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Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:30:00 - [1] - Quote After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4380	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:33:00 - [2] - Quote I don't need a second gpa to worry about (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14833	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:34:00 - [3] - Quote It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 344	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:35:00 - [4] - Quote Some people use the excuse of not running proto. Yeah "my kdr might suck but at least I don't run proto in pubs!" 90% of these types are big time scrubs. On the other side though, logis
Protocake JR USA Caucasians 1535	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:36:00 - [5] - Quote If your KDR is decent, you care about it. If it's not, you don't care about it. Funny how that works out.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5480	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:37:00 - [6] - Quote Because unless you run Ambush exclusively, there is more to winning than killing and being killed. I have sacrifice clones to hack points, allowing my teammates to make the kills defending the objectives and turning the tide of the game. Logis enable Heavies to deal much death, and defend a point longer against a number of enemies that they would otherwise not be able to handle, also making a huge contribution that doesn't show up on KDR. One of the greatest things about Dust is that there is more strategy than to kill or be killed. And in many game modes, sometimes those are even more important. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4332	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:37:00 - [7] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I don't need a second gpa to worry about I don't even worry about the first one. Hurray for having responsible friends and easy teachers!
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 1099	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:39:00 - [8] - Quote I don't really care about my kdr. I play aggressive and do dumb things but I still don't like dying. And I HATE when some idiot wants to revive me infront of five reds just so he can get 60 points. Being able to choose if I want a revive or not should have been added a long time ago. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1017	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Because unless you run Ambush exclusively, there is more to winning than killing and being killed. I have sacrifice clones to hack points, allowing my teammates to make the kills defending the objectives and turning the tide of the game. Logis enable Heavies to deal much death, and defend a point longer against a number of enemies that they would otherwise not be able to handle, also making a huge contribution that doesn't show up on KDR. One of the greatest things about Dust is that there is more strategy than to kill or be killed. And in many game modes, sometimes those are even more important. Your KDR is worse than the hilltop charge sniper who killed 6 people and then hid by the redline supply depot for the rest of the match when someone shot back at him obviously you are worse at the game and less valuable to the team than him, only scrubs hack objectives
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 165	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [10] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Because KD/R does not equal to skill and this is basic knowledge. If a game is balanced the only thing that would allow you to determine how well you do is whether or not you died from major error. You would have to evaluate how you died for this, and how you killed a person and whether or not you have a method for fighting players and if it works or not, and so on. This game is not balanced and the only way you can get your KD/R up is by having an advantage over anyone and eveyone. Either by sniping or having max ewar, impractical skill bonuses like scout suit skills, or overpowered weaponry et cetera.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5482	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [11] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I don't really care about my kdr. I play aggressive and do dumb things but I still don't like dying. And I HATE when some idiot wants to revive me infront of five reds just so he can get 60 points. Being able to choose if I want a revive or not should have been added a long time ago. They can only do it when you ask now. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2248	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:41:00 - [12] - Quote Mostly because KDR is not a measure of how useful you are as part of a team. If it's something you really care about it's actually a measure of how selfish you are. If you have an awesome KDR but lose matches because you're faffing about instead of playing the objectives you're not a good player. You won't sacrifice yourself for the good of the team because you're too busy stroking your ahem stats, which lets down every other player on the team.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4382	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:42:00 - [13] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I don't need a second gpa to worry about I don't even worry about the first one. Hurray for having responsible friends and easy teachers! Yeah, honestly I don't either I just show up to class but I kinda have to since environmental science is what I want to pursue as a job. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 106	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:49:00 - [14] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I don't really care about my kdr. I play aggressive and do dumb things but I still don't like dying. And I HATE when some idiot wants to revive me infront of five reds just so he can get 60 points. Being able to choose if I want a revive or not should have been added a long time ago. No, we medics often try to help as best we can (with the regular scrub exception) in terms of saving clones, say I risk my proto suit fighting my way to you to revive you and you reject, I have risked a 75,000 suit that could've gone towards pushing an objective. If you do not want medics reviving you had the choice before 1.9, it was called "Suicide" it was a butten terminating your clone and then you would not be picked up. Also I now have problems running any suit in game now because if I die I will most likely have to lose that suit with I care for so much. (Related to 1.9 because a lot of medics ran off to assault) "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 203	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:55:00 - [15] - Quote Because unless you win by clone destruction it doesn't matter, and it is very often that squads will just farm players that don't know any better at spawn points over and over. If your talking about the actual records they are all bullshit also those losers with no life that just sat and red line sniped at the top of it. If they fixed those thing and reset the board I would care about it until then it just shows who is pathetic enough to exploit broken mechanics for two years. 21 day fast started 10/31 in respect to the discipline of Gahndi. Wizard Talk
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7372	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:57:00 - [16] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. W/L > KD/R I'd rather go negative and win every day than get an insane K/D and lose every game. P T F O Thankfully, I can PTFO and still pull off a great K/D. I just never worry about it. I'd gladly trade 2 or 3 deaths with no kills to keep people from taking a point. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2308	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:01:00 - [17] - Quote Honestly, everyone does care a little bit but I think the reason people say they 'dont care' is because there are those out there that look at KDR as some sort of infallible stat on how 'good' a player is. There are many many things that alter KDR drastically. Sniping, Tanking and abusing the meta are but a few. Realistically it is one small stat in a large number of others stats and while in competitive terms these stats DO matter - the only real metric worth a damn to ALL of us is how much fun are we getting out of a game. Also if you do not think that running proto 24/7 vs running lower end gear /isk grinding is not a factor then I believe you are misguided, personally. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 383	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:06:00 - [18] - Quote Ive personally seen Crazy Cat Lady win a match and not kill a damn thing. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 448	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:07:00 - [19] - Quote The objective. And not necessarily the obvious letter ones. It could be protecting the point. Ensuring an important target is eliminated. Clearing a station of hostiles. Tracking enemy progress. Transportation. The list goes on and on, and plenty don't have reliable positive impacts on KD/R. Plus the fun and thrill of beholding a miracle. In the form of 12 Sentinels going BOOM which usually gets myself killed in the process. Give the Magsex some love.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2352	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:08:00 - [20] - Quote Why do some people care so much about it? In truth, a lot of people don't care about their KDR in games like CoD or BF. It is just that you don't really become super vocal about things you don't care about. "When it comes to the current Administration, I just can't make a solid opinion!" will never, ever be yelled over a megaphone. When it comes to DUST, KD/R is a less useful stat to be super stoked about. Sure, your KD/R might be 43.2 but if that just means that in 100 games you will kill 43 people and die once or twice during that time frame are you as useful in helping your team win as the person that is 0.93 and hacks points? Furthermore, there are SO many ways to pad that KD/R like a fourth grader's bra. Redline Snipers, Tankers, and good ADS pilots die far less often than most other roles. An ADS Pilot might only die every other match and kill maybe 7 people a match which makes for an oh-so sexy 14 KDR. It wasn't that they were some kind of unstoppable killing machine; they just rarely die. I was really happy when it hit above 1.5 because it meant I was getting better. That is when it meant a lot to me because I could see that I was starting to be less terrible at the game. I started in the sub .7's and got it up to 1.5 s I could see I was getting better. Now, it fluctuates between 3.88 and 3.92; it is just a number that doesn't mean too much to me. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1211	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:08:00 - [21] - Quote Because if you care about your KDR when you are defending/taking a point, and the enemy doesn't, they are going to take the point. EWAR tool
