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Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:30:00 - [1] - Quote After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4380	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:33:00 - [2] - Quote I don't need a second gpa to worry about (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14833	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:34:00 - [3] - Quote It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:35:00 - [4] - Quote Some people use the excuse of not running proto. Yeah "my kdr might suck but at least I don't run proto in pubs!" 90% of these types are big time scrubs. On the other side though, logis
Protocake JR USA Caucasians 1535	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:36:00 - [5] - Quote If your KDR is decent, you care about it. If it's not, you don't care about it. Funny how that works out.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5480	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:37:00 - [6] - Quote Because unless you run Ambush exclusively, there is more to winning than killing and being killed. I have sacrifice clones to hack points, allowing my teammates to make the kills defending the objectives and turning the tide of the game. Logis enable Heavies to deal much death, and defend a point longer against a number of enemies that they would otherwise not be able to handle, also making a huge contribution that doesn't show up on KDR. One of the greatest things about Dust is that there is more strategy than to kill or be killed. And in many game modes, sometimes those are even more important. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4332	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:37:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I don't need a second gpa to worry about I don't even worry about the first one. Hurray for having responsible friends and easy teachers!
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 1099	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:39:00 - [8] - Quote I don't really care about my kdr. I play aggressive and do dumb things but I still don't like dying. And I HATE when some idiot wants to revive me infront of five reds just so he can get 60 points. Being able to choose if I want a revive or not should have been added a long time ago. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1017	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Because unless you run Ambush exclusively, there is more to winning than killing and being killed. I have sacrifice clones to hack points, allowing my teammates to make the kills defending the objectives and turning the tide of the game. Logis enable Heavies to deal much death, and defend a point longer against a number of enemies that they would otherwise not be able to handle, also making a huge contribution that doesn't show up on KDR. One of the greatest things about Dust is that there is more strategy than to kill or be killed. And in many game modes, sometimes those are even more important. Your KDR is worse than the hilltop charge sniper who killed 6 people and then hid by the redline supply depot for the rest of the match when someone shot back at him obviously you are worse at the game and less valuable to the team than him, only scrubs hack objectives
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 165	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [10] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Because KD/R does not equal to skill and this is basic knowledge. If a game is balanced the only thing that would allow you to determine how well you do is whether or not you died from major error. You would have to evaluate how you died for this, and how you killed a person and whether or not you have a method for fighting players and if it works or not, and so on. This game is not balanced and the only way you can get your KD/R up is by having an advantage over anyone and eveyone. Either by sniping or having max ewar, impractical skill bonuses like scout suit skills, or overpowered weaponry et cetera.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5482	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [11] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I don't really care about my kdr. I play aggressive and do dumb things but I still don't like dying. And I HATE when some idiot wants to revive me infront of five reds just so he can get 60 points. Being able to choose if I want a revive or not should have been added a long time ago. They can only do it when you ask now. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2248	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [12] - Quote Mostly because KDR is not a measure of how useful you are as part of a team. If it's something you really care about it's actually a measure of how selfish you are. If you have an awesome KDR but lose matches because you're faffing about instead of playing the objectives you're not a good player. You won't sacrifice yourself for the good of the team because you're too busy stroking your ahem stats, which lets down every other player on the team.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4382	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:42:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I don't need a second gpa to worry about I don't even worry about the first one. Hurray for having responsible friends and easy teachers! Yeah, honestly I don't either I just show up to class but I kinda have to since environmental science is what I want to pursue as a job. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 106	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:49:00 - [14] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I don't really care about my kdr. I play aggressive and do dumb things but I still don't like dying. And I HATE when some idiot wants to revive me infront of five reds just so he can get 60 points. Being able to choose if I want a revive or not should have been added a long time ago. No, we medics often try to help as best we can (with the regular scrub exception) in terms of saving clones, say I risk my proto suit fighting my way to you to revive you and you reject, I have risked a 75,000 suit that could've gone towards pushing an objective. If you do not want medics reviving you had the choice before 1.9, it was called "Suicide" it was a butten terminating your clone and then you would not be picked up. Also I now have problems running any suit in game now because if I die I will most likely have to lose that suit with I care for so much. (Related to 1.9 because a lot of medics ran off to assault) "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 203	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:55:00 - [15] - Quote Because unless you win by clone destruction it doesn't matter, and it is very often that squads will just farm players that don't know any better at spawn points over and over. If your talking about the actual records they are all bullshit also those losers with no life that just sat and red line sniped at the top of it. If they fixed those thing and reset the board I would care about it until then it just shows who is pathetic enough to exploit broken mechanics for two years. 21 day fast started 10/31 in respect to the discipline of Gahndi. Wizard Talk
