Your missing the point there aren't any new corps that can field a 16 man team. Enough said. Their May be 1 or 2 but then what's the point of giving up a planet for it for what? 2 districts? It is a good concept but there aren't enough players in this game for it to work let alone enough players who want to play PC. Besides the fact you are threatening any corp that tries to attack the planet is wrong. How are these new corps going to want to fight their hardest if in reality they aren't losing anything and let's say if they do attack another corp on another planet and the defender wins why are they going to want to stick to these rules when they could just wipe out the people who hit them or who constantly try take their district. You many as well just let them in your alliance since it's basically the same thing. You might say 'oh but we aren't giving them EVE support or ringers or whatever, but what comes before all of that? Having the district and they won't even have to worry about losing it. And if you won't let them farm with it or whatnot then your basically giving them something which won't earn them anything anyway. They're more likely to lose ISK from losing attacks and oh wait? How do you earn ISK from Molden Heath? Winning Battles. And a new corp is going to set attacks against corps that have vets and EVE support and ringers which can be paid to their liking due to the amount of ISK corps already have.

Good concept,
Wrong time.

I said I supported it. As long as it's bring used to fight not farm. Then dust user trolled me.

PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.

It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?

Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.

PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.

It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?

Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.

PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.

It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?

Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.

Second this...

I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH.

I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC.

You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now.

Ah, the early days of the Omega Commission.

I remember when most of that money was spent trying to keep our tankers running

What he said still holds true. If your corp really wants to get into PC, it will take a lot of risk and sacrifice. You will have 100% tax days or just have every donate a lot. You will sync into matches and work on synergy. You will have to bust your ass to get into that first PC and make it NOT a giant waste of time.

It still holds true. If you want into PC, all you need is 32 active players who are WILLING to get into PC.

PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.

Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.

PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time.

The Omega Commission :D!

Which corp were you in?

Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it.

PFC doesn't work. If anything, it'll be the minor leagues for the biggest corps to recruit what few good players are undiscovered in this game.

Comparing old school DUST to today is stupid vet syndrome. There wasn't a multimillion SP gap back then between players. And less roles to choose from. PC and DUST were much easier back then.

PFC will at least be fun for talented corps who missed the money train. I played PFC1.0, it was fun, but there's no teaching and bettering already junk corps. You'll learn more by playing pubs individual with PC players, and ringing in a PC time-to-time.

PFC's concept is flawed in the sense that your pitting players who aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district against players who also aren't good enough to hold and maintain a district.

It's like fighting you're little brother in an attempt to get stronger. If the only thing scrub corps there ever do is fight scrub corps, how will their experience help them against anything other than a scrub corp? And if they can't fight anything other than scrub corps, wouldn't that make their time spent on PFC worthless?

Personally, I think it would be healthier for corps NOT to participate in PFC for that above reason.reason.

Second this...

I'm from the *ahem* old school pc days where nothing was handed to you. If you wanted in, you had to STD and BPO gear grind ISK in pubs and work on your talent and strategies. If you weren't that good of a corp or were being targeted by a much more superior corp, then you get help. If you didn't want to draw too much attention, then you lay low and you forge relationships. Some of the best corps forged relationships and back alley deals to stay alive in MH.

I'd like someone to show me how any version of PFC helped a corp to be healthy in pc. I can't think of any corp that survived outside of PFC.

You want to help bring more corps into pc? Fine...actively recruit them into your alliance and mentor them. If any new corp wants to pc they would find a way. They don't because they choose not to...barrier to pc is at its all time low now.

CORPS SIGNED UP so far
Red Star
Forsaken empire

8213 is your main banned?

I hope not, this is the same guy who said strafing is gamebreaking and that sidearms should have an 80% damage nerf.

Your first sign up is Red Star?

*fetches popcorn*

Good luck, you'll need it.

What does it hurt?

You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?

WTF Hawkin did you pay attention? Thought you said corps that can field 16 guys and it's pretty obvious red star cannot.

WTF Hawkin did you pay attention? Thought you said corps that can field 16 guys and it's pretty obvious red star cannot.

It's hard to get a Corp going that is even TCR quality, lest a Molon or Ahrendee That the thing, most newbs do not have the level of dedication, caring, know-how, connections, and all that good stuff.
That's not even touching upon how ****** PC is and it's reputation for being a sink
The old groups leaving due to Rogue Wedding and Passive ISK dying really kicked PC in the balls by removing so many old folks.

Your first sign up is Red Star?

*fetches popcorn*

Good luck, you'll need it.

Exactly and even in that scenario you end up with some of those people becoming involved in PC. There's a lot more than PFC needed to get the masses interested in team play, but overall it's a net gain. I'm not all that sure if it's worth the effort or not though.

What does it hurt?

You've been steadfast in your beliefs on the entry to PC for noobs, yet participation levels continue to decline. At what point does it actually start to sink in that maybe you are wrong?

Well. That about settles it. Good luck policing PFC. I no longer support it.

Wow....im not even going to attempt to entertain the stupid that just came out your mouth.

Wow I miss the war room...people still lie right to your internet face...


Ahhhhhh hahahaha

Yeah man...PFC failed...and it's gone and will stay gone.

There will be NO Mafia Style PFC old ways.

We were the little guys and got the big bad wolf out of here. It will not Rise again. And give Our Allaince or FA a bad name and a target on our back. Since we are the reason PFC is not here. What you all do is a reflection on us. Since we own the most land. People will look at us as the bad guy if any of this goes south. And that is NOT going to happen.

Anyways...im sure Hawk is doing the right thing.