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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8266	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:55:00 - [1] - Quote Problem solved CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4397	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:07:00 - [2] - Quote Sigh Look, there's balancing and then there's castrating, this falls into the latter. I just want to ask, precisely why do you reckon this is (A) needed and (B) going to help? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 80	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote The problem with scouts being OP isn't anything to do with the light weapon slot.
Skullmizer Vulcansu Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote What is it that you think is the problem? This game makes me suicidal.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5274	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game MOAR Ladders
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 80	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:18:00 - [6] - Quote The cloak, the fact scouts can have such high HP and can move so fast to avoid being shot.
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3055	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:18:00 - [7] - Quote Tune down shield recharge and give a penalty on armor reps. Problem solved. 4 November 2014 - the most funny day in Dust514
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8267	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:19:00 - [8] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 80	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:21:00 - [9] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Tune down shield recharge and give a penalty on armor reps. Problem solved. And remove the ability to throw REs so far.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5274	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:21:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC Small turrets on the MCC Perfect This should be a priority MOAR Ladders

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8268	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:43:00 - [11] - Quote Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5393	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:43:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop That thread needs a lock. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8268	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:47:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop That thread needs a lock. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 887	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:59:00 - [14] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop I think Rattati is spending too much time in there. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4397	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:23:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop That thread needs a lock. And what precisely do you imagine happens in the thread? We're not trying to pull a fast one, nor would we be able to. Rattati has a pretty good bullshit detector. We don't like the tanked cloaky shotgunner any more than you do. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 216	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:28:00 - [16] - Quote Ahh.. and another leaves the darkness. If you want to balance scouts you have to reduce there Time To Kill so scouts can not drop someone before they can react. Increasing the time before the engagement is worthless what must be increased is the time between the first shot and death of target... impossible in a shared weapon pool including the sg and plc this is why side arms is the only way to balance them. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 78	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:30:00 - [17] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop I think Rattati is spending too much time in there. It's where he gets his best scout nerf ideas. * Penalties for plates on lights * Increased decloak delay * TacNet blind while cloaked * Directional arrow removal ^ All of these ideas originated in the Barbershop. From Scouts.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 216	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:47:00 - [18] - Quote I am a side arm no cloak scout and the only reason I didn't use the cloak before was it was so over powered, but now that it is tacnet blinding I would not use it because it is no longer functional unless you use a shotgun. If scouts were made side arm only I would hope cloak would be reverted. Anyone that would agree with that tacnet trade off is a fool and likely a shotgun scout. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 80	Posted - 2014.11.08 02:14:00 - [19] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: I am a side arm no cloak scout and the only reason I didn't use the cloak before was it was so over powered, but now that it is tacnet blinding I would not use it because it is no longer functional unless you use a shotgun. If scouts were made side arm only I would hope cloak tacnet would be reverted and the delay kept. Any scout that would agree with that tacnet trade off is a fool and likely a shotgun scout. Really the delay would not even be needed because the lower dps/clipsize would make up for the .33 seconds. I thought it was going up to 1 second on Tuesday 11th? CCP Rattati wrote: The current delay is almost not noticeable. Bumping it to 1.0 seconds, but also re-introducing the de-cloak animation, that makes the decloak happen over time. These should offset with a slight nerf to cloaks. Cloak delay 1. secnerf Cloak animation 1 secbuff
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5686	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:02:00 - [20] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop I think Rattati is spending too much time in there. You are right. I am sure he never makes threads for discussion for the whole community in this section to discuss changes. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 330	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:05:00 - [21] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Ahh.. and another leaves the darkness. If you want to balance scouts you have to reduce there Time To Kill so scouts can not drop someone before they can react. Increasing the time before the engagement is worthless what must be increased is the time between the first shot and death of target... impossible in a shared weapon pool including the sg and plc this is why side arms is the only way to balance them. Not if you could damage scouts close to like you can damage Logis and Assaults. Then their lower HP would matter and they would drop (unless they TOTALLY got the drop on you -- in which case they deserve the kill.)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5688	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:14:00 - [22] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: I am a side arm no cloak scout and the only reason I didn't use the cloak before was it was so over powered, but now that it is tacnet blinding I would not use it because it is no longer functional unless you use a shotgun. If scouts were made side arm only I would hope cloak tacnet would be reverted and the delay kept. Any scout that would agree with that tacnet trade off is a fool and likely a shotgun scout. Really the delay would not even be needed because the lower dps/clipsize would make up for the .33 seconds. The problem is that shotgun scouts are a legitimate role in the same way that sniper scouts are and AV scouts. We need to find a way to balance them without ruining their role, and that of a great many other legitimate scouts. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 185	Posted - 2014.11.08 10:26:00 - [23] - Quote Spademan wrote: Sigh Look, there's balancing and then there's castrating, this falls into the latter. I just want to ask, precisely why do you reckon this is (A) needed and (B) going to help? It falls into balancing. Scouts are not slayers and therefore they should not slay.
Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4414	Posted - 2014.11.08 11:40:00 - [24] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Spademan wrote: Sigh Look, there's balancing and then there's castrating, this falls into the latter. I just want to ask, precisely why do you reckon this is (A) needed and (B) going to help? It falls into balancing. Scouts are not slayers and therefore they should not slay. So what do they do? Sit on their ass all day calling out targets for everyone else? If you haven't noticed, killing is the main part of the game. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 417	Posted - 2014.11.08 12:13:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved I have no problem with killing people with just ScP(I'm not even use L or G to do so). Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.11.08 13:19:00 - [26] - Quote ..or you can just have 2 variants of scouts, one with 2 sides,eqs and higher ewar, and one with 1light 1side 1 eq and lower ewar..
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4689	Posted - 2014.11.08 14:22:00 - [27] - Quote OP has obviously never encountered a scout with an Ishukone SMG. Otherwise he'd realize that this thread was formed on a false premise. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 226	Posted - 2014.11.08 14:57:00 - [28] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: I am a side arm no cloak scout and the only reason I didn't use the cloak before was it was so over powered, but now that it is tacnet blinding I would not use it because it is no longer functional unless you use a shotgun. If scouts were made side arm only I would hope cloak tacnet would be reverted and the delay kept. Any scout that would agree with that tacnet trade off is a fool and likely a shotgun scout. Really the delay would not even be needed because the lower dps/clipsize would make up for the .33 seconds. The problem is that shotgun scouts are a legitimate role in the same way that sniper scouts are and AV scouts. We need to find a way to balance them without ruining their role, and that of a great many other legitimate scouts. In the other thread we proposed that light suits would be kept as is so those rolls would still be filled and balanced because of the lower cpu/pg that the basic suits have. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
The Master Race Immortal Guides 232	Posted - 2014.11.08 14:57:00 - [29] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: I am a side arm no cloak scout and the only reason I didn't use the cloak before was it was so over powered, but now that it is tacnet blinding I would not use it because it is no longer functional unless you use a shotgun. If scouts were made side arm only I would hope cloak tacnet would be reverted and the delay kept. Any scout that would agree with that tacnet trade off is a fool and likely a shotgun scout. Really the delay would not even be needed because the lower dps/clipsize would make up for the .33 seconds. The problem is that shotgun scouts are a legitimate role in the same way that sniper scouts are and AV scouts. We need to find a way to balance them without ruining their role, and that of a great many other legitimate scouts. In the other thread we proposed that light suits would be kept as is so those rolls would still be filled and balanced because of the lower cpu/pg that the basic suits have. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2014.11.08 15:58:00 - [30] - Quote Nerf the shotgun. Problem solved.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4691	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:01:00 - [31] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Nerf the shotgun. Problem solved. Making it worthless to anyone but scouts. Brilliant. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:12:00 - [32] - Quote Lol, only scouts seem to use it now. Nerf it to uselessness! OK, I'm joking (sort of), but the spam of cloak/shotgun combo doesn't seem to have slowed. Still see it used quite a bit. Hell, I use it from time to time and it really is EASY mode. That combination seems to be the root of every 'nerf the scout' I've read. Well, that and strafing, but the framerate buff seems to have helped with that. Outside of cloak/sg and hit detection, I really don't see any other valid complaints against the scouts, just a bunch of whining.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4692	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:19:00 - [33] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Lol, only scouts seem to use it now. Nerf it to uselessness! OK, I'm joking (sort of), but the spam of cloak/shotgun combo doesn't seem to have slowed. Still see it used quite a bit. Hell, I use it from time to time and it really is EASY mode. That combination seems to be the root of every 'nerf the scout' I've read. Well, that and strafing, but the framerate buff seems to have helped with that. Outside of cloak/sg and hit detection, I really don't see any other valid complaints against the scouts, just a bunch of whining. Nova knives are as bad. Brickscout substitute assaults with SMGs is just as obnoxious. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 176	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:47:00 - [34] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC Oooh, now I understand this topic.