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7372	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:57:00 - [16] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. W/L > KD/R I'd rather go negative and win every day than get an insane K/D and lose every game. P T F O Thankfully, I can PTFO and still pull off a great K/D. I just never worry about it. I'd gladly trade 2 or 3 deaths with no kills to keep people from taking a point. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:01:00 - [17] - Quote Honestly, everyone does care a little bit but I think the reason people say they 'dont care' is because there are those out there that look at KDR as some sort of infallible stat on how 'good' a player is. There are many many things that alter KDR drastically. Sniping, Tanking and abusing the meta are but a few. Realistically it is one small stat in a large number of others stats and while in competitive terms these stats DO matter - the only real metric worth a damn to ALL of us is how much fun are we getting out of a game. Also if you do not think that running proto 24/7 vs running lower end gear /isk grinding is not a factor then I believe you are misguided, personally. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 383	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:06:00 - [18] - Quote Ive personally seen Crazy Cat Lady win a match and not kill a damn thing. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 448	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:07:00 - [19] - Quote The objective. And not necessarily the obvious letter ones. It could be protecting the point. Ensuring an important target is eliminated. Clearing a station of hostiles. Tracking enemy progress. Transportation. The list goes on and on, and plenty don't have reliable positive impacts on KD/R. Plus the fun and thrill of beholding a miracle. In the form of 12 Sentinels going BOOM which usually gets myself killed in the process. Give the Magsex some love.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2352	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:08:00 - [20] - Quote Why do some people care so much about it? In truth, a lot of people don't care about their KDR in games like CoD or BF. It is just that you don't really become super vocal about things you don't care about. "When it comes to the current Administration, I just can't make a solid opinion!" will never, ever be yelled over a megaphone. When it comes to DUST, KD/R is a less useful stat to be super stoked about. Sure, your KD/R might be 43.2 but if that just means that in 100 games you will kill 43 people and die once or twice during that time frame are you as useful in helping your team win as the person that is 0.93 and hacks points? Furthermore, there are SO many ways to pad that KD/R like a fourth grader's bra. Redline Snipers, Tankers, and good ADS pilots die far less often than most other roles. An ADS Pilot might only die every other match and kill maybe 7 people a match which makes for an oh-so sexy 14 KDR. It wasn't that they were some kind of unstoppable killing machine; they just rarely die. I was really happy when it hit above 1.5 because it meant I was getting better. That is when it meant a lot to me because I could see that I was starting to be less terrible at the game. I started in the sub .7's and got it up to 1.5 s I could see I was getting better. Now, it fluctuates between 3.88 and 3.92; it is just a number that doesn't mean too much to me. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1211	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:08:00 - [21] - Quote Because if you care about your KDR when you are defending/taking a point, and the enemy doesn't, they are going to take the point. EWAR tool
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2104	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:13:00 - [22] - Quote Here's a situation. I kill you 5 times, you kill me 10. I'm wearing a starter suit, you're wearing proto. Your KDR is 2.0, mine is 0.5. And I'm the better player. Because you lost about 650k isk worth of assets, and I lost 0. I destroyed more isk than you did. No matter if I die 20 or 50 times over, I still killed more of your money than you killed of mine. That's why it doesn't matter. a 5.0 KDR in proto gear against militia suits is not that impressive. Killing millions in assets while losing none yourself... that's a real merc. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 368	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:14:00 - [23] - Quote i value my win/loss record over my kdr. I rather have tons of wins to my name than to have a high kdr with no wins. Dust is a game to which your combat effectiveness is not measured by your kills but by war-points. 07 to my logi brothers. I just want to win...Of course winning means either taking and holding the objective....or wiping the enemy team out. Clones are valuable....you kdr is not. I laugh when i see that guy with high amount of kills but his team losses anyway....basically its just saying im not a team player.....that guy is what i like to call.......the best loser golf clap 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 38	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:19:00 - [24] - Quote Because I have too much fun chasing the gun fights and not enough patience to wait for the 'ideal' kills, lol Really though, like already stated, I think most of us care a little, and I really mean 'little'. It's only one stat on a game that gives benefits based on multiple stats. WP, W/L, Damage dealt/received, healing given/received, kill assists, etc. I once got hate mail because I went 2/20, but I had 12 assists. That means I at least contributed to my team, even if I wasn't a Super Slayer. KDR is overrated in this game, and not every role should be defined by the same stat.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4516	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:27:00 - [25] - Quote Because KDR sh*tbags think they are the only ones the devs should listen to because they are the "good" players and will vocally say that they are the only voice that matters. It's another reason to act entitled and be a douche. Screw your KDR, I killed your tank. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Michael Arck 5987	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:31:00 - [26] - Quote Simply because Dust is much more than a KDR stat game. In COD or BF, I can see where those stats are highly important. In Dust, it means nothing. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1410	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:40:00 - [27] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Down here in the dust, what's the point? KDR doesn't benefit you one way or the other. Not to mention guns that don't fire, hit boxes that barely meet the definition, terrain glitches, shield glitches, server lag, the Merc you got in a gun fight with was closer to the server (you think), latency, KB/M vs DS3 and that perfect streak you had going was stopped by getting dc'd from PSN (nobody's fault, router reset). Of course the best is when you all finally log in again and the game has completely changed again. Dust is for playing with friends for me. I don't have any other reason to log in. That and all the CoD and BF* kiddies are tiresome. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4434	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:43:00 - [28] - Quote Because logistics. And having fun, FFS... God forbid I enjoy myself! And CQC mass drivers and lolfits and suicide RE runs and jumping out of dropships into the middle of the enemy guns blazing because it's awesome *Plus, the size of my actual peen (apeen?) and hot wife make me not give two fcks about you neckbeards and/or other assorted virgins and your useless video game stats** Honestly, if you obsess about your "stats" in a video game to the point it makes you play a different way than what is most fun to you, then you are doing it wrong. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:44:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Every match of this game you play your objective is to win the match and rank high on the leaderboard. How is that not a real competitive scene? Also, you seem to be confusing someone caring about their KDR so that it can be used to make an assessment about something with someone caring about their KDR so they can brag about it to people. If you view and use the KDR with its intended purpose of being measured you wouldn't manipulate it.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:04:00 - [30] - Quote Some of you people have some decent responses but some of you people seem to be extremely simple-minded and possibly suffer from self-esteem issues.

Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:20:00 - [31] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Because logistics. And having fun, FFS... God forbid I enjoy myself! And CQC mass drivers and lolfits and suicide RE runs and jumping out of dropships into the middle of the enemy guns blazing because it's awesome *Plus, the size of my actual peen (apeen?) and hot wife make me not give two fcks about you neckbeards and/or other assorted virgins and your useless video game stats** Honestly, if you obsess about your "stats" in a video game to the point it makes you play a different way than what is most fun to you, then you are doing it wrong. HAHAHA!! I had to google "neckbeard" to figure out what that meant and the pictures accompanied with the definition did not disappoint. In reality though if you were to actually stand next to me I would make you feel very insecure with yourself. I would have to say I don't follow your logic. You seem to be saying that you can not have fun playing a game if you chose to at the same time care about how well you perform playing said game.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4519	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:24:00 - [32] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Every match of this game you play your objective is to win the match and rank high on the leaderboard. How is that not a real competitive scene? Also, you seem to be confusing someone caring about their KDR so that it can be used to make an assessment about something with someone caring about their KDR so they can brag about it to people. If you view and use the KDR with its intended purpose of being measured you wouldn't manipulate it. Because KDR doesn't carry you to the top of the killboard. Warpoints do. If I get 4 kills 6 deaths but crank out 2800 warpoints trashing turrets, tanks and dropships I will be higher on the killboard than someone with 30 kills and 1500 warpoints. Ergo there is no bearing that KDR has on the game. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:31:00 - [33] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Summa Militum wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Every match of this game you play your objective is to win the match and rank high on the leaderboard. How is that not a real competitive scene? Also, you seem to be confusing someone caring about their KDR so that it can be used to make an assessment about something with someone caring about their KDR so they can brag about it to people. If you view and use the KDR with its intended purpose of being measured you wouldn't manipulate it. Because KDR doesn't carry you to the top of the killboard. Warpoints do. If I get 4 kills 6 deaths but crank out 2800 warpoints trashing turrets, tanks and dropships I will be higher on the killboard than someone with 30 kills and 1500 warpoints. Ergo there is no bearing that KDR has on the game. When talking about the KDR of a specific match it is important to understand that a crappy KDR with a lot of War Points can carry you to the top of the leader-board of the losing team.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1621	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:39:00 - [34] - Quote There's not really much point in caring too much about any of the stats. KDR I care about up to the point that I kill more than I die; as long as it stays 1.01 or above I'm happy. Chief-Shotty wrote: I laugh when i see that guy with high amount of kills but his team losses anyway....basically its just saying im not a team player.....that guy is what i like to call.......the best loser golf clap Sometimes..... no .. A lot of times that guy is the only guy on the team trying to win. I can't count the times I've led a push for the objective and take it only to have my team disperse to the far corners of the map leaving me at the objective while the enemy team pushes back in. On the bright side I get to sit pretty on top of the leader board with 20-50+ kills & less than 5 deaths most times it happens and I get to flatter myself with thoughts of people talking about how much of a bad@ss I was defending the objective by myself. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 972	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:41:00 - [35] - Quote Fun. Game to game I take notice of my KDR coz I like to compare myself in that respect, but when ppl talk about KDR I usually think they're talking long term overall stat. Which I don't give a shite about :) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:51:00 - [36] - Quote Because Fear is the Mind Killer. In all seriousness, it's an extremely paddable stat and can be manipulated with ease. I have a pitiful 1.41 KDR but that's because I do things like provide the only meaningful AV in 3/4 of the pub matches I'm in, pop people from 171.4 meters away with a PLC, run paper thin basic scout suits with knives for the lulz and chase proto stompers around on suicidal vengeance romps. I do it all for funzies, because at the end of the day I play games for fun. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
Nirwanda Vaughns 894	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:53:00 - [37] - Quote i'm not interested in my kdr as in FPS games i'm normally a medic but also i'm not a 12yr old who thinks a good kdr gives you a bigger ***** or actually means anything in life its a stat on a game in a make believe world. why would you care? you can pad it out as a sniper, tanker or just hiding at teh back as SL and drop barge strikes. its a worthless judge of skill Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2355	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:55:00 - [38] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: [ When talking about the KDR of a specific match it is important to understand that a crappy KDR with a lot of War Points can carry you to the top of the leader-board of the losing team. And a high KDR with few War Points can carry you to the top of the leader-board of the losing team. I am curious what you are getting at. You have been given the best answers that could possibly be given for "I don't care about KDR because X" that I think is possible. In this case, X = "I just want to have fun playing." "It has a lot less relevance in this game." It doesn't win games." "I think there are better statistics." "There are play styles that will artificially inflate or deflate your KDR." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1588	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:24:00 - [39] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. because KDR means nothing compaired to WP.. WP = #1 on team list easier then KD [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 805	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:33:00 - [40] - Quote hold that wrote: Some people use the excuse of not running proto. Yeah "my kdr might suck but at least I don't run proto in pubs!" 90% of these types are big time scrubs. On the other side though, logis I literally never run Proto. I don't even have it anymore. You clearly do run proto, but yet my KD/R is literally more than two times higher than your pathetic 1.10... 2.24 What's your "excuse"? Swag-suit4lyfe!

