DUST Search - Why do some people care so little about their KDR?

Summa Militum wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Summa Militum wrote:

I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis.

I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill.

Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish.

(BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.)

I never used the nanite injector so I was unaware that they didn't continuously get points with it. If they don't get continuous points with it then I must assess that there are a lot of assholes in this game. Why death-trap your teammate with the nanite injector if you don't even benefit from it? The ability to acquire War Points might be a crappy reason to screw over your teammate but at least it is some form of reason.

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Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10123	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:54:00 - [61] - Quote I don't mind my kdr good down because I was stupid enough to get killed repeatedly. However, I do mind my kdr going down because some revive farmer is trying to exploit my downed body. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4437	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:59:00 - [62] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6455	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:25:00 - [63] - Quote Honestly it depends on the person, I check...er let's just say not often at all, hey you said why we don't care much. Anyway I check sometimes to see the stat around 2.0-2.25, it has refused to go anywhere for damn near two years. My gear? I've combat rifles, snipers, SMG, HMG, heavy to use it, assault suit, nades,'easy kill' gear. The gear I use (mostly) though: Advanced Minmatar scouts with mass driver and nova knives, biotech or ewar in the low slots, a bit of tank in the high. Why use the weakest suit in the game, with situational bonuses to boot? I could easily run nothing but proto, sniper my butt off. I like it. I like stabbing hackers, I like supporting with the MD, I like the feeling when I beat a rifle user or heavy with my EXO-5, I like setting RE traps round corners, I love nova knife duals with scouts, I like hacking a letter in 2.5 seconds, I like using active scanners for my squad. I like it, so I do it, I know how good I am and in what situation. Number don't really matter. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 6	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:42:00 - [64] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) I never used the nanite injector so I was unaware that they didn't continuously get points with it. If they don't get continuous points with it then I must assess that there are a lot of assholes in this game. Why death-trap your teammate with the nanite injector if you don't even benefit from it? The ability to acquire War Points might be a crappy reason to screw over your teammate but at least it is some form of reason.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 6	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:54:00 - [65] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Honestly it depends on the person, I check...er let's just say not often at all, hey you said why we don't care much. Anyway I check sometimes to see the stat around 2.0-2.25, it has refused to go anywhere for damn near two years. My gear? I've combat rifles, snipers, SMG, HMG, heavy to use it, assault suit, nades,'easy kill' gear. The gear I use (mostly) though: Advanced Minmatar scouts with mass driver and nova knives, biotech or ewar in the low slots, a bit of tank in the high. Why use the weakest suit in the game, with situational bonuses to boot? I could easily run nothing but proto, sniper my butt off. I like it. I like stabbing hackers, I like supporting with the MD, I like the feeling when I beat a rifle user or heavy with my EXO-5, I like setting RE traps round corners, I love nova knife duals with scouts, I like hacking a letter in 2.5 seconds, I like using active scanners for my squad. I like it, so I do it, I know how good I am and in what situation. Number don't really matter. I can see someones KDR not really mattering to them if they are actually running multiple styles of dropsuits and whatnot. If you spend a month sniping, a month with the HMG, and then a month with an AR your overall KDR will not really help you much in determining how well you do with any particular class. I pretty much only use one style of class. I use the Gallente Assault Dropsuit with the Breach Assault Rifle (advanced and prototype versions) and I charge at and shoot at everything that moves.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4439	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:24:00 - [66] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I have made an assessment of the mindset of a good portion of the people who play this game based on the responses I just read and I have assessed that this game is played by a lot of pathetic losers who fail so miserably in life to accomplish something on an individual level that they are forced to grasp at the accomplishments of others. Some of you people for some reason feel better about yourself if you lose as a team as opposed to accepting your loss on an individual basis. I don't understand how some of you people can think that a person caring about their KDR is counterproductive to the 15 other people on the team and their goal to win. It's like you are saying that if you care about your KDR you are now forced to ensure that no one on your team loses because if they do it is going to be your fault and