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3066	Posted - 2014.11.08 17:12:00 - [35] - Quote Assaults need to be the go to suit for killing, the rest suits should support assault-¦s killing by supressing, flanking, hacking, healing. This is why I support scouts being limited to 2 sidearms only. Believe me, you can do well with 2 sidearms.. I have at least seen scouts do it. It is not neutering the class. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 178	Posted - 2014.11.08 17:35:00 - [36] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Assaults need to be the go to suit for killing, the rest suits should support assault-¦s killing by supressing, flanking, hacking, healing. This is why I support scouts being limited to 2 sidearms only. Believe me, you can do well with 2 sidearms.. I have at least seen scouts do it. It is not neutering the class. You're almost right, but flanking is supposed to be more of an Assault role - Scouts are meant more for recon and battlefield awareness, and sneaky infiltration. Obviously roles overlap in this game, but having scouts really good at just running in and shotgunning everyone really diminishes their role as well as the role of assault suits. But taking away the light weapon from scouts would be awful because in order to fill the role of an actual "Scout" they would often need weapons capable of damaging enemies at long range, which no sidearms can really do.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:26:00 - [37] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop I think Rattati is spending too much time in there. It's where he gets his best scout nerf ideas. * Penalties for plates on lights * Increased decloak delay * TacNet blind while cloaked * Directional arrow removal ^ All of these ideas originated in the Barbershop. From Scouts. And all of these are merely shaving at a problem that needs cutting. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1235	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:51:00 - [38] - Quote Why do we need to do this when we can already fit 2 sidearms? Your suggestion doesn't solve anything Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:53:00 - [39] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Why do we need to do this when we can already fit 2 sidearms? Your suggestion doesn't solve anything Its to limit you (and thus your overall battlefield approach/impact) TO those sidearms. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 435	Posted - 2014.11.08 20:55:00 - [40] - Quote So far theres no shortage of input on how to balance scouts with everbody else, the only real question is when to initiate what aspect. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4474	Posted - 2014.11.08 21:28:00 - [41] - Quote ITT: OP uses his credibility to hide the trololol. 10/10. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2014.11.08 21:47:00 - [42] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: ITT: OP uses his credibility to hide the trololol. 10/10. Grains of truth are more valuable than blocks of falsehoods. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 104	Posted - 2014.11.09 00:42:00 - [43] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Skullmizer Vulcansu wrote: What is it that you think is the problem? The Barbershop I think Rattati is spending too much time in there. It's where he gets his best scout nerf ideas. * Penalties for plates on lights * Increased decloak delay * TacNet blind while cloaked * Directional arrow removal ^ All of these ideas originated in the Barbershop. From Scouts. And all of these are merely shaving at a problem that needs cutting. EDIT/ And if there are actual cuts made to scouts, those plus the shaves will have scouts back at where they don't want to be: 1.0-1.7; products of their own initiatives. The only Cuts warranted at this stage in the game are those which will be made to Heavies. If you're still getting owned by scouts, you will always get owned by scouts.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 233	Posted - 2014.11.09 00:58:00 - [44] - Quote It has nothing to do with getting owned kid most of us are scouts in fact this is scout 514. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
The Master Race Immortal Guides 239	Posted - 2014.11.09 00:58:00 - [45] - Quote It has nothing to do with getting owned kid most of us are scouts in fact this is scout 514. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1238	Posted - 2014.11.09 01:01:00 - [46] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Zindorak wrote: Why do we need to do this when we can already fit 2 sidearms? Your suggestion doesn't solve anything Its to limit you (and thus your overall battlefield approach/impact) TO those sidearms. That's stupid. Scouts can be decent with dual sidearms but everyone will cry about dual smg's and ask for nerf. We are better anyway with the light slot. I think OP is butthurt and is crying Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 105	Posted - 2014.11.09 07:27:00 - [47] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: It has nothing to do with getting owned kid most of us are scouts in fact this is scout 514. Rattati: "The top killers in PC are Heavies." Community: "Scout 514."