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2104	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:13:00 - [22] - Quote Here's a situation. I kill you 5 times, you kill me 10. I'm wearing a starter suit, you're wearing proto. Your KDR is 2.0, mine is 0.5. And I'm the better player. Because you lost about 650k isk worth of assets, and I lost 0. I destroyed more isk than you did. No matter if I die 20 or 50 times over, I still killed more of your money than you killed of mine. That's why it doesn't matter. a 5.0 KDR in proto gear against militia suits is not that impressive. Killing millions in assets while losing none yourself... that's a real merc. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 368	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:14:00 - [23] - Quote i value my win/loss record over my kdr. I rather have tons of wins to my name than to have a high kdr with no wins. Dust is a game to which your combat effectiveness is not measured by your kills but by war-points. 07 to my logi brothers. I just want to win...Of course winning means either taking and holding the objective....or wiping the enemy team out. Clones are valuable....you kdr is not. I laugh when i see that guy with high amount of kills but his team losses anyway....basically its just saying im not a team player.....that guy is what i like to call.......the best loser golf clap 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 38	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:19:00 - [24] - Quote Because I have too much fun chasing the gun fights and not enough patience to wait for the 'ideal' kills, lol Really though, like already stated, I think most of us care a little, and I really mean 'little'. It's only one stat on a game that gives benefits based on multiple stats. WP, W/L, Damage dealt/received, healing given/received, kill assists, etc. I once got hate mail because I went 2/20, but I had 12 assists. That means I at least contributed to my team, even if I wasn't a Super Slayer. KDR is overrated in this game, and not every role should be defined by the same stat.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4516	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:27:00 - [25] - Quote Because KDR sh*tbags think they are the only ones the devs should listen to because they are the "good" players and will vocally say that they are the only voice that matters. It's another reason to act entitled and be a douche. Screw your KDR, I killed your tank. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Michael Arck 5987	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:31:00 - [26] - Quote Simply because Dust is much more than a KDR stat game. In COD or BF, I can see where those stats are highly important. In Dust, it means nothing. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1410	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:40:00 - [27] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: After reading a bunch of posts about people complaining that they cannot revive every downed clone they see I noticed a lot of people bitching about those who care what their KDR is. I honestly can't understand why anyone would not care in anyway what their KDR is. I care about my KDR because I use it as one of several means to develop an idea of how well I am doing when I face the competition and how well I am improving. Though my KDR was completely jacked when I first started playing I have been able to bring it back up by trying to become a better player. If you are one of those people who truly don't give a crap what your KDR is, or any of your stats for that matter, please let me know why. I would like to try to make sense of this viewpoint. Down here in the dust, what's the point? KDR doesn't benefit you one way or the other. Not to mention guns that don't fire, hit boxes that barely meet the definition, terrain glitches, shield glitches, server lag, the Merc you got in a gun fight with was closer to the server (you think), latency, KB/M vs DS3 and that perfect streak you had going was stopped by getting dc'd from PSN (nobody's fault, router reset). Of course the best is when you all finally log in again and the game has completely changed again. Dust is for playing with friends for me. I don't have any other reason to log in. That and all the CoD and BF* kiddies are tiresome. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4434	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:43:00 - [28] - Quote Because logistics. And having fun, FFS... God forbid I enjoy myself! And CQC mass drivers and lolfits and suicide RE runs and jumping out of dropships into the middle of the enemy guns blazing because it's awesome *Plus, the size of my actual peen (apeen?) and hot wife make me not give two fcks about you neckbeards and/or other assorted virgins and your useless video game stats** Honestly, if you obsess about your "stats" in a video game to the point it makes you play a different way than what is most fun to you, then you are doing it wrong. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:44:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's a game. And KDR is an easily manipulated stat, particularly if you seek out game imbalances, and play into them. Caring about your KDR, especially in a game with no real competitive scene, kind of makes you look like a tool. Every match of this game you play your objective is to win the match and rank high on the leaderboard. How is that not a real competitive scene? Also, you seem to be confusing someone caring about their KDR so that it can be used to make an assessment about something with someone caring about their KDR so they can brag about it to people. If you view and use the KDR with its intended purpose of being measured you wouldn't manipulate it.
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 4	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:04:00 - [30] - Quote Some of you people have some decent responses but some of you people seem to be extremely simple-minded and possibly suffer from self-esteem issues.



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