wont have anything to do with that persons lack of skill. Some of you people are saying that caring about your KDR is a selfish move in a team oriented game yet the only reason I even questioned this was because of the complaints I read from people who are no longer allowed to spawn trap their teammates with the nanite injectors. Reading those complaints got me wondering what type of person would think that caring about your KDR is selfish but spawn trapping your own teammates for the sake of acquiring War Points wouldn't be selfish. (BTW, the kill/revive thing with needles is griefing, not WP farming. You don't get points for every revive.) I never used the nanite injector so I was unaware that they didn't continuously get points with it. If they don't get continuous points with it then I must assess that there are a lot of assholes in this game. Why death-trap your teammate with the nanite injector if you don't even benefit from it? The ability to acquire War Points might be a crappy reason to screw over your teammate but at least it is some form of reason. Don't try to get into the heads of griefer a-holes. You might never come out. Anyway, now that you are being more thoughtful, I'll give a less trolololol answer to your first quoted post above. It's less that "caring" about your KDR is bad. I mean, it would be nice if mine was higher but it's not something I'm going to change my playstyle to accomplish. Nor do I want to be a liability to my team, my KDR is not quite 1 but that's because when I logi I usually go 3/4, 5/6, something like that. The real issue is when that's all you care about. Those people, the ones who roofcamp with RR sentinels, or hangs back behind cover and let everyone else do the dangerous stuff like hacking or breaking through chokepoints, or even farmed kills with the old 1.7 blaster tanks and then ran for the redline the second someone pulls out some AV... or whine about the 5% of the time a competent logi revives them and they get killed quickly when the other 95% wins battles and saves them ISK. F*ck those guys. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Ace Boone 332	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:36:00 - [67] - Quote I get paid either way. Winning isn't necessary unless in PC. Only loyal to the republic.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 7	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:48:00 - [68] - Quote I believe another reason I care about my KDR is because of the cost of my dropsuit fittings relative to how much ISK you can earn in a match. I worked hard to get the Prototype Dropsuit but it costs so much that if I were to die anymore than 2 times in a match that I win I end up with a negative balance in terms of my ISK spent versus my ISK earned. If it is a match that I lose I will go negative if I die more than once and it some cases I go negative if I die at all. Lucky for me they seemed to have dropped the price on some of my equipment so the price of my fittings isn't as ridiculous. I believe the CreDron Breach Assault Rifle dropped in price by about 30,000 ISK. My main Prototype class used to cost me about 180,000 ISK and now it only costs me just under 140,000.
Riruodo Templar Investigative Commission 447	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:51:00 - [69] - Quote it's because we've spent a lifetime being taught morally, spiritually, and socially that living good, dying bad. Personally, I don't care as long as I feel I still contributed to my team, but that being said, if I had the choice of dying less then I'll take it because it just feels better. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor. - Michael Fassbender for male market agent.
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 8	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:53:00 - [70] - Quote Summa, this is a great topic and I thank you for starting it. You asked for individual players to present their individual reasons for not caring about KDR so that you could survey the results and draw a conclusion about the population rather than seeking a bunch of GÇ£expertGÇ¥ opinions. I like your scientific approach. Here is my data point: I enjoy helping others to succeed more than I like the limelight. IGÇÖm just built that way. So I donGÇÖt practice my gun skills, I practice my preparation and responsiveness. I practice my positioning and placement. I sometimes get a ?perverse? sense of satisfaction from sacrificing so that a squad mate can achieve their goal. I do logistics. I seldom pull out my weapon because my squad-mates' goals are usually more directly advanced when THEY kill than when I kill. Also they're carrying the better fits for killing so from a team standpoint, it is more efficient for them to do it usually. My signature pretty much sums up what I get out of Dust. For me, when I play, it is not a First Person Shooter, it is a First Person Support game. If ammo was practically unlimited and everyone had rapid built-in armor repair, I might practice my gun skills more, but more than likely I would just find another game to play where i could help others improve THEIR KDR. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5799	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:53:00 - [71] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I DONT CARE about K-D ratio. If i die in a firefight or because i was a noob , etc... I do care i i keep getting revived in front of a heavy 3+ times in a row... Different situations. On one hand, i deserve my death. On the other , i dont. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1312	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:10:00 - [72] - Quote if someone is going 40 kills it doesn't matter that they're not hacking points neither are the ppl they are killing because they are dead.. so to say it's worthless for someone to slay is not true, you can't know the outcome of the battle if someone hadn't been sniping or whatever.. instead of division try to understand the other players point of view, so what he only went 8/0 in an ADS.. he might have killed something that was a key to W/L of that match, like a HAV that was unable to kill you because it was under attack by the guy you feel didn't meet your thresh hold of acceptable on the scoreboard. he might have saved you, the hacker/hero of the match, by killing something that would have killed you had he not killed it and by being dead you could not have got that key hack that won the match. ppl play how they want in pub matches, those bothered by it should organize and network with other ppl of their playstyle instead of expecting anything from blue berries which occasionally you get on a random team that's worth a crap. but in the end a blueberry owes nothing to anyone else. if i'm blue to you i don't owe you LAV transport or back up, your just a bullet sponge i'm shadowing to take down the shields of any reds we meet. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 632	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:29:00 - [73] - Quote Because the ratio of kills to deaths is the least worthwhile stat, there are better ways to measure yourself and your time spent in the game... Most of which aren't actually kept as stats. - Times you've won a damn close match because of some last minute bit of great teamwork. - Times you've had a good fight against a decent opponent. - Times you've downed an enemy with a severe disadvantage, low hp vs high hp, no ammo left having to melee them to death... - Times you've shot a scout sneaking up on your teammate. - Times you've flown a dropship between a teammate and the guy who's tearing him apart in the open, to airlift to safety. - Times the game has made you laugh, be it a funny glitch or just someone doing something incredibly stupid. - The amount of fun you have doing what you do... There's a lot of more important stats out there... But I'm lazy.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1560	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:01:00 - [74] - Quote The scary stat in dust/eve is isk efficiency in terms of isk killed vs isk lost. In eve KDR is a component of what makes people scary, but because eve isn't an 'objective' based game and dust is... W/L ratio, Isk efficiency ratio, Kdr and wp/spawn should be combined to make something called a 'Terror Rating" - roughly how scary a person or group is to encounter. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 51	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:36:00 - [75] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. I typically play as a Min Logi and I usually Rep heavies rather than try to be a slayer. I'm the first to die. My war points tell me I'm doing something. If I tank than yes I prefer to kill more mercs than I die however all stats are lumped together. That is why I don't care. There is also consideration that people may think "oh my! This number is representative of my skill and it's low!". Just have fun with it. Its only a game.
The Robot Devil Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2593	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:42:00 - [76] - Quote KDR is meh. Being useful is much more satisfying. I enjoy being told that I saved some guy a bunch of ISK by repping him up or reviving them. Also, I used to run squads while being a logi and I had a KDR of around two from just doing orbitals, I stopped doing orbitals and went to just pure logi and my KDR fell to like .7 or .6 but I still stayed in the top 6 usually. Like someone else said, the real key is having fun with people you like. Most of these numbers don't reflect the value of the player. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Meknow Intaki 287	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:45:00 - [77] - Quote After a few years of playing I just want to win the match, it dosent matter how many time I have to die to acheve that goal =ƒæì
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2028	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:48:00 - [78] - Quote Sure, I'd like my KDR to be higher. Who wouldn't? That said, if you'd like to judge me by my KDR, please be my guest. I'd much rather be underestimated, and I prefer to win matches -- so if given the choice between dying a lot and winning, I'd take winning every time.
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:02:00 - [79] - Quote who really cares what there KDR in pubs is and who even really trys in pub matchs. PC staying alive and killing and helping the team win is what matters to most people. pub matchs are a place for us to just f*ck around. last thing you want is all of us going hardcore proto stomping new players its just bad for the game so we try to take it easy.
Xatha De'Agelle Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 6	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:12:00 - [80] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: hold that wrote: Some people use the excuse of not running proto. Yeah "my kdr might suck but at least I don't run proto in pubs!" 90% of these types are big time scrubs. On the other side though, logis I literally never run Proto. I don't even have it anymore. You clearly do run proto, but yet my KD/R is literally more than two times higher than your pathetic 1.10... 2.24 What's your "excuse"? Are your multiple personalities and super ego arguing?

Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1132	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:18:00 - [81] - Quote idk i have a solid kdr and a solid win loss ratio. 1.96 for kills and 2.3 for wins. as long as its above a 1 your doing it right because you come out ahead more often than the other guy which is always good. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 325	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:18:00 - [82] - Quote I don't care about my ratio because it doesn't help me one bit in being a logistics. In fact, a good logistics could give a rat's arse, so long as the team is given it's due support. If I even get a kill it's just icing on a war point cake. I'm happier when I see the war points roll over my screen from successful hacks or spawns or triage or guardian or even resupply. It's like digital gold. You can keep your kill counts. At the end, I'll probably be in the top 5 on the team with more deaths than a random blueberry, and I'll like it!
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 956	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:59:00 - [83] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Oh my God this post.... seriously this post. KDR only matters in real life.... that is all.
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 667	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:03:00 - [84] - Quote I like my stats because they show that im doing the right thing i have always played on this char and i have a 5.3 kdr with 14.5 mil wps and 171k kills 33k deaths. I just think thats pretty beast lol SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 956	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:05:00 - [85] - Quote actually that was a little harsh Let me explain why perhaps i lambaste KDR as utterly pointless. Its a metric that is used to create a pecking order in a non reality based league, aka Dust 514 and your proficiency of it. It really is a meaningless number that is only given credence by other overly obsessed dust players. Let me use a similar scenario here - down the pub when your a young lad, the metric used to define the social group is 'how many woman have you slept with?' that is a crass but purely similar scenario that men in their social groups use to denote who is the alpha, and who isn't. KDR used to be something that was bandied about to show who is good at the game and therefore worthy of listening to, with so many means to artificially boost it, it became a pointless number really only obsessed over by other obsessives. Any human being has to rank their own worth, this is always going to be a case, be it a game with a kill death ratio, a group of mates down the pub bragging over who is more of a man, all the way through life to who has the bigger, nicer car or house in your peer group. Frankly its just bragging rights and to the educated few - is also easily mocked, observed and sidelined. Be afraid of those dudes who don't seem to 'play the game' at all. the quiet ones who don't compete but are so utterly sure of their own self worth, those are the ones you need to be careful of. Just sayin bro, jus sayin.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4566	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:15:00 - [86] - Quote saxonmish wrote: I like my stats because they show that im doing the right thing i have always played on this char and i have a 5.3 kdr with 14.5 mil wps and 171k kills 33k deaths. I just think thats pretty beast lol Saxon, you are a proficient player, I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. K/Dr is not a great judge of someone's skill in Dust though. There are hundreds of snipers who have 5.0+ K/Dr's because they earn 5 - 10 kills per match and maybe die once. Logistics players typically have K/Dr's well below 5.0 but they are invaluable to winning matches. I can't count how many times I have made kills thanks to a a logi's scans or rep tool. I know a scout who hacks unattended objectives/CRUs then runs away when the reds show up. This fast hacking/harasser role doesn't give him a high K/Dr at all, but he is very useful to have in a squad. By K/Dr logic, the sniper is a AAA diamond-tier MLG player and the logi is ****. We both know neither of those statements is true. Actual player skill is a weighted formula of K/Dr, W/L, lifetime warpoints/ seconds in game, and a slew of other figures we can't view. My advice to you, playa...
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4562	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:23:00 - [87] - Quote KDR by itself and wanting it to be high isn't the problem by itself. You like having a high kdr? Great. The problem is that many seek to preserve their KDR at the expense of the team. You see this in pubs and facwar a lot. The people who opt for the most easy and risk free ways to harvest kills from the word go. Buncha nyain san nerds saying they like their kdr? Not a huge deal. The bastards use scary efficient teamwork and abuse the meta like champs. It's not bad, it's just unpleasant to be on the receiving end. But the people who chestbeat about KDR KDR KDR on the forums tend to fall under the category of the KDR chasing asshats you hear about people hating on. They have usually been caught being cheeseasses and padding so there is very little respect to be had. The people for whom kdr matters and are tolerable to deal with are the ones who don't strut around like you should be basking in awe. They just kick your ass in a match and move along. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 27	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:23:00 - [88] - Quote If you played PC. You wouldn't carry about your KDR. Getting 0 ISK for losing hurts and adds up quickly. Winning is all that matters. KDR is one dimensional thinking. A 10 KDR isn't hard in this game. The game is full of exploits. Duna has a 43 KDR, does that make him the best player in the game?
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2344	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:26:00 - [89] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. We're not all tryhards. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1586	Posted - 2014.11.06 16:27:00 - [90] - Quote honestly, you can make a new character, set him up for sniping, play super safe and have one of the best KDRs ever. I did this several times in closed beta when some people started to brag about their KDR to shut them, it is not hard at all. is it be the most enjoyable experience and most effective way to win? no way.



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