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 286	Posted - 2014.11.09 07:58:00 - [48] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game While we're at it, lets remove the scout equipment slots too. No HMG = No RE for scouts, no cloak D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7515	Posted - 2014.11.09 08:06:00 - [49] - Quote Scouts with Sidearms? Only if you make the SMG cost less PG than a combat rifle. It's the only reason why I went CR over SMG. Fitting restraints. Though in all honesty, this may fix the problem of scout 514, but it won't fix shotgun514. Everyone would just put damps on assault fits, and run shotguns. It works already for trolling scouts that don't run precisions. Trust me. You lose out on eWAR and regen, but lets face it, eWAR is getting buffed on med frames already. If rattati goes through with the eWAR changes, my money is on Assault Shotguns becoming the next meta. Oh, and nice troll Kirk. 8/10 Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 420	Posted - 2014.11.09 08:19:00 - [50] - Quote Spademan wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Spademan wrote: Sigh Look, there's balancing and then there's castrating, this falls into the latter. I just want to ask, precisely why do you reckon this is (A) needed and (B) going to help? It falls into balancing. Scouts are not slayers and therefore they should not slay. So what do they do? Sit on their ass all day calling out targets for everyone else? If you haven't noticed, killing is the main part of the game. That is what a scout is supposed to do.... Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;

Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 239	Posted - 2014.11.09 09:39:00 - [51] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts with Sidearms? Only if you make the SMG cost less PG than a combat rifle. It's the only reason why I went CR over SMG. Fitting restraints. Though in all honesty, this may fix the problem of scout 514, but it won't fix shotgun514. Everyone would just put damps on assault fits, and run shotguns. It works already for trolling scouts that don't run precisions. Trust me. You lose out on eWAR and regen, but lets face it, eWAR is getting buffed on med frames already. If rattati goes through with the eWAR changes, my money is on Assault Shotguns becoming the next meta. Oh, and nice troll Kirk. 8/10 You might be right, but there are other benefits to the scout like speed, cloak, hitboxes, and super mario jump that make a difference. Hopefully this would be considered and implemented first because the main reason for looking at ewar is to address scouts imbalance. Giving assaults the same ability would just make the game even more dreadful, but the only thing I have read so far from him is a increase to precision. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
The Master Race Immortal Guides 239	Posted - 2014.11.09 09:39:00 - [52] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Scouts with Sidearms? Only if you make the SMG cost less PG than a combat rifle. It's the only reason why I went CR over SMG. Fitting restraints. Though in all honesty, this may fix the problem of scout 514, but it won't fix shotgun514. Everyone would just put damps on assault fits, and run shotguns. It works already for trolling scouts that don't run precisions. Trust me. You lose out on eWAR and regen, but lets face it, eWAR is getting buffed on med frames already. If rattati goes through with the eWAR changes, my money is on Assault Shotguns becoming the next meta. Oh, and nice troll Kirk. 8/10 You might be right, but there are other benefits to the scout like speed, cloak, hitboxes, and super mario jump that make a difference. Hopefully this would be considered and implemented first because the main reason for looking at ewar is to address scouts imbalance. Giving assaults the same ability would just make the game even more dreadful, but the only thing I have read so far from him is a increase to precision. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 520	Posted - 2014.11.09 09:43:00 - [53] - Quote 2x Bolt Pistol, you'd still complain :P
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1249	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:20:00 - [54] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC Sure,but i better get a heavy weapon slot on my Min logi. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8334	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:25:00 - [55] - Quote Meee One wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC Sure,but i better get a heavy weapon slot on my Min logi. Heavy weapons for all frames actually. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 107	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:12:00 - [56] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Spademan wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Spademan wrote: Sigh Look, there's balancing and then there's castrating, this falls into the latter. I just want to ask, precisely why do you reckon this is (A) needed and (B) going to help? It falls into balancing. Scouts are not slayers and therefore they should not slay. So what do they do? Sit on their ass all day calling out targets for everyone else? If you haven't noticed, killing is the main part of the game. That is what a scout is supposed to do.... Scout Bonus: +2 WP per second (must do absolutely nothing other than looking around)
