I was wondering if dropship pilots could tell me the long term effect of AV and Dropship changes(ADS of course) from hotfixes some time ago and how the changes have affected their gameplay.
Besides that I've seen some glitches happen where a person randomly jumps out of their ship without pressing circle or so.
Even one where ADS pilots won't hear the sound of missiles or rail weapon projectiles hitting them.
That might be annoying for some.

Just a few questions...
Anyone here a pilot that that could still play fine with any dropships?
Anyone stopped piloting anything because of this?
Anyone having that similar glitch?

I think I'm doing better than most as a DS pilot simply because I have not, until 1.9, decided to run ADS on a regular basis. I'm not a leet ADS pilot.

I go isk positive, but also am not trying to rack up kills. I am providing a service whether it be mCRU, denial fire or link destruction. Also, distract to keep people busy focusing on me. Then to just fly for the enjoyment while peoviding something other than sitting out a protostomp.

I, from the beginning of my playing DUST decided to train with DS to be able to circle and strafe instead of hover or dive.


The only thing I have a problem with is swarms being able to lock on for that third or fourth volley.

I've said it once and I'll say it againGǪ one person with swarms should not be able to down a DS or tank. This is simply because the dynamics are different between a vehicle and infantry and it is too darn easy for that one person to go change out to AV at their convenience vs. a pilot wanting to stay running vehicles. There is no excuse to want to destroy a vehicle other than a player hates the playstyle. That is not a valid excuse. Forcing the vehicle to leave and rep or simply be denied the area is what the goal should be for a lone AVer.

I was wondering if dropship pilots could tell me the long term effect of AV and Dropship changes(ADS of course) from hotfixes some time ago and how the changes have affected their gameplay.
Besides that I've seen some glitches happen where a person randomly jumps out of their ship without pressing circle or so.
Even one where ADS pilots won't hear the sound of missiles or rail weapon projectiles hitting them.
That might be annoying for some.

Just a few questions...
Anyone here a pilot that that could still play fine with any dropships?
Anyone stopped piloting anything because of this?
Anyone having that similar glitch?

I was wondering if dropship pilots could tell me the long term effect of AV and Dropship changes(ADS of course) from hotfixes some time ago and how the changes have affected their gameplay.
Besides that I've seen some glitches happen where a person randomly jumps out of their ship without pressing circle or so.
Even one where ADS pilots won't hear the sound of missiles or rail weapon projectiles hitting them.
That might be annoying for some.

Just a few questions...
Anyone here a pilot that that could still play fine with any dropships?
Anyone stopped piloting anything because of this?
Anyone having that similar glitch?

1: Ish. I still play with dropships, but now I always have to run. If you stick around, you're dead. I have to constantly run back and forth to figure out where the AV is. Sometimes you don't get a chance (Normally if there's 2 or more AVers).

2: I considered it... for a few seconds, before deciding that that would be stupid.

3: All the time. Invisible swarms, soundless forge/railgun shots, missing damage indicators. Never heard of pilots falling out, though.

I've been a Gallente loyalist from the start, refusing to ever once skill filthy ass caldari out of sheer principle.

The incubus was always the underdog, but now, its on the exact same chopping block as my beloved Prometheus. Rattati, the DUST Judas, has betrayed us. The Pie Thong is his piper, and oh how he dances to its fiddle

Even I, a great champion of the Federation, have been forced to infiltrate this Villains lair, and steal his precious craft.

Using the Pie Thong is the only recourse. We have been stripped of our teeth, declawed and neutered. He is a madman, cackling behind a mountain of irrelevant data. We...we could not best his diabolical aim to destroy us from within

Damn Caldari scum got to our manufacturing lines...

Just a few questions...
Anyone here a pilot that that could still play fine with any dropships?

I used to fly 99% of the time, now I run infantry 99% of the time. Flying just isn't as fun as it used to be, it's more frustrating than anything now.

Derrith Erador is one. Up until a few weeks ago I would 1v1 him every night at least once or twice in PCs, and even after HF Delta he still managed to perform well. Given that we would both kill each-other in a tit-for-tat manner, it was pretty fun.

Then you have Pvt. Numnutz, who's pretty good at dropping people in and out of areas quickly. I know there are more but these guys stand out the most.

Espeon Bons is another one, who's pretty good with it until someone gives him an alchoholic beverage. Given how a lot of people only used ADSs because they were overpowered, there's no doubt that the recent changes have caused some Pilots to stop flying.

I flew a Myron a lot yesterday, and I haven't noticed any missing audio effects from Rails & Swarms. Then again, I haven't gotten into many fights against Rails so my findings are rather limited.

Forgeguns in a literal sense are portable large rail gun turrets, and swarms are sniper rifles for vehicles.

Both forgeguns and snipers still need to be changed.

Those words are just my ways of saying how AV is like right now.

1) I don't bother with the pyhton, same ROF as my incubus so i perfect my incubus skills instead. Trying out gunning fits for my grimnes but 'm probably just gonna stick an XT-1 on a gorgon.