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14217	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:41:00 - [41] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. KDR means little to me. All it means is that I can kill puny infantry weaklings and tear through them like their dropsuits are paper. All that matters is ISK destroyed vs ISK lost. That suggests to me that I am completing my role well and that for every 824,000 ISK tank I deploy I am scoring well in excess of 1,500,000 - 2,000,000 ISK in kills. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 218	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:57:00 - [42] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Why do some people care so much about it? In truth, a lot of people don't care about their KDR in games like CoD or BF. It is just that you don't really become super vocal about things you don't care about. "When it comes to the current Administration, I just can't make a solid opinion!" will never, ever be yelled over a megaphone. When it comes to DUST, KD/R is a less useful stat to be super stoked about. Sure, your KD/R might be 43.2 but if that just means that in 100 games you will kill 43 people and die once or twice during that time frame are you as useful in helping your team win as the person that is 0.93 and hacks points? Furthermore, there are SO many ways to pad that KD/R like a fourth grader's bra. Redline Snipers, Tankers, and good ADS pilots die far less often than most other roles. An ADS Pilot might only die every other match and kill maybe 7 people a match which makes for an oh-so sexy 14 KDR. It wasn't that they were some kind of unstoppable killing machine; they just rarely die. I was really happy when it hit above 1.5 because it meant I was getting better. That is when it meant a lot to me because I could see that I was starting to be less terrible at the game. I started in the sub .7's and got it up to 1.5 s I could see I was getting better. Now, it fluctuates between 3.88 and 3.92; it is just a number that doesn't mean too much to me. Those type of pilots don't have those kind of KDR stats though. Many of those players were pilots before assault dropships were even in game. My stat on KDR shows me at 0.74. Since last years update I had only started to begin with catching up to my death score, but all what you said is true! KDR score should be taken lightly, as KDR's don't win matches. Dust is more unique that rewards players depending on their role and how they play well with their team. It's why most love it. In your more average cookie cut shooter KDR is the only thing that matters. *Gabriella Grey* "Amarr Ace Pilot" Saracen Squadron 7th Fleet Division
Paulus Phen502 RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:21:00 - [43] - Quote When I'm playing solo in a pub I wish a whole lot more people cared about winning but so many seem to be out there just padding their stats. So I made an alt last week and made a sniper fit with a basic sniper rifle and put it on the suits they gave me didn't even spec up prof in the sniper rifle. AND I was able to make it into the top 20 in weekly k/d if I had had time I think I could have got top 5. Went 50 something and 0, didn't even cap, while my main Paulus had a weekly of like 1.66/1 ratio. Horrible right, no I just try to run around and win game, hack when it desperately needs it, charge in without a logi, look for a way to win a 4 capped skirm, and guess what, I enjoyed myself much more that way, than camping and stomping, running solo in basic suits preparesyou better for PC matches too. So I guess it would be nice to have people think I'm great because I can fill leaderboards, but I'm to the age where I can see my own accomplishments in the game and be happy with myself.To thine own self be true, but to each their own. "There's no stoppin' what can't be stopped, no killin' what can't be killed," King Willie Predator II.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1266	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:22:00 - [44] - Quote I care for the reason you state, but I don't care if it reflects exactly how I played. If I goofed around orgot farmed by revives I know it, it isn't like I look at my KDR and have no idea what happened. So if you care, I think you are fooling yourself it is about what you think about your playing it is what you want others to think about your playing. Because, that's why.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2084	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:28:00 - [45] - Quote It's a bit complicated. Having a solid K/D is nice, but it's not the be all/end all stat in a game focused on team play with so many other factors. I've gone out and spent weeks at a time butchering my K/D just because I stopped caring, running a NK/PLC fit back when both were exceedingly underwhelming, just to eek out a bit more entertainment. The best way CCP could do it would be to have an ISK destroyed/ISK lost stat, which would be the most reflective of a player's skill. It wouldn't be that hard to do either. It would look something like this: 1,114,243 / 216,783 Boom. ISK destroyed/ISK lost. Drop it on the end game stats under your K/D stat wheel or around your favorite weapon and suit. I feel that K/D and WP are important stats for the end of match leader boards as they more directly impact the result of the match, so if you WERE to add this stat in there as well you would have to rework the leaderboards at the end of the match. I'd like to see it, but I'm not too hopeful. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 615	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:31:00 - [46] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Lol, wuh! It means nothing that's why. Casual play and eyes lets you know how well you are doing. I don't need a game to feed my ego. AndGÇª beer. Don't try so hard. Boycott Black Thursday!
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1579	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:44:00 - [47] - Quote I dont care about my KDR, I would rather jump into the fray and die than sitting somewhere peeing in my pants doing nothing. my fit costs 20k though thus I can die a few times and still go positive.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9107	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:46:00 - [48] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: If your KDR is decent, you care about it. If it's not, you don't care about it. Funny how that works out. My KDR is 3 and I don't care even a little bit. Funny how that works out. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:51:00 - [49] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I don't care because as a new player using basic starter fits, I have no chance against proto so naturally my KDR is going to be bad for ages and there is nothing I can do about it.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9107	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:57:00 - [50] - Quote Also because the way "deaths" are tracked in this game is extremely meaningless. If anything you should care about enemies terminated:your termination ratio, since that actually determines how many clones you take away from the enemy supply relative to your own team's supply. Sadly neither terminated kills and terminated deaths are tracked. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2333	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:04:00 - [51] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Not all of us are tryhards. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4436	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:18:00 - [52] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Because logistics. And having fun, FFS... God forbid I enjoy myself! And CQC mass drivers and lolfits and suicide RE runs and jumping out of dropships into the middle of the enemy guns blazing because it's awesome *Plus, the size of my actual peen (apeen?) and hot wife make me not give two fcks about you neckbeards and/or other assorted virgins and your useless video game stats** Honestly, if you obsess about your "stats" in a video game to the point it makes you play a different way than what is most fun to you, then you are doing it wrong. HAHAHA!! I had to google "neckbeard" to figure out what that meant and the pictures accompanied with the definition did not disappoint. In reality though if you were to actually stand next to me I would make you feel very insecure with yourself. If you hadnt noticed, it takes an awful lot to make me feel insecure about myself, but sure. Summa Militum wrote: I would have to say I don't follow your logic. You seem to be saying that you can not have fun playing a game if you chose to at the same time care about how well you perform playing said game. No, what I am saying is I am going to play the way that is fun regardless of what any arbitrary "measurement" of my skill says. If having fun gives me great stats, all the better. If it doesn't, then I don't particularly care. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
o'o Damaged Beyond Repair 22	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:19:00 - [53] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Welll, because some people play to win instead of camping a rooftop with a RR. If I see a opportunity to hack, I'm going to go in for the hack. If I die three times, well shoot. I'll go in again. My kdr is still a solid 1.54 or so. It's not the best but at least I'm positive Taking out tanks and heavys, with a set of knives. <3
Aramis Madrigal Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 308	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:58:00 - [54] - Quote KDR is just one metric. Like any isolated metric, it's not very valuable if it is devoid of context. If you know the players primary role, play style, SP, standard fits used, etc. it is useful for comparison. It is a potentially useful ratio, nothing less and nothing more. -Aramis
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1177	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:59:00 - [55] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Down here in the dust, what's the point? KDR doesn't benefit you one way or the other. Not to mention guns that don't fire, hit boxes that barely meet the definition, terrain glitches, shield glitches, server lag, the Merc you got in a gun fight with was closer to the server (you think), latency, KB/M vs DS3 and that perfect streak you had going was stopped by getting dc'd from PSN (nobody's fault, router reset). Of course the best is when you all finally log in again and the game has completely changed again. Dust is for playing with friends for me. I don't have any other reason to log in. That and all the CoD and BF* kiddies are tiresome. You must not be very good at either Cod or BF. PS. I run into very few kids on BF. BF is more objective than you think. Ever heard of conquest? I have seen games where one team has all the kills but still loses to the other because they were not bothering to capture the letters. I have also seen games where the top dude has had a ****** kdr but still had the most points from captures, revives, resupplies and spots.