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 82	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:20:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Meee One wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC Sure,but i better get a heavy weapon slot on my Min logi. Heavy weapons for all frames actually. Except scouts I presume?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10194	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:53:00 - [58] - Quote /smells the trolly smell On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1257	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:43:00 - [59] - Quote I thought about this and im agreeing with this. After we do that lets get rid of the Light slot on an Assault and athe heavy slot on a Sentinel. That will make them less overpowered. While we're at it make grenades melee weapons and remove the explosive aspect towards it. It's not like it needed it anyway. Then we can remove arms on all the suits so it will be Kick 514. Or we can remove all weapons and suits and make it the new Tekken 7. Great Ideas right? #sarcasm Honestly some of the ideas i see on the forums can be really dumb. Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
XxVEXESxX 41	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:53:00 - [60] - Quote This or take away their sidearms. Heavy: grenade no equip long reload heavy wep/sidearm. Balanced. Commando: no grenade but equipment with his 2 light wep. Balanced. Assault: Light/sidearm one grenade and one equipment. Balanced Logistics: Light wep grenade and 3-4 equipment. Balanced. Scouts: Light/sidearm, grenade, two equipment, ewar comes standard... uhhh why? Take that sidearm away just like the Logi for anything more than two equipment or lower their dps alpha by doing what the OP is requesting. there is no reason why we should keep scouts the way they are right now. They are stronger than a logi in terms of tank/regen/ewar/dps and equal in base line equipment like needles. They are equal to any logis that choose not to run racial equipment. CCP we all know that most if not all logis run at least 1-2 non racial equipment so why is the scout able to play like one of three roles better? (assault, logi, EWAR scout) Rattati: Look at the stats for shotgun switch to sidearm kills for scouts. Bet the K/S graph would look interesting for that one. TD;LR Nerf bat the scout already its been over 3 months man... and do it right after the HMG heat changes so we flatten the field out. PSN: XxVEXESxX Minmatar loyalist MK.0 A/C/L

The Master Race Immortal Guides 379	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:38:00 - [61] - Quote GöêGöêGöÅGöüGò«Gò¡GöüGöôGöêGò¡GöüGöüGöüGöüGò« GöêGöêGöâGöÅGöùGö¢GöôGöâGò¡Gö½GôPGôÿGô¥GôÜGöâ GöêGöêGò¦GöôGûïGûïGöÅGò»Gò»Gò¦GöüGöüGöüGöüGò» GöêGò¡GöüGö+Gò«Gò¦GöùGöüGöüGöüGöüGò«Gò¡Gò«Göê GöêGöâGûÄGûÄGöâGò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦GöúGöüGò»Göê GöêGò¦GöüGö¦Gö+GûàGò»Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦GöâGöêGöêGöê GöêGöêGöêGò¦GöüGö¦GöôGöÅGö¦GöôGöÅGò»GöêGöêGöê GöêGöêGöêGöêGöêGöùGö+Gö¢GöùGö+Gö¢GöêGöêGöêGöê The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 379	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:38:00 - [62] - Quote GöêGöêGöÅGöüGò«Gò¡GöüGöôGöêGò¡GöüGöüGöüGöüGò« GöêGöêGöâGöÅGöùGö¢GöôGöâGò¡Gö½GôPGôÿGô¥GôÜGöâ GöêGöêGò¦GöôGûïGûïGöÅGò»Gò»Gò¦GöüGöüGöüGöüGò» GöêGò¡GöüGö+Gò«Gò¦GöùGöüGöüGöüGöüGò«Gò¡Gò«Göê GöêGöâGûÄGûÄGöâGò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦GöúGöüGò»Göê GöêGò¦GöüGö¦Gö+GûàGò»Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦Gò¦GöâGöêGöêGöê GöêGöêGöêGò¦GöüGö¦GöôGöÅGö¦GöôGöÅGò»GöêGöêGöê GöêGöêGöêGöêGöêGöùGö+Gö¢GöùGö+Gö¢GöêGöêGöêGöê The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2253	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:01:00 - [63] - Quote If we remove the light weapon slot from scout suits, what's left to counter heavies? Not sure I like this idea. That's not to say the scouts don't need a nerf, relatively speaking, but we have to be careful we don't throw the game balance out of whack even further as the popularity/effectiveness of heavies is also a problem, IMO, and scouts is one of the only counters.