2) I haven't stopped at all, but I am exploring other ways of providing air supoort without losing 360K a ship. Its not fun being grounded for 3 or 4 matches i na row, and my proto logi aint cheap either. I'm not one of those corp sugar daddy pilot wh0res either, so i earn my right to fly.

3)Glitches related to flying ahs changed plus a few more have been added. Plenty of times i've been fired at by swarms, afterburn, spin my nose around, the objetive will be 400+ meters away and i still register a swarm hit.

In terms of rendering, especially on fast approach, its buiiding,then building details, then turret installations, then nanohives, then any obstacles (cranes, poles etc) then infantry. It can be pretty inconsistent, and frustrating as hell.

I can pull out minmatar commando/proto swarms/ bk-42 CR, wreck anything in the sky and still be cheaper than my turrets. So there you go.

The glitch may be just something native to ADS.
I take my ADS out sometimes to eliminate rooftop campers and I have had the same effect.
Do you know how long those players have been flying though?

Quite possibly. I'd suggest making a thread or filing a a help ticket and ask CCP to look into it. Judge is a CPM and ADS Pilot so I'm sure he wouldn't mind hunting down a video of the bug and giving it to CCP.

When it comes to rooftop campers, I would suggest not using ADSs for that as many players have become proficent with AV weapons. A better tactic is a MLT Dropship going AFAP and having the pilot jump out and kill everyone there with an HMG.

As for how long they've been flying, I know many have been flying for well over a year. In the long run however, it doesn't make a difference. Either you're good or you're not.

1) Yep. I still regularly pilot and have great success in games (make more money than I lose usually, help the team out where I can). Adapt and Die. (That's not to say there still aren't things unbalanced both against and with ADSs)

2) Scrubs have.

3) Haven't seen anyone forced to jump out (I even use a MCRU on my Python), but I haven't had much dialogue with my passangers. I have noticed invisible swarms, though, and enemies failing to render upon approach.

EDIT: To address the AV issue arising, I disagree that a single swarmer/forged shouldn't be able to "kill" a pilot. I will say, though, that I think TTK is way too low for swarms, being such a "user friendly" weapon, so to speak. Forges are fine since they are anti-tank weapons and take quite a lot of still to use while an experienced ADS pilot has ways to engage them in combat.

AV is too powerfull now and we have no defense because they are invisibles for us. So in my opinion:

- Reduce swarm acceleration to 0,5 and make they turn radius 90 or 100 degrees or increase the ADS slots, right now the game isnot balance for pilots
- Make a simbol or something to see the AV, especialy when they are targeting us with swarm (every plane have a lock on alert, why not for us)
-Flares or something to scape
- Increase the ROF from 3 at 5 per level please, 3 is a bad joke and TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THAT ****
- A button to eject all passengers
- Block our ship because sometimes the blues stole us while we are outside repairing etc
- Reduce the effective shot for large rail turrets, i hate the camper tank in their red line, those cowards must be nerfed
- Increse the tanks price, compared with ADS they are a gif.
- Reduce militia tanks slots and/or shield/armor, everybody runs now in militias and they are just for try somethin not to be harder than a diamond.
- Make that tanks skill do somethin like increase cpu or something, now people learn it a level 1 and the have all, but we the pilotsneed a lot of skills, all of them usefull, and any stupid camper meka us down in less than a minute

And i think is that all friends, with that the game should be balanced to us the players, maybe not for cryers and campers.

P.D.: Maybe AV players and tanks will hate me for this post, but remember: i hate you more camper

I agree with you one most of the points except these

-Increase the tank price: I strongly disagree, my adv missile gunlogi fit is about 300K without proto turrets of proto shield modules, all enhanced. Tanks are expensive enough, if you want to hurt redline tanks then decrease the size of the redline so that they will not be able to engage fights around the objective from the redline.

- reducing militia tank slots: they are only any good if your not facing any decent AV or opposition tank, somas and sicas still get eaten alive unless they run in packs. Their slot layout is bad enough, leave it as is.

I agree pilots are in a bad place right now, but i don't want to drag our tank brothers through the mud as well.

the TTK is way to high for a dropship
and they should be dumbfire...have you ever tried flying an ADS? They are underpowered....the missiles on the ADS are far to inaccurate and need increased slpash damage

I was wondering if dropship pilots could tell me the long term effect of AV and Dropship changes(ADS of course) from hotfixes some time ago and how the changes have affected their gameplay.
Besides that I've seen some glitches happen where a person randomly jumps out of their ship without pressing circle or so.
Even one where ADS pilots won't hear the sound of missiles or rail weapon projectiles hitting them.
That might be annoying for some.

Just a few questions...
Anyone here a pilot that that could still play fine with any dropships?
Anyone stopped piloting anything because of this?
Anyone having that similar glitch?

my armor tanked dropship can take 3 swarm volleys and get out alive, I dont see any issues here.

thus the general consensus is that most dropship pilots are terrible, maybe gitgud?