DUST Search - Why do some people care so little about their KDR?

John Demonsbane wrote:

Summa Militum wrote:

I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis.

I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill.

Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish.

(BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.)


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Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:30:00 - [1] - Quote After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:44:00 - [2] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Every match of this game you play your objective is to win the match and rank high on the leaderboard. How is that not a real competitive scene? Also, you seem to be confusing someone caring about their KDR so that it can be used to make an assessment about something with someone caring about their KDR so they can brag about it to people. If you view and use the KDR with its intended purpose of being measured you wouldn't manipulate it.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:04:00 - [3] - Quote Some of you people have some decent responses but some of you people seem to be extremely simple-minded and possibly suffer from self-esteem issues.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:20:00 - [4] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Because logistics. And having fun, FFS... God forbid I enjoy myself! And CQC mass drivers and lolfits and suicide RE runs and jumping out of dropships into the middle of the enemy guns blazing because it's awesome *Plus, the size of my actual peen (apeen?) and hot wife make me not give two fcks about you neckbeards and/or other assorted virgins and your useless video game stats** Honestly, if you obsess about your "stats" in a video game to the point it makes you play a different way than what is most fun to you, then you are doing it wrong. HAHAHA!! I had to google "neckbeard" to figure out what that meant and the pictures accompanied with the definition did not disappoint. In reality though if you were to actually stand next to me I would make you feel very insecure with yourself. I would have to say I don't follow your logic. You seem to be saying that you can not have fun playing a game if you chose to at the same time care about how well you perform playing said game.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:31:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Summa Militum wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Every match of this game you play your objective is to win the match and rank high on the leaderboard. How is that not a real competitive scene? Also, you seem to be confusing someone caring about their KDR so that it can be used to make an assessment about something with someone caring about their KDR so they can brag about it to people. If you view and use the KDR with its intended purpose of being measured you wouldn't manipulate it. Because KDR doesn't carry you to the top of the killboard. Warpoints do. If I get 4 kills 6 deaths but crank out 2800 warpoints trashing turrets, tanks and dropships I will be higher on the killboard than someone with 30 kills and 1500 warpoints. Ergo there is no bearing that KDR has on the game. When talking about the KDR of a specific match it is important to understand that a crappy KDR with a lot of War Points can carry you to the top of the leader-board of the losing team.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 5	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:19:00 - [6] - Quote I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 6	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:42:00 - [7] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) I never used the nanite injector so I was unaware that they didn't continuously get points with it. If they don't get continuous points with it then I must assess that there are a lot of assholes in this game. Why death-trap your teammate with the nanite injector if you don't even benefit from it? The ability to acquire War Points might be a crappy reason to screw over your teammate but at least it is some form of reason.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 6	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:54:00 - [8] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Honestly it depends on the person, I check...er let's just say not often at all, hey you said why we don't care much. Anyway I check sometimes to see the stat around 2.0-2.25, it has refused to go anywhere for damn near two years. My gear? I've combat rifles, snipers, SMG, HMG, heavy to use it, assault suit, nades,'easy kill' gear. The gear I use (mostly) though: Advanced Minmatar scouts with mass driver and nova knives, biotech or ewar in the low slots, a bit of tank in the high. Why use the weakest suit in the game, with situational bonuses to boot? I could easily run nothing but proto, sniper my butt off. I like it. I like stabbing hackers, I like supporting with the MD, I like the feeling when I beat a rifle user or heavy with my EXO-5, I like setting RE traps round corners, I love nova knife duals with scouts, I like hacking a letter in 2.5 seconds, I like using active scanners for my squad. I like it, so I do it, I know how good I am and in what situation. Number don't really matter. I can see someones KDR not really mattering to them if they are actually running multiple styles of dropsuits and whatnot. If you spend a month sniping, a month with the HMG, and then a month with an AR your overall KDR will not really help you much in determining how well you do with any particular class. I pretty much only use one style of class. I use the Gallente Assault Dropsuit with the Breach Assault Rifle (advanced and prototype versions) and I charge at and shoot at everything that moves.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 7	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:48:00 - [9] - Quote I believe another reason I care about my KDR is because of the cost of my dropsuit fittings relative to how much ISK you can earn in a match. I worked hard to get the Prototype Dropsuit but it costs so much that if I were to die anymore than 2 times in a match that I win I end up with a negative balance in terms of my ISK spent versus my ISK earned. If it is a match that I lose I will go negative if I die more than once and it some cases I go negative if I die at all. Lucky for me they seemed to have dropped the price on some of my equipment so the price of my fittings isn't as ridiculous. I believe the CreDron Breach Assault Rifle dropped in price by about 30,000 ISK. My main Prototype class used to cost me about 180,000 ISK and now it only costs me just under 140,000.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 9	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. We're not all tryhards. Do you know how ***** pathetic you sound when you call someone a tryhard because they actually make an attempt to do well at something? Tryhard is an insult created by a bunch of *** losers who will never accomplish ** in life. It reminds me of when I was a kid and after winning against someone at whatever they would immediately follow the loss up with "it doesn't matter. I wasn't even trying."

Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 9	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:17:00 - [11] - Quote I think it would be cool if we could view KDRs relative to the weapon used and dropsuit used. At the end of a match if you see someone with a slightly higher KDR than you but they were sniping with a prototype dropsuit while you were leading the charge into battle with an advanced suit and a combat rifle there would be no need to compare those KDRs due to the difference in battle experience.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 9	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:20:00 - [12] - Quote I like this ISK efficiency idea.