync into matches and work on synergy. You will have to bust your ass to get into that first PC and make it NOT a giant waste of time. It still holds true. If you want into PC, all you need is 32 active players who are WILLING to get into PC. The Omega Commission :D! Which corp were you in?
I was in Intrepidus XI. I'm also one the few people left in that corp that still play.
Only ones I can think of are Dominus Fatali, Jade Tech and myself.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Texas Killionaire
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
289
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Posted - 2014.11.14 04:03:00 -
[73] - Quote
Roman837 wrote:Dust User wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. What are you doing wasting time on here? Don't you have some districts to farm? Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it.
Who
Gives
A
$hit
What
You
Support?
If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win.
Jello Biafra = God
AQUPI
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Mr Machine Guns
927
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Posted - 2014.11.14 05:12:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.
Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.
PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5271
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:06:00 -
[75] - Quote
Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.
Worst case there are players within those organizations that enjoy PC and find corporations that are more experienced. Anything to get more players involved in it is good.
Hard to believe that still needs to be explained.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5271
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:09:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now.
What does it hurt?
You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
4731
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:55:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire
Your first sign up is Red Star?
*fetches popcorn*
Good luck, you'll need it.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7805
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:03:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Her Chosen wrote:PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.
Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.
PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time. 8213 is your main banned?
I hope not, this is the same guy who said strafing is gamebreaking and that sidearms should have an 80% damage nerf.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4517
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Posted - 2014.11.14 19:16:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Her Chosen wrote:PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.
Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.
PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time. 8213 is your main banned? I hope not, this is the same guy who said strafing is gamebreaking and that sidearms should have an 80% damage nerf.
He's also the #1 gamer in the world at FPS...most accomplished and decorated winner to ever grace the earth.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
169
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:43:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Hawkin P wrote:CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire Your first sign up is Red Star? *fetches popcorn* Good luck, you'll need it.
WTF Hawkin did you pay attention? Thought you said corps that can field 16 guys and it's pretty obvious red star cannot. |
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3414
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?
It's hard to get a Corp going that is even TCR quality, lest a Molon or Ahrendee That the thing, most newbs do not have the level of dedication, caring, know-how, connections, and all that good stuff.
That's not even touching upon how ****** PC is and it's reputation for being a sink
The old groups leaving due to Rogue Wedding and Passive ISK dying really kicked PC in the balls by removing so many old folks.
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3414
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:52:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Hawkin P wrote:CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire Your first sign up is Red Star? *fetches popcorn* Good luck, you'll need it. WTF Hawkin did you pay attention? Thought you said corps that can field 16 guys and it's pretty obvious red star cannot.
that too lol...
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1061
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:01:00 -
[83] - Quote
TRULY ELITE wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Hawkin P wrote:CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire Your first sign up is Red Star? *fetches popcorn* Good luck, you'll need it. WTF Hawkin did you pay attention? Thought you said corps that can field 16 guys and it's pretty obvious red star cannot.
Your word is nothing in these parts.
Go back to the no PC time zone.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5275
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:54:00 -
[84] - Quote
Killar-12 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong? It's hard to get a Corp going that is even TCR quality, lest a Molon or Ahrendee That the thing, most newbs do not have the level of dedication, caring, know-how, connections, and all that good stuff. That's not even touching upon how ****** PC is and it's reputation for being a sink The old groups leaving due to Rogue Wedding and Passive ISK dying really kicked PC in the balls by removing so many old folks.
Exactly and even in that scenario you end up with some of those people becoming involved in PC. There's a lot more than PFC needed to get the masses interested in team play, but overall it's a net gain. I'm not all that sure if it's worth the effort or not though.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
499
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Posted - 2014.11.14 23:57:00 -
[85] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:Hawkin P wrote:CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire Your first sign up is Red Star? *fetches popcorn* Good luck, you'll need it.
