So we are left with 2:
-TANKED: Full HP Scout, used as an assault with a lot less HP and no weapon bonuses but more stamina/e-war/speed. The one im using now is a Cal scout tanked...My cal Scout has 440ish Shields and 303 Armor, at the cost of dampening,speed,radar capacity,strafing speed and well...dignity.

-DAMPENED: Gals and Cals with 2 Cx profile dampeners and Amarr and Min with 2 or 3. Very stealthy and will never achieve over 500EHP.

Here are the "weapon bonuses" that assaults get:
Bigger clip size (Amarr/Minmatar)
Recoil reduction (Gallente)
Faster reload speed... lol (Caldari)

I still speed tank mate =p

i dont mind the new maps. Make my own cover. blueberries are excellent for this!

Hit detection glitching.

The thing is, the main idea of the scout is to be able to SOLO play, and effectively engage enemies in 1 on 1.

Bigger clip Size (MINMATAR ONLY): Equals more time delivering DPS.
Less HEAT REDUCTION (AMARR) : Equals more time delivering DPS.

The scout has 4 specific playstyles:

-Dampened : 2+ Profile dampeners to be Radar invisible
-Tanked: Full HP mods in order to have an Assault suit with less EHP but more speed and better E-war perks.
-E-war Scanner: Full precision mods to use passive scanning. ( my Fav style, Amarr and Cal scouts)
-Speed Tanked: 2+ Kinetic Cats for max speed and combat agility.

In 1.9 we have ony 2 types working.Dampened and Tanked.
Why you ask?
-E-war Passive scanning is dead because scouts are now either Not dampened ( and i can passive scan them anyways without prec. enhancers) or fully Dampened (and i cant scan them at all even with 2Cx prec enhancers on my Proto Amarr scout). Not to mention i feel stupid when im in one of my E-war scouts and everybody in my team is scanning at 200mts away and im like: ''Great, i should have just shield tanked....'''

Also the 30mts radar range on my amarr scout its just lame, making the only true radar capable scout , the Cal Scout.

-Speed tanked: AA is too strong and bullets seem to be incapable of missing on some weapons. Speed is not enough to get to cover in time with how open maps are now.

So we are left with 2:
-TANKED: Full HP Scout, used as an assault with a lot less HP and no weapon bonuses but more stamina/e-war/speed. The one im using now is a Cal scout tanked...My cal Scout has 440ish Shields and 303 Armor, at the cost of dampening,speed,radar capacity,strafing speed and well...dignity.

-DAMPENED: Gals and Cals with 2 Cx profile dampeners and Amarr and Min with 2 or 3. Very stealthy and will never achieve over 500EHP.

So, 1.9 only left us with 2 viable scout playstyles and now lets review the rest of the game!
XD

NEW MAPS? Horrible for scouts , they are the playground of Dropships+Uplink , Railrifles and Laser weaponry.

New Weapon Balance? Sure the Breach AR now works (one of my fav weapons) But what difference does it make to hit 60+ per bullet if HMGs can hit me effectivley at 45mts? AND win? XD
WEapons with LONGER ranges are now the best ones because of these maps! You can use a RR/SCR/LR/TAC AR in order to engage in longer ranges and use sidearms in CQ.

Assaults have the advantage now because of MAP LAYOUT. How maps are done now. The open spaces and reduced cover in most maps make the assault EHP plus above avarege mobility ideal for for this engagements. Heavies Can move almost freely around in close quarters areas since the SCAN SPAM (now TEAM BASED) is so drastic that they know where every enemy is....

Heavies Too,because of their LAV + HMG combo.

So overall, this patch is like a big Invisible nerf to scouts. I mean if you cant see a scout running through 500mts of open terrain is YOUR fault for being a sucky as hell player, not scouts being OP.

Even my 700HP full TAnked cal scout (eew im ashamed again) is crap compared to my Templar BPO fit (850+HP) with Templar SCR rifle in this patch...