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 31	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:12:00 - [56] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. because some of the people with the highest KDR are horribly bad players in PC. this stat on dust never gives the whole story of a players skill. some people play real cautious in pubs never really getting close to the objectives killing without trying to win. some of the people at the top of the leader bord have no gun game and get spanked in PC every night.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 5	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:19:00 - [57] - Quote I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4822	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:26:00 - [58] - Quote Watching your KDR to judge your personal performance is a good thing, because you have the context to judge it by. Judging someone else by their KDR is a bad idea unless you know enough about their play style to put that into context. If you take actions which are detrimental, or at least not helpful, to your team in order to improve your KDR, then you care about your KDR too much. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Charlotte O'Dell Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 2494	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:45:00 - [59] - Quote Because during 1.7 or Chromosome, anyone could run a Madrugar with a blaster and have a 3.0 KDR with very little effort. It's not a very good stat at all. Plus, it's just a game. Some people measure success in ISK, some in KDR, some in WP... Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4437	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:52:00 - [60] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Because during 1.7 or Chromosome, anyone could run a Madrugar with a blaster and have a 3.0 KDR with very little effort. It's not a very good stat at all. Plus, it's just a game. Some people measure success in ISK, some in KDR, some in WP... Wow, people really are coming back from the dead around here. Pretty cool. (3.0 is also lowballing it quite a bit? Maybe for a 1.7 MLT tank, for a maddie I'd think you could double that for a pilot that wasn't totally clueless) (The godfather of tactical logistics)

Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10123	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:54:00 - [61] - Quote I don't mind my kdr good down because I was stupid enough to get killed repeatedly. However, I do mind my kdr going down because some revive farmer is trying to exploit my downed body. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4437	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:59:00 - [62] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6455	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:25:00 - [63] - Quote Honestly it depends on the person, I check...er let's just say not often at all, hey you said why we don't care much. Anyway I check sometimes to see the stat around 2.0-2.25, it has refused to go anywhere for damn near two years. My gear? I've combat rifles, snipers, SMG, HMG, heavy to use it, assault suit, nades,'easy kill' gear. The gear I use (mostly) though: Advanced Minmatar scouts with mass driver and nova knives, biotech or ewar in the low slots, a bit of tank in the high. Why use the weakest suit in the game, with situational bonuses to boot? I could easily run nothing but proto, sniper my butt off. I like it. I like stabbing hackers, I like supporting with the MD, I like the feeling when I beat a rifle user or heavy with my EXO-5, I like setting RE traps round corners, I love nova knife duals with scouts, I like hacking a letter in 2.5 seconds, I like using active scanners for my squad. I like it, so I do it, I know how good I am and in what situation. Number don't really matter. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 6	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:42:00 - [64] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) I never used the nanite injector so I was unaware that they didn't continuously get points with it. If they don't get continuous points with it then I must assess that there are a lot of assholes in this game. Why death-trap your teammate with the nanite injector if you don't even benefit from it? The ability to acquire War Points might be a crappy reason to screw over your teammate but at least it is some form of reason.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 6	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:54:00 - [65] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Honestly it depends on the person, I check...er let's just say not often at all, hey you said why we don't care much. Anyway I check sometimes to see the stat around 2.0-2.25, it has refused to go anywhere for damn near two years. My gear? I've combat rifles, snipers, SMG, HMG, heavy to use it, assault suit, nades,'easy kill' gear. The gear I use (mostly) though: Advanced Minmatar scouts with mass driver and nova knives, biotech or ewar in the low slots, a bit of tank in the high. Why use the weakest suit in the game, with situational bonuses to boot? I could easily run nothing but proto, sniper my butt off. I like it. I like stabbing hackers, I like supporting with the MD, I like the feeling when I beat a rifle user or heavy with my EXO-5, I like setting RE traps round corners, I love nova knife duals with scouts, I like hacking a letter in 2.5 seconds, I like using active scanners for my squad. I like it, so I do it, I know how good I am and in what situation. Number don't really matter. I can see someones KDR not really mattering to them if they are actually running multiple styles of dropsuits and whatnot. If you spend a month sniping, a month with the HMG, and then a month with an AR your overall KDR will not really help you much in determining how well you do with any particular class. I pretty much only use one style of class. I use the Gallente Assault Dropsuit with the Breach Assault Rifle (advanced and prototype versions) and I charge at and shoot at everything that moves.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4439	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:24:00 - [66] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) I never used the nanite injector so I was unaware that they didn't continuously get points with it. If they don't get continuous points with it then I must assess that there are a lot of assholes in this game. Why death-trap your teammate with the nanite injector if you don't even benefit from it? The ability to acquire War Points might be a crappy reason to screw over your teammate but at least it is some form of reason. Don't try to get into the heads of griefer a-holes. You might never come out. Anyway, now that you are being more thoughtful, I'll give a less trolololol answer to your first quoted post above. It's less that "caring" about your KDR is bad. I mean, it would be nice if mine was higher but it's not something I'm going to change my playstyle to accomplish. Nor do I want to be a liability to my team, my KDR is not quite 1 but that's because when I logi I usually go 3/4, 5/6, something like that. The real issue is when that's all you care about. Those people, the ones who roofcamp with RR sentinels, or hangs back behind cover and let everyone else do the dangerous stuff like hacking or breaking through chokepoints, or even farmed kills with the old 1.7 blaster tanks and then ran for the redline the second someone pulls out some AV... or whine about the 5% of the time a competent logi revives them and they get killed quickly when the other 95% wins battles and saves them ISK. F*ck those guys. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Ace Boone 332	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:36:00 - [67] - Quote I get paid either way. Winning isn't necessary unless in PC. Only loyal to the republic.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 7	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:48:00 - [68] - Quote I believe another reason I care about my KDR is because of the cost of my dropsuit fittings relative to how much ISK you can earn in a match. I worked hard to get the Prototype Dropsuit but it costs so much that if I were to die anymore than 2 times in a match that I win I end up with a negative balance in terms of my ISK spent versus my ISK earned. If it is a match that I lose I will go negative if I die more than once and it some cases I go negative if I die at all. Lucky for me they seemed to have dropped the price on some of my equipment so the price of my fittings isn't as ridiculous. I believe the CreDron Breach Assault Rifle dropped in price by about 30,000 ISK. My main Prototype class used to cost me about 180,000 ISK and now it only costs me just under 140,000.