Eugene from Red Star has just requested one but needed a little time to build his team back up. Forsaken Empire showed up with 16 corp players last night and got the first PFC district. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
3414
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:12:00 -
[86] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong? It's hard to get a Corp going that is even TCR quality, lest a Molon or Ahrendee That the thing, most newbs do not have the level of dedication, caring, know-how, connections, and all that good stuff. That's not even touching upon how ****** PC is and it's reputation for being a sink The old groups leaving due to Rogue Wedding and Passive ISK dying really kicked PC in the balls by removing so many old folks. Exactly and even in that scenario you end up with some of those people becoming involved in PC. There's a lot more than PFC needed to get the masses interested in team play, but overall it's a net gain. I'm not all that sure if it's worth the effort or not though.
I'd rather see fun things done with PC, than PFC, but that's me that's what I've stood for in the past, and what I'll continue to stand for, but I doubt anyone will try to do something like returning Thunderdome, or create something new.
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3452
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Posted - 2014.11.17 06:29:00 -
[87] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?
"What does it hurt"? I remember attacking corps just for the ISK payout that were on pfc version 2.0, 3.0, 1.8, or whatever. Some of them wouldn't show or field enough players. Some of them would be using less than stellar gear, etc. When your district is not at risk, you slack. That isn't good for training.
Corps need to know what it takes to survive. When you lose, you need to feel like **** and panic that it may be over for your corp. PFC doesn't place corps' backs against the walls. It's a safety net.
"Participation levels continue to decline"? Players have left the game. It isn't like everyone still plays but refuses to pc. I know some people are still going hard with this game but the allure has been spent for a long time now. This new patch may have revived it for some but not enough.
It makes sense to get corps and players to pc but PFC isn't the answer. It's starting to feel like a way for corps to prove how big and bad they are without actually saying it. If you guys want to get corps into pc...the best way would probably be to actively recruit corps in your alliances and give them districts. Even if they can't field teams, they will still have to defend their districts and look to their alliance for help.
> Check RND out here
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1901
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Posted - 2014.11.18 07:23:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Dust User wrote:Roman837 wrote:Do you hear me crying to get into pc? Do you hear my corporation begging for districts? No. We are open 24 and 7 to be attacked. Not once have you seen my corp on lock down. So be careful who you make accusations towards. Or you just might see this whole idea go up in smoke. What are you doing wasting time on here? Don't you have some districts to farm? Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it. i support lolromansboat
KEQ diplomat/ lolromansboat cost more then your whole village
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3455
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Posted - 2014.11.19 18:33:00 -
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There's a corp with active players called Second 2 None....why don't one of you guys reach out to them and recruit them into your alliance. They have players but only 7 pc worthy (both skill & gear) but they really want to pc. They also need ISK for a district and clone packs in case they lose their district.
The CEO said he was trying to save $200M. I was going to gift him the ISK for the pack (and I don't know him from dirt) but he said he feels he needs a little more ISK for pc.
So, why don't you guys reach out to them and help them with ISK, personnel, tactic advice, etc
> Check RND out here
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Jynx'D
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
37
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Posted - 2014.11.20 00:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Jynx'D wrote:PFC didn't fail, the providers quit the game. It was only on hiatus for a bit for the DNS 100% then it was going to go right back with an extra planet - but then Fanfest happened. Wow....im not even going to attempt to entertain the stupid that just came out your mouth. Wow I miss the war room...people still lie right to your internet face... Ahhhhhh hahahaha Yeah man...PFC failed...and it's gone and will stay gone. There will be NO Mafia Style PFC old ways. We were the little guys and got the big bad wolf out of here. It will not Rise again. And give Our Allaince or FA a bad name and a target on our back. Since we are the reason PFC is not here. What you all do is a reflection on us. Since we own the most land. People will look at us as the bad guy if any of this goes south. And that is NOT going to happen. Anyways...im sure Hawk is doing the right thing.
I forgot about this thread, as, well, this idea isn't a good idea right now and has little merit when there's no reward for people to even entertain the idea of being a PC corp.
But who the hell are you and why do you talk like you were a part of things you weren't? Lying is talking about something you weren't even a part of and acting like you were. |
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1624
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Posted - 2014.11.20 01:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
As of 8:10 EST 11-19-2014 the corporation 'Hak's Candy Van' now supports PFC. Add it to the list good sir.
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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