Q.Q all you want but if it WASNT ENOUGH, cloak is ALSO nerfed and now i have to wait while running behind a Sentinel to be able to knife him. The window of error is Way to big now. Stalking has become even less effective.

Complain about scouts? they get kileld in 1 second by even a MLT combat rifle
Complain now about the BRCH AR? Lol when every other light and heavy weapon (except the Shotgun) has equal or more range?

So please enlighen me. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
nono, not that...Why are you all always complaining instead of getting good?

On the contrary.

1.9 Is the most noobish of all updates, i dont even need to AIM anymore.
AA is so strong i can wipe other Cal scouts at over 40-50mts in seconds with hip fire only...

Still not convinced? Then ''fix'' hit detection, REMOVE AA.

On the contrary.

1.9 Is the most noobish of all updates, i dont even need to AIM anymore.
AA is so strong i can wipe other Cal scouts at over 40-50mts in seconds with hip fire only...

Still not convinced? Then ''fix'' hit detection, REMOVE AA.

On the contrary.

1.9 Is the most noobish of all updates, i dont even need to AIM anymore.
AA is so strong i can wipe other Cal scouts at over 40-50mts in seconds with hip fire only...

Still not convinced? Then ''fix'' hit detection, REMOVE AA.

1.9 Is the most noobish of all updates, i don't even need to AIM anymore.
AA is so strong i can wipe other Cal scouts at over 40-50mts in seconds with hip fire only...

Still not convinced? Then ''fix'' hit detection, REMOVE AA.

i havnt seen the lav/hmg thing in such a long time.

All 1.9 did was increase FPS in certain instances. This made hit detection more accurate thus making it appear to "buff" AA. (That's my theory)

Aim assist compensates for controllers' clunky, jerky movements. It needs to stay, but it could probably be turned down a bit now the FPS optimizations have been added in 1.9.

By the way, even after hit detection was improved scouts can strafe all but focused fire from multiple players.

Bigger clip Size (MINMATAR ONLY): Equals more time delivering DPS.
Less HEAT REDUCTION (AMARR) : Equals more time delivering DPS.
Recoil reduction. Sure m8, this one sucks, but ARs are working now so whatevs. This bonus DOES WORK with the TAC and regular AR thou. Pretty well too.
Faster Reload speed: well it reduced the time it takes to get back on dealing damage. It should be a little more thou...



An advanced Scout with 2 Cx profile dampeners will always be (AT MAX) in 400EHP (give or take) . This is light, considering how weapons cannot miss now. So they apply Full DPS most of the time.

I will need to see someone at CCP that states the scout's role is solo and engage the enemy one on one. I'm pretty sure they never have. That's an idea you have in your head about how scouts should work that probably happens to be your preferred playstyle.


The ability to fit cloaks easier and strafe-dance to become invincible still outweighs the assault bonuses.

The scout has 4 specific playstyles:

-Dampened : 2+ Profile dampeners to be Radar invisible
-Tanked: Full HP mods in order to have an Assault suit with less EHP but more speed and better E-war perks.
-E-war Scanner: Full precision mods to use passive scanning. ( my Fav style, Amarr and Cal scouts)
-Speed Tanked: 2+ Kinetic Cats for max speed and combat agility.

In 1.9 we have ony 2 types working.Dampened and Tanked.
Why you ask?
-E-war Passive scanning is dead because scouts are now either Not dampened ( and i can passive scan them anyways without prec. enhancers) or fully Dampened (and i cant scan them at all even with 2Cx prec enhancers on my Proto Amarr scout). Not to mention i feel stupid when im in one of my E-war scouts and everybody in my team is scanning at 200mts away and im like: ''Great, i should have just shield tanked....'''

Also the 30mts radar range on my amarr scout its just lame, making the only true radar capable scout , the Cal Scout.

-Speed tanked: AA is too strong and bullets seem to be incapable of missing on some weapons. Speed is not enough to get to cover in time with how open maps are now.