Riruodo Templar Investigative Commission 447	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:51:00 - [69] - Quote it's because we've spent a lifetime being taught morally, spiritually, and socially that living good, dying bad. Personally, I don't care as long as I feel I still contributed to my team, but that being said, if I had the choice of dying less then I'll take it because it just feels better. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 8	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:53:00 - [70] - Quote Summa, this is a great topic and I thank you for starting it. You asked for individual players to present their individual reasons for not caring about KDR so that you could survey the results and draw a conclusion about the population rather than seeking a bunch of GÇ£expertGÇ¥ opinions. I like your scientific approach. Here is my data point: I enjoy helping others to succeed more than I like the limelight. IGÇÖm just built that way. So I donGÇÖt practice my gun skills, I practice my preparation and responsiveness. I practice my positioning and placement. I sometimes get a ?perverse? sense of satisfaction from sacrificing so that a squad mate can achieve their goal. I do logistics. I seldom pull out my weapon because my squad-mates' goals are usually more directly advanced when THEY kill than when I kill. Also they're carrying the better fits for killing so from a team standpoint, it is more efficient for them to do it usually. My signature pretty much sums up what I get out of Dust. For me, when I play, it is not a First Person Shooter, it is a First Person Support game. If ammo was practically unlimited and everyone had rapid built-in armor repair, I might practice my gun skills more, but more than likely I would just find another game to play where i could help others improve THEIR KDR. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5799	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:53:00 - [71] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I DONT CARE about K-D ratio. If i die in a firefight or because i was a noob , etc... I do care i i keep getting revived in front of a heavy 3+ times in a row... Different situations. On one hand, i deserve my death. On the other , i dont. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1312	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:10:00 - [72] - Quote if someone is going 40 kills it doesn't matter that they're not hacking points neither are the ppl they are killing because they are dead.. so to say it's worthless for someone to slay is not true, you can't know the outcome of the battle if someone hadn't been sniping or whatever.. instead of division try to understand the other players point of view, so what he only went 8/0 in an ADS.. he might have killed something that was a key to W/L of that match, like a HAV that was unable to kill you because it was under attack by the guy you feel didn't meet your thresh hold of acceptable on the scoreboard. he might have saved you, the hacker/hero of the match, by killing something that would have killed you had he not killed it and by being dead you could not have got that key hack that won the match. ppl play how they want in pub matches, those bothered by it should organize and network with other ppl of their playstyle instead of expecting anything from blue berries which occasionally you get on a random team that's worth a crap. but in the end a blueberry owes nothing to anyone else. if i'm blue to you i don't owe you LAV transport or back up, your just a bullet sponge i'm shadowing to take down the shields of any reds we meet. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 632	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:29:00 - [73] - Quote Because the ratio of kills to deaths is the least worthwhile stat, there are better ways to measure yourself and your time spent in the game... Most of which aren't actually kept as stats. - Times you've won a damn close match because of some last minute bit of great teamwork. - Times you've had a good fight against a decent opponent. - Times you've downed an enemy with a severe disadvantage, low hp vs high hp, no ammo left having to melee them to death... - Times you've shot a scout sneaking up on your teammate. - Times you've flown a dropship between a teammate and the guy who's tearing him apart in the open, to airlift to safety. - Times the game has made you laugh, be it a funny glitch or just someone doing something incredibly stupid. - The amount of fun you have doing what you do... There's a lot of more important stats out there... But I'm lazy.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1560	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:01:00 - [74] - Quote The scary stat in dust/eve is isk efficiency in terms of isk killed vs isk lost. In eve KDR is a component of what makes people scary, but because eve isn't an 'objective' based game and dust is... W/L ratio, Isk efficiency ratio, Kdr and wp/spawn should be combined to make something called a 'Terror Rating" - roughly how scary a person or group is to encounter. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 51	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:36:00 - [75] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I typically play as a Min Logi and I usually Rep heavies rather than try to be a slayer. I'm the first to die. My war points tell me I'm doing something. If I tank than yes I prefer to kill more mercs than I die however all stats are lumped together. That is why I don't care. There is also consideration that people may think "oh my! This number is representative of my skill and it's low!". Just have fun with it. Its only a game.
