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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.10 06:41:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:When will this community learn?
There is only reason for a PFC for new corps if the barrier to entry was high. This is the perfect time for corps to pc since most of the talent has left. If they wanted to pc...they would jump at the opportunity to attack once everyone left.
This This and most of all this...
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.10 06:43:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts.
The barrier is NOT low. It cost 50 mill just to attack. 100-150mil to take a district which is nearly impossible!!!!
ffs you all were giving land away as long as you knew the right people, so it was 50 M
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.11 00:06:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My viewpoint is this....those that wish to pc will try and pc. The barrier to entry is extremely low now...especially with so many corps giving away districts.
The barrier is NOT low. It cost 50 mill just to attack. 100-150mil to take a district which is nearly impossible!!!! ffs you all were giving land away as long as you knew the right people, so it was 50 M yeah and those people were losing that district within a week. Stop trollin. This is free and open to all.
There is no need for PFC if they lost the district then they would be in no shape to have a PFC district... most corps have **** for leadership... I didn't become a billionare(only to **** it away) in DUST due to PC... I scammed, stole, and earned a few from those CEOs who didn't have a ******* clue...
Oh, Killar you're an *******... well let me finish before calling me something that I am. but the thing is... I didn't clean every wallet... I didn't even clean a quarter... most corps Leaderships either become clusterfucked, fall apart, or go inactive after two months (11-12 'Why Corps Die') (Really good read btw, selling copies for $10 a piece) successful corps are the extreme exception, even amongst the corps that can get a PC fight or even a district. most lose that peice of land soon after obtaining it. The Reason for most corps failures is a combination of the following as the most likely reasons
1 Lack of PC Able Numbers, not PC Ready, but PC able, folks with Microphones, ability to follow orders, and the like.
2 Incompetent, Unconfident, or Unready Leadership
Just two reasons? and honestly it's just one reason... it always boils down to a corp's leadership. They determine who gets in, what is done, how ISK is used, keeping member's from becoming bored, and the like.
Most CEOs CAN'T lead, hell most I wouldn't even feel safe putting in an advisory position, and then you have to find directors on top of that who are competent and trustworthy.
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:18:00 -
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Corps fail in PC because those corps are failures with failing leadership, not because PC is hard, PC blows because a huge portion of those who can lead don't want to due to fanfest and how CCP is handling legion.
PFC v2 will fail for the same reasons PFC v1 did...
95% of corps aren't capable of even handling PC. and of those 5%, 3% doesn't want to put the effort into doing PC fix those numbers and you will fix PC... and PFC will work.
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?
It's hard to get a Corp going that is even TCR quality, lest a Molon or Ahrendee That the thing, most newbs do not have the level of dedication, caring, know-how, connections, and all that good stuff.
That's not even touching upon how ****** PC is and it's reputation for being a sink
The old groups leaving due to Rogue Wedding and Passive ISK dying really kicked PC in the balls by removing so many old folks.
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:52:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Hawkin P wrote:CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire Your first sign up is Red Star? *fetches popcorn* Good luck, you'll need it. WTF Hawkin did you pay attention? Thought you said corps that can field 16 guys and it's pretty obvious red star cannot.
that too lol...
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Killar-12
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:12:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Atiim wrote:PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.
It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?
Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason. Second this... I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH. I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC. You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now. What does it hurt? You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong? It's hard to get a Corp going that is even TCR quality, lest a Molon or Ahrendee That the thing, most newbs do not have the level of dedication, caring, know-how, connections, and all that good stuff. That's not even touching upon how ****** PC is and it's reputation for being a sink The old groups leaving due to Rogue Wedding and Passive ISK dying really kicked PC in the balls by removing so many old folks. Exactly and even in that scenario you end up with some of those people becoming involved in PC. There's a lot more than PFC needed to get the masses interested in team play, but overall it's a net gain. I'm not all that sure if it's worth the effort or not though.
I'd rather see fun things done with PC, than PFC, but that's me that's what I've stood for in the past, and what I'll continue to stand for, but I doubt anyone will try to do something like returning Thunderdome, or create something new.
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