So we are left with 2:
-TANKED: Full HP Scout, used as an assault with a lot less HP and no weapon bonuses but more stamina/e-war/speed. The one im using now is a Cal scout tanked...My cal Scout has 440ish Shields and 303 Armor, at the cost of dampening,speed,radar capacity,strafing speed and well...dignity.

-DAMPENED: Gals and Cals with 2 Cx profile dampeners and Amarr and Min with 2 or 3. Very stealthy and will never achieve over 500EHP.

So, 1.9 only left us with 2 viable scout playstyles and now lets review the rest of the game!
XD

NEW MAPS? Horrible for scouts , they are the playground of Dropships+Uplink , Railrifles and Laser weaponry.

New Weapon Balance? Sure the Breach AR now works (one of my fav weapons) But what difference does it make to hit 60+ per bullet if HMGs can hit me effectivley at 45mts? AND win? XD
WEapons with LONGER ranges are now the best ones because of these maps! You can use a RR/SCR/LR/TAC AR in order to engage in longer ranges and use sidearms in CQ.

Assaults have the advantage now because of MAP LAYOUT. How maps are done now. The open spaces and reduced cover in most maps make the assault EHP plus above avarege mobility ideal for for this engagements. Heavies Can move almost freely around in close quarters areas since the SCAN SPAM (now TEAM BASED) is so drastic that they know where every enemy is....

Heavies Too,because of their LAV + HMG combo.

So overall, this patch is like a big Invisible nerf to scouts. I mean if you cant see a scout running through 500mts of open terrain is YOUR fault for being a sucky as hell player, not scouts being OP.

Even my 700HP full TAnked cal scout (eew im ashamed again) is crap compared to my Templar BPO fit (850+HP) with Templar SCR rifle in this patch...

Q.Q all you want but if it WASNT ENOUGH, cloak is ALSO nerfed and now i have to wait while running behind a Sentinel to be able to knife him. The window of error is Way to big now. Stalking has become even less effective.

Complain about scouts? they get kileld in 1 second by even a MLT combat rifle
Complain now about the BRCH AR? Lol when every other light and heavy weapon (except the Shotgun) has equal or more range?

So please enlighen me. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
nono, not that...Why are you all always complaining instead of getting good?

Literally every time there is a change to a scanning mechanic we have scouts crying all over the forums about how dead the class is.

It's really cute.

Lol, he says get goodGǪ needs a cloak.

Real scouts from before the cloak say scouts are fine as a scout and not as a pre-packaged ninja assassin with the cloak.

That's who.

Good to see you back around King, though I was surprised to see you rocking a calscout last night.

On the whole subject of them being nerfed, scouts are still the best flankers in the game. Last night alone I was able to bag 4 guys in under 2 seconds with NK's in a 300ehp suit all because they didn't know I was there till it was too late.

They still outstrafe everything that's not also a light frame and their smaller hitboxes can allow them to literally weave through heavy fire if they have that skill down pat.

Ran up to a gal scout today, prototype; shotgunned his face off. Never saw me approach from his peripherals.

I had scanned message too and was not cloaked.

Scout harder.

In my opinion you Scouts are still too damn op. All you do is strafe, strafe, RE, and more strafe! Not cool. -_- (No disrespect)

It depends on the map, but i have tried this on my scout ck.0:

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3 Complex precision enhancers
1 Complex shield extender

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1 Complex ferroscale plate
1 Complex dampener

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1 Six kin assault combat rifle
1 Ishokune nova knives

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1 ARN-18 cloak field (escape tool)
1 Viziam stable drop uplink

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1 Flux grenade

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I use this fit on particular maps, and it really works. You rarely cloak up unless you are attacked by several enemies (i have had some crazy escapes), the precision enhancers mean that you don't get caught by shotgun scouts and the dampener can be swapped with another plate if there aren't scan scouts/logis around.