The Robot Devil Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2593	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:42:00 - [76] - Quote KDR is meh. Being useful is much more satisfying. I enjoy being told that I saved some guy a bunch of ISK by repping him up or reviving them. Also, I used to run squads while being a logi and I had a KDR of around two from just doing orbitals, I stopped doing orbitals and went to just pure logi and my KDR fell to like .7 or .6 but I still stayed in the top 6 usually. Like someone else said, the real key is having fun with people you like. Most of these numbers don't reflect the value of the player. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Meknow Intaki 287	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:45:00 - [77] - Quote After a few years of playing I just want to win the match, it dosent matter how many time I have to die to acheve that goal =ƒæì
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2028	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:48:00 - [78] - Quote Sure, I'd like my KDR to be higher. Who wouldn't? That said, if you'd like to judge me by my KDR, please be my guest. I'd much rather be underestimated, and I prefer to win matches -- so if given the choice between dying a lot and winning, I'd take winning every time.
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:02:00 - [79] - Quote who really cares what there KDR in pubs is and who even really trys in pub matchs. PC staying alive and killing and helping the team win is what matters to most people. pub matchs are a place for us to just f*ck around. last thing you want is all of us going hardcore proto stomping new players its just bad for the game so we try to take it easy.
Xatha De'Agelle Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 6	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:12:00 - [80] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: hold that wrote: Some people use the excuse of not running proto. Yeah "my kdr might suck but at least I don't run proto in pubs!" 90% of these types are big time scrubs. On the other side though, logis I literally never run Proto. I don't even have it anymore. You clearly do run proto, but yet my KD/R is literally more than two times higher than your pathetic 1.10... 2.24 What's your "excuse"? Are your multiple personalities and super ego arguing?

Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1132	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:18:00 - [81] - Quote idk i have a solid kdr and a solid win loss ratio. 1.96 for kills and 2.3 for wins. as long as its above a 1 your doing it right because you come out ahead more often than the other guy which is always good. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 325	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:18:00 - [82] - Quote I don't care about my ratio because it doesn't help me one bit in being a logistics. In fact, a good logistics could give a rat's arse, so long as the team is given it's due support. If I even get a kill it's just icing on a war point cake. I'm happier when I see the war points roll over my screen from successful hacks or spawns or triage or guardian or even resupply. It's like digital gold. You can keep your kill counts. At the end, I'll probably be in the top 5 on the team with more deaths than a random blueberry, and I'll like it!
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 956	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:59:00 - [83] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Oh my God this post.... seriously this post. KDR only matters in real life.... that is all.
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 667	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:03:00 - [84] - Quote I like my stats because they show that im doing the right thing i have always played on this char and i have a 5.3 kdr with 14.5 mil wps and 171k kills 33k deaths. I just think thats pretty beast lol SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 956	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:05:00 - [85] - Quote actually that was a little harsh Let me explain why perhaps i lambaste KDR as utterly pointless. Its a metric that is used to create a pecking order in a non reality based league, aka Dust 514 and your proficiency of it. It really is a meaningless number that is only given credence by other overly obsessed dust players. Let me use a similar scenario here - down the pub when your a young lad, the metric used to define the social group is 'how many woman have you slept with?' that is a crass but purely similar scenario that men in their social groups use to denote who is the alpha, and who isn't. KDR used to be something that was bandied about to show who is good at the game and therefore worthy of listening to, with so many means to artificially boost it, it became a pointless number really only obsessed over by other obsessives. Any human being has to rank their own worth, this is always going to be a case, be it a game with a kill death ratio, a group of mates down the pub bragging over who is more of a man, all the way through life to who has the bigger, nicer car or house in your peer group. Frankly its just bragging rights and to the educated few - is also easily mocked, observed and sidelined. Be afraid of those dudes who don't seem to 'play the game' at all. the quiet ones who don't compete but are so utterly sure of their own self worth, those are the ones you need to be careful of. Just sayin bro, jus sayin.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4566	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:15:00 - [86] - Quote saxonmish wrote: I like my stats because they show that im doing the right thing i have always played on this char and i have a 5.3 kdr with 14.5 mil wps and 171k kills 33k deaths. I just think thats pretty beast lol Saxon, you are a proficient player, I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. K/Dr is not a great judge of someone's skill in Dust though. There are hundreds of snipers who have 5.0+ K/Dr's because they earn 5 - 10 kills per match and maybe die once. Logistics players typically have K/Dr's well below 5.0 but they are invaluable to winning matches. I can't count how many times I have made kills thanks to a a logi's scans or rep tool. I know a scout who hacks unattended objectives/CRUs then runs away when the reds show up. This fast hacking/harasser role doesn't give him a high K/Dr at all, but he is very useful to have in a squad. By K/Dr logic, the sniper is a AAA diamond-tier MLG player and the logi is ****. We both know neither of those statements is true. Actual player skill is a weighted formula of K/Dr, W/L, lifetime warpoints/ seconds in game, and a slew of other figures we can't view. My advice to you, playa...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4562	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:23:00 - [87] - Quote KDR by itself and wanting it to be high isn't the problem by itself. You like having a high kdr? Great. The problem is that many seek to preserve their KDR at the expense of the team. You see this in pubs and facwar a lot. The people who opt for the most easy and risk free ways to harvest kills from the word go. Buncha nyain san nerds saying they like their kdr? Not a huge deal. The bastards use scary efficient teamwork and abuse the meta like champs. It's not bad, it's just unpleasant to be on the receiving end. But the people who chestbeat about KDR KDR KDR on the forums tend to fall under the category of the KDR chasing asshats you hear about people hating on. They have usually been caught being cheeseasses and padding so there is very little respect to be had. The people for whom kdr matters and are tolerable to deal with are the ones who don't strut around like you should be basking in awe. They just kick your ass in a match and move along. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 27	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:23:00 - [88] - Quote If you played PC. You wouldn't carry about your KDR. Getting 0 ISK for losing hurts and adds up quickly. Winning is all that matters. KDR is one dimensional thinking. A 10 KDR isn't hard in this game. The game is full of exploits. Duna has a 43 KDR, does that make him the best player in the game?