Myron Kundera The Generals 113	Posted - 2014.11.21 17:39:00 - [64] - Quote Remove the sidearm from Scouts, leave the Light weapon OR give back sidearms to Logis. Fair is fair and logis need a buff. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Jadd Hatchen KILL-EM-QUICK 676	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:45:00 - [65] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved NO This screws with the scouts ability to be a sniper... Instead just remove the sidearm slot altogether. You can still fit a sidearm in a lightweapon slot so people that want knives or whatever can still do that.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 383	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:50:00 - [66] - Quote You can't balance scouts without making them side arm only because it effects the other classes to greatly i.e. if they try to nerf scouts dps they nerf everyone else with it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
jNs Vit4l Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 54	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:58:00 - [67] - Quote Make shield extenders / armor plates to increase db profile when equiped on a scout. Problem Sovled.. So scouts would have to choose dampened & squishy fit, or tanked and visible.. "God, grand me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change and the courage to change the things that I can"
Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 169	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:03:00 - [68] - Quote jNs Vit4l wrote: Make shield extenders / armor plates to increase db profile when equiped on a scout. Problem Sovled.. So scouts would have to choose dampened & squishy fit, or tanked and visible.. I believe shield extenders were supposed to have scan profile increase as you added them. It was there weakness such as Armor plates slowing you down. Sentinel/Commando
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8566	Posted - 2014.11.21 19:56:00 - [69] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved NO This screws with the scouts ability to be a sniper... Instead just remove the sidearm slot altogether. You can still fit a sidearm in a lightweapon slot so people that want knives or whatever can still do that. Wow, scouts actually sniper rifles!? That's news to me. I see a scout with a sniper rifle at least once per week due to the fact that they can be so easily one shotted by other sniper rifles they prefer to snipe in a suit that won't get them one shotted. Even with all that being said it is correct. Sniper Rifles should be able to be used on scouts. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 384	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:12:00 - [70] - Quote If they kept light suits the same they could use SR on them. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc

Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 93	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:24:00 - [71] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved NO This screws with the scouts ability to be a sniper... Instead just remove the sidearm slot altogether. You can still fit a sidearm in a lightweapon slot so people that want knives or whatever can still do that. Wow, scouts actually sniper rifles!? That's news to me. I see a scout with a sniper rifle at least once per week due to the fact that they can be so easily one shotted by other sniper rifles they prefer to snipe in a suit that won't get them one shotted. Even with all that being said it is correct. Sniper Rifles should be able to be used on scouts. I've been one shotted in my commando suit. I prefer the scout suit because it's harder to spot. Stick some profile dampeners on it and you don't show up on scans, so when someone's scanning the area you're sniping in you're still semi-safe. Snipers can one shot most suits now. The only way to be safe from OHK is being a sentinel.
Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2014.11.21 21:53:00 - [72] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Meee One wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Problem solved Great solution I also suggest removing the Heavy Weapon slot from Sentinels, and replacing it with a sidearm as well. This would surely balance the game Now you're getting it! Take away Logistics equipment while we are at it!!! Commandos don't need module slots and Assaults don't need grenades! Small turrets only on the MCC Sure,but i better get a heavy weapon slot on my Min logi. Heavy weapons for all frames actually. And the Commando gets to fire both HMGs at the same time! Commando 514!
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 388	Posted - 2014.11.22 08:25:00 - [73] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If we remove the light weapon slot from scout suits, what's left to counter heavies? Not sure I like this idea. That's not to say the scouts don't need a nerf, relatively speaking, but we have to be careful we don't throw the game balance out of whack even further as the popularity/effectiveness of heavies is also a problem, IMO, and scouts is one of the only counters. I believe you could use assaults in a similar respect, they are above scouts in the ewar tiers and could be countered by the side arm scouts, since they would fall above the assaults ewar. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2257	Posted - 2014.11.22 10:04:00 - [74] - Quote As much as i disagree with this i still respect you Kirk. Shotguns, CRs and SR are scoutly weapons. Not that they cant be used by other suits, i just think scouts should have SLIGHT bonus to them. You seem to like scouts working with you then against you, but you already told me you had a problem with scouts so that is why im not mad. o7 Kirk PSN Sil4ntChaozz *Specialist Low SP Player [SMG CR SR NK/Mk.0&Gk.0]* Not well-known not unknown
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2548	Posted - 2014.11.22 10:23:00 - [75] - Quote Clearly the scout needs that sidearm slot changed to a heavy weapons slot. Then I can carry a plasma cannon in one hand and a forge gun in the other! Muhahahaha I can taste the salty tears already! Oh CCP do it! Please do that, give us an officer scout suit that can carry heavy weapons. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!


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