On an outdoor map i just completely max out my caldari scout full tank
or
run an assault suit

The scout has 4 specific playstyles:

-Dampened : 2+ Profile dampeners to be Radar invisible
-Tanked: Full HP mods in order to have an Assault suit with less EHP but more speed and better E-war perks.
-E-war Scanner: Full precision mods to use passive scanning. ( my Fav style, Amarr and Cal scouts)
-Speed Tanked: 2+ Kinetic Cats for max speed and combat agility.

In 1.9 we have ony 2 types working.Dampened and Tanked.
Why you ask?
-E-war Passive scanning is dead because scouts are now either Not dampened ( and i can passive scan them anyways without prec. enhancers) or fully Dampened (and i cant scan them at all even with 2Cx prec enhancers on my Proto Amarr scout). Not to mention i feel stupid when im in one of my E-war scouts and everybody in my team is scanning at 200mts away and im like: ''Great, i should have just shield tanked....'''

Also the 30mts radar range on my amarr scout its just lame, making the only true radar capable scout , the Cal Scout.

-Speed tanked: AA is too strong and bullets seem to be incapable of missing on some weapons. Speed is not enough to get to cover in time with how open maps are now.

So we are left with 2:
-TANKED: Full HP Scout, used as an assault with a lot less HP and no weapon bonuses but more stamina/e-war/speed. The one im using now is a Cal scout tanked...My cal Scout has 440ish Shields and 303 Armor, at the cost of dampening,speed,radar capacity,strafing speed and well...dignity.

-DAMPENED: Gals and Cals with 2 Cx profile dampeners and Amarr and Min with 2 or 3. Very stealthy and will never achieve over 500EHP.

So, 1.9 only left us with 2 viable scout playstyles and now lets review the rest of the game!
XD

NEW MAPS? Horrible for scouts , they are the playground of Dropships+Uplink , Railrifles and Laser weaponry.

New Weapon Balance? Sure the Breach AR now works (one of my fav weapons) But what difference does it make to hit 60+ per bullet if HMGs can hit me effectivley at 45mts? AND win? XD
WEapons with LONGER ranges are now the best ones because of these maps! You can use a RR/SCR/LR/TAC AR in order to engage in longer ranges and use sidearms in CQ.

Assaults have the advantage now because of MAP LAYOUT. How maps are done now. The open spaces and reduced cover in most maps make the assault EHP plus above avarege mobility ideal for for this engagements. Heavies Can move almost freely around in close quarters areas since the SCAN SPAM (now TEAM BASED) is so drastic that they know where every enemy is....

Heavies Too,because of their LAV + HMG combo.

So overall, this patch is like a big Invisible nerf to scouts. I mean if you cant see a scout running through 500mts of open terrain is YOUR fault for being a sucky as hell player, not scouts being OP.

Even my 700HP full TAnked cal scout (eew im ashamed again) is crap compared to my Templar BPO fit (850+HP) with Templar SCR rifle in this patch...

Q.Q all you want but if it WASNT ENOUGH, cloak is ALSO nerfed and now i have to wait while running behind a Sentinel to be able to knife him. The window of error is Way to big now. Stalking has become even less effective.

Complain about scouts? they get kileld in 1 second by even a MLT combat rifle
Complain now about the BRCH AR? Lol when every other light and heavy weapon (except the Shotgun) has equal or more range?

So please enlighen me. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
nono, not that...Why are you all always complaining instead of getting good?

Well if we dont strafe we die . Like...really quick XD

You are basically saying: ''In my opinion you Scouts are still too damn op. All you do isavoid dying,avoid dying, use powerful CQ weapons because regular ones dont cut it against the 900+EHP of med frames, and more avoid dying! Not cool. -_- (



no disrespect. :3

scouts are the easiest thing to use in the game i have been killed by tons scouts left and right, yes i have also played as scout and when i do its no effort easy kills left and right. there have been times when scouts run up to me i open fire and what? im dead? oh look the scout that filled the HMG targeting circle didn't take enough damage from the 35m distance it took to get to me, so i say to you check mate there have been times when as a scout Ive been caught with my skirt down trying to get a hvy or some other frame because i wasn't paying attention "why are you complain instead of getting good? " also if you cant avoid a HMG at 45m don't stand still?