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2344	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:26:00 - [89] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. We're not all tryhards. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1586	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:27:00 - [90] - Quote honestly, you can make a new character, set him up for sniping, play super safe and have one of the best KDRs ever. I did this several times in closed beta when some people started to brag about their KDR to shut them, it is not hard at all. is it be the most enjoyable experience and most effective way to win? no way.

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1313	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:28:00 - [91] - Quote because if you can't get a good the next best thing to do is to rant about the people who have one and be very vocal about it not mattering.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 174	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:37:00 - [92] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I cared about my KDR before it got to 1. As soon as I was over that bump I cared a whole lot less. It wasn't how I appeared to anyone else that bothered me. I just wanted to know I was, on average, not a negative merc. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 9	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:43:00 - [93] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. We're not all tryhards. Do you know how ***** pathetic you sound when you call someone a tryhard because they actually make an attempt to do well at something? Tryhard is an insult created by a bunch of *** losers who will never accomplish ** in life. It reminds me of when I was a kid and after winning against someone at whatever they would immediately follow the loss up with "it doesn't matter. I wasn't even trying."
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4571	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:45:00 - [94] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Summa Militum wrote: If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I cared about my KDR before it got to 1. As soon as I was over that bump I cared a whole lot less. It wasn't how I appeared to anyone else that bothered me. I just wanted to know I was, on average, not a negative merc. I just take comfort in I kill about as many fullly kitted dropships and HAVs as I lose Sentinel Ck.0 AV fits. Guess which one costs more? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
PO0KY Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1237	Posted - 2014.11.06 17:34:00 - [95] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Oh my God this post.... seriously this post. KDR only matters in real life.... that is all. Shouldn't your KDR in real life be 0? I'm so helpful.
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 671	Posted - 2014.11.06 17:38:00 - [96] - Quote Sometimes having a good KDR is awesome but usually it's worthless. A Sniper and a Tanker are gonna have "great" KDR compared to a Logi or a Scout.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1976	Posted - 2014.11.06 17:45:00 - [97] - Quote I've never cared about my KDR in most games but in Dust my apathy towards it reaches epic levels. Why? Because we're immortal in this game. We just jump into another clone and continue the fight. As Fox said earlier, use it as a yardstick if you want to judge how good you are yourself but judging others by it is a futile act because of the myriad of different play styles in this game. Login row tend to have huge WP but awful KDR because they're always putting themselves in harms way to win the game. I'll always go for the Player with the highest WP to join my team over a high KDR player. The real stat that our peers should be able to judge us by is ISK effiency. How much in ISK have I destroyed compared to how much I've spent? Right now I'm messing around in a Quafe Gal Assault costing 20k in gear and I'm tearing up proto heavies with that bad boy (I have max skills in all the equipment I use) but my KDR doesn't reflect that I'm doing that because I'm frontline. For the record the last I checked my KDR IT was 1.26 or something. I'm pushing very hard for an ISK effiecy stat to be included in either your character stats or the end of a match next to your WP. Imagine if you had 2k of WP and everyone in the match could see that you destroyed 2.75 times the ISK you spent doing it. That would be the sign of a good player. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 61	Posted - 2014.11.06 17:48:00 - [98] - Quote I don't care because either way I always get killed by a fuckin' Scout! Python pilot PSN: Riptalis
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 175	Posted - 2014.11.06 17:55:00 - [99] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: I'm pushing very hard for an ISK effiecy stat to be included in either your character stats or the end of a match next to your WP. Imagine if you had 2k of WP and everyone in the match could see that you destroyed 2.75 times the ISK you spent doing it. That would be the sign of a good player. great idea. the more stats the better - especially relevant ones. one of the many great things about this game are the various ways you can use stats to gloat to your mates. I killed more than you. yeah well I died less. yeah well I got more wp. pah look at my sp. yeah but you got virtually no isk. ah but check out my isk efficiency how are you going to beat that! etc etc... GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 9	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:17:00 - [100] - Quote I think it would be cool if we could view KDRs relative to the weapon used and dropsuit used. At the end of a match if you see someone with a slightly higher KDR than you but they were sniping with a prototype dropsuit while you were leading the charge into battle with an advanced suit and a combat rifle there would be no need to compare those KDRs due to the difference in battle experience.

Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 9	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:20:00 - [101] - Quote I like this ISK efficiency idea.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1977	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:40:00 - [102] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I like this ISK efficiency idea. I've been saying it for 2 years now..... CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 264	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:45:00 - [103] - Quote I play Logi mostly, so I am in no great position to seriously go for high kills. So I can't care soo much for KDR, because only hunting for Kills is a waste of good Logi-Time. Another point is that I dont farm SP or spend much on Aurum, thats why I cant max out multiple fittings and explore what the best slayer stuff is atm. Yet another point is that I cant put in the time and training to get seriously good at "do nothing but headshots", that all the crazy slayers out there seem to do all the time. I mean, like killing my (not maxed) heavy suit in about 0.2 seconds, and everything else in less. HOLY ****! So I plan not to aim for the same level of tryhardness like the serious madmen go for. On the other hand, I rage pretty badly if my KDR is below 1 in any given match. So I really do care for some sort of equilibrium. I am happy with my KDR being slightly above 1 and I had a good match WP wise. KDR of 10 or 15 or so happens sometimes, but only against the most noobish of noob teams. But that feels pretty good too. I can understand all the pub-stomping thats going on. But these guys just dont want a real competition, or rise to a challenge. They just want to have that little number as high as possible. I think the absurditiy of this ambition is what made KDR-pride an object of ridicule, and rightly so. Because I saw how my friends (I initially wanted to play Dust with) got driven away from Dust by these pubstompers. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo


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