All 1.9 did was increase FPS in certain instances. This made hit detection more accurate thus making it appear to "buff" AA. (That's my theory)

Aim assist compensates for controllers' clunky, jerky movements. It needs to stay, but it could probably be turned down a bit now the FPS optimizations have been added in 1.9.

By the way, even after hit detection was improved scouts can strafe all but focused fire from multiple players.

I am a real scout from before cloaks... >..>

Get your facts straight. Whats worng of using a new equipement meant for us?

Its like saying, OMG you ppl are not real assaults because old school assaults only had ARs as light weapons and you are using a CR/SCR/RR...

DUMB.

I've been using a Cal scout, while on the move , cloaked , and i get killed by an HMG at 40mts away. I was OBVIOUSLY , not standing still.

Scouts is the easiest thing to use.... Huh...

Then i dont want to play EZ mode, its just that kind of guy....!

I might just go around in a 1000+ EHP Amarr assault with double Cx Damage mods to have a little challenge...

The scout has 4 specific playstyles:

-Dampened : 2+ Profile dampeners to be Radar invisible
-Tanked: Full HP mods in order to have an Assault suit with less EHP but more speed and better E-war perks.
-E-war Scanner: Full precision mods to use passive scanning. ( my Fav style, Amarr and Cal scouts)
-Speed Tanked: 2+ Kinetic Cats for max speed and combat agility.

In 1.9 we have ony 2 types working.Dampened and Tanked.
Why you ask?
-E-war Passive scanning is dead because scouts are now either Not dampened ( and i can passive scan them anyways without prec. enhancers) or fully Dampened (and i cant scan them at all even with 2Cx prec enhancers on my Proto Amarr scout). Not to mention i feel stupid when im in one of my E-war scouts and everybody in my team is scanning at 200mts away and im like: ''Great, i should have just shield tanked....'''

Also the 30mts radar range on my amarr scout its just lame, making the only true radar capable scout , the Cal Scout.

-Speed tanked: AA is too strong and bullets seem to be incapable of missing on some weapons. Speed is not enough to get to cover in time with how open maps are now.

So we are left with 2:
-TANKED: Full HP Scout, used as an assault with a lot less HP and no weapon bonuses but more stamina/e-war/speed. The one im using now is a Cal scout tanked...My cal Scout has 440ish Shields and 303 Armor, at the cost of dampening,speed,radar capacity,strafing speed and well...dignity.

-DAMPENED: Gals and Cals with 2 Cx profile dampeners and Amarr and Min with 2 or 3. Very stealthy and will never achieve over 500EHP.

So, 1.9 only left us with 2 viable scout playstyles and now lets review the rest of the game!
XD

NEW MAPS? Horrible for scouts , they are the playground of Dropships+Uplink , Railrifles and Laser weaponry.

New Weapon Balance? Sure the Breach AR now works (one of my fav weapons) But what difference does it make to hit 60+ per bullet if HMGs can hit me effectivley at 45mts? AND win? XD
WEapons with LONGER ranges are now the best ones because of these maps! You can use a RR/SCR/LR/TAC AR in order to engage in longer ranges and use sidearms in CQ.

Assaults have the advantage now because of MAP LAYOUT. How maps are done now. The open spaces and reduced cover in most maps make the assault EHP plus above avarege mobility ideal for for this engagements. Heavies Can move almost freely around in close quarters areas since the SCAN SPAM (now TEAM BASED) is so drastic that they know where every enemy is....

Heavies Too,because of their LAV + HMG combo.

So overall, this patch is like a big Invisible nerf to scouts. I mean if you cant see a scout running through 500mts of open terrain is YOUR fault for being a sucky as hell player, not scouts being OP.

Even my 700HP full TAnked cal scout (eew im ashamed again) is crap compared to my Templar BPO fit (850+HP) with Templar SCR rifle in this patch...

Q.Q all you want but if it WASNT ENOUGH, cloak is ALSO nerfed and now i have to wait while running behind a Sentinel to be able to knife him. The window of error is Way to big now. Stalking has become even less effective.

Complain about scouts? they get kileld in 1 second by even a MLT combat rifle
Complain now about the BRCH AR? Lol when every other light and heavy weapon (except the Shotgun) has equal or more range?

So please enlighen me. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
nono, not that...Why are you all always complaining instead of getting good?

I MUST CLARIFY, i am not saying Scouts are UP. Or useless , or whining about our current situation.
Im just trying to make you guys SEE its not that we are ''OP'' its that you are lazy..

can someone tell me what AA is? amarr assault would be my only guess but I'm guessing that's wrong.

pubs who cares

A dual tanked scout still has the best base scan precision, scan radius, and profile in Dust 514 BEFORE dropsuit command skills are applied. If you are concerned about you strafe speed you can fit reactives or ferroscales and still achieve respectable eHP totals.

Here are the "weapon bonuses" that assaults get:
Bigger clip size (Amarr/Minmatar)
Recoil reduction (Gallente)
Faster reload speed... lol (Caldari)

Assaults can't fit cloaks or matrix dodge like a scout can so that is a toss-up at best.

Focused EWAR, very light tank scouts you say? Why, what a novel concept

Alright, so I'm going to try and give an unbiased opinion here.

The overall problem is that it's far too easy to perform 'gotcha' kills with Shotguns/Knives/what have you. I can spend ages going over the whole timeline of how EWAR's gone down but it essentially comes down to this: If Cloaking devices were meant to be used for logistical purposes (moving from point a to point b) and not for 'predator' kills... Then perhaps the cloaking effects should have been reversed, with -BETTER- cloaking while moving and more blue shimmer while holding still. This gives an extreme advantage to crossing long distances to be able to flank the enemy.

But with that, there has to be a tradeoff, because the cloaking animation/delay is problematic at best. It shouldn't be that you can just drop cloak and kill the person instantly before they can grasp what is happening, this is the exact nature of a 'gotcha' / 'predator' kill and it's primarily what makes Scouts over-powered. Even if you live, you're likely in no shape to continue and extended fight with a player who can defy physics and dance between bullets with circle strafing or simply out damage and out-tank the competition.

Sure, Scouts can be mpervious to scans. That seems inevitable at this point. Every scout has the capability to get beneath a Gal Logi's focused scanner, as niche as it is, and there are already changes underway to reduce the efficiency of it. In the words of one Duster: Fixing a problem meant for one class in a way that affects everyone. Suffice to say, Scouts won that battle - they have the profile dampening. That's fine though, as long as that's what they're doing instead of plating up and playing Slayer.

The community needs to think less in the way of hotfixes and balances and more along the lines of 'what role does the Scout -actually- play and how can we refine/tweak that to make it both viable and functional?" It simply cannot be slayer, however, as it then crosses into Assault/Commando territory, which desperately needs to come up. Thereby it must be EWAR, but done so in a way that a Scout has to be more tactical than the rest of the roles but not over-powering in a way that it makes for easy kills regardless of outcome or ease of use into Slayer category.

I beg to differ about matrix dodging....The people I fear most strafing are minmitar assaults, and some OG caldaris....twice the HP, same strafe speed, same acceleration (infinity)

Also, people REALLY need better aim...yall suck.

Agreed, but there is now a .33 second delay between cloaking and firing, so that helps.

Thanks for your exclusive POV, scout. One day when you play other roles you will realize 90% of this game has become defense against scouts.